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Title: Killtown: Why Use Real Planes?
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpkqomUc7Xs&feature=related
Published: Jun 5, 2008
Author: Posted by WelcomeToKilltown
Post Date: 2010-09-01 05:34:12 by GreyLmist
Ping List: *9-11*     Subscribe to *9-11*
Keywords: 9/11, CGI, No Planes
Views: 2265
Comments: 37

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WelcomeToKilltown | June 05, 2008

The military talked about using TV fakery since 1995. Digitally altering live TV broadcasts has been feasible since 1998. Since 2000, the media has been warning the public about the news and military using TV fakery.

See also:

"Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC"
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/05/...

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Excerpt from the recommended article linked above, "Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC": they would still run the risk of not being able to pull the Twin Towers and WTC 7 if any of the two planes didn't crash the exact way they needed them to crash (i.e. penetrate all the way through so they blow up in the insides of both buildings) and that is something the perps could not afford to chance since collapsing the WTC 1, 2, and 7 was arguably the cornerstones of their diabolical plan.

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FAQ

Comment at YouTube site and reply:

agat0r
1 year ago

here's my question: After the first tower was struck, didn't we have about a billion video recorders turned onŒ79; to record the second plane striking the building? They can't ALL BE FAKES, can they?

WelcomeToKilltown
1 year ago

We've only found about 44 videos of the 2nd hit. Far cryŒ79; from a 'billion.'

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-01   7:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The military talked about using TV fakery since 1995. Digitally altering live TV broadcasts has been feasible since 1998. Since 2000, the media has been warning the public about the news and military using TV fakery.

I completely agree with this statement....after all Project Bluebeam is a reality.

But I just don't believe that the technology is advenced enough at this point to be able to fool the 1000's of eyewitnesses.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2010-09-01   8:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi everybody. Matt here. First post, a link to all the plane videos:

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html

I put this site together as an investigation into TV fakery.

I even tried to explain the engine debris with a cannon theory:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/1930887/1

Hope that helps.

911conspiracyTV  posted on  2010-09-01   8:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But I just don't believe that the technology is advenced enough at this point to be able to fool the 1000's of eyewitnesses.

I disagree. However, I bet the perps were more comfortable with remote control technology than they were with all the variables in a no plane attack.

911conspiracyTV  posted on  2010-09-01   8:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hi matt, welcome. your site has been showing a message that the bandwidth was exceeded for the past 3 days. glad to see it's back up. i'm looking forward to your participation here.

christine  posted on  2010-09-01   10:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Welcome.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   10:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Always good to see you posting here, Bill. It wish you'd visit more often.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   10:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"No Planes"! Get your "No Planes" here! Get 'em while they're hot!

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   10:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

btw, nice job on the video compilations.

christine  posted on  2010-09-01   10:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

note to self.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-09-01   10:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   11:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What's wrong with this picture?

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   11:07:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I put this site together as an investigation into TV fakery.

Welcome, Baghdad_Bob! We are going to have a lot of fun!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-01   11:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-01   11:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-01   12:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No damage to the building. The plane entered the building like a hot knife cutting through butter. Problem is, it's not a hot knife and the building isn't butter.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   13:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   13:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-01   15:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-01   15:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-01   15:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No damage to the building. The plane entered the building like a hot knife cutting through butter. Problem is, it's not a hot knife and the building isn't butter.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   23:45:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you know where that "no exit wound" pic is too?

Edit: Here's a bigger one...

Note: no f***in hole...

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   23:50:14 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WHY THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   23:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Because big jets were there, then people must have seen them - because people saw them, that proves they were there."

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-01   23:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hello.... Hello.... Hello.... Hello.... Hello.... Hello.... Hello....

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-02   4:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-02   7:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hello.... Hello.... Hello.... Hello.... Hello

Echoes pt 3 - David Gilmour and Rick Wright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslDnId25w0

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-02   17:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi Matt. Welcome.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-09-02   17:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi everybody. Matt here. First post, a link to all the plane videos:

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_ hit.html

I put this site together as an investigation into TV fakery.

I even tried to explain the engine debris with a cannon theory:

http://s1.zetaboards.c om/pumpitout/topic/1930887/1

Hope that helps.

Hello, Matt. Thanks for joining us here. :) Greatly helpful site you put together and interesting cannon theory. I activated the links so they are easier for readers to access. I especially appreciated your research on the "Smoke & Mirrors" video at your site, which wasn't aired on 9/11 or near that date but seems to have been created for a more dark effect -- maybe to "sell" the Iraq War. Edit to reword: I'm not clear if the 2003 PBS documentary, "New York Center of the World", that it was in ever appeared on Public or national TV outside of Detroit or it didn't. Would like to hear more on that if there's anything else you've learned about it.

9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors (short version) - 4 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=DkzfKRe0gbc

Elpiper | June 02, 2008

A shorter version of my 10-minute video "Smoke & Mirrors" (watch?v=SS0dNaseISM) exposing the method used by the media to fake the plume of smoke seen on some of the 9/11 footage.

