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Title: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
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Published: Sep 2, 2010
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2010-09-02 21:17:00 by Flintlock
Keywords: ODIN!!!, Hey-Sus, AL-LA, Big Guy On A Throne With A Bea
Views: 7971
Comments: 141
LONDON (Reuters) – God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book. In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday. "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes. "It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going." Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity. Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles. His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang. He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God." In his latest book, he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes. Hawking, who is only able to speak through a computer-generated voice synthesizer, has a neuro muscular dystrophy that has progressed over the years and left him almost completely paralyzed. He began suffering the disease in his early 20s but went on to establish himself as one of the world's leading scientific authorities, and has also made guest appearances in "Star Trek" and the cartoons "Futurama" and "The Simpsons." Last year he announced he was stepping down as Cambridge University's Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, a position once held by Newton and one he had held since 1979. "The Grand Design" is due to go on sale next week. (Editing by Steve Addison)
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#1. To: Flintlock (#0)
Eek! You blasfeemer you! Jeebus is gonna SMIGHT thee! [/fizzy-foam]
AHHHH!!!!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
God created the universe, but man does not care or pay any attention to God, so why does it matter.
Prove it. My money's on IQ 300+ Hawking
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I recently saw a program with him discussing this issue, and I don't think he's actually proclaiming agnosticism. In the program I saw, he was simply arguing that a grand omnipotent creator isn't necessarily required to explain the existence of the universe and all that's in it. In which case he's simply leaving the door open for spontaneous, non-divine creation. I would add it was a bit of a depressing 1-hour program.
PS, Who what is "gawd" to you?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Which is beyond the comprehension of most but that does not make it impossible.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
His IQ is 160........perhaps you should refrain from betting.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
He's a fucking retard.
God is an LSD hallucination.
The condition of mental retardation is defined as "below average level of intellectual functioning, usually defined by an IQ of below 70 to 75, combined with limitations in the skills necessary for daily living." He may be many things, but retarded isn't one of them.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
According to who?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
How can that be? The average IQ* of posters on the internet is 175. *Claimed.
You're still a prime example that the problem with Christyinsanity is that the majority of it's adherents are idiots.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Is there not sufficient idiocy at your little digital shithole that you must come peddle your crap over here? You're so stupid, I don't know how you manage metabolism, let alone speech. That little cadre of misfits, sociopaths, troglodytes and assorted other deviants you give voice to at Liberty's Shame couldn't muster double digit IQs if you spotted them twenty points.
It doesn't matter how high his IQ is, he's a very foolish man.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Well, I don't think God's existence will ever be scientifically disproven. Most negatives are scientifically impossible to prove. But what Hawking's does not attempt to explain in any of his programs or writings I've seen is why we each have a conscience. The old "I think, therefore I am" type philosophy has yet to be addressed by quantum mechanics or any other branch of science as far as I know. Granted that's likely not Hawking's area of expertise but any But I think there are enough supernatural incidences that have occurred to support the notion that the universe is more than what we physically observe, including what Hawking's has so far delved into. ...edit fix...
Any standard anlysis of the mean deviation amongst the humble masses and the intellectual capabilities noted by Hawkings. Nobody IS or EVER has been 300. According to Hawkings, "People who boast their IQ scores are losers". However, he admits that his IQ is very high. Bill Gates and Bill Clinton are both supposedly 160, so that should tell you something about IQ scores. Einstein was also rated at 160. Anything 140 or above is genius and 130-139 is gifted. Physicist / Engineer Kim Ung-yong has a verified IQ of 210, which is the highest ever recorded. In fact, he is the only one to pass 200.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
lol......you are on a roll today Esso. I'm still laughing about your Milf Tits Lincoln comment. ; )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Stephen Hawking is a remarkable guy, IMO. His physical condition is very destructive, and yet his mind is still more academically capable than most anyone else's. Normally, when the body degrades, the mind can soon follow. I could certainly see room for some bias on Hawking's part, given that he's been basically cheated of a life of physical ability. That can certainly be a reason for him to personally not believe in God. For me, "foolish" is not an appropriate description of Hawking.
All highly intelligent creatures are "self aware". IMO it's a function of evolution, not divine "spark". I couldn't agree more. Even though we think we're highly advanced, (again IMHO) our comprehension of the universe is rudimentary. 100 years from now people will look upon us the same way we look at cavemen. We haven't even scratched the surface, yet many think they have everything all figured out.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
You are a prime example of what is wrong with America. If you didn't exist the country would be a better place.
