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Title: How To Promote Peace in Your Church
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Published: Sep 11, 2010
Author: Norman Horn
Post Date: 2010-09-11 19:32:58 by bush_is_a_moonie
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“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 People regularly email me with questions about how to communicate with other Christians about liberty and peace. The greatest conundrum the Christian libertarian has, it seems, is persuading other Christians to stop supporting the immoral wars that governments perpetrate across the globe. It is particularly difficult in the United States, where “supporting the troops” is essentially part of the new orthodoxy in most evangelical Protestant churches. You can publicly criticize a minister that he preaches too long and someone will support you, but say one word criticizing the military (or even the police) and you become anathema. It is not as though we cannot defend our position adequately; the truth is on our side. We can easily bring forth historical data, ethics, and solid theology to make our case that war is wrong. This is good and right! We must never cease reasoning with those who disagree with us, and we should do so with gentleness and respect (1 Peter 3:15). However, we must admit that a large part of the problem is not merely failure to reason, but also a failure to show Christian compassion toward others. Churches all over forget that war really is hell, and neglect the suffering war causes. This is especially reflected in our public prayers. In the past, even the Southern Baptists took the Word of God seriously and prayed for those affected by war. But when was the last time you heard a church pray for anyone in the Middle East, for instance, other than soldiers? When was the last time you heard a church pray for an end to war? Recently, I was moved to step out and try something I have never heard of done before: ask the leaders of my congregation to take the lead in praying for those suffering in war. After consulting with some of my close friends, I attended the June 2010 elders’ meeting and presented the following letter to them to address the “Prayer for the Church” that we offer every Sunday morning worship service. We have noticed an unusual trend over the past few months during our prayers for the church in Sunday morning worship. On multiple occasions, we have heard people pray for men and women in the military, that they receive “special measures of protection” as they fight to “protect our freedoms” and “serve our country.” While we understand the concerns of church members who have friends and family in the armed forces, and while we sincerely hope for their safe return immediately, we find that these kinds of prayers are neglectful of another group – those victims who suffer wrongfully from this war, to whom we are indeed responsible in part for their suffering. Regardless of one’s opinion of these wars, we think that all can agree upon inspection that this practice can and should change to be more inclusive. For instance, we never hear prayers for our fellow Christians who live in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since the US invasion in 2003, Christians who were tolerated in the past have been repeatedly persecuted and frequently even killed by indiscriminate warfare or surging extremist groups, and nearly half of the Christian population of 800,000 in Iraq has either fled the country or died. In March 2010 alone, over 4,000 Christians were displaced from their homes following unrest in the northern city of Mosul. Many more have confined themselves to their homes for their own safety. Moreover, we rarely, if ever, hear prayers for the innocent people in Iraq that die on a daily basis, either from indiscriminate killing by our own military or civil unrest that results from a country torn apart by war. The lowest estimates of non-combatant deaths in Iraq number greater than 100,000. Unfortunately, over time our sensibilities and attitudes toward this war – which is now the longest prolonged conflict in American history – have become desensitized and lackadaisical, and thus we often forget these innocent people. We appeal to the elders to lead the way toward recognizing this issue with two simple proposals. First, we propose to include in the bulletin prayer requests under “Family Members in the Military” a mention of the innocent and oppressed in Iraq and Afghanistan, especially our Iraqi and Afghan brothers and sisters in Christ, and for an end to these wars. Second, we propose that the elders take the lead in consistently mentioning the same in prayer with the congregation on Sunday mornings. If the prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective, then surely instituting this practice will do good both for these victims and for our own spirits. We support this appeal with Scripture in two ways. First, if you consider these people as we do, that they are innocent victims and have been wronged by their own leaders, by extremists, and by our own military, then may we pray to God as Jesus taught his disciples: to be “delivered from evil.” If we can pray this for ourselves, surely we can do so for others. But second, if you still consider these people our enemies, then may we do as Jesus said in Matthew 5: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” May this be the beginning of understanding what Jesus said moments before, “Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Changing our practice to include praying for the oppressed is not a political statement. In fact, this is not a political issue in the least; on the contrary it is a moral and theological issue. If we are to pray “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,” then we should take seriously that Jesus came and died to proclaim peace on earth and to liberate the oppressed. We may expect that “wars and rumors of wars” will always exist, but