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Title: Big night for tea party: O'Donnell wins Delaware
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/ ... -party-odonnell-wins-delaware/
Published: Sep 15, 2010
Author: DAVID ESPO
Post Date: 2010-09-15 06:39:42 by Ada
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Tea party favorite O'Donnell wins GOP Senate primary in Delaware over longtime congressman Virtually unknown a month ago, Christine O'Donnell rode a surge of support from tea party activists to victory in Delaware's Republican Senate primary Tuesday night, dealing yet another setback to the GOP establishment in a campaign season full of them. A second insurgent led narrowly for the GOP nomination in New Hampshire. O'Donnell defeated nine-term Rep. Mike Castle, a fixture in Delaware politics for a generation and a political moderate. Republican Party officials, who had touted him as their only hope for winning the seat in the fall, made clear as the votes were being counted they would not provide O'Donnell funding in the general election campaign. She enters the fall campaign as an underdog to Chris Coons, a county executive who was unopposed for the Democratic nomination. The Republican state chairman, Tom Ross, said recently she "could not be elected dogcatcher," and records surfaced during the campaign showing that the IRS had once slapped a lien against her and that her house had been headed for foreclosure. She also claimed falsely to have carried two of the state's counties in a race against Vice President Joe Biden six years ago. With unemployment high and President Barack Obama's popularity below 50 percent, Republicans said a run of hotly contested primaries this spring and summer reflected voter enthusiasm that will serve the party well in the fall. The GOP needs to win 40 seats to take the House and 10 for control of the Senate. Democrats countered that the presence of tea party-supported Republicans on the ballot on Nov. 2 would prove costly to the GOP. That proposition will be tested in seven weeks' time in Senate races in Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky — all states where establishment Republican candidates fell in earlier primaries — and now Delaware. In the other marquee race of the night, for New Hampshire's Republican Senate nomination, lawyer Ovide Lamontagne led former Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, 40 percent to 38 percent, with votes counted from more than a third of the precincts. Lamontagne, a former chairman of the state Board of Education, campaigned with the support of tea party activists, while Ayotte had a coalition of establishment Republicans, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and other conservatives. The winner will face Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes, who is giving up his seat in the House to run for the Senate. Nearly complete returns from Delaware showed O'Donnell with 53 percent of the vote. "Don't ever underestimate the power of 'we the people,'" she told supporters who cheered her triumph. But Coons issued a statement moments after Castle's defeat. "We cannot let Joe Biden's seat fall into ultraconservative hands," he said. Democratic New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch rolled to renomination for a fourth term, and he will face John Stephen, a former state health commissioner who won the GOP line on the ballot easily. In New York, 40-year veteran Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel easily won renomination in his first time on the ballot since the House ethics committee accused him of 13 violations, most of them relating to his personal finances. In all, five states chose nominees for the Senate, and six more had gubernatorial hopefuls on the ballot in the final big night of a primary season marked by recession and political upheaval. The winners had scant time to refocus their energies for midterm elections on Nov. 2. Castle's defeat boosted the number of members of Congress who have lost primaries to eight, five Republicans and three Democrats. But that list does not include a lengthy list of GOP contenders who fell to tea party-supported challengers despite having the backing of party officials eager to maximize their gains in November. The Republican primary in Delaware took a sharp turn for the negative three weeks ago after the Tea Party Express, Palin and Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina announced they would come to O'Donnell's aid. Castle, a former two-term governor and a veteran of nearly two decades in the House, was repeatedly assailed as a liberal, a Republican in name only. He and the party responded by challenging O'Donnell's fitness for public office. In an extraordinary move, the state Republican Party launched automated phone calls attacking O'Donnell in the campaign's final hours. The calls feature the voice of a woman who identifies herself as Kristin Murray, O'Donnell's campaign manager in her 2008 unsuccessful Senate campaign, accusing the candidate of "living on campaign donations — using them for rent and personal expenses, while leaving her workers unpaid and piling up thousands in debt." Biden resigned the seat in early 2009, shortly after being sworn in as vice president, and his successor, Democratic Sen. Ted Kaufman, pledged not to run for a full term. In Wisconsin, businessman Ron Johnson defeated two minor opponents for the Republican nomination to oppose three-term Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold in November in what polls show is a tight race. Johnson has said he will spend millions of his own money to finance his campaign through Election Day. In New York, Democratic Attorney General Andrew Cuomo faced no opposition for the party's nomination for governor, and he will be the prohibitive favorite in the fall for an office his father held for three terms. Political novice Carl Paladino, a wealthy developer who enjoyed tea party support, defeated Rep. Rick Lazio for the Republican nomination. Lazio angled for the conservative nomination and a spot on the November ballot anyway. In Maryland, former Republican Gov. Bob Ehrlich won the nomination for a rematch against the man who ousted him from office in 2006, Democratic Gov. Martin O'Malley. In Wisconsin, Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker defeated former Rep. Mark Neumann for the Republican nomination for governor. