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Title: Lloyd Pye: Everything You Know Is Wrong (Human Origins)
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URL Source: http://veehd.com/video/4521862_Lloy ... w-Is-Wrong-Human-Origins-nYx64
Published: Sep 12, 2010
Author: loyd pye
Post Date: 2010-09-12 12:32:56 by gengis gandhi
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Comments: 38

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#1. To: flintlock, christine (#0)

interesting stuff.

check it out when you get a chance, put the pieces together.

makes a hell of alot more sense than the monkey theory or the god on a cloud breathing life into clay theory.

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-09-12   13:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If this is the Canadian who dates man back 200K years, he was, or will be, giving a talk here at Brave New Bookstore.

Lod  posted on  2010-09-12   13:11:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pye is a bit conservative. Artifacts recovered outside of Mexico City and dated by Virginia Steen-McIntyre of the U.S. Coastal and Geodetic Survey, using standard dating techniques, came up with an estimated age of 240,000 years. Of course despite using sound and standard methodology she was run out of Archaeology for having uncovered "heretical" results. She now owns a Florists shop - in Austin if I recall correctly.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-12   13:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pye is a bit conservative. Artifacts recovered outside of Mexico City and dated by Virginia Steen-McIntyre of the U.S. Coastal and Geodetic Survey, using standard dating techniques, came up with an estimated age of 240,000 years. Of course despite using sound and standard methodology she was run out of Archaeology for having uncovered "heretical" results. She now owns a Florists shop - in Austin if I recall correctly.

Michael Cremo believes humans go back millions of years, based on anomalous artefacts and the Vedic literature of Hinduism.

www.mcremo.com/

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-12   19:02:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've read his book - I have both "Forbidden Archaeology" and "Hidden History of the Human Race". When you combine what he and Thompson wrote along with other authors and evidence the case is pretty compelling for anatomically modern humans existing at least as far back as the Miocene if not the Oligocene. Fascinating stuff and the lamestream archaeologists just depise him but they won't debate him. A couple did early on after the first book, "Forbidden Archaeology", came out but he chewed them up so badly that no one else is willing to be made a monkey of. He has too much evidence on his side.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-12   23:12:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He has too much evidence on his side.

I've only got as far as his website myself, but so far, I can't really argue with what I've read. Like how else would a nail find itself deep inside rock?

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-12   23:52:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are a lot of different anomalies that have turned up in different places at different times. Often the term "Oopart" is used. It was a coinage by the late Ivan T. Sanderson and is short for "Out Of Place Artifact". An Oopart is basically nothing more than an artifact that according to conventional theory cannot and should not exist. Very often that is the exact tack taken in explaining them away i.e., "it can't exist therefore it doesn't".

There are quite a few different types of artifacts that tend to conglomerate in the category. Everything from metal spheres, found in a South African Rock Deposit and dated to 2.8 Billion years, gold chains found in a lump of coal, and one of the more stunning is the giant artifact called The Map of The Creator which was found in Russia and appears to be a detailed topographical map made out of unknown materials and is dated to about 120 million years ago.

Of course as in anything out of the official mainstream the subject attracts debunkers who just cannot accept anything not given the stamp of approval by the government or narrow minded academics intent on protecting their turf. The debunker disease seems to exist in all fields where there is unsettled data and the official lamestream, for whatever reason, will not look. For example the Sphinx and its enclosure which both show heavy signs of water erosion. The problem with that for lamestream archaeology is that the last time the Giza Plateau had a climate wet enough, it is now desert, to account for the degree of erosion is prior to 8,000 B.C.. This presents a problem for the lamestream since they have dated the Sphinx to the time of Chephren which is about 3,500 years ago. So, obviously, so sayeth the lamestream archaeologists - geologic evidence be damned - we've got our theory and were sticking with it. Damn your contrary evidence. Which is of course contrary to the Scientific Method. The problem for the lamestream academics and debunkers is that their tactics are not as effective as they used to be because people are learning, at least some are, to not take official denials as the last word without actually looking at the evidence for themselves. Argument by reference to authority is NOT Science.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-13   0:33:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are a lot of different anomalies that have turned up in different places at different times. Often the term "Oopart" is used. It was a coinage by the late Ivan T. Sanderson and is short for "Out Of Place Artifact". An Oopart is basically nothing more than an artifact that according to conventional theory cannot and should not exist. Very often that is the exact tack taken in explaining them away i.e., "it can't exist therefore it doesn't".