The particular clip analyzed in this video was found on the 9/11 website terrorize.dk (now gone) back in early 2004 and has not been altered by the video-maker in any way.

9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors - long version, 10 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=SS0dNaseISM

Elpiper | May 31, 2008

Exposing the method used by the media to fake the plume of smoke seen on some of the 9/11 footage.

The particular clip analyzed in this video was found on the 9/11 website terrorize.dk (now gone) back in early 2004 and has not been altered by the video-maker in any way.

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911CTV Analysis @ YouTube:

RE: 9/11 TV Fakery Smoke and Mirrors by elpiper
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=YVAzASfZmiU

911CTV | March 25, 2009

The smoke is real... The editing was done long after 9/11, people! NOT 9/11 TV FAKERY, but video fakery... It was done to get a clip of the 2nd plane for a documentary....

The Detroit Public TV shot (which comes from the 2003 PBS documentary "New York Center of the World") was a crop of the CBS 9:22 am shot. The terrorize.dk mirrored smoke fake is the same crop, its left edge matching with the line in the smoke where the repeating smoke starts and the picture was widened. Yet this crop was from that same angle shown 17 minutes earlier on CBS... when the last part of the plane approach is shown.

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Excerpt from analysis @ http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html#CBS-3, for: 8. CBS-3

See "RE: 9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors by Elpiper" for a study of a similar fake of unknown origin, also made available at terrorize.dk (see 3rd photo at left). These two examples of video editing are not examples of a conspiracy within the mass media - "9/11 TV fakery" - because the video wasn't part of a TV broadcast until the PBS documentary aired 2 years later.

The camera location: General Motors Building, aka FAO Schwartz, E 58th St at Madison Ave... 215 meters tall on ground elevated at 48 feet above sea level Lat 40.763595 Lon -73.972781 (Thanks, YougeneDebs)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-02   18:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WHY THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES

Alternate path for the 911closeup.com article:

WHY THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES
http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=71

Recommending this article there also:

What Witnesses?
http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=84

And this one from '02, also by Gerard Holmgren, "Did F77 hit the Pentagon? Eyewitness accounts examined." at: http://bogusstory.com/con fl ictingwitnesses.html

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-02   19:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No damage to the building. The plane entered the building like a hot knife cutting through butter. Problem is, it's not a hot knife and the building isn't butter.

Theory of Ghostplane [my note: CGI FX - How it's done]
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=QNXmgF2yAEc&feature=fvw

Lets create a fake plane! [my note: looks like same video, different title and poster]
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ibtV8yITqa4&feature=related

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-02   19:14:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Really good to have you on board.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-02   19:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Really good to have you on board.

Thank you, wud. Same to you. :)

Does this seem like more Russians in the area than might ordinarily be expected? It does to me:

From your post at #11:

How NOT to Fake Plane Crash Videos - TinaCart1 - Russian pilot @ 3:15- 3:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=gmjjK2MYKDg&feature=related

From 4um thread: Find the Hidden Debris Pile 9/11 Ground Zero Footage - @ 2:57 Russian-speaking Ground Zero searcher

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-02   20:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Does this seem like more Russians in the area than might ordinarily be expected? It does to me:

Maybe, not sure why there would or would not be except that the Russians couldn't be tracked down later to interview.

I like this video here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtV8yITqa4

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-02   20:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It just gets weirder and weirder....

wudidiz  posted on  2010-09-02   21:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Found some interesting info on the Russian pilot at Matt's 911conspiracy.tv site [scroll down a bit when at the page for it linked below] and more at the YouTube site linked for YougeneDebs' research on the Russian's pics [suggest turning volume way down there -- almost off].

http://www.911conspiracy.tv /2 nd_hit.html#FOX5 - Excerpt from 10. FOX5:

Similar to the WNYW FOX5 LIVE shot, a speedy object flies at the same level as 175, but from the North, just after the impact. Research has shown this vehicle to be the Russian photographer/pilot in a Cessna 172SP, who captured the impact (not the plane) on film while flying down the Hudson.

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2 short excerpts from Russian photographer/pilot in a Cessna 172SP:

See the Loose Change Forums thread where Yuri is named as the photographer. [my note: Yury Faktorovich]

To investigate speeds and distances involved in Yuri's flight, see the study by YougeneDebs. Plus, here are Debs's coordinates for the flying Russian: "High above, near the Hoboken PATH Station 40d 44m 03.67s N, 74d 01m 21.75s W. Altitude of Yury's Cessna is about 750 feet."

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Short excerpt from the pulldown description notes at YougeneDebs' study of "THE RUSSIAN PIX! Part Three", bolded by me:

Given that the maximum speed of
a Cessna 172SP is 145mph and a
tailwind of 15mph for the stretch
down the Hudson River, Yury flew
at 160mph for Pic2 through Pic10.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-03   4:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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