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Title: Former senator, engineers offer ‘proof’ of 9/11 controlled demolitions
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... rs-911-controlled-demolitions/
Published: Sep 10, 2010
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2010-09-10 10:43:08 by Ada
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The nine-year-old body of 9/11 conspiracy theories includes many improbable (and sometimes contradictory) claims, everything from remote-controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, to a missile hitting the Pentagon, to mass kidnappings of air passengers. But a group of more than 1,200 architects and engineers is building what it hopes is a scientifically sound argument about one 9/11 claim: That the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed not by fires caused by the airplane collisions, but by a controlled demolition. At a press conference in Washington DC, Thursday, the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth offered evidence "that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition." The third building the group referred to was World Trade Center 7, a skyscraper that collapsed about eight hours after the main WTC towers fell. For many 9/11 "truthers," WTC7's collapse despite not being hit by a plane is the "smoking gun" proving that something other than airplanes brought down the towers. The WTC7 collapse was not addressed in the official 9/11 Commission report. "That building fell completely into its own footprint," blogger Andrew Steele told WKTV in Utica. "You can watch on YouTube yourself and use your own common sense. Even if you don't have a scientific background ... if you have two eyes, you can see that fire alone did not bring down that building." His claims, and those of the 1,270 architects and engineers who have signed on to the effort, were bolstered by the support of former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who said in a press release that "critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed." Gravel has been concerned with the events of September 11, 2001, for some time now. He has called for an independent investigation into 9/11. "Unlike the first investigation, this commission should be granted subpoena power and full access to all governmental files and personnel," Gravel wrote. "George Bush should be forced to testify ALONE." San Francisco architect Richard Gage said the way the towers collapsed was consistent with a controlled demolition, not a chaotic structural collapse. "The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," Gage said. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials." But Gage added that "government investigators at the NIST have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers." On its Web site, the architects' and engineers' group lists facts that suggest explosives were used to take down the towers. -- Rapid onset of "collapse" -- Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction -- Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration -- Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds -- Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional -- FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e. -- Slow onset with large visible deformations -- Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires) -- High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed". Debunking9/11, a Web site devoted to disproving the claims of 9/11 "truthers," argues that no aircraft was needed to bring down WTC7, because "while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7." "Truthers" and debunkers have been arguing for years over whether the scant photographic evidence of WTC7's south side after the main towers' collapse shows enough damage to justify the building's collapse. "All the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit," Debunking9/11 asserts. "The others were either very short buildings which didn't have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them." "Justice for all." What's wrong with calling for a transparent, internationally-supported investigation? I want to know what happened that day to all of those buildings, and I want the chain of events that happened up to their collapse. Don't care how ugly the truth is, I just want to know. Why is asking for an independent investigation so bad? I'm not an engineering expert, but ALL of the buildings collapsing (WTC 1, 2, 7) look just like every other controlled demolition video I've seen from around the world. The pieces of the day's events (NORAD, Bin Laden's family being sent out, etc) don't fit together right. It just smells fishy. Who got fired for not doing their job? Who went to jail for criminal negligence? People of authority responding "nothing to see here, move along" aren't helping convince me that what we're being told is the truth. I just want to see Justice. Isn't wanting "Justice for all" patriotic?
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#9. To: Rube Goldberg (#8)
That's a very tidy ecosystem of Truth you have there.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” M. Ghandi Hey, doesn't this guy know we are way past stage two, the fighting has begun, and the "W" is in sight. Peace.
Amen. Same here.
Actually, you have reached the point where everyone knows to avoid you, change the topic if you try to talk about 9/11, etc. The 9/11 Truth movement peaked 3-4 years ago, part of the Bush-hate peddled by the old elements of the "professional Left", namely the old academic commie ideologues that led the "antiwar" movement (but think Obongo-war is just fine). The future of the Truther movement is declining numbers, an ongoing stream of literature by clever con-men to peddle to the faithful as the decades unfold until all of you die off around 2070 or so. These conspiracy groups are like cults. One key difference is that they do not have a single leader but have many nutjob leaders. It is a form of cultism that is personally defined, not under rigid central control. This tends to make the cult members evaluate everyone around them in light of whether they assent to their Truth or not. It can become their entire way of relating to other human beings.
