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Title: Quran Burning Pastor: Judaism, Other Religions "Of The Devil"
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Published: Sep 8, 2010
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Quran Burning Pastor: Judaism, Other Religions "Of The Devil" Posted by CBS News Investigates 2 comments * Share 33 * 0diggsdigg * * Share * E-mail * Print * Font An excerpt from a deposition of Pastor Terry Jones, August 10, 2010. Pastor Terry Jones who caused international controversy with his Quran burning plan, believes that Islam is "of the devil" and apparently has similar problems with other religions. Last month, in a deposition from a court case in which Jones was a witness, attorney Michael Spellman asked Jones what else he believed was "of the devil." Q. And you believe that everything that is not from god is of the devil. Is that right? A. Yeah, I guess so. Uh-huh. Then again, it depends on what you're talking about. I don't believe necessarily baseball is from the devil because it's not from god. But I mean, basically in general, I believe that if it's not from god, it's from the devil. Right. Q. Is Hinduism of the devil? A. Yes, of course. Q. Buddhism? A. .Yeah. Q. How about Judaism? A. Yes.
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#5. To: PaulCJ (#3)
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but Christians are called to a higher moral standard. The standard of loving a perceived enemy, turning the other cheek and treating others as they would like to be treated. Christ nullified the notion of retribution being a correct course of action and asked much more of his followers. Intolerance is not to be repaid for intolerance, nor should it have backlashes. Have you considered that this action may result in the spilling of blood? Is it worth it? Is this the course of action Jesus instructs for his followers?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Greek has three words for enemy. One for an enemy of your people, one for a personal or professional rival, and one for someone who hates you personally. It is to this last class that "loving an enemy" applies. Christians do not have to love the enemies of their people.
“Ask any Indian nation how it preserves itself. It isn’t by letting anyone and everyone claim to be Indian. There are exceptions, but they are not the rule.” -- Eric Holder
Americans do not turn the other cheek. If we did, we would still be British.
This standard of altruism and self-sacrifice is exactly what is wrong with the Christian religion, which was given to us by the Jews to bring about our downfall. It is the tool our enemies use against us. They do not share our values which gives them a tremendous strategic advantage as they hold us up to our "superior morality" while they slip the knife in our backs! "Peace in our time" Neville Chamberlaine
lol!! this point actually deserves some serious examination.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 It all depends on what IS is. This guy is an Ass-hole. A Zionist media flunky.
When the self flagellating, Sharia loving children of god gather to protest this man's constitutional right to burn their holy book, I suggest we employ one of the many Muslim Outreach techniques the elite have developed. Should they fail, perhaps a liberal showering of Zyklon B as a second course.
If that assine zealot, Pastor Terry Jones, really knew Jesus Christ as the warmonger claims, he would otherwise follow Christ's perspective: "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise - Luke 6:21"; this is often called the Golden rule, "do unto others as they do unto you." The US is shitting all over these guys in the ME. This book burning crap by a preacherman PROVES a serious problem.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Historians have estimated that approximately 40–45% of the colonists actively supported the rebellion while 15–20% of the population of the thirteen colonies remained loyal to the British Crown. The remaining 35–45% attempted to remain neutral. At least 25,000 Loyalists fought on the side of the British. lol More than half did turn the other cheeck. Luckily, the French were happy to kick some Brit butt and help out. I think a good portion of the fighting Americans were convicts sent over on the ships to clean up Brit society, not Christians.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I mentioned that one, but many Christians believe there are loopholes to the Golden Rule that do not apply to them.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It is the tool our enemies use against us. How can this be true? When have the enemies ever found any Christians actually following the Golden Rule, loving the enemy or turning the other cheek? The most zealous Christians have multiple excuses as to why none of that applies to them. Our downfall is WITHIN our own government, not TERRORISTS or COMMIES or any other nebulous enemy that merely provides justification to make massive profits for war profiteers. Sheesh, our own government doesn't share our values, which gives them tremendous strategic advantage to promote fear and warmongering and make us all debt slaves to nebulous knife toting "enemies" all over the globe.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I wonder what our resident 4um self- proclaimed "Christian" fundie has to say about all of this. Assuming he isn't playing with his snakes or drinking "holy water" or teaching the Talmud among his heathen brethren, his eventual reply should tickle our funny bones.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Sheesh, our own government doesn't share our values, which gives them tremendous strategic advantage to promote fear and warmongering and make us all debt slaves to nebulous knife toting "enemies" all over the globe. Yes! 100% correct. It's our own government! For the people, Of the People, By the people. We incorrectly assume that our own government has our interests at heart. Naive, stupid, gullible people. Insular, arrogant, but holier than thou. Never mind, God will save us from our enemies, as long as we turn the other cheek and LOVE them. Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just don't buy into it.
lol........never be sorry for sarcasm. It can be very effective. Who will save us from our goobermint? ; )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Best summation of religion I've ever seen came from Family Guy, to wit: Peter Griffin: But then, Jesus, what religion should our family be? Jesus Christ: Six of one, they're all complete crap.
