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Title: Former senator, engineers offer ‘proof’ of 9/11 controlled demolitions
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2010-09-10 10:43:08 by Ada
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The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers. But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition. At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition." The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report. "That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building." His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed." Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11. "Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE." San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse. "The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials." But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers." On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers. -- Rapid onset of "collapse" -- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction -- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration -- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds -- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional -- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e. -- Slow onset with large visible deformations -- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires) -- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed". Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7." "Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse. "All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them." "Justice for all." What's wrong with calling for a transparent, internationally-supported investigation? I want to know what happened that day to all of those buildings, and I want the chain of events that happened up to their collapse. Don't care how ugly the truth is, I just want to know. Why is asking for an independent investigation so bad? I'm not an engineering expert, but ALL of the buildings collapsing (WTC 1, 2, 7) look just like every other controlled demolition video I've seen from around the world. The pieces of the day's events (NORAD, Bin Laden's family being sent out, etc) don't fit together right. It just smells fishy. Who got fired for not doing their job? Who went to jail for criminal negligence? People of authority responding "nothing to see here, move along" aren't helping convince me that what we're being told is the truth. I just want to see Justice. Isn't wanting "Justice for all" patriotic?
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#26. To: titorite (#19)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
LOL. I knew it. I think that is not an uncommon tale of woe among the Truther clan.
BBC Correspondent says MOSSAD did 9/11 and Iran doesn't want Nukes
Well, no one could possibly question the neutrality and professionalism of the BBC. [/sarc]
9/11 Truth from Director of US ARMY War College
I don't think Richard Perle was ever a student or the head of the War College.
There's a man who vanished quicker than the imaginary Iraqi WMDs
Last I heard, he and several other key neocons were swirling around the Caspian pipelines. I suspect he was a key player in the trouble in Georgia, along with Israel. Russia put a swift end to that and to Georgia/Ukraine entering NATO.
As you will have noticed if you took the trouble to watch the video, that is a still of Perle in the YouTube. This is Sabrosky below. Dr. Alan Sabrosky I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Ah, another Authoritarian outs himself, lol. Rigid central control is working so well in Afghanistan,and Iraq, for the US. OMG it worked so well in the USSR, that beacon of rigid central control, and Cuba, and the Nazis have prosperred with that plan for generations.....lol. Or is rigid central control the way your gay lover does you in the ass with his strapon !!? lol Our "W" is on the horizon, but don't worry you can still get your strap-on in prison where you and the real perps will likely end up. Peace.
Good eye.
TooCon doesn't have to look at the evidence in order to make his judgment. He is all knowing.
Excellent video, thankyou.
No. I was pointing out that Truthers operate as a variety of cultists but not under any central control, have no messianic or charismatic leader. Anyway, I can see you guys have gathered for another of your little Truther circle jerks and that's just not my scene so I'll leave you to the moaning sounds of your little echo chamber.
I am well aware that cultists often have compiled obsessive lists with which to bombard any poor soul that falls into their clutches. So, no, I don't generally look at your "evidence". Especially since it rarely turns out to be what you claim it to be. As it turns out, Truther fanatics are pretty untruthful. Funny how that works.
Do you ever look at ANY evidence that doesn't "catapult the propaganda" of the government's official fairy tale? Seriously, do you believe the tale they told about the events of 9/11?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I've said many times that I don't believe they held a complete investigation, that much was withheld or simply ignored. That doesn't mean I'm jumping through the Looking Glass just becuase you think I should.
lots of people did do a thurough investigation of many aspects of the sept 11'th events. You should read their information. Lots of people sacrificed careers to put that info together. Some people died trying to spread that info too.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I'm not saying you should, or shouldn't, do anything. I was just curious if you believed the bs story they told about it. About how some raghead in a cave overwhelmed what is alleged to be the best military force in the world and caused NORAD to stand down, melted steel with Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™ and all the other insane things they would have you believe. I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night and I don't believe their wild tale for a minute and think people who do have some serious issues and need help.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I think there is a lot we haven't been told, much more they won't allow to be investigated. Like how this bunch should have been caught and deported before 9/11. Like how it appears (to me) that the attack was timed to coincide with our civil defense drills. Like how maybe a lot of buildings really aren't up to the published specs, despite (corrupt) inspectors. Or there is something even more fundamentally wrong with their design. I do find it ironic that I reject the official 9/11 Commission Report as a complete and truthful account, something that many people would think makes me a Truther but you guys are on another planet from me. Some of you guys are the rather exotic Truther types. Some of you have got your antigravity and energy weapons (from the alien UFO stuff at Area 51) and nano-thermite and mini-nukes.
...that's where we come in.
Who, Bush and Cheney?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Mmmmmmmmm... mini-nukes.