Those who believe the government is telling the truth about what happened on 9/11 couldn't even begin to build an igloo if we want to talk about being a few ice blocks short. They couldn't make the base of one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. These conspiracy groups are like cults. One key difference is that they do not have a single leader but have many nutjob leaders. It is a form of cultism that is personally defined, not under rigid central control. Then why are the Jews so scared of 9/11 truthers? The 9/11 truth movement is growing every day, which scares the crap out of Israel.
God is always good!
Yeah, anyone that believes our government about 9/11 might as well off themselves now, they are too stupid to live.
God is always good!
Anyone who believes the government tells the truth about much of anything that they can't independently verify would fit that description.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Many of the earliest Truthers were liberal Dems with a fair number of Jews among them. Like the Tea Party, the sheer numbers have overwhelmed their original demographic.
I suspect the suicide rate is far higher among Truthers than non-Truthers.
Not the best way to win folks over and get across the truth. You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
Actually, I appreciate the honesty. This is typical with cultish persons. For some Truthers, 9/11 is their god. They have somehow latched onto it as a raison d'etre.
You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Did you stop to consider maybe he wasn't trying to get the flies with honey? He just might have been trying to drive the stupid flies away. You know, the stupid ones. So stupid they believe the bullshit the government puts out as the truth. The ones who have no common sense! Are you one of those?
It won't work.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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LOL. I knew it. I think that is not an uncommon tale of woe among the Truther clan.
BBC Correspondent says MOSSAD did 9/11 and Iran doesn't want Nukes
Well, no one could possibly question the neutrality and professionalism of the BBC. [/sarc]
9/11 Truth from Director of US ARMY War College
I don't think Richard Perle was ever a student or the head of the War College.
There's a man who vanished quicker than the imaginary Iraqi WMDs
Last I heard, he and several other key neocons were swirling around the Caspian pipelines. I suspect he was a key player in the trouble in Georgia, along with Israel. Russia put a swift end to that and to Georgia/Ukraine entering NATO.
As you will have noticed if you took the trouble to watch the video, that is a still of Perle in the YouTube. This is Sabrosky below. Dr. Alan Sabrosky I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Ah, another Authoritarian outs himself, lol. Rigid central control is working so well in Afghanistan,and Iraq, for the US. OMG it worked so well in the USSR, that beacon of rigid central control, and Cuba, and the Nazis have prosperred with that plan for generations.....lol. Or is rigid central control the way your gay lover does you in the ass with his strapon !!? lol Our "W" is on the horizon, but don't worry you can still get your strap-on in prison where you and the real perps will likely end up. Peace.
Good eye.
TooCon doesn't have to look at the evidence in order to make his judgment. He is all knowing.
Excellent video, thankyou.
No. I was pointing out that Truthers operate as a variety of cultists but not under any central control, have no messianic or charismatic leader. Anyway, I can see you guys have gathered for another of your little Truther circle jerks and that's just not my scene so I'll leave you to the moaning sounds of your little echo chamber.
I am well aware that cultists often have compiled obsessive lists with which to bombard any poor soul that falls into their clutches. So, no, I don't generally look at your "evidence". Especially since it rarely turns out to be what you claim it to be. As it turns out, Truther fanatics are pretty untruthful. Funny how that works.
Do you ever look at ANY evidence that doesn't "catapult the propaganda" of the government's official fairy tale? Seriously, do you believe the tale they told about the events of 9/11?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I've said many times that I don't believe they held a complete investigation, that much was withheld or simply ignored. That doesn't mean I'm jumping through the Looking Glass just becuase you think I should.
lots of people did do a thurough investigation of many aspects of the sept 11'th events. You should read their information. Lots of people sacrificed careers to put that info together. Some people died trying to spread that info too.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I'm not saying you should, or shouldn't, do anything. I was just curious if you believed the bs story they told about it. About how some raghead in a cave overwhelmed what is alleged to be the best military force in the world and caused NORAD to stand down, melted steel with Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™ and all the other insane things they would have you believe. I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night and I don't believe their wild tale for a minute and think people who do have some serious issues and need help.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I think there is a lot we haven't been told, much more they won't allow to be investigated. Like how this bunch should have been caught and deported before 9/11. Like how it appears (to me) that the attack was timed to coincide with our civil defense drills. Like how maybe a lot of buildings really aren't up to the published specs, despite (corrupt) inspectors. Or there is something even more fundamentally wrong with their design. I do find it ironic that I reject the official 9/11 Commission Report as a complete and truthful account, something that many people would think makes me a Truther but you guys are on another planet from me. Some of you guys are the rather exotic Truther types. Some of you have got your antigravity and energy weapons (from the alien UFO stuff at Area 51) and nano-thermite and mini-nukes.