There are quite a few different types of artifacts that tend to conglomerate in the category. Everything from metal spheres, found in a South African Rock Deposit and dated to 2.8 Billion years, gold chains found in a lump of coal, and one of the more stunning is the giant artifact called The Map of The Creator which was found in Russia and appears to be a detailed topographical map made out of unknown materials and is dated to about 120 million years ago.

Maybe humanity was not the first intelligent speciest on Earth.

Have you ever read the scifi novel, "At the Mountains of Madness", by HP Lovecraft? If not, you would enjoy it.

The novel is so old that it is public domain, and you can find it online.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-09-13   12:50:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. No I have not read that book, but I know H.P. Lovecraft was one of the greats. He does not get the credit he deserves. Along with H. Rider Haggard he has influenced generations of writers. Robert E. Howard, the author of the Conan stories, was greatly influenced by them both.

Yes, I have given thought to the matter and there is a significant body of evidence outside of the alleged mainstream which suggests strongly that we are not the first technologically sophisticated civilization to rise on this planet, and likely not yet the most advanced.

Among the evidences are signs of ancient nuclear war - which even Oppenheimer cryptically acknowledged a couple of times.

Oppenheimer is credited with having made the following quote from the Bhagavad-Gita the morning of the witnessing of the detonation of the first, modern, atomic bomb:

I think by and large that they were human civilizations, but in the march of history they rose, reached a certain level of technology (including nuclear weapons), and then died. Whether from war, asteroid impact, or what is unclear. The evidence for ancient nuclear war is reasonably strong. There is an area of the Egyptian desert in an area called the "Dead Quarter" where there is a vast expanse of sand fused into green glass - just as been observed in New Mexico at the nuclear proving grounds. The ancient Indian Vedas speak of weaponry, called the "Iron Thunderbolt" which could level an entire city, as well when the Indus Valley Civilization of Harappa and Moenhjo Daro was uncovered a curious anomaly was found. On the sides of buildings and sidewalks were the figures of men and women burned into the stone. The only other place this phenomena has been observed was at Hiroshima and Nagasaki as those caught in the open in the full glare of the atomic blast were cooked into the sides of buildings and into sidewalks. Also at Harappa and Moehnjo Daro it discovered were numbers of skeletons of people who had seemingly just died in their tracks and had fallen to the ground where they had stood.

One can travel around the world and numbers and scale of evidences is quite striking. At Baalbek in Lebanon lies an ancient stone foundation consisting of the three largest stone blocks EVER quarried with the largest exceeding likely 1,000 TONS. The Roman temple to Baal was built upon the much older foundation which lies at the bottom.

In Egypt we can find evidences of the use of large scale power tools including diamond equipped saws and cutting tools. We don't have the actual tools, after all this was done a lonnnnnnnng time ago, but Master Machinist and Engineer Christopher Dunn has done a lot of work chronicling, measuring, and showing with his measurements that it is virtually impossible to account for the precision alignments and aerospace tolerances of some of the Egyptian structures and art without accepting that they had technology equal or superior to present day. He just released a new book which I haven't had a chance to acquire yet. However his website is located at www.gizapower.com/

Another author who, while not as technically oriented and trained as Mr. Dunn, who has spent a lot of time studying, documenting and chronicling a large body of evidence is David Hatcher Chidress. His "Lost Cities" series is a fun read at an accessible level for the layman. His book "Technology of the Gods" is well worth reading and includes a chapter on the evidence for ancient nuclear war.

Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson, of whom you are already aware, wrote the book "Forbidden Archaeology" which is the benchmark reference for evidences of the existence of anatomically modern man dating back, very likely, millions of years. The lamestream does not like Mr. Cremo because the book, which is well documented and footnoted, exposes what he calls "The Knowledge Filter" i.e., that evidence which does not fit the preferred academic view is discarded, ignored, not seen because it does not fit their world view, and violently ridiculed. Even more heretical Cremo and Thompson go on to demonstrate point by inescapable point that the evidence accepted in mainstream academia is no better documented and in some cases not as well. If you tackle this book be prepared to have a good dictionary and references to hand so that you can decipher it. It was written to a high academic standard and was not written with the layman in mind. It is a work of high scholarship and requires knowledge of common technical terms from archaeology, geology, and paleontology. More accessible is their abridgment written for a lay audience "The Hidden History of the Human Race". There they cover some of the key evidence in a form that is well readable by the average intelligent adult - and precocious teen.

The biggest problem with Forbidden Archaeology, for the academic lamestream, is that it shreds the dogma of the accepted Darwinian/Evolutionary timeline. If man in his present form existed millions of years ago - what about all of the monkeys that were supposedly our ancestors? And Darwinian evolutionary theory is increasingly in disarray as the conflicts in data increasingly are showing it to be insufficient to explain the observed and collected data; and its proponents are scared shitless as their world is being turned upside down and the "kooks" that they have ridiculed were right. So, their response has been not to examine objectively the evidence presented but to attack it, and sometimes with a considerable degree of vitriol. Even if one does not accept Mr. Cremo and Thompson's religious views, which I don't, the evidence nevertheless stands on its own merits. And the Secular Religion of Darwin and Materialistic Philosophy is verrrry intolerant of what in their minds amounts to heresy. Most, if not all, of the rabid Darwinists are atheists and very militantly so. Refuting Darwin cuts right to the heart of their unbelief system and leaves them unclothed and modern evolutionary theory in tatters. It is not that there may not be an evolutionary mechanism nonetheless, but that their currently accepted, preferred, and defended line of human evolution lies threadbare and naked in its insufficiency to account for the documented evidence. So, their Jihad against knowledge contrary to their beliefs is, while cloaked in learned language, every bit as vitriolic and irrational as any fundamentalist burning witches at the stake.

So, I could go on for a while as this is a subject which has fascinated me since my youth and while not professional in the field I have spent some considerable time on it.

Enjoy the journey. Knowing is much more fun than ignorance.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-13   13:47:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You know, to determine the existance in the distant past of a technologically advanced civilisation that rivals, or even surpasses our own, we really would need to find an ancient artefact made from plastic. lol Hard to envisage a civilisation getting to a certain level of technological development w/o plastic. Unless.. an alternative to plastic exists. Integrated circuits encased in ceramic. A civilisation that stubbornly sticks to porcelain and glass vessels. Appliances enclosed in wood, insulated metal or glass.

But why no plastic at all? They surely would have developed it. It is said it takes a million years for plastic to biodegrade, but maybe that's propaganda, maybe it doesn't take plastic that long to disintegrate. I've certainly seen polyethylene looking the worse for wear stuck in hedgerows. lol We aren't even a century using plastic, so we have no empirical evidence demonstrating what happens to plastic in the environment over hundreds and thousands of years.

Just putting this question out there.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-15   15:47:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well even plastic degrades over time. It might last a thousand years, but what would it look like after 8 to 10 thousand years? All of the major artefacts we have encountered are mostly made from stone. I had an argument with a poster on Liberty Forum about it and he just would not believe me when I said that after a couple hundred years something made from steel would be unrecognizable and be dust after a thousand. He mistook strength for durability. Just because steel is strong does not mean that it does not break down, turn to rust, and disappear in less than a thousand years, but it does. Stone though can last for thousands, and although a bit worse for wear even sandstone structures, such as the Sphinx, are still recognizable after thousands of years. The true age of some of these monuments is uncertain, but one Arab Translator, Ibn Ben Said, translated one Stele at Giza that suggests that the Great Pyramid was built about 74,000 years ago. What would a piece of steel that old look like? Dust in the wind.

