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Title: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial
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CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/02/birther.court.martial/index.html
Published: Sep 6, 2010
Author: By the CNN Wire Staff
Post Date: 2010-09-06 13:10:55 by Ferret
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Views: 548
Comments: 47
(CNN) -- A judge on Thursday denied a request for President Barack Obama to testify at a court martial for a U.S. Army flight surgeon who refused to deploy to Afghanistan until he saw proof that Obama was born in the United States. The judge, Army Col. Denise Lind, said any evidence or witnesses related to Obama's citizenship is irrelevant to the charges against Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who has 17 years of service in the U.S. military. After failing to deploy with his unit in April, Lakin was charged with missing a movement, disobeying a lawful order and dereliction of duty. The Uniform Code of Military Justice says the maximum punishment for both offenses -- missing his plane and disobeying lawful orders -- is a dishonorable discharge and up to two years in confinement. A guilty verdict could also result in forfeiture of Lakin's pay, which totals $7,959 a month, according to a charge sheet provided by a group sponsoring his defense. Lakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal. In addition to putting Obama on their witness list, Lakin's lawyers had asked Lind to order Obama's official birth records from Hawaii be brought to court for trial. "If the president is ineligible, you need to know that," Lakin's civilian attorney, Paul Jensen, told Lind. "Col. Lakin needs to know that, the government needs to know that, America needs to know that." The prosecutors in the case argued that Obama's eligibility is not relevant because the officers who ordered Lakin to go to Fort Campbell and then ordered him to answer questions about why he didn't go were his proper superiors in the military chain of command, and they gave him legal orders. Jensen later conceded that point. The judge ruled that the matter of Obama's eligibility is not relevant because he did not give any orders in the case. She pointed out that while the president is commander-in-chief of the military, it is Congress that is constitutionally empowered to raise armies, pay them and equip them. Any contention that any orders are invalid if the president is ineligible "is erroneous," the judge said. Lind also said that military law says that a soldier's personal beliefs or convictions are not sufficient to allow that soldier to determine that an order is illegal. The soldier has to have "no rational doubt" that the order is illegal before he or she can ignore it. Finally she ruled that a military court martial is not the forum in which to determine a president's eligibility, because the Constitution says only Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president. Afterward, Jensen said he respected the judge's ruling, but called it distressing. "It completely deprives us of any opportunity to present a defense in this case," Jensen said. The court martial is set to begin in October, but Jensen said he's not giving up on the matter of Obama's eligibility. "We will be giving the Army Court of Criminal Appeals in the next week or two the opportunity to take up the issue, and we are going to fight on for justice to be served in this case." Lakin is among 27 percent of Americans who doubt or deny that Obama is American-born, according to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. They compose the birther movement, which demands that Obama present a birth certificate signed by the doctor who delivered him in 1961. CNN and other news organizations have thoroughly debunked the rumors about the president's birthplace. The Obama campaign released a copy of a birth record issued by the state in 2007, called a "certification of live birth," and allowed reporters to examine the document in person in 2008. Last year, Hawaiian state officials issued a statement that they had personally viewed the president's original Hawaiian birth record, called a "certificate of live birth," and verified it to be authentic. State law bars the release of the original certificate. In addition, two Hawaiian newspapers ran notices in 1961 announcing Obama's birth in the state. CNN's Larry Shaughnessy contributed to this report
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#1. To: Ferret (#0)
What a dumbshit, Lakin is. He just blew away a possible brilliant career based upon a pile of allegations called 'shit.'
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I have no doubt that they are going to make an example out of him. My own special court martial - which I won - had political overtones as they targeted me as a too outspoken person politically. But in my case, it was me who took it up to that level from the 'give him several Article 15s and throw him out as unwilling to adapt' mode they were trying to use on me. I got a good private lawyer costing me a hefty fee and made things look like the tempest in a teapot and had it thrown out on the grounds the prosecution failed to prove a prima facie case. Court Martials are traumatic, take a long time to get through, and you are very aware that the sword of Damocles could fall on your head and take you to a federal prison for a long time. He is a damn fool for this self inflicted wound. He only has himself to blame for the fix he is in. I thrived in my job and made helicopter crew chief and sergeant E-5 before I got out the first time, but after my experience, I shut the hell up publicly about all things political. I sure as shit did not want to go through that dog and pony show ever again.