The GOOBERMINT R US. Once we shit or get off the pot.
No, angK, APATHY is the majority of us.....not you and I, of course. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We only needed illustrations of Muhommad to illustrate that. lol
Heat wave... forest fires... Russia...... yet no sign of JohnA! :-P
Like Ireland. lol
Heat wave... forest fires... Russia...... yet no sign of JohnA! :-P
I think we should shove the Koran up George Bush's ass for allowing so many of them to enter the US after 9/11. Then find a Koran for the ADL, GOP, DNC etc.
It's about time somebody started giving the muslims hell about their death- cult. It's revealing to see conservative radio-pundits (Laura Ingraham, et al) align themselves with the "religion" of "peace and love" and criticize Christians and, by extension, Western Civilization. __________________________________________________________ A. Yes, of course. Q. Buddhism? A. .Yeah. Q. How about Judaism? A. Yes. I like his consistency. Given the manufactured media outrage and scolding by Grandma Petraeus, I have decided this guy should go ahead and burn the Korans. It's the principle of the thing now.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
The Kol Nidre: The Prayer of the Synagogue of Satan
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Seriously. If Obeyme and his cohorts were saying the same thing to the "imam" building the mosque on the site of ground zero, then I'd reconsider it and say cooler heads should prevail. Instead we have, as usual, the progressive voices screaming out "tolerance!" and "property rights!" for hate filled Muslims while simultaneously telling us not to exercise our own rights to freedom of speech. Did you see that "imam" Rauf say just recently that "if we can't build the mosque on ground zero, then that will inflame Muslims as it will show the radicals in America won". In other words, you will let us build the mosque, or Muslims will commit violence. Amazing world we're living in. I am for freedom of religion, I am for property rights. I think both "sides" have every right to do what they wish, without any justification, based on both property rights and freedom of speech. That said, what I'm not for, is thinly veiled or even open threats. So far, Islam and its proponents are making two threats: 1) You will let us build our Victory Mosque on Ground zero...or else violence! Both messages are openly backed up by the occupying junta in the White House. Stunning. So yeah, burn that damned cult book, and burn lots of them and film it now, I say. It's not even remotely the Christian thing to do, however, it's a matter of principle now. I'm tired of the threats and intimidation. And frankly, let's lay the blame where it needs to be placed, on the shoulders of those who threaten violence, not on the shoulders of those who are not committing violence.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
I'm expecting Petraeus to scold us for that too. First he blames Israel for inflaming the locals that we invaded, then he blames some crank preacher who is going to burn a few Korans in a stupid media circus (staged around a complete non-news event). There are some twenty translations of Koran into English. Some are pretty slanted toward the jihadist readings. Others are much milder in authorizing or demanding jihad. It is the jihadist translations and promotion of Wahhabism by our Saudi "allies" that cause the most trouble. I think you know that burning books isn't ever really the answer. I also find the selective outrage over this interesting. You could burn black (or white) churches and get a lot less attention. And the media always demanded freedom of expression for things like the Maplethorpe exhibit and other rancid works of supposed art. But let one obscure old preacher and his little flock of fifty threaten to burn a Koran and the libmedia turns it into a worldwide drama. In truth, it is total non-news. Who cares if some cranky little church burns a Koran? It's far more annoying to have the national media attacking these people and making an international spectacle of it.
Yes! (can they still burn it after the shoving?)
