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Title: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
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Published: Sep 2, 2010
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2010-09-02 21:17:00 by Flintlock
Keywords: ODIN!!!, Hey-Sus, AL-LA, Big Guy On A Throne With A Bea
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LONDON (Reuters) – God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book. In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday. "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes. "It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going." Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity. Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles. His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang. He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God." In his latest book, he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes. Hawking, who is only able to speak through a computer-generated voice synthesizer, has a neuro muscular dystrophy that has progressed over the years and left him almost completely paralyzed. He began suffering the disease in his early 20s but went on to establish himself as one of the world's leading scientific authorities, and has also made guest appearances in "Star Trek" and the cartoons "Futurama" and "The Simpsons." Last year he announced he was stepping down as Cambridge University's Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, a position once held by Newton and one he had held since 1979. "The Grand Design" is due to go on sale next week. (Editing by Steve Addison)
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#78. To: christine (#67)
Uuuhhhggg.........here is a cas in point: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is ALLEGED to have an IQ of 180.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And that is why he not only looks like a retard but his mind is that of one. Also, his book was out of date when it came out. It was always lacking.
Cripes, I wonder where he found the space to do that. That must've been one hell of a shop.
Tell Tull to reactivate my account at 4um. I've been banned for months now and I want to chat with my old buddy critter. I won't beg to be let back on. My banning was a travesty and I think even you know that. I'll check my 4um account tomorrow. Thanks big shot, I know you've got the pull. "Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara Fred Mertz posted on 2010-09-02 23:04:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit
That's an excellent question, Stone, and I don't think anyone, including Hawking, is claiming to know the answer. Right now cosmologists think they have things figured out back to a few fractions of a second after the bang occurred. Knowing what happened at the instant of it is still beyond theory, much less what made it happen.
Wow that sure blows aka mallethead's 175 out of the water. Dopey ol' Hawking's on the bottom of the totem pole.
Depicting female rape is lurid entertainment. "It's essential to the story line!" we're told. Depicting male rape oughta be against the law because as we macho sumbitches learned from DELIVERANCE there's nothing stimulating about it. "Boy, yew shore gotta purty mouth!" Ugh.
I think the "chosen" get graded on a curve of at least 50 points not allotted to the goy.........or they get the answers sent via God fax prior to taking the test. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I don't know what Fred did, but I do miss seeing baldy around here. Please reconsider his banning.
#79. To: Pinguinite (#77)
he's saying that God is not the only possible explanation for the creation of the universe which is different.
#80. To: Samuel Gray (#75)
Pierre-Simon Laplace built a working model of the universe...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#81. To: Christine, Jethro Tull, critter (#80)
#82. To: A K A Stone (#54)
Now imagine that everything in the universe came from, not that grain of sand, but something smaller but not something smaller, rather something that did not exist. If gravity, a physical property, where so great as to keep all non existent matter held together, then what was it that caused gravity to be overwhelmed with such force as to allow the Big Bang to occur.
#83. To: abraxas (#78)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is ALLEGED to have an IQ of 180.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#84. To: christine (#76)
yes, good film, but that scene was disturbing to say the least.
#85. To: Esso (#83)
#86. To: A K A Stone, Christine (#81)
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#87. To: Pinguinite (#82)
Or if it happened. Also just to make it double clear. That wasn't my question. I agree it was a good question. But it came from the comments on a thread about this article at the source as found on my page.
, much less what made it happen.
#88. To: wudidiz (#55)
He's saying that a divine creator is not the only explanation we have for the creation of the universe. It's much like coming across a pile of stones on a path. You may suspect it placed there by a person, but there may be non-human explanations for the pile as well. That is Hawking's position on the universe creation. He has never said definitively that God doesn't exist, so far as I know. I agree 100%, but I think Hawking's says that the "multiverse" may have millions of big bangs, each with a unique, random set of laws like gravity, physics, chemistry, quantum laws, speed of light, etc, and the vast majority of them just failed. But the one we're in just happened to have the right recipe of laws for everything to co-exist in a stable state and for life to arise. I should repeat again the program I saw of his not too long ago was a bit depressing. For me, something about it just wasn't right.
Is Hawking saying there is no God or just that God didn't necessarily create the Universe.
God could be the Creator of the laws that facilitate the creation of the Universe.
#89. To: Critter (#86)
Hey critter I think you are ok too. Even if we do scrap at times. Genuinely hope your tire business is doing good for you.
#90. To: A K A Stone (#89)
It's going well beyond my wildest expectations. Thanks. You're not too bad either... for a rapture monkey. :p
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#91. To: abraxas (#8)
Which test exactly? My IQ is kinda high. I'd be interested in hearing which scale he was measured against. If I were born nearly helpless but sharp as a tack, I'd have a grudge as well. That grudge would transcend intellect, at least in cases like his. Our intellect does not rise above our sense of justice.
His IQ is 160........perhaps you should refrain from betting.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#92. To: SonOfLiberty (#91)
He wasn't born helpless. His disease didn't appear until around the time he started his doctoral program, which he almost quit, thinking he had only a short time to live.
#93. To: christine (#67)
I think attempts to map the complexities of the human brain on a one-dimensional tape-measure like scale is really a primitive way of measuring it. Every mind can excel in a multitude of ways. IQ, EQ... I'm sure there's a bunch of other Q's that can be created.
i think a high IQ in many cases is overrated. EQ is much more important in terms of relationship success. i know a number of high IQers who possess little common sense and with low sociability.
