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Title: A Hatemail Turtle Got
Source: Email
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Published: Sep 15, 2010
Author: Somebody
Post Date: 2010-09-15 11:14:55 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 4805
Comments: 134

Dear Bob Wallace,

Just so you know, many of us supposedly "lesser-intelligent" Blacks (or Afro-Americans, or whatever) actually are demonstrably intelligent despite your desperate attempts to portray and/or describe us to the contrary.

I myself currently hold TWO Master's degrees (one of which is an MA in "Communications in Contemporary Society" from the Johns Hopkins University). Obviously, your overly simplistic, preconceived, and ridiculous notions of Black people must reflect an extremely limited exposure (or lack thereof); so I'll cut you some slack.

However, in the future, while deeply engrossed in composing the next installment of your baseless, racist diatribes, do try to "wrap" your superior European brain around the very real fact that not all Blacks are stupid, mentally challenged and/or incapable of serious intellectual debate. After all, I frequently read White Nationalist/Supremacist websites for unorthodox (and in your case, preposterous) viewpoints. In short: GROW THE F%*K UP!!

Sincerely,

"Blaqbuck" M.S.L.S./M.A.

P.S. Yeah, you guessed it genius, the above name's a pseudonym (just like yours Bob "yeah, right" Wallace)... See, us Blacks can use smart words, too. Idiot!


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#7. To: Turtle (#0)

one of which is an MA in "Communications in Contemporary Society" from the Johns Hopkins University

I believe it.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-09-15   11:39:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#7)

one of which is an MA in "Communications in Contemporary Society" from the Johns Hopkins University

I believe it.

It's not a real degree. I want to see a black with a Ph.D. in Physics or Math.

Turtle  posted on  2010-09-15   11:42:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#9)

I want to see a black with a Ph.D. in Physics or Math.

Neil deGrasse Tyson has a Ph.D. degree in astrophysics.

You can see him right now--

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-15   12:19:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#16)

Interesting he's fairly light-skinned and has mostly white features.

I want to see one who looks like O.J. Simpson or Joe Frazier.

Turtle  posted on  2010-09-15   12:21:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Turtle (#17)

Okay, here is Sylvester James Gates, theoretical physics Phd.

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-15   12:38:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#18)

And both made it in America, created and founded by whites. For that matter, math and physics were created by whites.

Without white people, Africa would be permanently in 20,000 B.C.

Both these guys should thank God their ancestors were taken as slaves from Africa and that they were born in the U.S.

Turtle  posted on  2010-09-15   12:45:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Turtle (#19) (Edited)

math and physics were created by whites.

No, they were not.

The zero which makes much of the mathmatics and physics of today possible, didn't come from whitie. Indians were the first to bring up the idea of using "nothing" as a number. It was then adopted by the Arabs, who developed on it as a mathemical subject itself. Theoretical physics would be nowhere without the Indians.

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-15   13:11:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: abraxas (#28)

math and physics were created by whites.

No, they were not.

97% of everything in the world was created by Europeans and their descendents in the U.S. If everyone else has never existed, the world would have barely noticed.

Turtle  posted on  2010-09-16   10:43:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Turtle (#72)

Balony. You buy into the history written by Europeans that forgets to pay tribute to the original sources of much knowledge. Doesn't change the fact that the ideas they claim to be original were actually not original to them.

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-16   10:52:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: abraxas, Turdle, Turtle, farmfriend, all (#74)

Balony. You buy into the history written by Europeans that forgets to pay tribute to the original sources of much knowledge. Doesn't change the fact that the ideas they claim to be original were actually not original to them.

Poor Turdle's limp grasp upon the march of history, the rise and fall of civilizations and the ages of man is truly monumental in its prodigious shallowness.

When his ancestors were scratching flea bites from the menagerie in their poorly tanned hides the Chinese were weaving silk, composing poetry, and building gardens of delight. He really should be more respectful of them - after all they taught the europeans about the wonders of bathing and that miracle of personal hygiene called, euphemistically, "wiping" after their stool.

When Turdle's ancestors were foraging for Turnips, and the odd passer by to rob, the Syrians were forging steel - thus the term Damascus Steel.

While Turdle's ancestors were huddling around the smoky fire in their thatch roofed mud daub huts India was building palaces and cities of marble and stone.

Poor Turdle. His erudition is limited to such a narrow timeline that he cannot recall or even grasp that his silly notions and febrid imaginings are a faint and insubstantial mist. The ravings of the benighted lost and wandering upon the boundless and clouded sea of his own ignorance.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-17   0:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Original_Intent, Turtle (#79)

When his ancestors were scratching flea bites from the menagerie in their poorly tanned hides the Chinese were weaving silk, composing poetry, and building gardens of delight.

And inventing gunpowder, glass and BBQ sauce, but what did they do with it? Nothing. It took Western Man to understand the significance of the invention and run with it.

If we lived under a "classic" Chinese system all we'd have are Buddhist Priest who wore glasses because they could and firecrackers...while we all pulled rickshaws.

Always ask yourself this question: How many flags are there on the Moon and whose are they?

There's 6 and they're all American

Flintlock  posted on  2010-09-17   1:30:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Flintlock, wudidiz, abraxas, farmfriend, Turdle, Turtle, christine, HighLairEon, all (#80) (Edited)

My point is not to degrade the accomplishments of Europe and America. My point was simply that Turdle suffers from tunnel vision, parochialism, provincialism, and myopia. Outside of that his vision is spotty at best. The occasional bon mot and insight is vastly outweighed by an obstreperous and overall superficial view of the world and its peoples.

