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Title: Judge Overturns Nebraska Ban On Flag Mutilation, Siding With Westboro Church's Right To Protest Military Funerals
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/ ... tilation-lawsuit_n_704305.html
Published: Sep 3, 2010
Author: TIMBERLY ROSS
Post Date: 2010-09-03 10:57:03 by Ada
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OMAHA, Neb. — A federal judge overturned Nebraska's ban on flag mutilation Thursday, clearing the way for Kansas church protesters to continue trampling on the U.S. flag when they protest at military funerals. The ruling from U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf said the law can't be applied as long as Megan Phelps-Roper and fellow members of the Westboro Baptist Church "otherwise act peacefully while desecrating the American or Nebraska flag during their religiously motivated protests." It was unclear whether the ruling applied only to the church members or to everyone in Nebraska. An earlier temporary block of the law applied only to Phelps-Roper. The judge declined to explain the intent of his ruling when reached by The Associated Press. A message left Thursday with the Nebraska attorney general's office wasn't immediately returned. Attorney General Jon Bruning has previously said the flag-protection law passed in 1977 is not consistent with later U.S. Supreme Court rulings that labeled flag desecration a form of protected speech. Bruning has said he wouldn't fight to save the Nebraska law. If he chooses not to appeal, Kopf's decision would close the case. Members of the Topeka, Kan., church protest at soldier funerals around the country because they believe U.S. troop deaths are punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. Group members often trample on the U.S. flag, wear it and display it upside-down as part of their protests. In July, Phelps-Roper filed the federal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Nebraska's flag law, saying it infringed on her right to free speech. The law barred intentionally "casting contempt or ridicule" upon a U.S. or Nebraska flag by mutilating, defacing or burning it or by trampling on it.
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
not good
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Harassing those whom are grieving is not just evil, it is dangerously stupid to do.
An upside down flag is an international symbol of distress and everyone in America should have been flying theirs upside down for years.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. i know nobody likes the Phelps folks , but do you remember a few years ago congress passed a law specific to them, barring protest outside funerals. i read all the congressional testimony on this proposal & it is outrageous that congressmen mentioned the 'offensive/ radical' ideas of these folks. it's not the business of congress what our thoughts are. everyone who voted for this law is a traitor tyrant. i interviewed Megan phelps roper 2 yrs ago outside the obama mccain rally. title on youtube is westboro baptist on 9/11 truth. another short one with them is westboro baptist vs saddleback. despite all the rhetoric they seem more normal & reasonable than many.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Yes, I strongly agree with you. What these church members are doing at funerals is highly offensive and inflammatory. I wonder, as I often do about the many abnormal phenomena occurring these days, what or who is behind this behavior. Although I believe that the wars we are now engaged in are in fact criminal enterprises, I think that the soldiers that fight and die in them are in a sense victims too. Their surviving family members certainly are, and it is the height of arrogance that few things but religion can drive people to, to subject them to this sort of humiliation and pain. The congregation of the Westboro Baptist Church are sick individuals. Increasingly, I find, this entire country is being led and populated by the clinically insane.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
i disagree. the real sickos are the compliant clueless sheep who support evil genocide worldwide at the hand of the u.s. military. Our first duty is to love God & keep His Commandments. Agree? then you agree with Megan Phelps. This is a cursed and doomed nation. these folks are spot on in this regard.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 sometimes the truth is a bitter pill. obama/ mccain are fag loving baby killers, & this is indeed a wicked nation. the murderous 'troops' waging these undeclared wars are far from heroes. they are facilitators. its refreshing that these americans have the sense to say it. truth hurts.