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett won the Democratic nomination. Rangel's principal challenger for the nomination in his Harlem-based district was Adam Clayton Powell IV, a state assemblyman whose father Rangel defeated 40 years ago. In the decades since, Rangel rose to become chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, with enormous power over taxes, trade, Medicare and more, but Democrats forced him to step aside from that panel while he battles ethics charges. He is accused of accepting several New York City rent-stabilized apartments, and omitting information on his financial disclosure forms. He's also accused of failing to pay taxes from a rental property in the Dominican Republic, and improperly soliciting money for a college center to be named after him. He has vowed to fight the charges, and faces an ethics committee trial, possibly after the elections. A second New York Democratic incumbent, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, won easily despite a spirited challenge. Rhode Island had a rare open seat in its two-member House delegation, following the decision of Democratic Rep. Patrick Kennedy to retire. Providence Mayor David Cicilline, who is openly gay, defeated three rivals for the Democratic nomination. 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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
I looked at O'Donnel's web site and concluded that she is a typical republican on the issues. She agrees with barack Obama on all the big issues - war, heavy taxation she favors, torture she will not oppose so she supports it, same with police state issues, she loves war. she says she's going to balance the budget with budget cuts, meaning services to the domestic population who pays the taxes are going to be cut to protect the war spending and the debt spending. Her differences with Obama are very small and marginal. She is a very typical republican.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Castle was an establishment disaster. The less of them around the better. I'm open to any viable political solutions. Anyone?
The fact of the matter is that if Jesus Christ ran for public office, you would be against him. No one on Earth is good enough in your eyes. So you are either a paid plant, or an idiot. I am not sure which you are.
The Tea Party is playing it smart. They are going for state seats, and they are going for congressional and senate seats. This is something the libertarians rarely do. At the very least, this will gum up the works, preventing the elitists from fully implementing their plans in government before the complete collapse of the nation. This will likely prevent a direct dictatorship in full control, and instead lead to an armed rebellion by the people.
*Anybody* who can rid the political landscape of Mike Castle has done good. As you say, outside of a Ron Paul who refuses to run the type of bare knuckle campaign needed to beat these entrenched elitists, I'm not hearing solutions to the mess we're in. Some say vote 3rd party? Been there since Perot. When a party gets 1.5% of the national vote, it's a waste to invest time, money & your vote.
The choice in Delaware is the career pol & bearded Marxist, Coons, or the novice O'Donnell. As sucky as that is, that's the deal. One will empower Obama far more than the other, IMO.
That's all we have to look forward to, both parties are traitors to the Constitution right now.
__________________________________________________________ I deny that your assertion is true. I assert instead that all of the 'alternative' candidates put before us are themselves controlled puppets. It is not too difficult for O'Donnel to say that she favors pulling the troops back from wars. After all 2/3's of Americans would agree with her if she were to do that. She must stick with the one third still in favor of these wars. Only a puppet would do that. same with derivatives trade. Anybody with a brain can discern that it is very harmful to us and should not be legal. Obama recently made it legal until 2022. she won't even criticize the opposing party's leader when she is selling herself as an agent of change. what about corporate income taxes? When the US government changed up corporate income taxes under Bush in early 2000's it gave away about 5% of its total revenue. and for no gain at all. Big corporations do not create jobs in America and have not for 50 years. We had more people employed by the big 500 corporations in 1960 inside of our nation than we do today. O'Donnell's going to balance the budget, but not concerned about collecting revenues. it is not that I would not vote for anyone but Jesus, it is that you simply can't see the picture in front of us.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
This win should help O'Donnell in her anti-masterbation campaign. Over the years, it hasn't been gaining any ground, but now she take the lusty and naughty masterbaters to task. Is the only opposition to a "moderate" RINO a social conservative with a pro war, anti masterbation, Israel first platform? Is O'Donnell rapture ready?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
O'Donnell's statements on porn and sex-related issues are OK. but it is not what a US senator normally concerns herself with. One guy said he supports O'Donnel because he wants the 10'th ammendment of the constitution followed. But at the same time Obama just passed a law greatly enabling the Federal reserve to regulate the financial industry. Since when does the constitution say that a private company should be put in charge of regulation of their own industry? The constitution doesn't even allow us to participate in a war without congress declaring war. Yet it is done. and O'Donnel has no problem with these things. She's a fraud if she expects to tell people that she is not a typical Republican - like either Bush or Obama.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Let the oafs dig down deep to feed RonPaulInc. He'll lead us to the promised land. Talk about phony Rs....