That's nothing, even the people who worked on it said it was crap.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Well, we can try to help.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. They gotta stop making them out of concrete and steel. They just crumble everytime someone puts explosives in them.
Why, you're like a missionary, called to saving the perspiring masses from their evil leaders.
I'm very suspicious of construction quality on the eastern seaboard. I've expected for many years to hear news that New York City just collapsed entirely.
I think 7 got hit with a few drops of the Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™. No plane hit it so that must be the explanation.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I've always said WTC7 is the Truthers' strongest case. There simply is no good explanation even offered for what happened to it.
7 is "the smoking gun." No way to explain it other than controlled demolition. Many skyscrapers have had fires that burned much longer and much hotter and never fell. And yet, we have three in one day, none of which should have fallen even with the planes hitting them (and of course no plane hit 7 at all). The chief engineer on the project said that a plane strike would be like a pencil going through a mosquito netting or a screen on a door. Make a hole where it went in but the building could withstand it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Check out my new 9/11-related thread. Sure looks like some coverup is going on.
The future of the Truther movement is declining numbers, an ongoing stream of literature by clever con-men to peddle to the faithful as the decades unfold until all of you die off around 2070 or so. These conspiracy groups are like cults. One key difference is that they do not have a single leader but have many nutjob leaders. It is a form of cultism that is personally defined, not under rigid central control. Yeah those "Architects and Engineers" are known for the cult tendencies. But, what does it say about you that you pride yourself on your Rove-Gannon-Speak? (which comically enough mirrors Hillary's allegations of a "vast right wing conspiracy") And this press conference in the nation's capital was two days ago. Hardly evidence of a movement past its prime. Especially since none of the proof is worthy of point by point rebuttal. You and your ilk are only interested in frantic attempts at character assassination or clowning. You can keep whistling past the cemetery but keep your passports current.
One concern of mine is any member of AK's congressional delegation must use airplanes, and it's not unusual for them to use small bush and float planes to reach the interior and extreme coastal areas. This is the reason that more than a few famous people and politicians have gone down and died in plane crashes, and it would make it very easy to eliminate any potential problem, like former Sen. Ted Stevens and 9/11 widow Beverly Eckert. (who died in a passenger turboprop crash in New York) If I was part of that delegation I'd resolve to never fly home again or to keep my mouth shut when talking about something that will ultimately lead to the Mossad and criminals in the US govt and Israel's amen corner.
I think you'll find Gravel is in no danger. In fact, I think the gooberment would love it if you designated him as the official spokesman for Truth.
Yes, I know. For the coming day of the Great Awakening of the Truth of 9/11. When you, the faithful saints, will pursue all unbelievers and put them in prison or something. I've read these kinds of veiled threats from the Truthers for years. I find them quite humorous.
The few small fires in WTC 7 could probably have been put out with fire extinguishers. Yet, WTC 7 witness, Barry Jennings (who surfaced through Dylan Avery of Loose Change) mentions no such firefighting attempts by him or anyone else. In fact, his testimony sounds more like a vaudville act: In case of fire, break glass. And apparently that's all he deemed it was of use to him for under the circumstances -- breaking out a window. So why is that? Evidently, there were fire extinguishers on the premises and broken water lines don't explain it either because there was also this on the scene: 9/11 Fireboat That Could - the John J. Harvey N E W Y O R K, Sept. 14 — In the panic of Sept. 11, 2001, as tens of thousands of people tried to leave the island of Manhattan, an aging boat once headed for the scrap heap became a hero of sorts. On 9/11, the John J. Harvey raced to Pier 11, evacuating 150 terrified, dust- covered people. Then came a second call. Firemen battling blazes at the World Trade Center had no water because the twin towers had fallen on the water lines. "The water mains were destroyed, so there was no other source of water available, except for the river," said Tim Ivory, a mechanic who is Harvey's engineer. The fireboat works by sucking in the water it floats on. The Harvey's pumps can shoot 20,000 gallons a minute. Retired by the New York City Fire Department in 1994, the Harvey was supposed to be sold for scrap, but eight fireboat lovers bought it in 1999. They were thinking of making it a floating bar when Ivory said, "Wait, I think we can make it work again." And they did, having no idea how useful it would prove be. For three days, the Harvey joined three active-duty fireboats to provide the only water there was to keep the 9/11 fires from getting worse. [end excerpt] -------- Floating bar...Ivory...soap commercial? Ya can't make this stuff up, right? In any case, they have some 'splaining to do about why 3 fireboats, which could pump about 20,000 gallons a minute each, were available there but "Building 7 had unfought fires". At the very least, Guilliani and his whole office of Emergency Management should be arrested for public endangerment through their gross negligence and mismanagement of the situation.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I'm open to it. I just require evidence, a trait lacking among Truthers who jump to claim wild conspiracies, nano-thermite, antigravity and energy weapons, and Area 51 technology from UFOs was used to bring down WTC. The Truthers have never weeded out the con-men and nutjobs in their ranks. That's probably the major reason why people think they are kooks, because they let kooks speak for them. I expect this pattern will continue because the Truthers still don't grasp how damaging this is and how it plays into the hands of those who want to promulgate the gooberment's ridiculous "investigation" and the 9/11 Commission report.