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Source: normpattis.blogspot.com/2...ge-richard-kopfs-road-to- hell.html Saturday, January 2, 2010 Judge Richard Kopf's Road To Hell I was inclined to greet news that a Nebraska federal judge issued an order enjoining the state from enforcing part of its new sex offender law with good cheer. "Finally," I thought, "a judge with the sense to see through the madness of these new laws." But then I read the decision, and I am now inclined to view United States District Court Judge Richard Kopf's decision as yet another road to Hell. This one is not even paved with good intentions. The plaintiffs sought to bar Nebraska from enforcing harsh new requirements for the registration and monitoring of so-called sex offenders. State lawmakers approved new legislation to go into effect on January 1, 2010, as a means of retaining federal funding under the so-called Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, codified at 42 U.S.C. Section 16912. The act, known as SORNA to insiders, aspires to create a new national sex offender registry. Nebraska did what all good states do when the feds threaten to turn off the spigot of free cash: it amended its laws to please federal paymasters. There's nothing unlawful about this, mind you. Constitutional lawyers don't regard this as the assertion of a federal police power, a notion anathema to the very concept of federalism. No, we maintain the police fiction that cash-strapped states are free to say no to generous federal funding: States that don't want to eat Uncle Sam's carrots are free to walk away. But Nebraska did more than SORNA required. The state also enacted requirements not found in SORNA: namely, it required sex offenders who are not on parole or probation to sign consent forms permitting the state to search and seize their personal computers at will. It also barred non-supervised registrants from participating on social networking sites on which minors might appear. The plaintiffs in the Nebraska action, who include the mother of a so-called offender, and an attorney who employs a so-called offender, sought to enjoin Nebraska from enforcing the law, and they filed papers in mid-December to block enforcement. On December 30, Judge Kopf issued an order upholding all aspects of the new Nebraska law except the provisions requiring unsupervised registrants to consent to searches of their computers and the barring them from participating on social networking sites. The thinking goes something like this: Once an offender is not on probation or parole, he is free, and therefore the state cannot resitrict his Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. Neither can the state impede the right to free association and speech. I have news for you: Those rights will evaporate for sex offenders unless something changes. Judge Kopf's decision is troubling for those who care about civil liberties. The federal courts have long since concluded that registration is not punishment, a view that only a life-time appointee who must never look for a job, seek a place to live or worry about random knocks on the door by vigilantes can maintain. This repulsive abandonment of reason justifies registration by saying it is a mere regulatory requirement incident to conviction of certain offenses. Thus, it violates no constitutional right to be required to register, even without a particularized showing of harm. Let's just round up this new class of niggers and put them on a libidinal plantation. Judge Kopf notes this line of cases and then concludes, somewhat paradoxically, that it is all right to require registration, a mere incident to conviction, but it is not all right to require registrants also to consent to random searches or stay off social networking sites. Don't get me wrong, I am relieved to see this constitutional line drawn. But my sense of the current climate of hysteria among lawmakers and judges is that this constitutional line will also be erased: what's a few random searches in the name of public safety if the folks were searching are already on the registry? And do we really want Uncle Ernie fiddling about on Facebook? You know the answer in terms of popular prejudice; it won't take long for the simpering class on the bench to fall into line. And Judge Kopf is a cheerleader for the simpering class. "In a democracy," he writes, "we have legislatures to make public policy choices, and a black robe does not legitimize nullification of those legislative decisions simply because I find them dumb or distasteful. On the contrary, '[i]f the people want to go to Hell, I will help them. It's my job.' Let's get at it." It does not help that Judge Kopf cites Oliver Wendell Holmes for this eviscerated vision of a federal judge's role. Sure, the judge is literate, but to what end: cowardice? May I remind Judge Kolb that the judiciary is independent for a reason, and that the Bill of Rights was also enacted for a reason: Those reasons are common, Judge. To place certain things off bounds when lawmakers are moved by passion: that is what we refer to by the notion of checks and balances. Your job, Judge, is not to hide behind a black robe and then lose yourself in the bellowing mass of idiocy any legislative body can conceive in the dark of night. We expect more of a federal judge that passing the buck. The Nebraska decision is a disgrace: A federal judge dancing glibly to Hell, and then all but laughing about it. Sad. Tragic. And worse, a sign of things to come. Reading between the lines, the judge is really sending a signal to Congress: Amend SORNA to do whatever you like, because, in the end, I will lack the courage to do anything at all to protect the rights of our new pariahs!