Are you saying "principles" are a don't care issue when considering a new representative in political power?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Did she come out against the UN Moon Treaty? If not, that means that she supports it. Did she come out explicitly against midget porn? If not, that means she supports that too. Heck bro, did she come out, specifically, against poisoning and cooking babies? If not, that means she supports that...TOO!
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
I'm saying she "retired" a career prick politician last night and will be a steady vote to reduce MY personal taxes, thus reducing central government, however small that might be. If white guilters can vote for a FREAK, I can vote for my pocketbook. RP would be wonderful, but he's busy dusting for fingerprints on or near Ft Knox for missing gold.
derivatives trade is a very major issue. did you comprehend that the volume of derivatives trade is ten times our gdp? it was stated in major papers like Bloomberg that derivatives trade was a prime cause of the $20+ trillion in bailouts that have occurred. tea party people have said they're opposed to those bailouts. Just in the last 2 months prominent legislation was passed on 'financial reform'. In that law derivatives trade was legalized through 2022. any reasonable person interested in our nation's welfare would see that this issue is important and expect all of the politicians to comment on it prior to election so that the people know where they stand. Suicide is good I guess. i'm out of step. I should go along. these issues, derivatives trade and the bailouts, these represent suicide for our nation. I guess it is not important enough to expect them to speak on though. my tag line comes from Psalm 137 where a nation that is enslaved to a kingdom named Babylon is described. that is our nation. We are ruled by a small clique that has no sympathy for us, does not care for our values, is actively working against us even. we don't even have people in the mass media willing to discuss these issues. Back in the late 1970's CIA officials testified under oath publicly before congress that they were taking over our mass media and having great success at it. This is why we're so stupid and we don't even see that these derivatives are death to our prosperity and our freedoms both. People seem frequently to only be able to comprehend and consider ideas and facts first given to them by the television or the mass media. Our citizens themselves understand they are walking 'off the reservation' if they go outside of that thought box framed for them by the mass media. This O'Donnell lady is as different from other republicans as Barack Obama is different from bush republicans. no real difference.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
if you really think that O'Donnell is a social conservative, then ask why it is that she has not come out against the Department of Education. The DOE is a huge bureaucracy that funds public schools all over America making many of them absolutely dependent on the federal government. To get that money they have to agree to hire a psychiatrist and drug up little children. To get that money they have to agree to indoctrinate children in an extreme pro-homosexual manner. Real social conservatives don't go for the DOE. Republicans almost doubled spending on the DOE in 2001. They also passed laws to greatly empower the DOE. it seems like her talk on sex is just for show. Those ideas properly belong with the educators. and she won't even free the educators from the DOE. she's a fraud.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I think that politicians have a responsibility to communicate to the voters how they stand on the big important issues. can't get much bigger of an issue than derivatives trade. Should we allow businesspeople to engage in transactions that result in massive quantities of money ($1.4 quadrillion we're told) to be just made up out of thin air and distributed among the participants? They're making money out of thin air. and you think this isn't something for a politician to be expected to comment on. I just expect them to have brains in their heads and to pay attention and to be responsible. This lady doesn't qualify.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I was attempting to demonstrate to you the fallacy of attributing motives based on things not said at all. It's easy to do, requires no proof of actual belief regarding the targeted person, and allows all sorts of strange conclusions to be reached. My comment about the UN Moon Treaty demonstrates this. Some people for real get worked up over that treaty. Like big time. And for a myriad of reasons, almost all of them just, right and good. However, when you're talking to an audience whose concern is, say, deregulating the dairy industry, throwing out all kinds of things (or even anything) about the UN Moon Treaty is silly. A campaign has to be focused, concise and concentrate on only a few key themes. Not just for her, for all running politicians. When I sat in an official "seat" in my state's libertarian party in the early 1990's they used to go to all lengths of idiocy debating things like the Moon Treaty, and rarely ever focused on relevant issues to help the candidates. And the candidates, being rudderless, started addressing potential voters with things that frankly they were not focused on, and of course, the candidates always lost. Focused, concise, and perhaps not always in line with what YOU may feel needs emphasized, is what is required. My suggestion, as I have made to you when you've done this in the past, is to write her campaign and ask them if she actually does support the things you're inventing out of whole cloth. Then, you'll not be bearing false witness.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
You really are a dumb-fuck begging for the good ol' days back when Y2K was a popular consideration.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
