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Title: U.S. Soldiers In Afghanistan Charged With Keeping Body Parts As Trophies
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KzWx8zquHo&feature=youtube_gdata
Published: Sep 10, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-09-10 12:02:46 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0)
Soldiers have always kept body parts. There're probably a bunch of Jap skulls in attics all over America.
"Society is, always has been and always will be a structure for the exploitation and oppression of the majority through systems of political force dictated by an élite, enforced by thugs, uniformed or not, and upheld by a willful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the very majority whom the system oppresses." -- Richard K. Morgan
Absolutely Trophy taking is as old as war itself and this will never change. It they don't like it, they can always stop these bs wars they keep getting us into.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I think a Guillotine might solve this soldiers issues and ones like him.
I can see going to war to defend your country. If I was of age and my country needed me to defend her, I wouldn't wait for a draft notice. I can understand the position of those that have been drafted into a-constitutional disasters such as the one we were forced to endure in Vietnam. And while I can't countenance volunteering for any of our current imperial adventures, I know many people who have. I forgive them, the ones I've known at least, because I feel their hearts were in the right place as far as their sense of patriotism goes. However, those that commit crimes in uniform have nothing but my contempt. Killing the innocent and the unarmed, desecrating bodies, and threatening fellow soldiers with harm or death is evidence of an army that is slowly sinking into barbarism. If what they say about these fellows is true, I could care less what happens to them. They can jolly well do a stiff sentence at Leavenworth. That goes in equal measure to the men that sent them into those hell holes. They are fully as responsible in my book. What such men sow, we will reap.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
War is barbaric, those who think otherwise are delusional That said, it's usually the Barbarians that are having the most fun that win.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Well, I'll only say this: Whatever men have to do when they go to war, most don't resort to what these men are accused of. That should tell us that there are things that most of us rightly recoil from. The position that these things are done in war as a matter of course don't wash with me, and I don't believe they wash with most folks. Our society, as jaded as it is today, will speak on these things. That is as it should be.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
War is a Racket and the only ones that "win" are a very small group of elites. The "people" always lose.
It's done all the time, always has, always will. Don't forget looting the dead, from dental gold, wedding rings, cash in their pockets or a pack of smokes. Like I said, war is barbaric, if you don't like it, don't go to war.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Unless you are a pacifist, you will recognize the necessity of war under certain circumstances. I would hope that you will recognize the distinction between war and crime.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
War is crime, what is the distinction?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
War is crime, Most of the time, yes. what is the distinction? Just as we have the right to individual self-defense, we also have the right to collective self-defense. Perhaps I'm wrong, Flintlock. You've been around the block longer than I have.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
You're not wrong. My point was simple: Don't ask men to be Barbarians then be surprised if they act like Barbarians.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
In WWII, soldiers had to resort to such things just to get the Japanese to take them seriously. Strings of ears, bodies on pikes lashed to tanks ... all of that was in play during the island-hopping campaigns. Afghanistan is even LESS civilized than Japan was. Trophies are likely one of the few things they comprehend to mean "These people mean business."
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
That may be. Lot of f***ing good it's doing them though. Perhaps our grunts might try roasting and eating the enemy. That might make them sit up and take notice.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Wars have never been fought by Saints. When men are taught to kill or be killed, when they are taught hate, such events have always happened and will continue. All of this goes against our moral grain but war is never civilized.
As long as our guys don't burn their precious Koran, anything goes.
One observation - imo, men are not teenagers. The kids that are sent to war are not men, in any sense of the word. They are more children than they are men.
Unfortunately that is true. Some grunt shoots unarmed civilian, no one knows, no problem. Someone finds out, off to prison. Then, a fighter pilot is standing ten miles off, shoots a missile, kills a dozen women and kids. All a mistake, fortune of war etc and WE NEVER KNOW THE NAMES OF THE PILOTS. The grunt is packed off to prison with a tenner. The pilot gets a DFC. Col. Tibbets vaporized thousands in less than a minute, men, women, children, mostly all innocents. He received a medal. War is horrible.
Kids fight wars because they are easily malleable. Teach them to hate, give them a rifle and expect them to have the moral judgment of an adult???? We were taught to hate gooks, all gooks, sub human trash. Kill all of them. When one sees his friend get his head blown off, there are NO rules.
