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Title: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/02/birther.court.martial/index.html
Published: Sep 6, 2010
Author: By the CNN Wire Staff
Post Date: 2010-09-06 13:10:55 by Ferret
Keywords: None
Views: 556
Comments: 47

(CNN) -- A judge on Thursday denied a request for President Barack Obama to testify at a court martial for a U.S. Army flight surgeon who refused to deploy to Afghanistan until he saw proof that Obama was born in the United States.

The judge, Army Col. Denise Lind, said any evidence or witnesses related to Obama's citizenship is irrelevant to the charges against Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who has 17 years of service in the U.S. military.

After failing to deploy with his unit in April, Lakin was charged with missing a movement, disobeying a lawful order and dereliction of duty.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice says the maximum punishment for both offenses -- missing his plane and disobeying lawful orders -- is a dishonorable discharge and up to two years in confinement. A guilty verdict could also result in forfeiture of Lakin's pay, which totals $7,959 a month, according to a charge sheet provided by a group sponsoring his defense.

Lakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal.

In addition to putting Obama on their witness list, Lakin's lawyers had asked Lind to order Obama's official birth records from Hawaii be brought to court for trial.

"If the president is ineligible, you need to know that," Lakin's civilian attorney, Paul Jensen, told Lind. "Col. Lakin needs to know that, the government needs to know that, America needs to know that."

The prosecutors in the case argued that Obama's eligibility is not relevant because the officers who ordered Lakin to go to Fort Campbell and then ordered him to answer questions about why he didn't go were his proper superiors in the military chain of command, and they gave him legal orders. Jensen later conceded that point.

The judge ruled that the matter of Obama's eligibility is not relevant because he did not give any orders in the case. She pointed out that while the president is commander-in-chief of the military, it is Congress that is constitutionally empowered to raise armies, pay them and equip them.

Any contention that any orders are invalid if the president is ineligible "is erroneous," the judge said.

Lind also said that military law says that a soldier's personal beliefs or convictions are not sufficient to allow that soldier to determine that an order is illegal. The soldier has to have "no rational doubt" that the order is illegal before he or she can ignore it.

Finally she ruled that a military court martial is not the forum in which to determine a president's eligibility, because the Constitution says only Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president.

Afterward, Jensen said he respected the judge's ruling, but called it distressing.

"It completely deprives us of any opportunity to present a defense in this case," Jensen said.

The court martial is set to begin in October, but Jensen said he's not giving up on the matter of Obama's eligibility.

"We will be giving the Army Court of Criminal Appeals in the next week or two the opportunity to take up the issue, and we are going to fight on for justice to be served in this case."

Lakin is among 27 percent of Americans who doubt or deny that Obama is American-born, according to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. They compose the birther movement, which demands that Obama present a birth certificate signed by the doctor who delivered him in 1961.

CNN and other news organizations have thoroughly debunked the rumors about the president's birthplace. The Obama campaign released a copy of a birth record issued by the state in 2007, called a "certification of live birth," and allowed reporters to examine the document in person in 2008.

Last year, Hawaiian state officials issued a statement that they had personally viewed the president's original Hawaiian birth record, called a "certificate of live birth," and verified it to be authentic. State law bars the release of the original certificate. In addition, two Hawaiian newspapers ran notices in 1961 announcing Obama's birth in the state.

CNN's Larry Shaughnessy contributed to this report

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#1. To: Ferret (#0)

Lakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal.

What a dumbshit, Lakin is. He just blew away a possible brilliant career based upon a pile of allegations called 'shit.'

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-06   13:50:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, abraxas, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, christine, Critter, IRTorqued, FormerLurker, all (#1)

Lakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal.

What a dumbshit, Lakin is. He just blew away a possible brilliant career based upon a pile of allegations called 'shit.'

So, of course you can provide us with a link to a certified copy of his Birth Certificate - not a digitally "retouched" Certificate of Live Birth (which the State of Hawaii would issue to anyone just upon their word without any proof).