#94. To: SonOfLiberty (#91)
The scores I noted are from the MENSA testing, which is geared toward spacial relations to a great extent. However, in regards to Hawkins he has never actually stated a score and the score is alleged based on analysis of his intellect.
Which test exactly?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#95. To: abraxas (#94)
Thank you. I wonder about that sometimes. But ocasionally more than anything. Again, thanks for the answers.
The scores I noted are from the MENSA testing, which is geared toward spacial relations to a great extent.
However, in regards to Hawkins he has never actually stated a score and the score is alleged based on analysis of his intellect.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#96. To: A K A Stone (#81)
tell Fred he's reinstated.
#97. To: Pinguinite (#93)
Every mind can excel in a multitude of ways. IQ, EQ... I'm sure there's a bunch of other Q's that can be created. i agree. idiot savant comes to mind.
I think attempts to map the complexities of the human brain on a one-dimensional tape-measure like scale is really a primitive way of measuring it.
#98. To: SonOfLiberty (#95)
They go back and tally a score for everybody who did something astounding. They give Newton a 190 and Da Vinci a 185 and Einstein a 160. Of course, my personal favorite, Tesla, is omitted again.
I wonder about that sometimes.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#99. To: Flintlock (#0)
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes. Redundancy does not make one or the other mechanism void. It means that one was not needed. As example, I can splash my foot in a pond and create waves, or the wind can do it. The wind blowing does not negate my foot, nor does my foot negate the wind.
In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#100. To: christine, critter (#96)
Thank you very much Christine. Hi Hairy One! aka critter.
#101. To: Fred Mertz (#100)
you're welcome, Fred. bygones. ;)
#102. To: HOUNDDAWG (#84)
seriously, that was gross. realistic though.
Boy, yew shore gotta purty mouth!"
#103. To: abraxas (#98) (Edited)
On what scale through? Their own? Heh. My original question stands. For Teraman I'm 140+. On a modern scale I'm ~188 at last testing, several years ago without experience. Where is Hawking? Often wondered that. Tesla was clearly more intelligent than anybody here, I do wonder where he'd fall?
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#104. To: Fred Mertz (#100)
hey baldy!
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#105. To: abraxas (#98)
I think Einstein's intellect out performs Hawking's. What Einstein considered his biggest blunder was actually discovered to be on target some 50 years after he died. Tesla deserves a 2 season, weekly 1-hour show on the Discovery channel on his exploits. And while Einstein, Hawking and Newton did pure theory, Tesla actually built stuff he theorized about.
They give Newton a 190 and Da Vinci a 185 and Einstein a 160.
Of course, my personal favorite, Tesla, is omitted again.
#106. To: christine (#102)
Before that I couldn't picture a scenario where I'd have been thrilled to see someone drilled with a broadhead. And, Burt & Co. got away with killing the mutants and they didn't have to explain it to the local sheriff! A double victory!
seriously, that was gross. realistic though.
#107. To: Pinguinite (#5)
Correct. However, Hawking does leave an interesting theological question open. If the Universe decided to spontaneously create itself, could not the concept of God simply be expanded to encompass all? The universe itself is the Grand Creator which would explain a great many other religions.
a grand omnipotent creator isn't necessarily required to explain the existence of the universe and all that's in it
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
#108. To: Pinguinite, abraxas (#88)
I like your answers, thank you.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#109. To: Fred Mertz (#100)
Welcome back.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#110. To: Flintlock (#0)
All Christians know that God hates cripples. God makes people cripple to punish them for their sins. The smart ones repent and will be cured by God. The stupid ones will stay cripple. And the really really retarded ones end up like Steven Hawking. No matter how much proof is provided for God's might, he keeps saying very stupid things. "Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?" (Exodus 4:11)
#111. To: Max (#110)
Are you kidding?
All Christians know that God hates cripples. God makes people cripple to punish them for their sins.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#112. To: Max (#110)
I think some reincarnation faiths do suggest such is "punishment" of sorts for sins in a past life.
God makes people cripple to punish them for their sins.
#113. To: Flintlock (#0)
This makes no sense. How can there be a law of gravity before creation when there was no matter or space for the matter to warp? Gravity is a warping of space caused by matter. scienceworld.wolfram.com/...cs/GeneralRelativity.html I don't know what this person is thinking. .
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#114. To: wudidiz (#111)
Thank you. Good to see you again too.
#115. To: A K A Stone (#56)
If you can "prove a negative" and "quite easily," prove to us that you don't kick your dog, beat your wife and children and that you are not a transvestite hooker. Not saying you are any of those things but I would like to see how you can "prove" that you are not. And just saying you're not or other people saying you're not is not proof.
Yes you can. Quite easily.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
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#116. To: PSUSA (#113)
. He (Hawking) doesn't either.
I don't know what this person is thinking.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#117. To: James Deffenbach (#116)
Either that or the article is too simplistic to relay what it is that he really said. Or it's intentional spin. Or maybe both. Anyone someone tells me that 2+2=234,323,765. he has some explaining to do. .
He (Hawking) doesn't either.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#118. To: wudidiz (#55)
another possibility is that the universe IS 'god', etc. just another part of the Singularity.
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