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Title: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
Source: Reuters
URL Source: [None]
Published: Sep 2, 2010
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2010-09-02 21:17:00 by Flintlock
Keywords: ODIN!!!, Hey-Sus, AL-LA, Big Guy On A Throne With A Bea
Views: 8075
Comments: 141

LONDON (Reuters) – God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.

In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.

Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.

His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.

He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God."

In his latest book, he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God.

"That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.

Hawking, who is only able to speak through a computer-generated voice synthesizer, has a neuro muscular dystrophy that has progressed over the years and left him almost completely paralyzed.

He began suffering the disease in his early 20s but went on to establish himself as one of the world's leading scientific authorities, and has also made guest appearances in "Star Trek" and the cartoons "Futurama" and "The Simpsons."

Last year he announced he was stepping down as Cambridge University's Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, a position once held by Newton and one he had held since 1979.

"The Grand Design" is due to go on sale next week.

(Editing by Steve Addison)


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But, But, BUT!!! What about Hey-Sus?

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#26. To: Flintlock (#0)

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.

Seems like Hawking's ego has overtaken his intelligence. NOBODY can say with any degree of certainty what existed prior to the creation of our universe, or the grand scheme of things beyond our understanding. Unless Hawking was around prior to the creation of THIS universe, he's just guessing, and has no logical or rational reason to claim he KNOWS that the universe can "create itself from nothing".

One question I'd have for him would be, what IS gravity? Is Hawking saying that just because there is such a thing as gravity, there can't be a superior intelligence that exists beyond his own human mind?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-09-02   22:20:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#26)

NOBODY can say with any degree of certainty what existed prior to the creation of our universe, or the grand scheme of things beyond our understanding. Unless Hawking was around prior to the creation of THIS universe, he's just guessing, and has no logical or rational reason to claim he KNOWS that the universe can "create itself from nothing".

Well.... in a nutshell, Hawking considers the creation of the universe (big bang style) to be not just the creation of all matter, but of time itself. This is in line Einstein's theory of relativity which says that space and time are intimately connected, such that you cannot have one without the other. Ergo, Hawking compares questions about time before the big bang with the metaphor of what is north of the north pole? Just as it makes no sense to ask what is north of the north pole, it's also makes no sense to ask what happened before the big bang, since time did not exist "until" the big bang.

Many Christians have no trouble with the concept of God creating the universe, but I think few have wondered if God might have also created time itself. I suspect most have always assumed that God is subject to time just as all of us are.

One question I'd have for him would be, what IS gravity? Is Hawking saying that just because there is such a thing as gravity, there can't be a superior intelligence that exists beyond his own human mind?

As I posted above, I think the title of this thread incorrectly claims Hawking is an athiest. As far as I know, Hawking is an agnostic. I think any true scientist would never be an athiest, as proving God's non-existence will never happen. Can't prove a negative.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-09-02   22:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Pinguinite (#52)

Can't prove a negative.

Yes you can. Quite easily.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-02   22:43:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Yes you can. Quite easily.

If you can "prove a negative" and "quite easily," prove to us that you don't kick your dog, beat your wife and children and that you are not a transvestite hooker. Not saying you are any of those things but I would like to see how you can "prove" that you are not. And just saying you're not or other people saying you're not is not proof.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-09-03   9:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: James Deffenbach (#115)

I'll do something more simple for you.

Someone says I was robbing Burger King last night an 10pm.

I can prove that it is not true because I was videotaped checking out at walmart at 10pm.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-04   21:20:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: A K A Stone (#135)

Oh, but you seem to misunderstand. That is not proving a negative but a positive. And it doesn't touch what I "accused" you of--and no, I don't think you are guilty of any of that but you can't prove you are not. For instance, and again this is just an example, I accuse you of beating your wife. Can you prove you never have? Not without a video camera recording every interaction you have ever had with her. And even if you did I could come back with something like "What about all those times you turned it off before you beat her?" Or I could say that you kick your dog. Can you prove you don't? No. That is what I meant by no one can prove a negative. At least I have never heard of anyone doing so and have yet to see an example of it.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-09-04   21:25:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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