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Title: Former senator, engineers offer ‘proof’ of 9/11 controlled demolitions
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2010-09-10 10:43:08 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 14605
Comments: 259

The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers.

But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition.

At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition."

The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report.

"That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building."

His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed."

Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11.

"Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE."

San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse.

"The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials."

But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers."

On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers.

-- Rapid onset of "collapse" -- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction -- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration -- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds -- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional -- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e. -- Slow onset with large visible deformations -- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires) -- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed". Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7."

"Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse.

"All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them."

"Justice for all."

What's wrong with calling for a transparent, internationally-supported investigation? I want to know what happened that day to all of those buildings, and I want the chain of events that happened up to their collapse. Don't care how ugly the truth is, I just want to know. Why is asking for an independent investigation so bad?

I'm not an engineering expert, but ALL of the buildings collapsing (WTC 1, 2, 7) look just like every other controlled demolition video I've seen from around the world. The pieces of the day's events (NORAD, Bin Laden's family being sent out, etc) don't fit together right. It just smells fishy.

Who got fired for not doing their job? Who went to jail for criminal negligence? People of authority responding "nothing to see here, move along" aren't helping convince me that what we're being told is the truth. I just want to see Justice.

Isn't wanting "Justice for all" patriotic?

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Former senator, Mike Gravel. What a media-hungry nutjob. I do actually know someone who sent $10 to his presidential campaign which does prove that even nutjobs, with publicity, can rake in money from the public no matter how nuts they are.

During his "campaign" for president, he went back to NYC where he drove a cab back in the Fifties and took out a classic Yellow Cab. He was promptly involved in a collision.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-10   10:52:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-09-10   12:47:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

Nice. Go after the messenger for something completely unrelated when you have absolutely nothing with which to credibly refute the message.

Well, I left out the part where Gravel lost the Dem primaries in 2008 and then proceeded to switch parties and made a laughable bid to get the LP nomination and run against McStain and Obongo.

I'm afraid he's a whackjob and everyone knows it.

Your problem is that you think someone supposedly famous (not that he is) actually helps your cause even if 99% of America thinks he's a wacko (which he is). And you want to blame me for not sharing your delusions.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-10   14:58:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: TooConservative (#5)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-09-14   9:33:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: ghostdogtxn (#64)

And your problem is that you can watch a building free fall into its own footprint and cannot open your mind to the likelihood that it was a controlled demo.

I'm open to it. I just require evidence, a trait lacking among Truthers who jump to claim wild conspiracies, nano-thermite, antigravity and energy weapons, and Area 51 technology from UFOs was used to bring down WTC.

The Truthers have never weeded out the con-men and nutjobs in their ranks. That's probably the major reason why people think they are kooks, because they let kooks speak for them. I expect this pattern will continue because the Truthers still don't grasp how damaging this is and how it plays into the hands of those who want to promulgate the gooberment's ridiculous "investigation" and the 9/11 Commission report.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-14   11:40:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TooConservative (#65)

I posted a link showing that there were 3 working fireboats in the area. If you think WTC 7 fell because of unfought fires, what's your explanation for that in light of the firefighting Harvey and other two crews of a nautical sort on duty?

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-14   12:29:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)

I posted a link showing that there were 3 working fireboats in the area. If you think WTC 7 fell because of unfought fires, what's your explanation for that in light of the firefighting Harvey and other two crews of a nautical sort on duty?

I thought you included the retired fireboat too. That is a nice little story about that boat.

Anyway, I never said anything about WTC 7 falling because of unfought fires. I challenge you to find any remark I've made to that effect.

I have said steadfastly that WTC 7 is the Truthers' strongest case, I have said that they should pursue that relentlessly because that is the weakest point in the supposed government investigation of 9/11. I think you can move public opinion in your direction with it, possibly even get a major new investigation opened and get access to more evidence.

So you might want to stop making up stuff that I did not say and actually deal with the things that I do say.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-14   12:35:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#84. To: TooConservative (#70) (Edited)

thought you included the retired fireboat too. That is a nice little story about that boat.

Anyway, I never said anything about WTC 7 falling because of unfought fires. I challenge you to find any remark I've made to that effect.

I have said steadfastly that WTC 7 is the Truthers' strongest case, I have said that they should pursue that relentlessly because that is the weakest point in the supposed government investigation of 9/11. I think you can move public opinion in your direction with it, possibly even get a major new investigation opened and get access to more evidence.

So you might want to stop making up stuff that I did not say and actually deal with the things that I do say.

I did include the fireboat that was retired until it was brought out of retirement by those who bought it -- the Harvey. Glad you liked the report. You might want to take your own advice and stop making up stuff that I did not say and actually deal with the things that I do say. I said if you think WTC 7 fell from unfought fires, what's your explanation for that -- in light of the 3 fireboats on duty in the area. If you don't think it fell so and likely fell due to a controlled demolition of some sort, say what you think or just skip over the aspect I was focusing on about the fireboats so as to eliminate the broken water lines excuse from the downpour of lies we've been wading through to find the Truth. WTC 7 might be our strongest case but there's way more than that which needs to be investigated -- and regardless of opinions that it's kooky of us to multitask in areas of research that don't meet your standards of approval or whoever's.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-14 14:45:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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