this does not require a condoning or defeatist attitude of such events. Rather, this understanding should make us more sensitive and more compassionate toward those who suffer. To conclude, war is arguably the most destructive human activity ever devised, and it is an intensely serious moral and theological issue because of its finality for those involved either directly as soldiers or indirectly as innocents. It is right to earnestly pray for our family members participating in war, but let us not become callous to the suffering of others, especially those to whom we are indirectly responsible for their suffering. Therefore, we should let our congregational prayers reflect our concern for them. In Christ, Norman Horn [Others at my church signed this letter as well, names withheld for privacy.] The response of the elders was, to my surprise, extraordinarily positive. We discussed some of the ramifications of them taking this position. Only one had any concern for it being “too political.” In response, I emphasized that the effects of war are apolitical and intensely real, and therefore to ignore what’s going on is potentially even more political than standing up for what is right. The next Sunday morning service, during the “Prayer for the Church,” the elder assigned to the task prayed for peace and for the innocent affected by war. This has continued for many weeks on end, with both elders and non-elders doing the same. It isn’t a perfect record at this point, but something is changing. Amen! Now, I have to admit that I have the ear of the eldership already. I am a part-time minister in this congregation, and thus they could have been generally more receptive of my proposal because it came from me. It could be that if you tried the exact course of action I did, it might not work out so well. But I still contend that anyone could work with their church in an analogous manner to change it even a little toward peace. Here are some ideas that might help you: 1) Start by setting the example yourself. When you are asked to pray in public for the congregation and its concerns, include those oppressed by war with any prayer offered for family and friends in the military. Furthermore, make sure that you are praying for peace in your private life. 2) If and when you engage your congregation more directly, initiate it by making a request that requires no justification at all. Don’t be afraid to just ask! Send one of your church leaders a very simple request, something like this: “When we pray for soldiers in Iraq, could we also pray for the Iraqis who are suffering, especially our Christian brothers and sisters there, and that God would bless our enemies and bring them peace.” You don’t even have to justify such a request. That’s straight out of Scripture, right? 3) Find others to make the same request together. Talk to some of your elders/leaders together. Again, keep it simple, but up the ante a little bit each time. 4) Keep it apolitical. You are not trying to “make people into libertarians” or anything of the sort. This message is first and foremost about the people affected by conflict. Our concern is for them, not for our egos or political views. 5) If at first you don’t succeed, try again. You may not get a good hearing initially, but be patient. Gently keep pushing back. If it becomes necessary, use the letter above as a model to give to your church leaders. Keep in mind, I really think this should be a “letter of last resort” to be used if your leaders refuse to listen to simpler reason. I carefully constructed this with feedback from multiple sources, so that it could easily show the self-evident principles involved. It gives no quarter and I don’t apologize for that, but know your audience and appeal to their sensibilities. Of course, some in your church will respond negatively to this kind of request. They may ask how you can ask a church to pray for this war, for instance, when there are millions of other things for which we could pray. What about apartheid in South Africa, earthquakes in Haiti, or persecuted Christians in China? Could not the list go on forever if we wanted? Those critics have a point, but our response should be that there is a fundamental difference between, say, praying for apartheid in South Africa – where we are aware of no national influence (and in my church’s case, have none of our church members as missionaries there) – and these wars. The difference is that this country, the United States, claims responsibility for their country now, and hence we are already involved. It is not “our fault” that Haiti had an earthquake or that Christians in China are being persecuted (though we may pray for them anyway), but it is in part our fault that the United States has torn apart the Middle East. Moreover, churches continue to condone and support such aggression with little thought either to the consequences for the Arab peoples or the internal subconscious changes that this has on our own churches. And what better way to change our own hearts than through the power of prayer? And what better way to start that process than through the leadership of the church? Imagine what would happen if churches across the United States (and internationally!) were to stop praying for the military alone and to begin including those oppressed by war in their public prayers as well. Don’t you think that God will help make our hearts ever more attuned to the oppressed? If the Bible says that the prayers of the righteous are effective, and if we believe that prayer affects us as much or more than prayer affects God, then let us never cease to pray for and support those who suffer from the horror of war and let us encourage others to do the same. Think about some ways that you can be a peaceful voice for peace in your church. Maybe emulating the story above is one way you can make a difference. I truly believe this simple idea can change hearts and minds across the world if, with God’s help, we are brave enough to try.