The Bible says that those who don't believe in God are fools. I believe the Bible.
I wonder if these two self-important fools ever considered science as the means and not the reason?
You still pissed I wont let you join up. Piss off cockroach.
Seems like Hawking's ego has overtaken his intelligence. NOBODY can say with any degree of certainty what existed prior to the creation of our universe, or the grand scheme of things beyond our understanding. Unless Hawking was around prior to the creation of THIS universe, he's just guessing, and has no logical or rational reason to claim he KNOWS that the universe can "create itself from nothing". One question I'd have for him would be, what IS gravity? Is Hawking saying that just because there is such a thing as gravity, there can't be a superior intelligence that exists beyond his own human mind?
But, despite your sympathy for Hawking's physical condition, you seem to agree with him about the Universe and methods of creation. Are you saying, Hawking is a living GOD?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Nah, I told you my terms. No skin off my IP address. I check in now and then to see if Mike's goaded Mad Dog into revealing any more personal info and laugh at you and your ten regular posters. I told you from the git-go that my only desire to join was to ridicule your posters.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I'm a super genius.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#2. To: Esso (#1)
Eek! You blasfeemer you! J
#3. To: Flintlock (#0)
#4. To: octavia (#3)
(Edited)
God created the universe
#5. To: Flintlock (#0)
God did not create the universe, says Hawking
#6. To: octavia (#3)
but man does not care or pay any attention to God,
#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)
In which case he's simply leaving the door open for spontaneous, non-divine creation.
#8. To: Flintlock (#4)
My money's on IQ 300+ Hawnking
#9. To: abraxas (#8)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)
He's a fucking retard.
#12. To: abraxas (#8)
His IQ is 160........perhaps you should refrain from betting.
#13. To: abraxas (#8)
His IQ is 160...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#14. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#16. To: abraxas (#8)
(Edited)
His IQ is 160....
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#17. To: Flintlock (#7)
(Edited)
Which is beyond the comprehension of most but that does not make it impossible.
agnostic athiest needs to have a satisfied answer to that, I think.
#18. To: Flintlock (#12)
According to who?
#19. To: Esso (#13)
How can that be? The average IQ* of posters on the internet is 175.
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
It doesn't matter how his his IQ is, he's a very foolish man.
#21. To: Pinguinite (#17)
But what Hawking's does not attempt to explain in any of his programs or writings I've seen is why we each have a conscience. The old "I think, therefore I am" type philosophy has yet to be addressed by quantum mechanics or any other branch of science as far as I know. Granted that's likely not Hawking's area of expertise but any agnostic needs to have a satisfied answer to that, I think.
But I think there are enough supernatural incidences that have occurred to support the notion that the universe is more than what we physically observe, including what Hawking's has so far delved into.
#22. To: Flintlock (#14)
#23. To: Pinguinite (#20)
For me, "foolish" is not an appropriate description of Hawking.
#24. To: Flintlock (#0)
#25. To: Samuel Gray (#15)
#26. To: Flintlock (#0)
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: Pinguinite (#20)
I could certainly see room for some bias on Hawking's part, given that he's been basically cheated of a life of physical ability. That can certainly be a reason for him to personally not believe in God.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#25)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#23)
I believe the Bible.
You are uniquely pictured on the left, Beelzebub...
#30. To: abraxas (#18)
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#31. To: A K A Stone, Samuel Gray (#25)
Stone you goof. You want traffic? You want debate? SG would kick ass and take names. You goaded me into "debating" the subhumans on Flame and I accepted. You have a forum of hollow posters. I'm now asking you to put SG on full privilege and stand back. That's the least you can do.
You still pissed I wont let you join up. Piss off cockroach.
#32. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#23)
Believe this little quote: "Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Mathew, v, 22. Or, "If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise." Corinthians, iii, 18.
The Bible says that those who don't believe in God are fools. I believe the Bible.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#33. To: Samuel Gay (#28)
I told you from the beginning you are not welcome.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#22)
If you didn't exist the country would be a better place.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#35. To: A K A Stone (#33)
LOL. You sad, strange little man. If I wanted to bother with my email archive, I could expose you for the liar you really are.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)
You're afraid.
I told you from the beginning you are not welcome.
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
To be honest I don't pay much attention to Sam Gray. He just sent me an email one day wanting to join. He had a bunch of strange requests. He wasn't serious. No one is stopping him from signing up. But I'm not going to welcome someone who doesn't care for me.