You know what Cyni, Curtis Le May had it right. When in war, if there is a way not to risk a man's life, take that course. Rather than comb the caves of Tora Bora in '03, we should have taken the top 1/3 off from 30,000 feet. Either that, or bring them on home.
That was a bitter lesson in Vietnam. Johnson and MacNamara sat in the Oval office and directed strategy. Two idiots that should have been shot. Good men died, for nothing, absolutely nothing.
That was a bitter lesson in Vietnam. Johnson and MacNamara sat in the Oval office and directed strategy. Two idiots that should have been shot. Good men died, for nothing, absolutely nothing. What was it good for? Absolutely nothing. (Except for the merchants of war)
Then, a fighter pilot is standing ten miles off, shoots a missile, kills a dozen women and kids. All a mistake, fortune of war etc and WE NEVER KNOW THE NAMES OF THE PILOTS. The Apache attack helicopters involved in the incident are identified as Crazy I got to thinking about what you said and wondered whether the names of the crew of the 2007 Apache Attack featured in the video that Wikileaks got released were ever revealed. I came across this in an article posted on wired Wired: Read More www.wired.com/dangerroom/...ons-linger/#ixzz0zBUGwJYl Horse 18 and 19, of the 1st Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment. The names of pilots, as well as those of investigating officials, were redacted in the Central Command report. Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, who reviewed the findings, ordered that “members of the press be encouraged to wear identifying vests or distinctive body armor within the MND-B AOR,” or Multi-National Division-Baghdad area of responsibility, although he directed that such action be “passed to PAO [public affairs office] for coordination through CPIC [Coalition Press Information Center].” Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/04/military-releases-report-on-2007-apache-attack-and-questions-linger/#ixzz0zBSvFAJa In the comments section below this article I found this post by a soldier that I think is germane to the discussion. I served in Iraq and know the rules of engagement in War. Don’t fire unless fired upon. There are clearly no muzzle flashes coming from the people on the ground. The people don’t scatter for cover, they don’t take any kind of attack position in the buildings. Most don’t even look up at the helicopters at any time before they are fired upon. The camera man with the telephoto lens is the only one even paying attention to the choppers. No matter what has happened earlier that day leading up to this event, you take ever opposition one at a time. The judgement was poor, the guys sound like trigger happy Call of duty gamers begging command for a “roger to engage”. I have personally heard of this situation in 2007 and was told by several fellow soldiers that there were tote bags full of can goods (not grenades) and yes there were a couple of AK’s, but what people don’t understand is everybody has a gun over there. We walk the streets with Iraqi people carrying guns all day. We can’t do anything until they oppose us with aggressive action. It is normal everyday life to have people walking around with guns in Iraq. The bottom line is the rules on engagement exist for our protection as well as the protection of civilians. And those rules were clearly ignored by these pilots. They led command to believe that these people posed a threat to get the authorization to use their weapons and “lite them all up” as they said in the video. After that they laugh about a hummer driving over a body. The men in the van were helping the helpless as they were cut down as well. Just like us they don’t leave anybody behind. The children that were injured in the van were supposed to be taken to an American medical facility and where then rerouted to an Iraqi one where they would not receive the care that they needed. If we shot the kids we should have treated them. I agree that this so called war is a shame. I was not fighting for anyones freedom in my 2 tours. I was never made aware of what we were really fighting for over there but it certainly has nothing to do with the freedom of the people stateside. Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks, which was the reason this war began. Yet the man who was responsible runs free in another country hundreds of miles away from Iraq. The more our country noses in everybody else’s affairs and hops on every chance of dictating another country the more terrorists we create. This war is about resources (oil) and nothing else. The longer we occupy Iraq, the deeper we root ourselves in their government. We want everyone to be just like us and if they are different, then they are a threat. This video is just one of a hundred situations that happen every day in Iraq. This one just got leaked and the others remain covered up. Unfortunately I have had to participate in actions not too unlike this one and am still trying to live with it day to day now that I’m home. America’s Neo conservatism is disgusting to me. The majority of our population believes that America can do no wrong, that if we do it “its’ ok”. What happened to us on 9/11 happens every day in the middle east and most of it is done by our troops. But it’s OK if we do it. Its not murder if Americans do it. I think that this way of thinking is inhuman and would make the men and women, and the God that is country was founded upon ashame of us. Read More www.wired.com/dangerroom/...ons-linger/#ixzz0zBUGwJYl I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
OneDollarDVDProject.com Very good video. This one needs a separate thread I think.