Are you saying you volunteered a second time, never to ETS to enjoy more of the same 'shit' experience?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
What a dumbshit, Lakin is. He just blew away a possible brilliant career based upon a pile of allegations called 'shit.' So, of course you can provide us with a link to a certified copy of his Birth Certificate - not a digitally "retouched" Certificate of Live Birth (which the State of Hawaii would issue to anyone just upon their word without any proof). As well I'm sure you can provide copies of Barry Soetoro's fiancial aid, College Admissions, etc., which show that he applied as a U.S. Citizen and not as a foreign student from Indonesia named Barry Soetoro, who is now sitting in the Oval Office, an Illegal Alien whose Student Visa expired over twenty years ago. Oh, I forgot. He's hiding all of that and has spent about 2 million dollars in legal fees in order to keep a 25 dollar birth certificate from being produced. Funny how that works. Nothing suspicious here folks - move along, move along, don't look at that man behind the curtain he is unimportant.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Nah. I got out, went home, and later joined the Utah Army National Guard from the Oregon Army National Guard to be in 1/19th Special Forces. After the Special Forces Qualification Course, I went back on active duty as a Guardsman filling an active duty slot. When it came time to either get out or go Regular Army once more, I got out. It was after I went to Operation Haven't been back to that well since.
So? I made E-5 and Sonar Watch Supervisor before the end of my first enlistment (and was discharged as an E-6). I think most of us here have "walked the walk".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Good for you, a principled choice. I almost went back in during Desert Storm, but concluded it was a put up job, since confirmed, and am glad I didn't allow my desire to serve to override my better judgement.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I made E-5 my first term and ultimately left all Army life as an E-6 as well. And I am aware many here are Veterans, and put no airs on. I merely relate my unfortunate experience with a Special Court martial, and how it is nothing anyone should invite on themselves.
Recently, I had to produce a copy of my birth certificate for a new requirement about my doctoral candidacy and qualifications. So, I sent off for my official records in California. In form and format, it looks EXACTLY like 0bamas on-line certification, other than the intrinsic information about myself. YOU don't know what the HELL you are talking about other than strange gaseous sounds from a pie-hole which is quite usual when you are on-line.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
And? Anyone signing up (assuming they have the smallest brain on the planet) knows they are OWNED THROUGHOUT THE CONTRACT PERIOD. That is why I got out ASAP. You can click on my nickname if you want.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Smart choice on your part. I could of gone to work for security contractors in Iraq and no doubt made lots of money. I have friends back at Ft. Bragg recruiting for private firms think I was absolutely insane for not going that route. But for me, it was a case of whoring for a dollar by working for some really bad pimps, or having peace of mind and preserving my dignity as a human being. I feel the same way, that I made a good choice.
A PhD in Mixology?