#38. To: A K A Stone, Samuel Gray (#33)
Well, of course he isn't ... he would spit you out of your own website in a heartbeat.
I told you [Samuel Gray] from the beginning you are not welcome [LibertysFlame].
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#39. To: Pinguinite (#20)
I think it fits him perfectly. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Now this Hawkings guy would have you believe that he is brilliant and knows everything worth knowing. But you can take all his knowledge and add it to that of the rest of mankind and it would not equal that of the Creator. His thoughts are far above ours, even those of the man who said God wasn't necessary.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)
lol.......are you claiming all of your posters "care" for you. If so, you are kidding yourself. What does it matter anyway? Why are you being so thin skinned?
But I'm not going to welcome someone who doesn't care for me.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#41. To: abraxas (#32)
Indeed. Excellent post, abraxas.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#42. To: A K A Stone, Mudboy_Slim (#37)
Did you welcome Mudboy_Slim? And... as a just a point of curiousity... how does Mud care for you?
But I'm not going to welcome someone who doesn't care for me.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#43. To: Jethro Tull, AKA Stone (#36)
What's that smell? Did somebody pee his pants? lol
You're afraid.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#44. To: abraxas (#40)
Anyone can come and sign up and post. That doesn't mean I welcome it. There are about 5 over there I am real tempted to give the boot.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#37)
People here don't care for you, yet you have full privileges. Fredo Mertz has called you both an asshole and an idiot. What's that about? SG doesn't need to cuss and I'm sure he wouldn't. He'd tear your heart out in public and I sense you fear that.
But I'm not going to welcome someone who doesn't care for me.
#46. To: buckeroo (#42)
If it's something fucked up like the way Yunuchlown takes care of his wife (diapers, incontinence), there's not enough curiosity in the universe.
just a point of curiousity... how does Mud care for you?
#47. To: FormerLurker (#26)
Actually he does have both logical and rational reasons for his claims. The fact that you can't understand them is your problem not his. Our understanding of the universe is very incomplete. Feel free to use religion to fill in the blanks, it's been done before.
Unless Hawking was around prior to the creation of THIS universe, he's just guessing, and has no logical or rational reason to claim he KNOWS that the universe can "create itself from nothing".
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#48. To: buckeroo (#42)
I prefer Mud to you Buck. He has better manners then you do.
#49. To: Flintlock (#0)
I'll bet he believes aeroplanes made the WTC disintegrate too.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#50. To: buckeroo (#38)
That's not saying much, hell, it wouldn't even be much of a challenge for Trig Palin.
... he would spit you out of your own website in a heartbeat.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#51. To: A K A Stone (#48)
This is good news as I am not queer in any way ... exactly how does Mud open his silk kimono to you; I am sure the women on 4um want to learn how you connived Mud to lay with you?
I prefer Mud to you Buck.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#52. To: FormerLurker (#26)
Well.... in a nutshell, Hawking considers the creation of the universe (big bang style) to be not just the creation of all matter, but of time itself. This is in line Einstein's theory of relativity which says that space and time are intimately connected, such that you cannot have one without the other. Ergo, Hawking compares questions about time before the big bang with the metaphor of what is north of the north pole? Just as it makes no sense to ask what is north of the north pole, it's also makes no sense to ask what happened before the big bang, since time did not exist "until" the big bang. Many Christians have no trouble with the concept of God creating the universe, but I think few have wondered if God might have also created time itself. I suspect most have always assumed that God is subject to time just as all of us are. As I posted above, I think the title of this thread incorrectly claims Hawking is an athiest. As far as I know, Hawking is an agnostic. I think any true scientist would never be an athiest, as proving God's non-existence will never happen. Can't prove a negative.
NOBODY can say with any degree of certainty what existed prior to the creation of our universe, or the grand scheme of things beyond our understanding. Unless Hawking was around prior to the creation of THIS universe, he's just guessing, and has no logical or rational reason to claim he KNOWS that the universe can "create itself from nothing".
One question I'd have for him would be, what IS gravity? Is Hawking saying that just because there is such a thing as gravity, there can't be a superior intelligence that exists beyond his own human mind?
#53. To: A K A Stone (#44)
We both know you can't afford to lose five over there. Because I'm feeling generous, I'll throw you a bone. It's not meant to be a DICKTATERship, wherein you are the DICK and your posters are the TATERS. What is the purpose of you site anyway? To have posters "like" and "care" for you? Is your ego really that desperate and fragile? To paraphrase Tommy The Mad Artist: It is better to be hated for who or what you are, than loved for who or what you are not.