And also those ancients appear to have been using advanced but different technology than we do in our current culture. They seem to have preferred natural materials. Particularly stone as the entire planet is ringed with stone structures and monuments. That does not mean they were primitive though, as they could do complex things with stone which we are just now getting to where we can duplicate some of it. We could not right now duplicate the Great Pyramid at Giza. The Japanese tried making a scaled down duplicate only 35 feet high. They couldn't do it. It kept coming out crooked. Some of the stonework at Giza is accurate to within thousandths of an inch. Not only do I laugh at the thought of that being done with stone and copper tools, on granite of all things - one of the hardest rocks, but the precision is literally aerospace grade.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-15   22:36:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)

Well even plastic degrades over time. It might last a thousand years, but what would it look like after 8 to 10 thousand years?

I had to ask.. just a puzzle that came to my mind shortly after I discovered Michael Cremo, I even Googled "ancient plastic", all I got was a reference to some album or song by that name. lol But, just something I needed to understand, a discrepency in what is otherwise overwhelming evidence of Extreme Human Antiquity.

All of the major artefacts we have encountered are mostly made from stone. I had an argument with a poster on Liberty Forum about it and he just would not believe me when I said that after a couple hundred years something made from steel would be unrecognizable and be dust after a thousand. He mistook strength for durability. Just because steel is strong does not mean that it does not break down, turn to rust, and disappear in less than a thousand years, but it does. Stone though can last for thousands, and although a bit worse for wear even sandstone structures, such as the Sphinx, are still recognizable after thousands of years. The true age of some of these monuments is uncertain, but one Arab Translator, Ibn Ben Said, translated one Stele at Giza that suggests that the Great Pyramid was built about 74,000 years ago. What would a piece of steel that old look like? Dust in the wind.

Yes, I was aware of that one, curiously it was an Evolutionist documentary, The Future Is Wild, where I discovered that. It started with the premise that Mankind would suddenly become extinct for reasons unknown, and so part of episode one was dedicated to what would happen to our civilisation - all the steel, glass and concrete would be gone within a millenium. And interestingly enough, they predicted the Pyramids and Sphinx would be the last to go - but only because they get gradually covered in sand. lol

It made sense to me, stone does outlast everything else. My country is littered with megaliths, the most famous being Newgrange Co. Meath, and also thousands of forts from the Bronze Age, but no trace of the wood and straw huts that were in them. So, that would also true for more modern building material.

The true age of some of these monuments is uncertain, but one Arab Translator, Ibn Ben Said, translated one Stele at Giza that suggests that the Great Pyramid was built about 74,000 years ago. What would a piece of steel that old look like? Dust in the wind.

Certainly no comparison there between stone and steel.

And also those ancients appear to have been using advanced but different technology than we do in our current culture. They seem to have preferred natural materials. Particularly stone as the entire planet is ringed with stone structures and monuments.

Certainly appears that way. They perhaps were better able to resist the corporate culture than us, thus less of a tendency towards mass producing cheap, flimsy products, preferring instead to construct objects that last. I suppose Western Civ was even like that until fairly recently.

That does not mean they were primitive though, as they could do complex things with stone which we are just now getting to where we can duplicate some of it. We could not right now duplicate the Great Pyramid at Giza. The Japanese tried making a scaled down duplicate only 35 feet high. They couldn't do it. It kept coming out crooked. Some of the stonework at Giza is accurate to within thousandths of an inch. Not only do I laugh at the thought of that being done with stone and copper tools, on granite of all things - one of the hardest rocks, but the precision is literally aerospace grade.

Well, it's interesting to note we are having the exact same difficulty with recreating past manmade splendor as we do recreating perfection seen in the natural world artificially - like for example, engineers are only recently perfecting the monocopter blade - based on the aerodynamically perfect maple/sycamore seed. So that would suggest that past civilisations did surpass us technologically in at least some areas.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-16 05:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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