Petraeus seems enamored with police states and control. Probably spent too much time prosecuting illegal military actions on behalf of petty tyrants is my guess. :) Quite so. And if you bring up the jihadist translations, the more radical Muslims will point to the watered down version and snivel "see, there's nothing there". Then return to their caves and read the more "pure" versions before going out to cut the heads off of women. Yes, I despise Islam. And I have since at least the early/mid 1990's, it's not a new thing. I know it is not, per se. However, the right to do so is now coming under fire, even from the White House. Since I support the right, even if the exercise of that right is stupid, I have to advocate for not backing down at this point. It's a private individual, not the government doing it, with his own property. It will solve nothing, and prove nothing as in the actual burning (and, I do find book burning repugnant). But the right is now coming under attack, that I will not tolerate. Precisely! I used this as an example yesterday on another forum. For the progressives, it's just fine to use tax money to create "piss Christ" and they celebrate and dance in the streets. But by golly, don't you dare offend "The Religion Of Peace" or they'll kill people. I agree. I have to think that there is for a reason though. Any one of us could go out right now and burn a Koran on our front lawn without the hoopla (until after the fact). Why there was a need by the loon to make an announcement far ahead of time to generate this kind of crap is beyond me.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Practically every white pastor and priest in America is betraying his white congregation. Why? God loves you, and he needs a tax exemption.
“Ask any Indian nation how it preserves itself. It isn’t by letting anyone and everyone claim to be Indian. There are exceptions, but they are not the rule.” -- Eric Holder
This preacher is also a textual fundamentalist type. I haven't found out yet if he is a KJV-only fundamentalist type but it would fit. So he does have something in common with the jihadis. There is a kind of fixation on particular ancient languages. Like the Bible or the Koran. It tends to attract textual fanatics. It's entirely the fault of the national media. If there is some kind of backlash, it will result directly from their obsessive coverage of it. This is the kind of meaningless story that should be ignored.
What you describe is typical of those that use religion to advance a political agenda. They don't give 2 shits about the religious and moral principles in their own texts. Christian and Muslim leaders do it. It's just another tool in teh authoritarians toolbox. IMO religion and state fused together played a valid role to bring about civilization, but it has long outlasted its usefulness and does more harm than good. We have civilization now, but religions are destroying what was gained by religion, as it was a part of the state. Religion should be personal, not public, because it's always misused. Just having a discussion on the topic can hardly be done without causing problems. So, what we have here are 2 different religions with leaders having political goals. Is it any wonder that there are problems here? .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
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That's something the Amish got right from the get go. No huge Church that everybody pays hommage to. They just meet in each others home on the sabbath and have modest, quiet services, then a nice meal. If I were to pick any "organized" religion as being the most consistent, it would have to be the old order Amish.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
No allegiance to Uncle Sambo either !
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." Jesus Christ speaking to the Rabbis of his day.
Hebrew also has no word at all for "mankind." Greek does, but it is not to anthropon that salvation is promised. It is the nations that shall be redeemed.
“Ask any Indian nation how it preserves itself. It isn’t by letting anyone and everyone claim to be Indian. There are exceptions, but they are not the rule.” -- Eric Holder
H120 ”8;•1;–1; 'adam aw-dawm' From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person. The KJ and probably most others translated this word into both "Adam" and "man". Just more translational shenanigans, that's all.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
I think so too. You can easily read these most ancient portions of scripture and see that they were sophisticated people. The idea that they had no concept of mankind, given their tribalism and religion, is almost unthinkable. They used figurative language for this. Almost every language has certain topics that have to be expressed in a figurative sense as they lack specific words for certain things that we have words for in English or other modern languages. In English, we lack the gender of many of Europe's languages. You always have to read scripture with a deep knowledge of the ancient cultures they were written about.
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The intolerance towards christians and americans in general has been going on for decades. Such abuse causes backlashes. If the only destructive backlash to this ongoing abuse is the burning of a few korans, instead of blood in the streets, then we should count ourselves fortunate.
#6. To: abraxas (#5)
The standard of loving a perceived enemy, turning the other cheek and treating others as they would like to be treated.
#7. To: abraxas (#5)
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but Christians are called to a higher moral standard. The standard of loving a perceived enemy, turning the other cheek and treating others as they would like to be treated.
#8. To: abraxas (#5)
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but Christians are called to a higher moral standard. The standard of loving a perceived enemy, turning the other cheek and treating others as they would like to be treated.
#9. To: PaulCJ, *Post Of The Day* (#7)
Americans do not turn the other cheek. If we did, we would still be British.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#10. To: tom007 (#0)
Yeah, I guess so. Uh-huh. Then again, it depends on what you're talking about. I don't believe necessarily baseball is from the devil because it's not from god. But I mean, basically in general, I believe that if it's not from god, it's from the devil. Right
#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#6)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
When the self flagellating, Sharia loving children of god gather to protest this man's constitutional right to burn their holy book, I suggest we employ one of the many Muslim Outreach techniques the elite have developed. Should they fail, perhaps a liberal showering of Zyklon B as a second course.