As well I'm sure you can provide copies of Barry Soetoro's fiancial aid, College Admissions, etc., which show that he applied as a U.S. Citizen and not as a foreign student from Indonesia named Barry Soetoro, who is now sitting in the Oval Office, an Illegal Alien whose Student Visa expired over twenty years ago.

Oh, I forgot. He's hiding all of that and has spent about 2 million dollars in legal fees in order to keep a 25 dollar birth certificate from being produced. Funny how that works. Nothing suspicious here folks - move along, move along, don't look at that man behind the curtain he is unimportant.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-06   14:20:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Original_Intent (#4)

So, of course you can provide us with a link to a certified copy of his Birth Certificate - not a digitally "retouched" Certificate of Live Birth (which the State of Hawaii would issue to anyone just upon their word without any proof).

Recently, I had to produce a copy of my birth certificate for a new requirement about my doctoral candidacy and qualifications. So, I sent off for my official records in California.

In form and format, it looks EXACTLY like 0bamas on-line certification, other than the intrinsic information about myself.

YOU don't know what the HELL you are talking about other than strange gaseous sounds from a pie-hole which is quite usual when you are on-line.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-06   14:29:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#9)

In form and format, it looks EXACTLY like 0bamas on-line certification, other than the intrinsic information about myself.

There is NO reason that Obama couldn't produce his long form BC for this military court and put the matter to rest other than he doesn't have the proof. The argument that it would be public is moot.

The judge says the producing the docs could damage his presidency. WTH does that mean? If Obama wants soldiers to war for him and die for him and follow his orders, then he should be willing to provide the court with any document necessary to prove his Constitutionally required credentials to hold the highest office in this land. It's the least he could do. One must ask: What could be "damaging" about that?

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-06   14:36:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas (#13)

There is NO reason that Obama couldn't produce his long form BC for this military court and put the matter to rest other than he doesn't have the proof.

The matter was "put to rest" with the political party leaders that ensured his capability for candidacy in the first place. They verified his background and the same data was placed for inspection in front of the opposing party leaders.

And beyond all of that certification, the electoral Congress were submitted the same documents.

0bama is America's president. Celebrate his glory... and enjoy his tax-payer relief programs for $100M vacations.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-06   14:44:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#14)

The matter was "put to rest" with the political party leaders that ensured his capability for candidacy in the first place. They verified his background and the same data was placed for inspection in front of the opposing party leaders

I do believe I've asked you to provide the who, what, when, where and how for this "ensured his capability for candidacy" line you continue to toss out.

Who "verified his background" and with what documents? When was this done? What opposing party leaders? McCain--who just happened to face some of the same questions regarding meeting Constitutional requirements to hold office? Gee, I can't think of any reason why one party might just scratch the back of the other party on this one.......

When did the electoral Congress view the documents? What documents did they view? Why hasn't anybody from this "review" spoken out on their process and findings?

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-06   14:49:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#17)

When did the electoral Congress college view the documents?

The electoral college (which actually votes for your esteemed president) has all the data... ask them.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-06   14:58:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#20)

So, what you're saying is you have nothing to offer in regards to your claims. You are saying you don't know the who, what, when, where, why or how of the claims you are making.

BTW, the electoral college doesn't verify eligibility. Read you own historical link on that. The founders of the nation devised the Electoral College system as part of their plan to share power between the states and the national government. They come in at the end of the process, after the voting.

You believe and that, derb nub it, should be good enough for the lot of us. Well, Buck it's NOT good enough, especially since you have less than zero credibility and often offer disinformation.

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-06   15:12:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#27. To: abraxas (#26)

BTW, the electoral college doesn't verify eligibility.

Yes they do.... whether the electoral college actually do anything with the data or not is their individual civic responsibility to the country.

Do you know who nominates the individual members of and about the electoral college in the first place?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-06 15:17:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas, buckeroo, 4 (#26)

U.S. Electoral College FAQs -

www.archives.gov/federal-...lectoral-college/faq.html

Lod  posted on  2010-09-06 15:24:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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