To YOU. To YOU. To the majority of people, if you start saying the words "derivative trading" you're going to get either a glazed over expression or a "wait..dairy trading?". If you want the popular vote, you have to hammer on simple themes with emotional appeal. Derivative trading is the exact opposite of that, and I wouldn't blame any political candidate for not talking about it during a run in the primaries. You might as well talk to votes about Oracle Database Administration if you're going to go down that path. Get it? I would love to see the day arrive when the common majority of people could obtain this level of discourse. And it can happen. But it can't happen today, right now, they have to be allowed to think again (first, destroy the public schools, heh). A candidate can tell the truth, be honest and do what he/she can, but committing political suicide seems kind of futile.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
if she ridiculed president Obama for legalizing derivatives trade to 2022 and spoke some of the things I spoke about it, then she'd gain votes. but lose with the establishment of course. I smell a puppet.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Of ten people...while losing the interest (and votes) of a thousand. Don't you see what I'm telling you, sir? That's because you're bearing false witness. You're attributing things to people that they have not said and then calling them a rat. Using your technique, which you've done against other politicians as well in the past, one can construct any kind of homunculus that one wishes and then declare that monstrosity "a puppet". Write her campaign, find out the truth, then spread the word. Telling me "what she didn't address ergo she supports it" is sophistry, and bad sophistry at that.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Such a well thought out reply, said only from the safety of Internet vapor.
The "tea" party is a chance to amend the nation at this time. I don't subscribe to it... moreover, I don't belong to it; still, it is an interesting political phenomena within contemporary politics. You seem to digress into insipid rants all the time based upon vapor, yourself. Changes are coming. I don't agree with many of them..... but I vote third party just like you.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You really are a dumb-fuck begging for the good ol' days back when Y2K was a popular consideration. Such a well thought out reply, said only from the safety of Internet vapor. I saw his reply to you so I had to scroll up and see why he attacked. For the record it's been an open secret for decades that RINO HINO (Republican and Hetero In Name Only) Mike Castle likes little boys' asses, and the late-middle aged Castle only married the homely chick from a powerful Republican construction dynasty to serve as his beard because it's generally accepted that single men don't get elected to Congress. My former state police and DE General Assembly confidante told me years ago that Castle was a regular on the Rehoboth Beach boardwalk, as are many Washington VIQs who don't have enough vacation time or the desire to go all the way to Fire Island or to Provincetown on Cape Cod. In these places the sashaying queens are protected by the police and catered to by the merchants, hotels and restaurants, and discretion is essential to the continuous flow of the returning gaybux every season. I don't care what O'Donnell stands for, I'm just glad that Mike Castle's enchanted run as our "other fair haired son" is finally over. Castle was replaced as the favorite by Tom Carper who after serving as our lone rep and then governor (when he and Castle traded jobs, Castle leaving the governorship to go to congress) then Carper unseated the wormy, corrupt Senator Bill Roth. According to "The Dupont Way" the next logical step was Castle to Biden's seat, but the people of this state actually broke from tradition and followed the Tea Party Piper. And, you're correct to applaud Castle's loss because he was no good on the tax & spend or gun issues, and had he been a DEM no one would have seen anything he ever voted for or against that would cause them to question his affiliation. He probably remained a PUB because he was "Pete" du Pont's lt. governor, and the two parties (which is to say The Dupont Company) arranged the elections so that two strong candidates didn't go head to head until Roth forced the DEMs' hand by refusing to retire at the age of 125 or there about, and even after falling three times for the reporters and news cameras. It was Carper's turn in the senate but Roth actually believed that America needed his experience! HAH! Tradition mandates arranged victories for both as the other party agrees to field a geek who can't win anyway. And when the candidate's scheduled ascendancy comes due he/she wins. Funny state, Delaware. These political upsets (in primaries from within their own ranks no less) have got the Pubs on "Lawyers Row" and "The Company" screwing themselves into the ground as is evidenced by the News Journal's coverage of the rebellion. Delawareans aren't allowed to do this and it will have to be looked into.... OMG! Imagine if working class and small business peepul instead of bigshot lawyers and corporate sharks select the candidates! "What in the Hell is this country coming to?"__Sheriff Buford T. Justice after meeting the nigra sheriff-GASP! of Jasper County, GA The last time the PUBs whined like this was when Carper failed to reconfirm an arrogant ass of a state supreme court justice. I wrote a letter to the ED that read, "The tears shed over this (failure to reconfirm the justice) wouldn't wet a stick of chewing gum." Some asshole Republican actually replied and said that he cried over it! I laffed so hard I damn near died!
she had an opportunity to take a stand on some important issues I mentioned. She has her web site. I don't have to write them. it should be on her web- site.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I assert that YOU are a controlled puppet.