There are about 5 over there I am real tempted to give the boot.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#54. To: Flintlock (#47)
Hawkings theory is idiocy. These are not my words but a cut and paste of some comment made by some guy. But it hits the nail on the head. Next time you’re at the beach, pick up a grain of sand, look at it and then look all around you. Contemplate the universe and everything in it. Now imagine that everything in the universe came from, not that grain of sand, but something smaller but not something smaller, rather something that did not exist. If gravity, a physical property, where so great as to keep all non existent matter held together, then what was it that caused gravity to be overwhelmed with such force as to allow the Big Bang to occur.
#55. To: Pinguinite, gengis gandhi, Original_Intent, all (#17)
Is Hawking saying there is no God or just that God didn't necessarily create the Universe. God could be the Creator of the laws that facilitate the creation of the Universe.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#56. To: Pinguinite (#52)
Yes you can. Quite easily.
Can't prove a negative.
#57. To: A K A Stone (#54)
Put SG on full privilege, Stone. After all I told Fredo he could come back.
#58. To: abraxas (#53)
Care for me means not hostile to me. If you want to come and just attack me and not contribute. You are not welcome. You can still sign up and I wont stop you. But you will not receive a welcome.
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
He doesn't want to join up. If he does all he has to do is ask. Or just go sign up. Here is a little secret. Even people who don't put a valid email address. They all get elevated to full status. To be honest I don't know a lot of Sams positions. Except his fuck stone position.
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
I think someone killed the real Fred and took his account.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#58)
Stone, Fredo calls you a loon, an asshole and a s'bag. Banning SG while permitting those insults is absurd.
Care for me means not hostile to me.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#23)
The Bible says that those who don't believe in God are fools. I believe the Bible. I'm pretty sure Hawking is an agnostic, not an athiest. Athiests don't believe in God. Agnostics aren't sure one way or the other. But that probably still qualifies as a fool by your definition, and the Bible's.
#63. To: wudidiz (#55)
He says, "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes. Basically, he is saying that God isn't the reason for creation. Hence, he would then be demoted from Creator status. So, spontaneous is meant to supercede God.........but I think God could be spontaneous. : )
Is Hawking saying there is no God or just that God didn't necessarily create the Universe.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#64. To: gengis gandhi, (#47)
(((ping)))
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
lol I never banned SG. Fred is more like an interloper then a welcome guest right now.
#66. To: buckeroo (#27)
Uh..... did I say that??
Are you saying, Hawking is a living GOD?
#67. To: abraxas (#18)
i think a high IQ in many cases is overrated. EQ is much more important in terms of relationship success. i know a number of high IQers who possess little common sense and with low sociability.
#68. To: A K A Stone, Samuel Gray (#59)
In your dreams, JizzBelly.
I don't know a lot of Sams positions. Except his fuck stone position.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#69. To: Flintlock (#0)
But, But, BUT!!! What about Hey-Sus?
#70. To: Pinguinite (#66)
In a sense. Hawking is a mere mortal strapped on the planet in a wheelchair. And despite his pathetic wheelchair condition, he can't sanction how the universe was or is or shall be created no matter how intelligent he may appear... and this goes for ALL of us.
Uh..... did I say that??
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#71. To: buckeroo (#51) (Edited)
uh...no, we don't. i don't even want that visual in my head.
I am sure the women on 4um want to learn how you connived Mud to lay with you?
#72. To: A K A Stone (#58)
Nah, I don't want to come over, especially not if you are going to withhold the coveted welcome mat. If there is no tipper tape parade or cute little balloons and some cheering for me upon arrival, I shall not sign up. Beyond that, I can't promise to be good and contribute and not "attack" (whatever that means. lol You come over here and are hostile to posters on a regular basis. Does that mean that you don't shit in your own nest, but hold and purge on Christine's instead?
Care for me means not hostile to me.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#73. To: christine (#71)
Ever see Deliverance? i don't even want that visual image in my head.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#74. To: christine (#67)
I agree with each and every word on that post. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#75. To: Pinguinite (#62)
The terms 'atheist' and 'agnostic' often get interchanged. In truth, the position most fitting a scientist worth their three stripes and hood is that of agnostic, which simply means 'without knowledge', or colloquially, 'we don't know.' Even Richard Dawkins says there's "almost certainly" no god, not because there is any doubt of the matter on his part, but because a scientist should always allow room for new knowledge or discoveries that might illuminate or fortify an argument previously thought impossible or even absurd. What Hawking has said here is nothing new. Pierre-Simon Laplace built a working model of the universe and wrote a massive treatise on physics and mathematics, both of which he submitted to Napoleon for review. When Napoleon inquired as to the absence of god from the works, Laplace is said to have replied: "I had no need of that hypothesis" or "I did not need to make that assumption in order for it to work." Some translations even have it as "Sire, because it worked well enough without him." Do not multiply entities unnecessarily.