There is NO reason that Obama couldn't produce his long form BC for this military court and put the matter to rest other than he doesn't have the proof. The argument that it would be public is moot. The judge says the producing the docs could damage his presidency. WTH does that mean? If Obama wants soldiers to war for him and die for him and follow his orders, then he should be willing to provide the court with any document necessary to prove his Constitutionally required credentials to hold the highest office in this land. It's the least he could do. One must ask: What could be "damaging" about that?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The matter was "put to rest" with the political party leaders that ensured his capability for candidacy in the first place. They verified his background and the same data was placed for inspection in front of the opposing party leaders. And beyond all of that certification, the electoral Congress were submitted the same documents. 0bama is America's president. Celebrate his glory... and enjoy his tax-payer relief programs for $100M vacations.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Money does not salve a guilty conscience or restore broken honor. I applaud your integrity - unfortunately an item that has become too rare in this age of decadence.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Uh, buck? I know this may not fit your world view, but some of us served because they felt the call of duty, not the lure of money, or ease, or personal aggrandizement. Quixotic I know, but true nonetheless.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I do believe I've asked you to provide the who, what, when, where and how for this "ensured his capability for candidacy" line you continue to toss out. Who "verified his background" and with what documents? When was this done? What opposing party leaders? McCain--who just happened to face some of the same questions regarding meeting Constitutional requirements to hold office? Gee, I can't think of any reason why one party might just scratch the back of the other party on this one....... When did the electoral Congress view the documents? What documents did they view? Why hasn't anybody from this "review" spoken out on their process and findings?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Oh sure. You expect me to believe in your comick-relief?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Your question is of course rhetorical as the answer is obvious: He doesn't have one, and you cannot produce that which does not exist. The "Judges" comment is amusing in a sick way as she seems to be indirectly acknowledging that she is aware that it does not exist. Of course, as we both know the Birth Certificate, or lack thereof, is only one of multiple issues that throw doubt upon the legitimacy of Barry Soetoro as a legal and legitimate President. There is little doubt left in my mind that he is most likely an illegal alien here on an expired "Student Visa" issued to a Mr. Barry Soetoro a citizen of Indonesia. Just as there is little doubt remaining that Barack Hussein Obama is a CIA creation.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The electoral college (which actually votes for your esteemed president) has all the data... ask them.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You may believe as you wish. I am secure in my own conscience and thus do not require your approval, and your disapproval is of no measurable significance.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And your proof of that unsubstantiated and unsupported statement is?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What exactly did you do? And... What the FUCK does a sonar operator do in the deserts of Iraq... wait for Amin, the camel herder with a stethoscope strapped to his ears while his face is in the sand?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Argumentum Ad Hominem Get back to me when you have something more substantial than a personal attack which, I guess, is supposed to upset me and make me all defensive. Oh, boo hoo I am so hurt and discouraged. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You seem to always POP a cherry on-line.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
So, what you're saying is you have nothing to offer in regards to your claims. You are saying you don't know the who, what, when, where, why or how of the claims you are making. BTW, the electoral college doesn't verify eligibility. Read you own historical link on that. The founders of the nation devised the Electoral College system as part of their plan to share power between the states and the national government. They come in at the end of the process, after the voting. You believe and that, derb nub it, should be good enough for the lot of us. Well, Buck it's NOT good enough, especially since you have less than zero credibility and often offer disinformation.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yes they do.... whether the electoral college actually do anything with the data or not is their individual civic responsibility to the country. Do you know who nominates the individual members of and about the electoral college in the first place?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Hmmmmmmmm...........nothing on eligibility there either. Okay, Buck, so you claim the EC takes up the issue of eligibility. Which of the 538 electors did this for the 2008 election? How about in 2004 or 2000? I would think such data would be readily available and easily found. You have never even provided one name to substantiate your claims.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I wonder if any GI was smart enough, when Dubya was President, to refuse orders on the ground that Dubya wasn't legitimately elected. Anyway, the claim by "Lakin's lawyers ... that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief" is just moronic. "I refuse the order to clean the latrines because the President wasn't born in the USA." This logic also seems to require that every link in the chain of command also be completely proven. "I refuse the order to clean the latrines because the 3-star General above my 2-star General above my 1-star General is illegitimate." Lakin got tired of being recycled to where the action is and would very much like to practice medicine privately .... but would be refuse Medicare and Obamacare payments because he thinks Obama isn't really President?
Obama isn't legally the president since he was born in a foreign country. This has been pointed out to you numerous times yet you persist.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The "official" verification process is called vetting. It is not a function of USC. There are no other rules.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You're a doctoral candidate?? Where, Boxtop University (get your PhD in three boxes or less, guaranteed!) Either that or grad school admission standards have adopted the "no grad left behind" model. Yeesh. Makes one want to burn one's regalia.