That's a lot of hubris on your part guy. "She had a chance to express things I think are important, but didn't! My issues should be on her website!" C'mon. I mean really, c'mon. Have you contacted her campaign yet and asked what her positions are on the issues you feel are important? And if not, there's no reason to take your "j'accuse!" statements, fabricated out of whole cloth, seriously.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
can you name me just one issue of practical significance where US Senate candidate Christine O'Donnel is different from President Obama? she's pro-war - just like Obama she does not want to roll back the Patriot Act & related legislation, so she's for a police state - just like Obama she does not want to roll back the Militry Commissions Act that legalized torture - just like Obama her only differences from Obama are that she says she wants to cut spending on the domestic population who paythe taxes. Obama just cut across the board compensations to doctors under medicare. Obama has said that social security must be cut in the future. So on this isue again, she is directly the same as Obama from all we can tell. she's a tax collector for the bankers and the war- makers. just like Obama. Has she criticized the big bankers for their schemes. Governor blogojevich of Illinois did that and was promptly arrested. he was a rebel. I've never heard tea-party people say that we just should not pay back the money our government owes to bankers. she should. we should eliminate the federal reserve and stop the wars, bring all the troops home. that would be radical change that we need. we're not getting statements from tea-party people in this direction.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I'm sorry, but the two biggest issues by far are the extreme pro-war stance of our government and the financial looting that our government facilitates. If she can't speak against those things, then she's a very poor leader. You prefer that we be ruled over people who are ruining our nation? you have strange values.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
she does not want to roll back the Patriot Act & related legislation, so she's for a police state - just like Obama she does not want to roll back the Militry Commissions Act that legalized torture - just like Obama Interesting how you fell to state that Obama campaigned for the opposite of what he stands for now. And for that matter, as SonOfLiberty pointed out, you are inventing things in your mind. You think what she hasn't talked about she is what she is for. Such fantasies on your part is a sign of mental instability.
The two biggest issues that you feel are the two biggest issues. You clearly do not understand how campaigns need to be constructed to work. I've tried to explain it to you, but you persist in your view without event he slightest sign that you've read what I've tried to present. Whatever. And there you go now, directed towards me. I do not hold that position, nor have I indicated as such, but, you've made your own deductions based on nothing but conjecture, without asking, then made a judgment of affirmation as if your opinion were fact ("you have strange values."). That is wholly dishonest. For a religious guy (so you claim) you seem to have no problem with deceit, lying or bearing false witness if it suits your purposes or agenda. Maybe you should reconsider the religion you've chosen to follow, sir, or better, come to understand your own error and not compound it through defensiveness. I suspect we've not a lot more to say on this thread.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
I'm beginning to wonder.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
I appreciate your responses. you're right that we're just going to disagree on these things. I do understand what you say that conventional wisdom is that in your campaigns you must speak to the issues the voters are familiar with. the mass media determines these things. the mass media works for the oligarchs who rule. I'd get out of that pattern if I wanted to be a real leader. If Christine O'Donnell said what I'd prefer her to say, then she'd be destroyed by onemeans or another. we've passed the point of no return. Our democracy is broken and I have no hope that it will work.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I don't disagree. The problem is that to get out of it, candidates have to be elected who run the mindless campaigns, and then they go balls to the wall and eliminate these kinds of lunacies. Quite so. I'm always hoping democracy fails. I prefer a constitutional republic, as America was established to be. :)
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
During the campaign Obama spoke in vague uncommitted ways against the war agenda. Just like the tea-party people speak in vague uncommitted ways about 'smaller government'. But in reality Obama also ridicled bush for his unwillingness to expand the Afghan war with more troops and attacks on Pakistan. Obama's actual statements on his web site said that he would keep troops in Iraq - which he is still doing. So, I don't think Obama actually said he was against the war policies, he supported them during the campaign. However, he spoke in such a way as to mislead. I think the tea-party people are the same. they support the agenda developed by the oligarchs who rule. Their purpose is to mislead us.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
at least I do appreciate that goal. I think that a good-functioning constitutional republic acting in our nation's interest is a good goal. and it would depend on having an elite group with lots of integrity to make it work. Unfortunately, I feel we just don't have that. I think we have a mercantile or business-based oligarchy. and I feel that spiritual forces are causing realities that we have little control over presently from a practical point of view.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Now, you are just lying. Obama made promises that he did not keep. The only one talking in a vague uncommitted way is you.