#76. To: buckeroo (#73)
yes, good film, but that scene was disturbing to say the least.
#77. To: James Deffenbach (#39)
That doesn't seem to be his character as I gathered it. I read his "A Brief History of Time" some years ago and it's already well outdated. He wrote that book before it was discovered (if it's true) that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. I remember distinctly his mentioning that if the big bang expanded at a rate the smallest fraction of speed less than what it was, gravity would have caused a recontraction. That is not accepted by any cosmosogist since it was discovered (?) that the universe expansion is accelerating in defiance of gravity, not slowing down. So he was wrong before and it's well documented. I've no reason to think him dishonest. Wrong is always possible, but that's not a crime. Agreed. But I don't think he's saying God is "not necessary" in the sense that we would be here today whether or not God is real. I think he's saying that God is not the only possible explanation for the creation of the universe which is different.
Now this Hawkings guy would have you believe that he is brilliant and knows everything worth knowing.
But you can take all his knowledge and add it to that of the rest of mankind and it would not equal that of the Creator. His thoughts are far above ours, even those of the man who said God wasn't necessary.
#78. To: christine (#67)
Uuuhhhggg.........here is a cas in point: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is ALLEGED to have an IQ of 180.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#79. To: Pinguinite (#77)
And that is why he not only looks like a retard but his mind is that of one. Also, his book was out of date when it came out. It was always lacking.
he's saying that God is not the only possible explanation for the creation of the universe which is different.
#80. To: Samuel Gray (#75)
Cripes, I wonder where he found the space to do that. That must've been one hell of a shop.
Pierre-Simon Laplace built a working model of the universe...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#81. To: Christine, Jethro Tull, critter (#80)
Tell Tull to reactivate my account at 4um. I've been banned for months now and I want to chat with my old buddy critter. I won't beg to be let back on. My banning was a travesty and I think even you know that. I'll check my 4um account tomorrow. Thanks big shot, I know you've got the pull. "Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Tull to Rotara Fred Mertz posted on 2010-09-02 23:04:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit
#82. To: A K A Stone (#54)
That's an excellent question, Stone, and I don't think anyone, including Hawking, is claiming to know the answer. Right now cosmologists think they have things figured out back to a few fractions of a second after the bang occurred. Knowing what happened at the instant of it is still beyond theory, much less what made it happen.
Now imagine that everything in the universe came from, not that grain of sand, but something smaller but not something smaller, rather something that did not exist. If gravity, a physical property, where so great as to keep all non existent matter held together, then what was it that caused gravity to be overwhelmed with such force as to allow the Big Bang to occur.
#83. To: abraxas (#78)
Wow that sure blows aka mallethead's 175 out of the water. Dopey ol' Hawking's on the bottom of the totem pole.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is ALLEGED to have an IQ of 180.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#84. To: christine (#76)
Depicting female rape is lurid entertainment. "It's essential to the story line!" we're told. Depicting male rape oughta be against the law because as we macho sumbitches learned from DELIVERANCE there's nothing stimulating about it. "Boy, yew shore gotta purty mouth!" Ugh.
yes, good film, but that scene was disturbing to say the least.
#85. To: Esso (#83)
I think the "chosen" get graded on a curve of at least 50 points not allotted to the goy.........or they get the answers sent via God fax prior to taking the test. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#86. To: A K A Stone, Christine (#81)
I don't know what Fred did, but I do miss seeing baldy around here. Please reconsider his banning.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#87. To: Pinguinite (#82)
Or if it happened. Also just to make it double clear. That wasn't my question. I agree it was a good question. But it came from the comments on a thread about this article at the source as found on my page.
, much less what made it happen.
#88. To: wudidiz (#55)
He's saying that a divine creator is not the only explanation we have for the creation of the universe. It's much like coming across a pile of stones on a path. You may suspect it placed there by a person, but there may be non-human explanations for the pile as well. That is Hawking's position on the universe creation. He has never said definitively that God doesn't exist, so far as I know. I agree 100%, but I think Hawking's says that the "multiverse" may have millions of big bangs, each with a unique, random set of laws like gravity, physics, chemistry, quantum laws, speed of light, etc, and the vast majority of them just failed. But the one we're in just happened to have the right recipe of laws for everything to co-exist in a stable state and for life to arise. I should repeat again the program I saw of his not too long ago was a bit depressing. For me, something about it just wasn't right.
