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Title: Former senator, engineers offer ‘proof’ of 9/11 controlled demolitions
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2010-09-10 10:43:08 by Ada
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Views: 14589
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The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers. But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition. At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition." The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report. "That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building." His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed." Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11. "Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE." San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse. "The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials." But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers." On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers. -- Rapid onset of "collapse" -- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction -- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration -- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds -- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional -- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e. -- Slow onset with large visible deformations -- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires) -- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed". Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7." "Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse. "All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them." "Justice for all." What's wrong with calling for a transparent, internationally-supported investigation? I want to know what happened that day to all of those buildings, and I want the chain of events that happened up to their collapse. Don't care how ugly the truth is, I just want to know. Why is asking for an independent investigation so bad? I'm not an engineering expert, but ALL of the buildings collapsing (WTC 1, 2, 7) look just like every other controlled demolition video I've seen from around the world. The pieces of the day's events (NORAD, Bin Laden's family being sent out, etc) don't fit together right. It just smells fishy. Who got fired for not doing their job? Who went to jail for criminal negligence? People of authority responding "nothing to see here, move along" aren't helping convince me that what we're being told is the truth. I just want to see Justice. Isn't wanting "Justice for all" patriotic?
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
Former senator, Mike Gravel. What a media-hungry nutjob. I do actually know someone who sent $10 to his presidential campaign which does prove that even nutjobs, with publicity, can rake in money from the public no matter how nuts they are. During his "campaign" for president, he went back to NYC where he drove a cab back in the Fifties and took out a classic Yellow Cab. He was promptly involved in a collision.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” M. Ghandi Hey, doesn't this guy know we are way past stage two, the fighting has begun, and the "W" is in sight. Peace.
Actually, you have reached the point where everyone knows to avoid you, change the topic if you try to talk about 9/11, etc. The 9/11 Truth movement peaked 3-4 years ago, part of the Bush-hate peddled by the old elements of the "professional Left", namely the old academic commie ideologues that led the "antiwar" movement (but think Obongo-war is just fine). The future of the Truther movement is declining numbers, an ongoing stream of literature by clever con-men to peddle to the faithful as the decades unfold until all of you die off around 2070 or so. These conspiracy groups are like cults. One key difference is that they do not have a single leader but have many nutjob leaders. It is a form of cultism that is personally defined, not under rigid central control. This tends to make the cult members evaluate everyone around them in light of whether they assent to their Truth or not. It can become their entire way of relating to other human beings.
These conspiracy groups are like cults. yeah, just like those who still continue to talk about the Kennedy assassination, huh? i believe that the 9/11 truth movement is global and that only those working for government in some capacity or another and have their selfish asses to protect are the majority of those who continue to believe the government CONSPIRACY. con•spir•a•cy
Exactly like that, yes. Do you want to buy into the Cubans or the Mafia or the CIA or Mossad or...well...one of the dozen or so other major theories about JFK out there? And many of them are totally ridiculous, presenting the kind of "evidence" you'd expect to find about some story in National Enquirer about some woman who got pregnant with Elvis' baby when she was abducted by a UFO in a three-way with Bigfoot. No doubt, it is stronger overseas where expectations of gross government corruption and criminality are visible on a daily basis. Especially in the Third World. This is essentially another false numbers idea that is popular but entirely false. It doesn't matter who believes what or how many. The truth is the truth and you have to have evidence, not a pack of con-men spinning nonsense for gullible people wherever they are located around the world. I, for one, don't give a rat's ass what people as ignorant as the Afghans or the Egyptians or the Nigerians or Kenyans think about anything (since I would first have to care that these medieval barbarians even exist).
As an affirmation of my own Cynicism... A few days ago I reread the eyewitness accounts of the people present at the Pentagon crash. They ranged from Americans to foreign tourists, from ranking military employees to out of work janitors, all with ONE thing in common, THEY HAPPENED TO BE NEAR OR PASSING THE PENTAGON WHEN THEY SAW AN ....AMERICAN AIRLINES...AIRCRAFT PASS BY AND HIT THE PENTAGON. Without stating the obvious, it is difficult to abide endless discussion about the matter, it only muddies the waters that hide the real people we need to know.