The Prick promises to end War on Oct 27, 2007! "You can take that to the bank." I heard several versions of this talk spoken to largely white, middle American crowds. This was invariably the big applause line that made the evening news. Now his generals tell us that we're going to be in the area for another decade. I remember thinking at the time: "You lousy liar."
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
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I looked at O'Donnel's web site and concluded that she is a typical republican on the issues. She agrees with barack Obama on all the big issues - war, heavy taxation she favors, torture she will not oppose so she supports it, same with police state issues, she loves war. she says she's going to balance the budget with budget cuts, meaning services to the domestic population who pays the taxes are going to be cut to protect the war spending and the debt spending. Her differences with Obama are very small and marginal. She is a very typical republican.
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Castle was an establishment disaster. The less of them around the better. I'm open to any viable political solutions. Anyone?
#10. To: PaulCJ (#9)
#11. To: PaulCJ, Chris Coons, the bearded Marxist, all (#9)
www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36726.html
#12. To: PaulCJ (#9)
This will likely prevent a direct dictatorship in full control, and instead lead to an armed rebellion by the people.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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The fact of the matter is that if Jesus Christ ran for public office, you would be against him.
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#20. To: SonOfLiberty (#18)
#21. To: abraxas (#14)
#22. To: SonOfLiberty (#18)
#23. To: Red Jones (#20)
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
white guilters
#25. To: Red Jones (#22)
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can't get much bigger of an issue than derivatives trade. S
#26. To: SonOfLiberty (#25)
#27. To: Red Jones (#26)
if she ridiculed president Obama for legalizing derivatives trade to 2022 and spoke some of the things I spoke about it, then she'd gain votes
I smell a puppet.
#28. To: buckeroo (#24)
You really are a dumb-fuck begging for the good ol' days back when Y2K was a popular consideration.
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
Such a well thought out reply, said only from the safety of Internet vapor.
#30. To: Jethro_Tull, PSUSA, christine, James_Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty (#28)
I'm saying she "retired" a career prick politician last night and will be a steady vote to reduce MY personal taxes, thus reducing central government, however small that might be. If white guilters can vote for a FREAK, I can vote for my pocketbook. RP would be wonderful, but he's busy dusting for fingerprints on or near Ft Knox for missing gold.
#31. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
#32. To: Red Jones (#13)
I deny that your assertion is true. I assert instead that all of the 'alternative' candidates put before us are themselves controlled puppets.
#33. To: Red Jones (#31)
she had an opportunity to take a stand on some important issues I mentioned. She has her web site. I don't have to write them. it should be on her web- site.
#34. To: PaulCJ (#32)
#35. To: SonOfLiberty (#33)
#36. To: Red Jones (#34)
she's pro-war - just like Obama
#37. To: Red Jones (#35)
I'm sorry, but the two biggest issues by far are the extreme pro-war stance of our government and the financial looting that our government facilitates. If she can't speak against those things, then she's a very poor leader.
You prefer that we be ruled over people who are ruining our nation? you have strange values.
#38. To: PaulCJ (#36)
Such fantasies on your part is a sign of mental instability.
#39. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
You clearly do not understand how campaigns need to be constructed to work
#40. To: Red Jones (#39)
I do understand what you say that conventional wisdom is that in your campaigns you must speak to the issues the voters are familiar with. the mass media determines these things. the mass media works for the oligarchs who rule. I'd get out of that pattern if I wanted to be a real leader.
If Christine O'Donnell said what I'd prefer her to say, then she'd be destroyed by onemeans or another. we've passed the point of no return.
Our democracy is broken and I have no hope that it will work.
#41. To: PaulCJ (#36)
#42. To: SonOfLiberty (#40)
I'm always hoping democracy fails. I prefer a constitutional republic, as America was established to be.
#43. To: Red Jones (#41)
During the campaign Obama spoke in vague uncommitted ways against the war agenda.
#44. To: PaulCJ, Red Jones (#43)
Obama made promises that he did not keep.
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