The "official" verification process is called vetting. It is not a function of USC. There are no other rules. Translation: Caught dissembling AGAIN and now trying to throw up a smokescreen to try and cloud that FACT. Further the Supreme Court is the court of last resort on Constitutional matters and has primary jurisdiction over matters concerning the conduct of the Feral Government. Of course the Constitution has proved no impediment, or barely, to the complete corruption of the Feral Government and the defacto establishment of a fascist dictatorship. The only thing remaining between the United States, a once free nation, and a Turd World autocracy is illusion - smoke and mirrors.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Further the Supreme Court is the court of last resort on Constitutional matters and has primary jurisdiction over matters concerning the conduct of the Feral Government. Of course the Constitution has proved no impediment, or barely, to the complete corruption of the Feral Government and the defacto establishment of a fascist dictatorship. The only thing remaining between the United States, a once free nation, and a Turd World autocracy is illusion - smoke and mirrors. The Supreme Court can't do anything about 0bama. They can only interpret the laws UNDER the US Constitution (although you conveniently ignore that little fact) for your typical hand-wringing. There is no federal law for and about verification requirements of POTUS. That process was always up to the states and honorable men chosen within the electoral college. Your hand wringing about the USSC to come to the aid of the country is pure stupidity coupled with ignorance.... and, of course, all the legal challenges prove the same.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I was going to explain something to you. But instead I will just leave you with this. You are a govt shill and an idiot.
Translation: Caught dissembling AGAIN and now trying to throw up a smokescreen to try and cloud that FACT. Further the Supreme Court is the court of last resort on Constitutional matters and has primary jurisdiction over matters concerning the conduct of the Feral Government. Of course the Constitution has proved no impediment, or barely, to the complete corruption of the Feral Government and the defacto establishment of a fascist dictatorship. The only thing remaining between the United States, a once free nation, and a Turd World autocracy is illusion - smoke and mirrors. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nostradumbass: The Supreme Court can't do anything about 0bama. They can only interpret the laws UNDER the US Constitution (although you conveniently ignore that little fact) for your typical hand-wringing. There is no federal law for and about verification requirements of POTUS. That process was always up to the states and honorable men chosen within the electoral college. Your hand wringing about the USSC to come to the aid of the country is pure stupidity coupled with ignorance.... and, of course, all the legal challenges prove the same. Among other things the Constitution is the Supreme LAW of the land. And I quote: Article II Section 1. Para 5: As well it was established in Marbury Vs. Madison (1803) that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter in law of matters regarding the Constitution. Given that the Constitution is the Supreme Law so long as these United States shall be acknowledged to be established and governed under the same then the Supreme Court as final and ultimate arbiter of the legality and legitimacy of actions conducted under same then they have the authority, and the power, to declare Barry, Barack Hussein, Soetoro Obama ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States they therefrom contain the authority to vacate his fraudulent (s)Election and order the usurper to be removed forthwith.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Buckeroo is a worthless drunk.
You lose (as always) ... eligibility is a process not created within the body of the US Constitution by formal declaration, rules, laws or covenants. America has traditionally relied on "vetting"; a process that is outside of jurisprudence. But you can go ahead and pout... that is typical of yourself. In fact, claim that YOU (personally) have all the answers and should be placed into a position or legal authority as you assume. And as you do... I am going to always laff at you since you don't know much more than the reflection of your fine and beautiful persona as you hold up a looking glass towards your own self.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Not to mention cornered and trying to confuse his way out of it by inventing things which are not law and trying to call them law.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I suppose you think there are "federal vetting cops" pre-ordained to watch over the processes of qualification. You are annoying at best. Ever hear about constitutional powers reserved to the states?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestLakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal.
#2. To: buckeroo (#1)
#3. To: Ferret (#2)
I thrived in my job and made helicopter crew chief and sergeant E-5 ....