__________________________________________________________ as i said above, the law that congress passed in specific opposition to this phelps church is unmeasurably worse than anything this group has said or done. i support their rights. i suggest you spend 10 minutes actually listening to them like i did, and the knee jerk reaction to them will change. then tell me what they said which you disagree with. i am betting it will be zero. i'm not even baptist or protestant but these folks made perfect sense.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 : one that facilitates; especially : one that helps to bring about an outcome (as learning, productivity, or communication) by providing indirect or unobtrusive assistance, guidance, or supervision
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
one that facilitates; especially : one that helps to bring about an outcome (as learning, productivity, or communication) by providing indirect or unobtrusive assistance, guidance, or supervision
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
I dont know wtf is going on with this board, but it cut off part of my reply. Here is the rest of it. IMO they are not facilitators. They are not "indirect or unobtrusive". They are murderers, and it looks like they have great fun in murdering people. I'd say that they share direct responsibility with those that chose this war. And it was a war of choice. And as part of the judgment due to this curse, I hope none of them to return home alive. With them dead, the world will be a better place. And with them alive, here, they'll murder us for fun too. All someone has to do is say "shoot". And like the mindless little robots they are, they'll shoot. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
ouch, how mean! how dare you say our troops murder people. dontcha know a million iraqi civilians dead & the war is evil but the troops R heroes? ... yikes.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 But is shouldn't be illegal.
I agree with many of the sentiments that you offer above. I would opine though, that whatever the philosophy or motivation behind the protests by this church, they will be canned and packaged to conform to whatever image the owned media will have the public consume. You see, it is a desecration. That is the image that the public will have of these performances. I'll be glad to read the website when I get time, but that website won't had an iota to the impression that these people have already made. If you want to generate genuine hatred and derision toward people of anti-war sentiments and beliefs, this is a sure way to accomplish that.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Neil, can you see what's going on here?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Me too, especially when they're programmed to think the American Military Arm is a force for freedom.
"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all the Jews, for if the goys knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly". (Book of Libbre David, 37.) No bigger hoax than the holocaust.
I agree with you. this does not seem like a very good way of protest to me.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Its minor. It cut it off after I copied/pasted a definition. Maybe I pasted something that messed it up.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
isn't this the same church leader who had himself and his members running around saying 'god hates fags' and doing interviews all over the country repeating that slogan too? we should presume that this church leader is an undercover 'asset' of somebody in our intelligence community. he's sewing confusion and discord. he's generating opposition to his alleged anti-war cause. He's causing people to dislike christianity. having said that, I happen to think that homosexuality is wrong, I think it is against god and nature, I think it harms people who participate in it. But I don't agree with expressing malice towards others like this.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I have no idea if this is true, but there are innumerable examples of this sort of thing, aren't there??
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
There was a preacher who lived here (where I live) in Phoenix named Sheldon Emry. he wrote a famous essay named 'billions for bankers debts for the people'. after he died (about 23 years ago) his church was infiltrated by undercover people and basically ruined. Remember the Colorado preacher at the big mega-church. Forgot his name. He was extremely pro-war. He advocated pre-emptive attack of muslim countries. He appeared on '60 minutes' saying these types of things. The national media raised him up and focused on him. That fellow spoke against the Israeli invasion of Lebanon a few years back. though he was normally an extremely pro-Israel christian-zionist type, he spoke against Israel invading Lebanon. Afterwards he was outted. he had the homosexual/drug use vice in his life and he'd been that way since he was young. He was embarassed and ruined by the national media who outted him. He was a mega-church leader. for these mega-churches I wonder who finances them, because they are almost all it seems, very pro-Israel and pro-war. we should presume that many of the American christian groups are in reality compromised in one way or another. This is a government that infiltrates every organization of significance that may lead people. In the 1970's we had the bizarre incident in North Carolina where members of the Ku Klux Klan and members of the communist party got into a fight with each other and about 5 people died. At that incident the people on both sides causing the violence were undercover agents. Bible colleges - who funds them? Because most of them preach a christian-zionist view.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Now, that's a hoot. LOL. Yer tax dollars at work. I hope they got their friggin' beaks bent!