#13. To: PaulCJ (#7)
Americans do not turn the other cheek. If we did, we would still be British.
#14. To: buckeroo (#12)
he would otherwise follow Christ's perspective: "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise - Luke 6:21"; this is often called the Golden rule, "do unto others as they do unto you."
#15. To: angK (#8)
This standard of altruism and self-sacrifice is exactly what is wrong with the Christian religion, which was given to us by the Jews to bring about our downfall.
#16. To: abraxas, A K A Stone (#14)
I mentioned that one, but many Christians believe there are loopholes to the Golden Rule that do not apply to them.
#17. To: abraxas (#15)
Our downfall is WITHIN our own government, not TERRORISTS or COMMIES or any other nebulous enemy that merely provides justification to make massive profits for war profiteers.
#18. To: angK (#17)
Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just don't buy into it.
#19. To: abraxas (#18)
#20. To: abraxas (#18)
Who will save us from our goobermint? ; )
#21. To: angK (#20)
#22. To: PaulCJ (#3)
I think it will bring the muslim fanatics out of the woodwork and show how intolerant muslims really are.
#23. To: PaulCJ (#7)
Americans do not turn the other cheek. If we did, we would still be British.
#24. To: tom007 (#0)
#25. To: tom007 (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#26. To: tom007 (#0)
Q. Is Hinduism of the devil?
#27. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#6)
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#27)
#29. To: Itistoolate (#28)
#30. To: TooConservative (#26)
Given the manufactured media outrage and scolding by Grandma Petraeus, I have decided this guy should go ahead and burn the Korans. It's the principle of the thing now.
2) You will refrain from exercising traditional American freedom of speech...or else violence!
#31. To: SonOfLiberty (#30)
Did you see that "imam" Rauf say just recently that "if we can't build the mosque on ground zero, then that will inflame Muslims as it will show the radicals in America won". In other words, you will let us build the mosque, or Muslims will commit violence.
So yeah, burn that damned cult book, and burn lots of them and film it now, I say. It's not even remotely the Christian thing to do, however, it's a matter of principle now. I'm tired of the threats and intimidation. And frankly, let's lay the blame where it needs to be placed, on the shoulders of those who threaten violence, not on the shoulders of those who are not committing violence.
#32. To: Undocumented (#24)
I think we should shove the Koran up George Bush's ass for allowing so many of them to enter the US after 9/11. Then find a Koran for the ADL, GOP, DNC etc.
#33. To: TooConservative (#31)
I'm expecting Petraeus to scold us for that too. First he blames Israel for inflaming the locals that we invaded, then he blames some crank preacher who is going to burn a few Korans in a stupid media circus (staged around a complete non-news event).
There are some twenty translations of Koran into English. Some are pretty slanted toward the jihadist readings. Others are much milder in authorizing or demanding jihad. It is the jihadist translations and promotion of Wahhabism by our Saudi "allies" that cause the most trouble.
I think you know that burning books isn't ever really the answer.
And the media always demanded freedom of expression for things like the Maplethorpe exhibit and other rancid works of supposed art. But let one obscure old preacher and his little flock of fifty threaten to burn a Koran and the libmedia turns it into a worldwide drama.
In truth, it is total non-news. Who cares if some cranky little church burns a Koran? It's far more annoying to have the national media attacking these people and making an international spectacle of it.
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#27)
#35. To: SonOfLiberty (#33)
Quite so. And if you bring up the jihadist translations, the more radical Muslims will point to the watered down version and snivel "see, there's nothing there". Then return to their caves and read the more "pure" versions before going out to cut the heads off of women.
I agree. I have to think that there is for a reason though. Any one of us could go out right now and burn a Koran on our front lawn without the hoopla (until after the fact). Why there was a need by the loon to make an announcement far ahead of time to generate this kind of crap is beyond me.
#36. To: SonOfLiberty, JT, all (#30)
1) You will let us build our Victory Mosque on Ground zero...or else violence! 2) You will refrain from exercising traditional American freedom of speech...or else violence!
#37. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#34)
#38. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
The smaller churches, usually more as they're supposed to be, small and interactive, and the ones that do not have an "established church constitution" or the like, are better. But they're also hard to find and often are also very superficial from a doctrinal perspective.
#39. To: SonOfLiberty (#38)
That's something the Amish got right from the get go.
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
#41. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#40)
#42. To: PSUSA (#41)
The KJ and probably most others translated this word into both "Adam" and "man". Just more translational shenanigans, that's all.
#43. To: SonOfLiberty (#38)
#44. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#40)
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