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#31. To: A K A Stone (#27)
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First, I haven't talked to you about that shithole of yours in at least a week and I never begged you for shit. I gave you my terms and you declined. Next, it's "inalienable" rights, moron. If you're going to quote it, get it right. Finally, if you can't step back and objectively see the damage wrought on humanity by you fuckwaffles fighting over whose imaginary sky fairy has the biggest cock, you're as stupid as everyone thinks you are. Oh, and I've had ancestors here since Jamestown. Look up "Order of the Ancient Planters", moron, and either properly abase yourself in the presence of your betters or fuck off. Either works.
Unalienable is better. So I use that word. It means they can't be taken away.
There is hope for you yet. Let's break down what you wrote, analyse it a little and then have you tell us more. I'm glad to see you have finally admitted Arabs are humans too. That is a change from a few months ago when you were calling for the open slaughter or Palestinian people including innocent women and children. It was ok in your mind to murder theser people by the bushell and you cried holy hell if they retaliated and killed only a few murdering jews. You are right. Anyone can take a look at the Koran. How about the Talmud? Can anyone look at it? I heard no. Did I hear wrong? See, the problems is that both sides feel their religion is the correct one. That is what they are fighting over. For all Christian people know, both their religous book could be wrong and both could be evil. They both exercise and do evil things to each other and the jews go one step fruther and do evil things to all the rest of mankind. The best example is what theey have done to the USA to this point and apparently they aren't finished with us yet. Take a good look at Germany leading up to WW II and you will see how evil the jews were at that time. They joined in with Hitler and help kill other jews. I don't think the Arabs did any such thing.
We're screwed. I just learned Buckwheat went Muzzie. His new name is Kareem of Wheat.
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I basically said Israel has a right to defend itself. If people are launching rockets to hit their people. They have a right to fight back. Sometimes innocent people get killed. I don't like that. But it happens. If they didn't fight back their people would all be killed. They are a tiny country that is fighting for survival.
LOL! Good one Jethro.
Talmud. I've never read it. Probably never will. It is an intrepretation by various rabbis from what I understand. They probably got some things right and some things wrong. They should just stick with what the Bible says. Did some Jews help Hitler out to save their own skin. Probably so. Human nature.
lol
no one would argue that, Stone, but the truth is Israel is not acting in only a defensive manner. they are aggressively offensive. here's an excellent video on the topic: Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land: Media & the Israel-Palestine Conflict
Praise the Profit! WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Let's see: Jefferson wrote it. Score 1 for him. Jefferson, by all accounts wasn't a douche, that's 2 in his favor, and finally, Jefferson wasn't a fundie zealot nutball, that's 3, and Stone goes down without swinging.
You might argue with this. Iran is building nukes. If they get them they could possibly be used to destroy Israel or even other countries. If Israel decided to take out that facility or facilities. I think that they have a compelling case that they are threatened and could take action to not get nuked.