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Yes, I strongly agree with you. What these church members are doing at funerals is highly offensive and inflammatory. I wonder, as I often do about the many abnormal phenomena occurring these days, what or who is behind this behavior. Although I believe that the wars we are now engaged in are in fact criminal enterprises, I think that the soldiers that fight and die in them are in a sense victims too. Their surviving family members certainly are, and it is the height of arrogance that few things but religion can drive people to, to subject them to this sort of humiliation and pain. The congregation of the Westboro Baptist Church are sick individuals. Increasingly, I find, this entire country is being led and populated by the clinically insane. And for what it's worth, it has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction that G_D (YHWH Q. JEHOVAH) is an angry, vengeful homophobe who would punish America by allowing the deaths of our sons and daughters. I believe that Fred Phelps has pressed The Lord's good name into service for the benefit of Fred Phelps. I mean the sheer arrogance of asserting that HE KNOWS who is killed by God and why leads me to believe that Fred needs to double his dosage.... These deaths are unavoidable as our troops serve in The Allied Petroleum Expeditionary Forces and the Poppy Protection Police, both profitable to the shadow elite. And, Hell, los lizardos ain't gonna risk their sons' or daughters' lives on those deux deux patrols. Even if homoism became a capital crime the deaths from ill conceived wars would continue, and Fred would no doubt claim that as long as one "dirty queer is taking horny sailors back from a MED cruise into alleys" we can expect no quarter from G_D.
From the logs, I can't tell for sure (not enough info) but it appears that only about 2 seconds went by between the the preview and the posting of the comment. Perhaps it's possible that the page didn't fully load after the preview? If it didn't then a cut off post may be the result. So after previewing it's important to let the page fully load before clicking the post button. It's a guess, but the only one I have at the moment.
One and the same. The only other thing I know about him is that he was an Algore delegate at a past Democrat convention. Whether he and his group are as they present themselves isn't the point. The question is defense of the First Amendment.
bingo. i guess most here agree with congress who banned phelps groups protest literally because it was 'offensive' & 'fringe'. it's amazing what people will fall for. also, faggotry & love of it (embracing abominable evil) has been infesting society for so many generations that even Christians can't seem to see evil when its there. i'm not offended by the fact that unrepentant sinners go to hell. That's simple theological truth. yet it greatly bothers many in society. this is one of the real reasons people are offended by the likes of phelps. the truth hurts.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 ping to #31 because this thread prompted me to break my rule. i can't believe people are so offended by this guy 'oh how dare you call a fag a fag', 'how dare you claim that sinners go to hell'. WTF?!! freakin bizarre. oh i'm wringing my hands in angst because some midwest preacher says unrepentant fags go to hell. we must get the fedgov to halt him. lol. i am speechless.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Like the ground-zero mosque, just because something is lawful, does not mean that it's in good taste or is the proper thing to do.
i don't know if this phelps family are some sort of agent provocateurs etc & everyone i know insists that their tactics are wrong. however, i read their actual arguments at length on their website godhatesfags.com years ago. im not unfamiliar with a fire & brimstone background. i understand it. if Christians are called to admonish the sinner, why is it bad to do so? one could argue that phelps & his ilk actually care more for the unrepentant sinner (in this case, fags) & concern for their eternal life than the majority who coddle, embrace, & promote the sin. i know that homosexuality is not the only sin out there. we're all sinners. i'm just saying that i've read their arguements & ran into these people personally & they are not what they are presented by the mainstream media. i hate to plug this again but watch the 7 min. vid westboro baptist on 9/11 truth i linked to. they're perfectly reasonable & normal folks. imo
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 ping to # 31-34 because the reaction to this guy is always fascinating to watch. i guess admonishing the sinners bush/cheney etc is great but if it's not PC, admonishing the sinner is horrible, fringe, & hurts their wil feewings.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I'm not arguing with their beliefs. It's just unbelievably poor taste and thoughtlessness for them to have their sign spectacle when a family is burying a father, brother, son, or mother or daughter, to have to pass through a gauntlet like that. Their motives may be good, but their methods are miserable. imo
I see laws like this as unconstitutional. It is one of those areas that separate the true constitutionalists from those that pay it lip service but still support government intervention.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Agreed and a lot of "conservatives" seem to stop standing on principle and support big government when it comes to things like this. You are either for Constitutional principles or you are not. There is no support in some areas and not in others.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. but that returns us to the aspect of this which psusa were discussing earlier. if the war is fraudulent & evil, & killing a million iraqis is evil, & we oppose it, whotf precisely is carrying out all this alleged evil? its not obama & bush!! its the compliant servant soldiers, who are endlessly revered, which only plays into the fraud backdrop of this whole empirical charade. this is why it don't bother me if 'our troops' aren't revered with kid gloves.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I said nothing about the military trappings that go with these deaths. I'm talking about the loss that the family is going through. Off for a while. Keep it going.