Is Hawking saying there is no God or just that God didn't necessarily create the Universe.
God could be the Creator of the laws that facilitate the creation of the Universe.
#89. To: Critter (#86)
Hey critter I think you are ok too. Even if we do scrap at times. Genuinely hope your tire business is doing good for you.
#90. To: A K A Stone (#89)
It's going well beyond my wildest expectations. Thanks. You're not too bad either... for a rapture monkey. :p
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#91. To: abraxas (#8)
Which test exactly? My IQ is kinda high. I'd be interested in hearing which scale he was measured against. If I were born nearly helpless but sharp as a tack, I'd have a grudge as well. That grudge would transcend intellect, at least in cases like his. Our intellect does not rise above our sense of justice.
His IQ is 160........perhaps you should refrain from betting.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#92. To: SonOfLiberty (#91)
He wasn't born helpless. His disease didn't appear until around the time he started his doctoral program, which he almost quit, thinking he had only a short time to live.
#93. To: christine (#67)
I think attempts to map the complexities of the human brain on a one-dimensional tape-measure like scale is really a primitive way of measuring it. Every mind can excel in a multitude of ways. IQ, EQ... I'm sure there's a bunch of other Q's that can be created.
i think a high IQ in many cases is overrated. EQ is much more important in terms of relationship success. i know a number of high IQers who possess little common sense and with low sociability.
#94. To: SonOfLiberty (#91)
The scores I noted are from the MENSA testing, which is geared toward spacial relations to a great extent. However, in regards to Hawkins he has never actually stated a score and the score is alleged based on analysis of his intellect.
Which test exactly?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#95. To: abraxas (#94)
Thank you. I wonder about that sometimes. But ocasionally more than anything. Again, thanks for the answers.
The scores I noted are from the MENSA testing, which is geared toward spacial relations to a great extent.
However, in regards to Hawkins he has never actually stated a score and the score is alleged based on analysis of his intellect.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#96. To: A K A Stone (#81)
tell Fred he's reinstated.
#97. To: Pinguinite (#93)
Every mind can excel in a multitude of ways. IQ, EQ... I'm sure there's a bunch of other Q's that can be created. i agree. idiot savant comes to mind.
I think attempts to map the complexities of the human brain on a one-dimensional tape-measure like scale is really a primitive way of measuring it.
#98. To: SonOfLiberty (#95)
They go back and tally a score for everybody who did something astounding. They give Newton a 190 and Da Vinci a 185 and Einstein a 160. Of course, my personal favorite, Tesla, is omitted again.
I wonder about that sometimes.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#99. To: Flintlock (#0)
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes. Redundancy does not make one or the other mechanism void. It means that one was not needed. As example, I can splash my foot in a pond and create waves, or the wind can do it. The wind blowing does not negate my foot, nor does my foot negate the wind.
In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#100. To: christine, critter (#96)
Thank you very much Christine. Hi Hairy One! aka critter.
#101. To: Fred Mertz (#100)
you're welcome, Fred. bygones. ;)
#102. To: HOUNDDAWG (#84)
seriously, that was gross. realistic though.
Boy, yew shore gotta purty mouth!"
#103. To: abraxas (#98) (Edited)
On what scale through? Their own? Heh. My original question stands. For Teraman I'm 140+. On a modern scale I'm ~188 at last testing, several years ago without experience. Where is Hawking? Often wondered that. Tesla was clearly more intelligent than anybody here, I do wonder where he'd fall?
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#104. To: Fred Mertz (#100)
hey baldy!
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#105. To: abraxas (#98)
I think Einstein's intellect out performs Hawking's. What Einstein considered his biggest blunder was actually discovered to be on target some 50 years after he died. Tesla deserves a 2 season, weekly 1-hour show on the Discovery channel on his exploits. And while Einstein, Hawking and Newton did pure theory, Tesla actually built stuff he theorized about.
They give Newton a 190 and Da Vinci a 185 and Einstein a 160.
Of course, my personal favorite, Tesla, is omitted again.
#106. To: christine (#102)
Before that I couldn't picture a scenario where I'd have been thrilled to see someone drilled with a broadhead. And, Burt & Co. got away with killing the mutants and they didn't have to explain it to the local sheriff! A double victory!
seriously, that was gross. realistic though.