#4. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, abraxas, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, christine, Critter, IRTorqued, FormerLurker, all (#1)
Lakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal.
#5. To: buckeroo (#3)
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'Just Cause' 'Just Because' in Panama and was alarmed to see graphically that my commander in Chief GHW Bush was a gangster, and that I was a fool being there and should cut my losses and did a scat from that Area of Operation action.
#6. To: buckeroo, Ferret, FormerLurker (#3)
#7. To: Ferret (#5)
Haven't been back to that well since.
#8. To: Original_Intent (#6)
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#9. To: Original_Intent (#4)
So, of course you can provide us with a link to a certified copy of his Birth Certificate - not a digitally "retouched" Certificate of Live Birth (which the State of Hawaii would issue to anyone just upon their word without any proof).
#10. To: Original_Intent (#6)
I think most of us here have "walked the walk".
#11. To: Original_Intent (#7)
"Good for you, a principled choice. I almost went back in during Desert Storm, but concluded it was a put up job, since confirmed, and am glad I didn't allow my desire to serve to override my better judgment."
#12. To: buckeroo (#9)
#13. To: buckeroo (#9)
In form and format, it looks EXACTLY like 0bamas on-line certification, other than the intrinsic information about myself.
#14. To: abraxas (#13)
There is NO reason that Obama couldn't produce his long form BC for this military court and put the matter to rest other than he doesn't have the proof.
#15. To: Ferret (#11)
I feel the same way, that I made a good choice.
#16. To: buckeroo (#10)
#17. To: buckeroo (#14)
The matter was "put to rest" with the political party leaders that ensured his capability for candidacy in the first place. They verified his background and the same data was placed for inspection in front of the opposing party leaders
#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)
... some of us served because they felt the call of duty, not the lure of money, or ease, or personal aggrandizement.
#19. To: abraxas, buggeroo, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Jethro Tull, all (#13)
One must ask: What could be "damaging" about that?
#20. To: abraxas (#17)
When did the electoral
Congress college view the documents?
#21. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, all (#18)
#22. To: buckeroo, abraxas, Buckmonster Fullofit, all (#20)
The electoral college (which actually votes for your esteemed president) has all the data... ask them.
#23. To: Original_Intent (#21)
I am secure in my own conscience and thus do not require your approval, and your disapproval is of no measurable significance.
I made E-5 and Sonar Watch Supervisor before the end of my first enlistment (and was discharged as an E-6). I think most of us here have "walked the walk".
I almost went back in during Desert Storm, but concluded it was a put up job, since confirmed, and am glad I didn't allow my desire to serve to override my better judgement.
#24. To: buckeroo, abraxas, Buckmonster Fullofit, all (#23)
#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)
Oh, boo hoo I am so hurt and discouraged.
#26. To: buckeroo (#20)
#27. To: abraxas (#26)
BTW, the electoral college doesn't verify eligibility.
#28. To: abraxas, buckeroo, 4 (#26)
U.S. Electoral College FAQs -
#29. To: Lod, Buckaroo (#28)
#30. To: Ferret (#0)
#31. To: Shoonra (#30)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#32. To: abraxas (#29)
I would think such data would be readily available and easily found.
#33. To: buckeroo (#25)
#34. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, abraxas, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, Lod (#32)
I would think such data would be readily available and easily found.
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
Translation: Caught dissembling AGAIN and now trying to throw up a smokescreen to try and cloud that FACT.
#36. To: buckeroo (#35)
#37. To: buckeroo (#35)
Me:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." ...
#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)
#39. To: Original_Intent (#37)
.. eligible ..
#40. To: A K A Stone, buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, buckeroo, all (#38)
Buckeroo is a worthless drunk.
#41. To: Original_Intent (#40)
Not to mention cornered and trying to confuse his [buckeroo] way out of it by inventing things which are not law and trying to call them law.
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