i understand, but their family member was not a hero, but rather was used & disgarded. they owe it to their lost to not support further losses. since their loved one played a part in the war, they need to deal with the fallout & critics of that. they need to grow up & deal w/ it. since they're dumb enough to believe their dead relative 'died protecting our freedoms', they should respect the freedoms of the kooks on the corner with signs.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
#2. To: Ada (#0)
#3. To: Ada (#0)
Lord Acton
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#4. To: Ada, psusa, hounddawg, jethro tull, lod, christine, wudidiz, cynicom, eric stratton (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#5. To: PaulCJ (#2)
Harassing those whom are grieving is not just evil, it is dangerously stupid to do.
#6. To: randge (#5)
#7. To: randge (#5)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#8. To: Eric Stratton (#6)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#9. To: Artisan (#8)
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#10. To: Ada (#0)
The ruling from U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#11. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#12. To: Artisan (#8)
the murderous 'troops' waging these undeclared wars are far from heroes. they are facilitators. i
#13. To: Artisan (#8)
the murderous 'troops' waging these undeclared wars are far from heroes. they are facilitators. i
#14. To: Artisan (#11)
(Edited)
#15. To: PSUSA (#14)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#16. To: PaulCJ (#2)
evil and dangerous
#17. To: Artisan, Eric Stratton (#7)
#18. To: PSUSA, Pinguinite (#14)
I dont know wtf is going on with this board, but it cut off part of my reply
#19. To: Artisan (#11)
#20. To: randge, Artisan (#17)
#21. To: randge (#5)
I think that the soldiers that fight and die in them are in a sense victims too.
#22. To: PaulCJ (#2)
Harassing those whom are grieving is not just evil, it is dangerously stupid to do.
#23. To: christine, Pinguinite (#18)
#24. To: Ada (#0)
#25. To: Red Jones (#24)
#26. To: randge (#25)
#27. To: Red Jones (#26)
At that incident the people on both sides causing the violence were undercover agents.
#28. To: randge, PaulCJ (#5)
(Edited)
Harassing those whom are grieving is not just evil, it is dangerously stupid to do.
#29. To: christine, PSUSA (#18)
#30. To: Red Jones (#24)
isn't this the same church leader who had himself and his members running around saying 'god hates fags' and doing interviews all over the country repeating that slogan too?
#31. To: Ada (#30)
The question is defense of the First Amendment
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#32. To: psusa (#31)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#33. To: Artisan, 4 (#31)
#34. To: Lod (#33)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#35. To: original_intent (#34)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#36. To: Artisan (#34)
#37. To: Ada, Original_Intent, Lod, Jethro Tull, turtle, christine (#0)
The law barred intentionally "casting contempt or ridicule" upon a U.S. or Nebraska flag by mutilating, defacing or burning it or by trampling on it.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#38. To: Ada (#30)
Whether he and his group are as they present themselves isn't the point. The question is defense of the First Amendment.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#39. To: Lod (#36)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#40. To: Artisan (#39)
#41. To: Lod (#40)
the loss that the family
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
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