#107. To: Pinguinite (#5)
Correct. However, Hawking does leave an interesting theological question open. If the Universe decided to spontaneously create itself, could not the concept of God simply be expanded to encompass all? The universe itself is the Grand Creator which would explain a great many other religions.
a grand omnipotent creator isn't necessarily required to explain the existence of the universe and all that's in it
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
#108. To: Pinguinite, abraxas (#88)
I like your answers, thank you.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#109. To: Fred Mertz (#100)
Welcome back.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#110. To: Flintlock (#0)
All Christians know that God hates cripples. God makes people cripple to punish them for their sins. The smart ones repent and will be cured by God. The stupid ones will stay cripple. And the really really retarded ones end up like Steven Hawking. No matter how much proof is provided for God's might, he keeps saying very stupid things. "Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?" (Exodus 4:11)
#111. To: Max (#110)
Are you kidding?
All Christians know that God hates cripples. God makes people cripple to punish them for their sins.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#112. To: Max (#110)
I think some reincarnation faiths do suggest such is "punishment" of sorts for sins in a past life.
God makes people cripple to punish them for their sins.
#113. To: Flintlock (#0)
This makes no sense. How can there be a law of gravity before creation when there was no matter or space for the matter to warp? Gravity is a warping of space caused by matter. scienceworld.wolfram.com/...cs/GeneralRelativity.html I don't know what this person is thinking. .
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
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#114. To: wudidiz (#111)
Thank you. Good to see you again too.
#115. To: A K A Stone (#56)
If you can "prove a negative" and "quite easily," prove to us that you don't kick your dog, beat your wife and children and that you are not a transvestite hooker. Not saying you are any of those things but I would like to see how you can "prove" that you are not. And just saying you're not or other people saying you're not is not proof.
Yes you can. Quite easily.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
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#116. To: PSUSA (#113)
. He (Hawking) doesn't either.
I don't know what this person is thinking.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#117. To: James Deffenbach (#116)
Either that or the article is too simplistic to relay what it is that he really said. Or it's intentional spin. Or maybe both. Anyone someone tells me that 2+2=234,323,765. he has some explaining to do. .
He (Hawking) doesn't either.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#118. To: wudidiz (#55)
another possibility is that the universe IS 'god', etc. just another part of the Singularity.
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#119. To: gengis gandhi (#118)
True.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#120. To: gengis gandhi (#118) (Edited)
Matter and energy have always existed. Matter is transformable into energy and vice versa. All things visible and invisible are either matter or energy or both. Matter creates space and gravity and time. Matter and energy moving in space creates time. The dual form of matter and energy is god, the creator of the universe. Matter is scientifically measureable and testable, unlike yahweh.
another possibility is that the universe IS 'god', etc
#121. To: Pinguinite, all (#88)
The best TV show I've seen that tackled the whole issue (and ironically, Hawking wasn't in it if I recall) was an episode of the Science Channel series "Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman" in the episode "Is There A Creator?", a good case is made for and against. The best case FOR is from the side of particle physics, with one theoretician who surfs in his free time evoking an elegant mathematical model that unites gravity with the other fundamental forces of the physical world in a way that predicts other particles like the Higgs boson that can be verified by experiments like the LHC. If I recall correctly (and here I'm not sure I do -- I'll have to watch the show again when I can), this model resembled large scale patterns in the cosmos. The conclusion here being that we may be like sprites in a computer simulation. Again I can't remember enough to flesh it out clearly, but this is definitely worth watching. On the "against" side is a research biologist, who manages to stimulate a part of the brain to evoke the presence or awareness of spirit beings. The notion that this developed in the brain order to suppress anxiety about one's eventual death and dissolution if there is the belief that they will live on as part of a greater whole. In all a fascinating show. Not for the dogmatically faint of heart or whose beliefs are set in stone (so to speak).
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
#122. To: PnbC (#121)
is the show anywhere online? i'd like to see it.
#123. To: PnbC (#121)
I found it here~
#124. To: christine (#122)
Just did a YouTube search.
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
#125. To: christine (#123)
The video quality at the YouTube page is better, though it is in 5 parts.