The infamous 16' hole that some Truthers have made so much of is a goofball theory (peddled by con-men who know better IMO) and is one of these various MIHOP "theories" that is completely incredible outside the circles of the most gullible and conspiracy-minded Truthers. They create the impression that the 16' hole is in the outside wall of the Pentagon when it is actually a hole left several sections inside the Pentagon and the entire outer facade was demolished. Only a con-man could peddle this crap. But libmedia uses this to discredit all those who are dissatisfied with the 9/11 investigations, whether they call themselves Truthers or not. And that is many, perhaps a majority, of Americans who are dissatisfied with the completeness of the 9/11 Commission. One rapidly tires of "debating" people this stupid or gullible. Then they call you names, an "unbeliever" found like a snake in their midst. It actually becomes so comical you can't actually stay mad at them. This is why I normally don't even enter 9/11 threads but I recently made the mistake of making some comment when one of the Truthers had to drag a goofy pet theory onto a completely unrelated thread and now they keep dragging me to these threads. All that said, I don't believe for one second that we ever got anything like a full investigation of 9/11 and a proper explanation. And the fact that we didn't when the gooberment will spend millions on studies to find out how many college men wank off or investigating the sex life of Brazilian beetles or billions on Israel, fake "AIDS" in Africa, global hotting "science", etc. makes it clear that there was something that they definitely do not want us to know. It smells, big time. A stench even bigger than the laughable Warren Commission report.
One other thing. The impact area of the Pentagon is not wide enough to fit the wings. Where the wings would have hit the building there are unbroken windows, and no evidence of fire. If an actual 757 had hit the building, the wings would have exploded upon impact since that is where the fuel is stored, and there would have been a massive jet fuel fire on both sides of the entry hole. Nothing like that happened. Note that the windows in the left side of the image are still intact...
that last photo you put up and your explanation more or less nails it. proof that the government/media's conspiracy theory on this is false. a photo won't lie. but an eye-witness will. a photo can be faked. but ordinary people and journalists took these photos. The photos don't match the official story. who you going to trust? The government/mass media - or your lying eyes?
Not only is the hole too small and the damage inconsistant with a 757 impacting that area of the building, but the fact is, even a professional pilot couldn't have flown a 757 at 500+ mph inches off the ground while keeping the wings straight and nose level. The idiot who supposedly did this impossible feat couldn't even land a single engine propeller driven airplane at normal landing speed, never mind skim the Pentagon lawn with a multi-engine jumbo jet at it's max speed, all without even scraping the lawn. Ground effect causes the plane to experience increased lift and would have forced the plane to climb. The only way to fight it is to decelerate to landing speed and point the nose down, yet the plane was flying over 500 mph and the nose was level, since if the nose had been down it would have left a crater at the wall, and the plane would have done a flip and broken up outside the Pentagon.
I think your analysis is very excellent. The pilots simply don't have the ability to put a 757 into the 1'st floor after flying parallel to the ground as described. and if you look at the last picture you put up, it shows the uncomfortable truth that originally right after impact in the first 30 seconds, the 2'nd floor hadn't even fallen down yet. and the opening was truly on the first floor only. they sent a missile into the first floor and it blew up. thats what happened. The passenger jet was diverted to Ohio and the people were taken, never to be seen again. Ohio local media reported on this story back when it happened.
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#10. To: TooConservative, Ada, Ada, Richard Gage, 4, Lod, wudidiz (#1)
#12. To: Lysander_Spooner (#10)
Hey, doesn't this guy know we are way past stage two, the fighting has begun, and the "W" is in sight. Peace.
#66. To: TooConservative (#12)
The future of the Truther movement is declining numbers, an ongoing stream of literature by clever con-men to peddle to the faithful as the decades unfold until all of you die off around 2070 or so.
1 : the act of conspiring together
2 a : an agreement among conspirators b : a group of conspirators syn see plot
#69. To: christine (#66)
yeah, just like those who still continue to talk about the Kennedy assassination, huh?
i believe that the 9/11 truth movement is global
#71. To: TooConservative, Christine (#69)
It doesn't matter who believes what or how many
#74. To: Cynicom (#71)
A few days ago I reread the eyewitness accounts of the people present at the Pentagon crash. They ranged from Americans to foreign tourists, from ranking military employees to out of work janitors, all with ONE thing in common, THEY HAPPENED TO BE NEAR OR PASSING THE PENTAGON WHEN THEY SAW AN ....AMERICAN AIRLINES...AIRCRAFT PASS BY AND HIT THE PENTAGON.
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