unalienable [ŒnÈejljYnYbYl] adj Law a variant of inalienable
Stonie needs to read the Old Testament. The Jews are acting as they did throughout the text. Take the story of Dinah and the Sheshimites as an example--Dinah, the little Jewish princess claimed that she wanted to marry the Sheshemite prince. Of course, there was a catch. All of the sheshimite men, from babies to in their eighties, had to get circumcized. This was the deal. So, the Sheshimites agreed. The following day, they all had been circumcized and were trying to heal from the pain, when the Jews came in and slaughtered them all while they were unable to fend for themselves. This is just ONE story of many with similar tactics and outcomes. Yet, Stonie ignores the book he claims to know so much about. Any honest person would admit that the OT is often more harsh than the Koran, which Stonie has never read and knows very little about--especially in instances such as Dinah and the Sheshimites, of which there are MANY.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Wouldn't the same hold true for the Palestinians too? They once had a country and it was stolen from them. Now the live in Gaza and are subject to all kinds of atrocities perpetrated upon them by the Israelis. Surely you would agree then that they have a right to defend themselves and retaliate. I did notice how one sided you answer to my questions were. Oh one more question for you. Before 1948, what was the name or the jewish country? If you say Israel, you are wrong. That land that makes up Israel was Palestinian homeland. The jews murdered them by the thousands drivimg them out of their own land. They are doing the same to the American people here in the USA at the present time. They own our newsmedia, our motion picture industry,control the banking, control our government, wrecked our economy, and have even killed some of us on 9-11-2001.
I don't claim to be an expert. I just have my opinion.
Israel has at least 200 nukes .......get real on where the threat is Stonie. Have you never heard of the Solomon Option? Every nation in the ME could make a very compelling case that Israel is a threat.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
He wasn't even a Christian I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. --Thomas Jefferson And Franklin: I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity. -- Benjamin Franklin The smart Founders understood Christyinsanity was a useless hoax and acted accordingly.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
A K A Stone, fundie, Reality; not a variant of Thomas Jefferson
I did notice how one sided you answer to my questions were. Oh one more question for you. Before 1948, what was the name or the jewish country? If you say Israel, you are wrong. That land that makes up Israel was Palestinian homeland. The jews murdered them by the thousands drivimg them out of their own land. They are doing the same to the American people here in the USA at the present time. They own our newsmedia, our motion picture industry,control the banking, control our government, wrecked our economy, and have even killed some of us on 9-11-2001. It was the Jews before it was the palis. They were just getting their homeland back. I think a solution would be to give the palis some money to buy some land somewhere else. Then they could go be happy somewhere else.
They have them. No one is taking them. They could have used them and didn't. Iran is muslim and they are commanded to kill Jews in their unholy book. Big difference.
Yes, you have your opinion, but without any knowledge of the texts you claim opinion to, it isn't worth anything.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You dodged my questions completely. I think thy jews should have settled in Madigascar when it was offered. When they take over the USA completely, do you think we should be given some money to buy some land somewhere else? Nuke those bastards. I'll shed no tears!
Please post this "command" for the lot of us to review. You won't find it. The Quran "commands" the followers of Islam to honor and respect the entire tree of Abraham, both Jew and Christian. You would know this if you ever read the text. Israel is the threat. Iran hasn't attacked any neighbors in hundereds of years. The Persians have proven far more peaceful than the Israelis. This is why 30K Jews opt to live in Iran, not Israel. How do these Jews continue to live and even attain a voice in the government with this supposed "command" to kill de Jews?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
My answer was short because I am running out of time.
Not nice to refute BS with facts.
“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123 “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85 “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33 “The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19 “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65 “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12 “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
That doesn't fly. There has been ample genetics testing that has proven that the pali's ARE Jews. I have posted the links to these tests a dozen times and the information is easy enough to find with a search engine. What more, pali's are Jews that chose to stay in Israel rather than forsake it for a better living elsewhere like the European Jews did. Those European Jews hadn't lived in Israel for more than a thousand years. Saying that they were "just getting their homeland back" is like saying that a thousand plus years from now, the offspring of American expatriates living in other countries will have a right to take the land of those Americans still living here on the land.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Sheesh, where are you getting this butchered translation? 9:12 should read: And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief -- surely their oaths are nothing -- so that they may desist. (OH DE HUMANITY!! This verse warns of oaths broken.) The correct Quran 9:5: 9:5 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (SET THEM FREE--OH DE HUMANITY!!) The correct 9:28: 9:28 O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise. (OH DE HUMANITY!! Those who do not prcatice can't go in the Sacred Mosque) The correct Quran 9:30 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (Note how the texts says Allah will destroy, not the Muslims with their swords.) That's enough correct text to clearly demonstrate that your source is not honest in translation, nor reliable in anyway to make the case you are attempting to make.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If I felt like it would benefit you at all, I'd cut and paste comparable quotes, but you can find them at evilbible.com. I know you won't look, because your rigid worldview won't accomodate knowledge. If you had any actual ambition at all, Stone, you'd be dangerous. Keep on with the disaffected k00kery, though.