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
#126. To: gengis gandhi (#118)
Asteroid Discovery From 1980 - 2010 Excerpt from the pulldown notes: At the beginning of 2010 a new discovery pattern becomes evident, with discovery zones in a line perpendicular to the Sun-Earth vector.
another possibility is that the universe IS 'god'
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#127. To: GreyLmist (#126)
What if it is discovered that there is a multiverse? Then there would be something greater than god? Or perhaps god is a trans-dimensional entity beyond the universe that we are familiar with. If so, any written scripture would be woefully inadequate to our complete understanding.
another possibility is that the universe IS 'god'
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
#128. To: Pinguinite (#105)
I agree completely, Pinguinite. : ) Tesla also did some astounding theoretical work, especially in regards to the concept of the electric universe and the notion that all the "empty space" really is much more than nothing. Of course, his theories contradict relativity and also make gravity of lesser import than most theories give to it. Tesla impacts our lives everyday, yet so few even know who he is. Sigh.
Tesla deserves a 2 season, weekly 1-hour show on the Discovery channel on his exploits. And while Einstein, Hawking and Newton did pure theory, Tesla actually built stuff he theorized about.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#129. To: PnbC (#125)
I have a real interest in this kind of stuff. Thanks.
#130. To: PnbC (#127)
Or perhaps god is a trans-dimensional entity beyond the universe that we are familiar with. If so, any written scripture would be woefully inadequate to our complete understanding. Yes, like trans-dimensional. There are lots of people who can speak on this better than me and have but I'll try to summarize. God would have to exist outside of our concept of cause and effect or nothing would have ever gotten started -- not the smallest atom or laws of physics or a Grand Design.
What if it is discovered that there is a multiverse? Then there would be something greater than god?
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#131. To: Flintlock (#0)
Hee hee hee! Maybe we're dealing with some off-brand definition of "universe" here. What's this "law such as gravity" of which he's babbling? Is it part of the universe? If so, it doesn't exist without the universe, the self-creation of which it supposedly enables. If not, then there's something outside the "universe" -- a contradiction in terms. "Law such as gravity?" Sorry, no patience here with fuzzy talk, even if spoken with Dr. Sbaitso's voice. Don't care if it is hyper-super-mega-genius Hawking. That emperor ain't got a stitch on his ass.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."
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#132. To: Flintlock (#0) (Edited)
God. I need a definition. God of the Bible, the Diest God, what is he talking about exactly? The two universal languages are mathematics and music, perhaps "God" is hidden in these languages, "English" is so obtuse, and open to interpretation, I think that it is beyond "it" to offer an exact explanation.
#133. To: Flintlock (#0)
Hawking is the Zsa Zsa Gabor of popular science: he's famous for being famous, nobody reads his books. ((ducks to avoid incoming artillery))
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#134. To: X-15 (#133)
I read his "A Brief History of Time" book. If only because it has a really cool title.
nobody reads his books.
#135. To: James Deffenbach (#115)
I'll do something more simple for you. Someone says I was robbing Burger King last night an 10pm. I can prove that it is not true because I was videotaped checking out at walmart at 10pm.
#136. To: A K A Stone (#135)
Oh, but you seem to misunderstand. That is not proving a negative but a positive. And it doesn't touch what I "accused" you of--and no, I don't think you are guilty of any of that but you can't prove you are not. For instance, and again this is just an example, I accuse you of beating your wife. Can you prove you never have? Not without a video camera recording every interaction you have ever had with her. And even if you did I could come back with something like "What about all those times you turned it off before you beat her?" Or I could say that you kick your dog. Can you prove you don't? No. That is what I meant by no one can prove a negative. At least I have never heard of anyone doing so and have yet to see an example of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
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#137. To: Pinguinite (#134)
If only because it has a really cool title. Expatriates Don't Count. ;-)
I read his "A Brief History of Time" book.
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#138. To: X-15 (#137)
Ah, but I read it when I was still in the states. So there!
Expatriates Don't Count.
#139. To: Flintlock (#0)
If this earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings, I would suggest conditions could be better. However, many evolutionists have agreed that evolution could not have succeeded without intelligent design. In my opinion, nature is far more intelligent than the biblical account of a bi- polar God, and the Universe is unfolding as it should.
"That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.
#140. To: Pinguinite (#138)
Doh!! Ya got me. Stephen Hawking thanks you for your patronage.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
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#141. To: angK (#139)
However, many evolutionists have agreed that evolution could not have succeeded without intelligent design. In my opinion, nature is far more intelligent than the biblical account of a bi- polar God, and the Universe is unfolding as it should. You're 100% right. This was taken from the teachings of Zarathushtra. The "eco" stuff is a modern twist but still, I like it. If this earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings, I would suggest conditions could be better.
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