God is always good!
You may be correct. The culture seems to not have left the dark ages. But ... it is historical precedent that sometimes, in order to win, an army must show itself to be exceptionally cruel and destructive. But here is the thing. If you go to war, you go to win. You don't go to play nice. The job of a soldier is to accomplish the mission and come home alive. Playing nice doesn't enter into it. We did not go in to win. That is the entire problem. If we aren't there to win, then we should simply pack up and go home.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
That's the nub of the problem. Where in recent history has our military achieved a decisive victory against a popular insurgency? We can grind on as long as we can pay for it, I suppose. Sooner or later we'll have to pack up, go home and leave our client government to its fate. If you've been exceptionally cruel and destructive and unsuccessful, where does that leave you? There will be significant blowback at home and abroad. That's for sure.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Nobody ever wins against a popular insurgency. The only "wins" recorded in history against them involve wiping out the insurgents utterly. This is not something the US Military is suited for. The WOT is a police action best left to CIA operatives where no questions are asked of their methods or timelines.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
My fond wish is that we could crate up the entire CIA apparatus and sell it to some other country willing to be soiled by the results of its activities. Don't think we would have many takers, but I'd be willing to take rock bottom bids just to get this operation off our hands.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Like anything else, it can be used for Good or Evil. Our current "conflict" is one where the CIA is much better equipped to handle it than the Military. I doubt anyone with cognitive abilities would disagree. Realistically, we need a higher quality of person in DC. Unfortunately, none are "electable" to a position where they can do any good and so the beat goes on.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
There's a mite of reductionism there. One may say with certainty that fire can be used for good or evil. However, the same cannot be said for the SS or the NKVD.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Both of those organizations were designed with different intents than the CIA. It would be rare for the CIA to handle an internal matter. The SS and NKVD were the Internal Secret Police rather than the external spy organization. However, their missions could have been altered with much different consequences.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
#2. To: Turtle, Horse (#1)
Soldiers have always kept body parts. There're probably a bunch of Jap skulls in attics all over America.
#3. To: Horse (#0)
#4. To: Flintlock, Turtle, Horse (#2)
#5. To: randge (#4)
an army that is slowly sinking into barbarism. I
#6. To: Flintlock (#5)
#7. To: Flintlock (#5)
#8. To: randge (#6)
The position that these things are done in war as a matter of course don't wash with me, and I don't believe they wash with most folks.
#9. To: Flintlock (#8)
#10. To: randge (#9)
I would hope that you will recognize the distinction between war and crime.
#11. To: Flintlock (#10)
#12. To: randge (#11)
Perhaps I'm wrong,
#13. To: randge (#6)
Whatever men have to do when they go to war, most don't resort to what these men are accused of.
#14. To: mirage (#13)
Trophies are likely one of the few things they comprehend to mean "These people mean business."
#15. To: randge (#14)
Perhaps our grunts might try roasting and eating the enemy. That might make them sit up and take notice.
#16. To: Cynicom (#15)
#17. To: Cynicom (#15)
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
As long as our guys don't burn their precious Koran, anything goes.
#19. To: Lod (#17)
The kids that are sent to war are not men, in any sense of the word.
#20. To: Cynicom (#18)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
Either that, or bring them on home.
#22. To: Cynicom, JY, all, R (#21)
Either that, or bring them on home.
#23. To: Cynicom (#18)
Some grunt shoots unarmed civilian, no one knows, no problem. Someone finds out, off to prison.
U.S. Military Releases Redacted Records on 2007 Apache Attack, Questions Linger
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#24. To: Horse (#0)
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#25. To: wakeup (#24)
#26. To: randge (#14)
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Perhaps our grunts might try roasting and eating the enemy. That might make them sit up and take notice.
#27. To: mirage (#26)
#28. To: randge (#27)
Where in recent history has our military achieved a decisive victory against a popular insurgency?
#29. To: mirage (#28)
#30. To: randge (#29)
My fond wish is that we could crate up the entire CIA apparatus and sell it to some other country willing to be soiled by the results of its activities.
#31. To: mirage (#30)
Like anything else, it can be used for Good or Evil.
#32. To: randge (#31)
However, the same cannot be said for the SS or the NKVD.
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