It looks like Obama's cousin is color blind. He picked out the wrong color of Just for Men.
And Franklin: I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity. -- Benjamin Franklin The smart Founders understood Christyinsanity was a useless hoax and acted accordingly. to post: Jewish Persecution Chapter 18 - Sweet Liberty America, the land of the free and the home of the brave? or. . . the land of the fee and the home of the slave? The "American Revolution" is as well known an apparition as is the "War For Independence". Sadly, once again the spot-light is beamed upon a massive lie; in fact this one is a double-whammy. Not only was that war NOT a spontaneous uprising against tyranny, we Americans were fooled into believing we "won" that war. Remembering that the Jews claim sole responsibility for the French Revolution -- in fact they claim responsibility for ALL revolutions-- consider the time line here: 1) The American revolution began in 1776, the alleged date of the 'founding' of the Illuminati, although the plan within Weishaupt's papers were probably given to Weishaupt by another source since the plan for World Dominion is eons old. As Douglas Reed mentioned in his chapter on the Protocols, one individual could not have devised such an intricate scheme. ..... ". . . in Philadelphia, July 4, 1776, the Declaration of Independence was written. A copy was sent to Amsterdam via the small Dutch Caribbean Island of St. Eustatius. The Declaration was intercepted by the British at sea. "An accompanying letter with the Declaration of Independence was also intercepted and sent to London as being a secret code about the document that needed to be deciphered - the letter was written in Yiddish. We might ask here: WHY was a copy of the Declaration of Independence sent to Amsterdam via the Jews at St. Eustatius? It is likely that the final details of the planned "American Revolution" were worked out from that quarter. We are not privy to the content of the letter that accompanied the document, just the fact that it was written in Yiddish. .... 3) After Cornwallis' surrender at Yorktown Lafayette returned to Paris where he "cooperated closely with Ambassadors Benjamin Franklin and then Thomas Jefferson" (both Illuminists), possibly working out the details of the planned Constitutional Convention in 1787. (As a side note: Thomas Jefferson had commissioned an obelisk to be placed on his grave at his death.) .... www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution... [not complete url] =================== Cornwallis to George Washington: "A HOLY WAR will now begin against America..." Psalm 2.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Yes, the nation that is committing genocide against the Palestinians is going to have to be stopped, and they will be stopped by whatever means necessary. You will see their "god" will not save them, and he won't save you either.
God is always good!
Sorry Keep your Christyinsanity to yourself, I have no interest in it anymore. IMO it is the biggest fraud and hoax even perpetrated on mankind.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
The Jews and your "founding fathers" agree with you, and gave us their Jew World Order instead, and that was my point. Enjoy.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I'll take TJ over you any day of the week.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
PS Now don't tell me....YOU and your little cult are the only ones who TRULY understand and practice the correct form of Christyinsanity. The other 4000+ cults of protestant Christyinsanity are all WRONG Did I get that right? Feel free to send me a private reply with the appropriate links to back that up. He's my addy ROTFLMAO@U.com
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I'll take Patrick Henry over you and TJ. http://www.ismellarat.com / http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
forget it...pearls before swine, and all that.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Is that all you can do, quote from the "holy book" of fairy tales? Don't worry (Fear Not, Fear Not, Fear Not!) I get it. Apparently you DO believe that YOU and your little cult are the only ones who TRULY understand and practice the correct form of Christyinsanity. You people need to be rounded up, you are a complete and total wacko.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#32. To: Samuel Gray (#31)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#30)
I have no problem with Arabs. They are human and have human wants and needs like the rest of us. But when they get involved in Islam they are on the wrong track. Anyone can take a look at the Koran and see that it is an evil book that causes people to do evil things.
