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Title: Creation came 'from nothing,' not God: Stephen Hawking
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URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-09-03-hawking02_ST_N.htm
Published: Sep 3, 2010
Author: AP staff
Post Date: 2010-09-03 08:59:40 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 422
Comments: 27

In his newest book, renowned physicist Professor Stephen Hawking, shown here in June at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, says that God was not necessary for creation.

LONDON (AP) — Did creation need a creator? British physicist and mathematician Stephen Hawking says no, arguing in his new book that there need not be a God behind the creation of the universe. The concept is explored in The Grand Design, excerpts of which were printed in the British newspaper The Times on Thursday. The book, written with fellow physicist Leonard Mlodinow, is scheduled to be published by Bantam Press on Sept. 9.

FAITH & REASON: Hawking alters position on God in new book

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Nothing from nothing.

My man Billy Preston had it down.

Turtle  posted on  2010-09-03   10:58:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder who created gravity.

Ada  posted on  2010-09-03   13:30:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder who created gravity.

It surely wasn't created by some jewish guy that needed rest on the 7th day.

I'll go out on a limb and say gravity is generated by matter, which has always existed.

I guess that means matter and energy are god.

Now we have a testable hypothesis.

Science can actually prove that matter and energy exist.

Googolplex  posted on  2010-09-03   13:45:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll go out on a limb and say gravity is generated by matter, which has always existed.

So who created matter?

Ada  posted on  2010-09-03   18:05:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So who created matter?

That's a question that man will never be able to answer.

But, if God created matter, then who or what created God?

It does amaze me that we, as a species, can't even begin to comprehend all of this.

Critter  posted on  2010-09-03   18:32:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But, if God created matter, then who or what created God?

Are you of the "particles" or the "waves" school regarding matter?

Ada  posted on  2010-09-03   19:52:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you of the "particles" or the "waves" school regarding matter?

Neither. I'm from the "I haven't a danged clue" regarding matter :)

I don't think the human mind will ever be able to comprehend anything that doesn't have a beginning. Everything comes from somewhere or from something. Nothing can ever be made from nothing.

Critter  posted on  2010-09-03   20:03:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't think the human mind will ever be able to comprehend anything that doesn't have a beginning. Everything comes from somewhere or from something. Nothing can ever be made from nothing.

Your statements fly in the face of people who believe in the biblical jewish tribal god.

The jewish tribal god, yahweh, claims in the bible he has no beginning, no end, and has no creator. Basically, yahweh sprung from nothing.

If you profile the creators of most superhero comic books, professional magic tricks, and Hollywood movies, you might be able to guess who created yahweh.

Googolplex  posted on  2010-09-03   22:15:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The jewish tribal god, yahweh, claims in the bible he has no beginning, no end, and has no creator. Basically, yahweh sprung from nothing.

He doesn't say that. What He says is "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end."

Ada  posted on  2010-09-04   6:44:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If yahweh had a beginning, an alpha, who created yahweh?

If yahweh has an end, an omega, who destroys yahweh?

The correct answer to these questions is....the furtive mind of the authors of the old testament.

The same people that profit themselves offering you Hollywood products, superhero comic books, and professional magician tricks.

It would be useful to conclude that the creator of the universe, energy and matter, is also the creator of the authors of the bible, who created the tribal fiction of yahweh.

Googolplex  posted on  2010-09-04   8:18:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If yahweh had a beginning, an alpha, who created yahweh?

If yahweh has an end, an omega, who destroys yahweh?

We might say that whoever/whatever created God created gravity. But that doesn't solve anything. Destruction is much easier to envision--some day the universe will go ka-boom or retreat back onto itself with a whimper.

God was not created by OT "authors". Hindus, Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians all had stories of the gods and creation. I put authors in quotes because the stories were there long before the Hebrew scribes decided it was time to put them in writing. The stories, of course, were sacred and the scribes did not consider themselves authorized as which one to pick so they wrote them all down. Which is why you have two accounts as to the creation of humans.

Ada  posted on  2010-09-05   9:15:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So, you are not a christian, or at least not a bible fundamentalist.

Who or what is your god?

I've documented the scientifically accurate concept that mass and energy can neither be created or destroyed.

That concept literally means that energy and mass have always existed, and will always exist, as I have already stated.

I have also documented that mass occupies and creates space, creates gravity, can convert into energy, and take the form of kinetic, radiation, heat, and potential.

How does your god compare with these facts, facts that show that mass and energy are the true god, the creator of the universe?

You speak of 2 creation accounts; I'm guessing bible fiction versus evolution? Is this correct?

Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe. You have mixed metaphors.

Science hasn't concluded as yet how the universe, as we see it today, was created. The big bang is only one theory of many. However it happened, it doesn't change the fact that energy and mass have always existed, and will always exist.

Mass and energy are what you consider god.

Googolplex  posted on  2010-09-05   12:54:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've documented the scientifically accurate concept that mass and energy can neither be created or destroyed.

More or less true (there is a question of whether nuclear reactions are an exception)in a closed system. The question is whether our universe is a closed system or infinite. Latest thinking seems to be that the universe might be a closed system surrounded by a membrane and just one of many universes--the multiverse is now the fashion. In the multiverse, if it exists, the laws of physics ("the laws of physics are the laws of God") might not be the same as they are here.

If we suppose that energy and mass predated the universe then we might conclude that they are the creating Elohim. Now I am pulling this out of my, uh, hat but IMO so are the physicists. Energy, of course, is energy but what is matter, i.e., particles or waves? In the 19th century a pastor mailed a letter to a girl as follows:

Miss --- --- 123 4th Avenue Nowhere Armpit County State of NY United States The World The Universe The Mind of God

If the universe exists in the Mind of God, then matter is probably waves which are very much like mind waves which the sentient all possess.

Genesis has two accounts of how humans were created. The first is the better known--the Elohim create Adam in their image and then Eve from his rib. The second (and older) account has the Elohim fashioning humans from mud and then breathing life into them. (Incidentally, "life" and "soul" are one and the same thing.)

Ada  posted on  2010-09-06   9:09:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You have confused mass with matter.

Radio waves have mass too.

Nuclear reactions retain mass, whether it be in the form of radio waves or particles.

Multiverse is unsubstantiated theory.

By definition, matter occupies space, so it cannot be a radio wave.

You are confusing brain waves as being radio waves.

Brain waves are not radio waves.

Googolplex  posted on  2010-09-07   12:46:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do brain waves have mass?

Multiverse is unsubstantiated but its the latest craze with the physicists.

Ada  posted on  2010-09-07   13:17:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do brain waves have mass?

Yes.

What's your point?

Shat has mass too, and supports waves when perturbed, but most people don't think of it as a god.

Some masses are more evolved than others.

Googolplex  posted on  2010-09-07   18:02:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: Googolplex (#26)

Do brain waves have mass? Yes.

What's your point?

I couldn't figure out where your radio waves came from when the topic was creation from the Mind of God, i.e., brain waves.

Ada  posted on  2010-09-08 10:53:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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