These conspiracy groups are like cults. yeah, just like those who still continue to talk about the Kennedy assassination, huh? i believe that the 9/11 truth movement is global and that only those working for government in some capacity or another and have their selfish asses to protect are the majority of those who continue to believe the government CONSPIRACY. con•spir•a•cy
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#27. To: LACUMO (#21)
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#26)
I for one get tired of some of my friends and family members that regardless of what I show them think I'm a kook...
#29. To: TooConservative (#28)
#30. To: Itistoolate (#29)
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
#32. To: Itistoolate (#31)
#33. To: TooConservative, 4 (#32)
Richard Perle
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
There's a man who vanished quicker than the imaginary Iraqi WMDs
#35. To: TooConservative (#32)
I don't think Richard Perle was ever a student or the head of the War College
#36. To: TooConservative, Ada, Richard Gage, 4, Lod, wudidiz (#12)
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under rigid central control.
#37. To: Lysander_Spooner (#36)
#38. To: randge, TooConservative (#35)
#39. To: Itistoolate (#29)
#40. To: Lysander_Spooner, wudidiz (#36)
Ah, another Authoritarian outs himself, lol.
#41. To: wudidiz (#38)
TooCon doesn't have to look at the evidence in order to make his judgment.
#42. To: TooConservative (#41)
So, no, I don't generally look at your "evidence".
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#42)
Seriously, do you believe the tale they told about the events of 9/11?
#44. To: TooConservative (#43)
#45. To: TooConservative (#43)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#45)
I'm not saying you should, or shouldn't, do anything. I was just curious if you believed the bs story they told about it. About how some raghead in a cave overwhelmed what is alleged to be the best military force in the world and caused NORAD to stand down, melted steel with Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™ and all the other insane things they would have you believe.
#47. To: TooConservative, James Deffenbach (#45)
...and need help....
#48. To: TooConservative (#46)
Like how this bunch should have been caught and deported before 9/11.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#49. To: TooConservative (#46)
Some of you guys are the rather exotic Truther types. Some of you have got your antigravity and energy weapons (from the alien UFO stuff at Area 51) and nano-thermite and mini-nukes.
#50. To: TooConservative (#46)
I do find it ironic that I reject the official 9/11 Commission Report as a complete and truthful account
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#51. To: wudidiz (#47)
...that's where we come in.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#52. To: James Deffenbach, TooConservative (#51)
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Like how maybe a lot of buildings really aren't up to the published specs, despite (corrupt) inspectors. Or there is something even more fundamentally wrong with their design.
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
Well, we can try to help.
#54. To: wudidiz (#52)
They gotta stop making them out of concrete and steel. They just crumble everytime someone puts explosives in them.
#55. To: wudidiz (#52)
They gotta stop making them out of concrete and steel. They just crumble everytime someone puts explosives in them.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#56. To: James Deffenbach (#55)
I think 7 got hit with a few drops of the Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™. No plane hit it so that must be the explanation.
#57. To: TooConservative (#56)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#58. To: James Deffenbach, wudidiz, all (#57)
#59. To: TooConservative, RickyJ (#12)
The 9/11 Truth movement peaked 3-4 years ago, part of the Bush-hate peddled by the old elements of the "professional Left", namely the old academic commie ideologues that led the "antiwar" movement (but think Obongo-war is just fine).
#60. To: Rube Goldberg, TooConservative (#8)
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The guy crashed a taxi and he's a nutjob? He would have been my choice for president if it weren't for Ron Paul. I was impressed with what he had to say. That he is a truther only validates my nearlier impression.
#61. To: HOUNDDAWG (#60)
One concern of mine is any member of AK's congressional delegation must use airplanes, and it's not unusual for them to use small bush and float planes to reach the interior and extreme coastal areas.
#62. To: HOUNDDAWG (#59)
You can keep whistling past the cemetery but keep your passports current.
#63. To: Ada (#0)
WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire
Only Building 7 had unfought fires
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129435&page=1
#64. To: TooConservative (#5)
#65. To: ghostdogtxn (#64)
And your problem is that you can watch a building free fall into its own footprint and cannot open your mind to the likelihood that it was a controlled demo.
#66. To: TooConservative (#12)
The future of the Truther movement is declining numbers, an ongoing stream of literature by clever con-men to peddle to the faithful as the decades unfold until all of you die off around 2070 or so.
1 : the act of conspiring together
2 a : an agreement among conspirators b : a group of conspirators syn see plot
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