#34. To: A K A Stone, all (#29)
#35. To: LACUMO (#33)
That is a change from a few months ago when you were calling for the open slaughter or Palestinian people including innocent women and children. It was ok in your mind to murder theser people by the bushell and you cried holy hell if they retaliated and killed only a few murdering jews.
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
His new name is Kareem of Wheat.
#37. To: LACUMO (#33)
You are right. Anyone can take a look at the Koran. How about the Talmud? Can anyone look at it? I heard no. Did I hear wrong? See, the problems is that both sides feel their religion is the correct one. That is what they are fighting over. For all Christian people know, both their religous book could be wrong and both could be evil. They both exercise and do evil things to each other and the jews go one step fruther and do evil things to all the rest of mankind. The best example is what theey have done to the USA to this point and apparently they aren't finished with us yet. Take a good look at Germany leading up to WW II and you will see how evil the jews were at that time. They joined in with Hitler and help kill other jews. I don't think the Arabs did any such thing.
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
#39. To: A K A Stone (#35)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
His new name is Kareem of Wheat.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#32)
Unalienable is better.
#42. To: christine (#39)
no one would argue that, Stone, but the truth is Israel is not acting in only a defensive manner. they are aggressively offensive.
#43. To: Samuel Gray (#41)
#44. To: christine, A K A Stone (#39)
no one would argue that, Stone, but the truth is Israel is not acting in only a defensive manner. they are aggressively offensive.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#35)
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I basically said Israel has a right to defend itself. If people are launching rockets to hit their people. They have a right to fight back. Sometimes innocent people get killed. I don't like that. But it happens. If they didn't fight back their people would all be killed. They are a tiny country that is fighting for survival.
#46. To: abraxas (#44)
Yet, Stonie ignores the book he claims to know so much about.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Iran is building nukes.
#48. To: Samuel Gray (#41)
and finally, Jefferson wasn't a fundie zealot nutball,
#49. To: A K A Stone (#43)
unalienable [ŒnÈejljYnYbYl] adj Law a variant of inalienable
#50. To: LACUMO (#45)
Wouldn't the same hold true for the Palestinians too? They once had a country and it was stolen from them. Now the live in Gaza and are subject to all kinds of atrocities perpetrated upon them by the Israelis. Surely you would agree then that they have a right to defend themselves and retaliate.
#51. To: abraxas (#47)
Israel has at least 200 nukes .......get real on where the threat is Stonie. Have you never heard of the Solomon Option? Every nation in the ME could make a very compelling case that Israel is a threat.
#52. To: A K A Stone (#46)
I just have my opinion.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#50)
I think a solution would be to give the palis some money to buy some land somewhere else. Then they could go be happy somewhere else.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#51)
Iran is muslim and they are commanded to kill Jews in their unholy book.
#55. To: LACUMO (#53)
#56. To: abraxas (#54)
This is why 30K Jews opt to live in Iran, not Israel. How do these Jews continue to live and even attain a voice in the government with this supposed "command" to kill de Jews?
#57. To: abraxas (#54)
#58. To: A K A Stone (#50)
It was the Jews before it was the palis. They were just getting their homeland back.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#57)
#60. To: A K A Stone (#57)
#61. To: Flintlock (#40)
#62. To: Flintlock (#48)
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. --Thomas Jefferson
#63. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Sometimes innocent people get killed. I don't like that. But it happens.
#64. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#62)
#65. To: Flintlock (#64)
#66. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#65)
your "founding fathers" agree with you
#67. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#65)
#68. To: Flintlock (#66)
I'll take TJ over you any day of the week.
#69. To: Flintlock (#67)
#70. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#69)
pearls before swine, and all that.
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