...that's where we come in.
Who, Bush and Cheney?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThat he is a truther only validates my nearlier impression.
#10. To: TooConservative, Ada, Ada, Richard Gage, 4, Lod, wudidiz (#1)
#11. To: Rube Goldberg (#8)
He would have been my choice for president if it weren't for Ron Paul. I was impressed with what he had to say. That he is a truther only validates my nearlier impression.
#12. To: Lysander_Spooner (#10)
Hey, doesn't this guy know we are way past stage two, the fighting has begun, and the "W" is in sight. Peace.
#13. To: TooConservative (#7)
You guys are aware there are con-men that run around trying to take advantage of anyone who will listen to them? And that Gravel is a few ice blocks short of an igloo?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#14. To: TooConservative (#12)
The future of the Truther movement is declining numbers, an ongoing stream of literature by clever con-men to peddle to the faithful as the decades unfold until all of you die off around 2070 or so.
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#13)
Those who believe the government is telling the truth about what happened on 9/11 couldn't even begin to build an igloo if we want to talk about being a few ice blocks short. They couldn't make the base of one.
#16. To: RickyJ (#15)
Yeah, anyone that believes our government about 9/11 might as well off themselves now, they are too stupid to live.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#17. To: RickyJ (#14)
Then why are the Jews so scared of 9/11 truthers?
#18. To: RickyJ (#15)
Yeah, anyone that believes our government about 9/11 might as well off themselves now, they are too stupid to live.
#19. To: RickyJ (#15)
Yeah, anyone that believes our government about 9/11 might as well off themselves now, they are too stupid to live.
#20. To: titorite (#19)
Not the best way to win folks over and get across the truth.
#21. To: titorite, RickyJ, Too Conservative (#19)
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Not the best way to win folks over and get across the truth.
#22. To: LACUMO (#21)
He just might have been trying to drive the stupid flies away.
#23. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)
#24. To: Rube Goldberg (#8)
#25. To: RickyJ (#15)
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#26. To: titorite (#19)
#27. To: LACUMO (#21)
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#26)
I for one get tired of some of my friends and family members that regardless of what I show them think I'm a kook...
#29. To: TooConservative (#28)
#30. To: Itistoolate (#29)
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
#32. To: Itistoolate (#31)
#33. To: TooConservative, 4 (#32)
Richard Perle
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
There's a man who vanished quicker than the imaginary Iraqi WMDs
#35. To: TooConservative (#32)
I don't think Richard Perle was ever a student or the head of the War College
#36. To: TooConservative, Ada, Richard Gage, 4, Lod, wudidiz (#12)
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under rigid central control.
#37. To: Lysander_Spooner (#36)
#38. To: randge, TooConservative (#35)
#39. To: Itistoolate (#29)
#40. To: Lysander_Spooner, wudidiz (#36)
Ah, another Authoritarian outs himself, lol.
#41. To: wudidiz (#38)
TooCon doesn't have to look at the evidence in order to make his judgment.
#42. To: TooConservative (#41)
So, no, I don't generally look at your "evidence".
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#42)
Seriously, do you believe the tale they told about the events of 9/11?
#44. To: TooConservative (#43)
#45. To: TooConservative (#43)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#45)
I'm not saying you should, or shouldn't, do anything. I was just curious if you believed the bs story they told about it. About how some raghead in a cave overwhelmed what is alleged to be the best military force in the world and caused NORAD to stand down, melted steel with Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™ and all the other insane things they would have you believe.
#47. To: TooConservative, James Deffenbach (#45)
...and need help....
#48. To: TooConservative (#46)
Like how this bunch should have been caught and deported before 9/11.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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