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Title: USA Today Poll Regarding the 2nd Amendment
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Published: Sep 8, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-09-08 16:51:26 by James Deffenbach
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A friend sent me the following email about a poll regarding gun rights and the second amendment. Gun poll TAKES 2 SECONDS They are hoping you won't remember when you vote in November. Obama's new idiot Attorney General, Eric Holder , has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms. Here's what you need to do: First - vote on this one. Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published. The Question is: "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?" Click on the link below and PLEASE vote! Actually the question is worded wrong. No amendment gives or confers any rights on anyone to do anything. The founding fathers would tell you that too. They included the amendments, specifically the Bill of Rights, in order to guarantee/protect rights you already had. But the Constitution is not self enforcing and evil people have conspired to deny our rights in various ways. I have voted in that poll before and will again but I have also told them that they worded it wrong. And I guess I will again. The following excerpt is from 111 U.S. 746 - Butchers' Union Slaughter-House Live-Stock Landing Co v. Crescent City a case decided in 1884. At that time people knew that no words written on any piece of paper, no matter how eloquent they might be or how nice the paper or parchment they put them on, gave anyone any rights. It would be strange indeed if the people, some of which comprised the militia, would have had to wait until the second amendment was adopted before they could "keep and bear arms." "...As in our intercourse with our fellow-men certain principles of morality are assumed to exist, without which society would be impossible, so certain inherent rights lie at the foundation of all action, and upon a recognition of them alone can free institutions be maintained. These inherent rights have never been more happily expressed than in the declaration of independence, that new evangel of liberty to the people: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident'—that is, so plain that their truth is recognized upon their mere statement—'that all men are endowed'—not by edicts of emperors, or deerees of parliament, or acts of congress, but 'by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.'—that is, rights which cannot be bartered away, or given away, or taken away, except in punishment of crime—'and tha among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; and to secure these'—not grant them, but secure them—'governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.' Among these inalienable rights, as proclaimed in that great document, is the right of men to pursue their happiness, by which is meant the right to pursue any lawful business or vocation, in any manner not inconsistent with the equal rights of others, which may increase their prosperity or develop their faculties, so as to give to them their highest enjoyment. The common business and callings of life, the ordinary trades and pursuits, which are innocuous in themselves, and have been followed in all communities from time immemorial, must therefore be free in this country to all alike upon the same conditions. The right to pursue them, without let or hinderance, except that which is applied to all persons of the same age, sex, and condition, is a distinguishing privilege of citizens of the United States, and an essential element of that freedom which they claim as their birthright. It has been well said that 'the property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands, and to hinder his employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property. It is a manifest encroachment upon the just liberty both of the workman and of those who might be disposed to employ him. As it hinders the one from working at what he thinks proper, so it hinders the others from employing whom they think proper.' Smith, Wealth Nat. bk. 1, c. 10...."
Poster Comment: And it should be noted that if one group of well-intentioned men could grant you some rights by acknowledging them and writing them on one piece of paper, another group of men with bad intentions could take them away by writing contradictory words on another piece of paper.
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
2A or no 2A, I have them, they aren't getting them back. So I don't care what SCOTUS or anyone else says about the matter.
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Current results: Total Votes: 7254139
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
I agree.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Thanks for the update. I hate when polls ask misleading questions. But whoever worded it probably did so out of ignorance, not malice (at least I hope so).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I did answer "yes", but my real answer is "No". If the question was; "Do human beings have the right to bear arms?", my answer is "Yes". My point being that no gunverment can unilaterally take away a right. They may punish you for getting caught doing it, but even if there were a law banning guns entirely, I could still bear arms if I so choose. Peace.
I agree with that 100%. Even criminals have the right to bear arms after they have served their time. Not that that is recognized in most cases. But the way I see it, if they are too dangerous to have weapons for self defense they are too dangerous to ever let out of prison.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Holder is correct.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The poll question is mis-worded: You can be "given" a privilege, but not a fundamental human right. Such rights are possessed intrinsically, and can neither be granted nor taken away. Governemnts can choose to either respect rights, or infringe them. The most fundamental intrinsic right is the right to liberty, which is the right to do whatever does not violate the rights of others. To deny that right is to deny yourself the right to do anything at all, including denying the right to liberty.
#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
97% - Yes
2% - No
1% - Undecided
#3. To: PSUSA (#1)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#4. To: mirage (#2)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
"Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"
#6. To: Lysander_Spooner (#5)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#7. To: James Deffenbach, all (#0)
Obama's new idiot Attorney General, Eric Holder , has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms.
#8. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
 | To paraphrase Einstein, "Government should be as powerless as possible, but not so powerless that it cannot perform its sole function (the protection of individual rights.)" |
#9. To: sourcery (#8)
Excellent post.
#10. To: sourcery (#8)
Yes, I said it was not worded correctly.
The poll question is mis-worded
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Bingo!
And it should be noted that if one group of well-intentioned men could grant you some rights by acknowledging them and writing them on one piece of paper, another group of men with bad intentions could take them away by writing contradictory words on another piece of paper.
#12. To: Lod (#11)
Thank you sir.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#13. To: buckeroo (#7) (Edited)
Bucky, Bucky, Bucky We buy you books, we buy you shoes, we send you to school and you think Holder aka "The Butcher of Waco" is a Constitutional scholar? Are you saying the 2nd Amendment is NOT an individual right? Good grief Buck, lay off the cheap stuff.
Holder is correct.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#14. To: Flintlock (#13)
Buck knows the truth, he just likes to jerk-around with us from time to time. Seeing who'll rise up to the bait...
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
It should have been worded, "Does the Second Amendment protect an individual's right to keep and bear arms?"
But whoever worded it probably did so out of ignorance, not malice (at least I hope so).
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
#16. To: mirage (#15)
Yes, that would have been more correct.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#17. To: Flintlock (#13)
Holder sez: He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. according to Jimmy. If Holder actually suggests this viewpoint (which I doubt), he is correct. God grants rights ... not any man-made paper under the Sun no matter the age or historical content. What the Second Amendment is supposed to guarantee is that the government does not trespass or INFRINGE upon the same explicit and implied rights. It is indeed an individual right no matter where you live on this planet.
Are you saying the 2nd Amendment is NOT and individual right?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#18. To: Lod (#14)
See above post.
Seeing who'll rise up to the bait...
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#19. To: buckeroo (#18)
Correct. Rights are not legislated, they are God-given. They are un-a-lien-able. Everyone! say, and pronounce it slowly, and savor it...un-a-lien-able. Good night and rest well, all.
It is indeed an individual right no matter where you live on this planet.
#20. To: buckeroo (#17)
Even a buckeroo is right once in a while.
It is indeed an individual right no matter where you live on this planet.
#21. To: Lod (#14)
Gulp
Seeing who'll rise up to the bait...
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#22. To: buckeroo (#17)
But what if there is no "god", who's in change then?
God grants rights ...
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#23. To: Flintlock (#22)
'if there was no god it would be necessary to create him' - François-Marie Arouet aka "Voltaire"; circa 1750
But what if there is no "god", who's in change then?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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