I have a somewhat broader and more expansive view of what constitutes civilized than simple technological tricks. Going to the Moon was a great accomplishment and a worthy first step toward a larger universe. However, we should have already been to Mars and back - 20 years ago. Why we haven't is another issue which I won't take up here.

However, the measure of a civilization is not simply a matter of being able to build the fanciest technology. Not that I am denigrating it or a Luddite and opposed to such but that there are other measures than "gee whizz" technology which define civilization. The ancient Greeks of the Golden Age were an advanced culture. No, they didn't go to the moon, but they gave us such as Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras, Euclid, Anaximenes, Parmenides, Anaximander, Solon, Aeschylus, Ptolemy, Diogenes, Socrates, Homer, and on and on. They did not have electricity, flush toilets, or put a man on the moon, but they formed ideas that are still current, still talked about, pondered, and considered.

Likewise the Chinese gave us Lao Tsu, Confucius, Sun Tzu, and the Great Wall. Too many inventions to chronicle in a short post. Gun Powder was but one as they were expert craftsmen and artists as well. No, they did not invent the gun or cannon, but then they did not engage in the kind of wholesale war and conquest favored, even then, by European rulers.

India is an interesting puzzle. Here is one that amuses me greatly when the racialists go into the shallow philosophizing on how the color of their skin somehow makes them superior. Generally what they attribute to skin color is actually a function of culture and the quirk that turned Europe into a forward looking and expanding society. It was that willingness to accept, and improve upon the inventions of others that really got the ball rolling. However, I digress. The Indian people are European, or Caucasian if you wish, in ancestry. Their distant ancestors were likely as pale skinned as their European ancestors, and their language, Sanskrit and today Hindi, are Indo European languages having their roots in the theorized root language from which all European languages derive. The cities of Moenhjo Daro and Harappa had running water and public baths well over a thousand years ago. About 7 or 8 years ago another city was found, about the size of Manhattan, problem being is that it is now covered by the sea in an average of 30 or 40 feet of water and more. The problem with that is that it means that city is likely at least 5,000 years old and likely older. So, here again when one takes a deeper look at human history one finds people again who were advanced, and so long advanced, that they went into decadence, decline and dissolution when Europe was still mostly forest and populated by animal skin wearing barbarians. Not to degrade Europe, or Europeans, but I make the comparison to illustrate the contrast. From India came perhaps the greatest philosopher of the ancient world Gautama Siddhartha - called simply The Buddha.

Likewise Africa, and its peoples. We know from some ruins, and enigmas such as the Great Zimbabwe, that Africa has as well has known the rise from barbarism, to growth, civilization, decadence, decline, and dissolution. Intriguing are the ruins rumored to be in the desert areas of Southern Africa where the ruins are so ancient that they are now mostly dust with occasionally the odd fragment surfacing from the sand and chronicled by some passer by. There hints and shapes and hints of shapes all suggestive of a once substantial civilization now long gone.

And so as a student of history and of civilizations I have a somewhat different perspective than bucktoothed, hillbilly pseudo intellectuals and and their collections of huckster quotes, assumptions, and a superiority complex born of ignorance such as evidenced in the estimable Mr. Turdle.

Mankind has been on this planet a long time. All races at one time or another have known civilization, and some of them quite high. It is an interesting conundrum to watch and elucidate the "reasoning" of those who insist upon interpreting superficialities, such as skin color as somehow reflecting the inner essence, or spirit, which is man. To buy into that one first has to buy into the materialist view that you are meat, that you are a sack of chemicals and water and that the interaction of those chemical reactions determines who and what you are. That is a very limited view of man. Since this post is already a little over long and it would take as much again to justify the point of view let me just state it simply for your consideration. For many many centuries disappearing into the dim and unrecorded past man has had the conception of himself, and that is in the inclusive sense including women, as a spiritual being i.e., the recognition that he was not merely his body and a mobile sack of meat. That spirit has been given many and varied names, soul, spirit, essence, or as Bergson put it the "Force Vitale" or life force which is what truly animates and gives light to that sack of mobile meat. That "Force Vitale" is the separate and distinct entity which is you, me, your neighbor, and the kid down the street. In other words there is that essence which is the person and not their body, not their skin color, their eyes, or anything else of the physical realm. All theories of racialism are basically materialism which denies that there is anything other than gross physical matter. And the concept that man is nothing more than a stimulus response piece of meat has no support in science, although its supporters try to pretend there is, but there is no Psychiatrist or Psychologist who can point at anything representing definitive proof that you are nothing more than meat. The upshot is that you ARE your own immortal soul, that which thinks, wonders, loves, and hates. And that soul, or life force which is you is not your body. Thus we can conclude, quite reasonably, that outward physical appearance may reflect the inner life force but it does not define it, rather it is exactly the opposite. From there we can also reach that skin color is nothing, nothing that defines the inner being. Sting got it right: We are spirits in the material world.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-17   2:51:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Original_Intent (#82)

Likewise Africa, and its peoples. We know from some ruins, and enigmas such as the Great Zimbabwe,

I think you're reaching here. (Great?) Zimbabwe ruins is a disorganized pile of rocks of a once minor trading center. Nothing great about it or the people who built it.

Intriguing are the ruins rumored to be in the desert areas of Southern Africa where the ruins are so ancient that they are now mostly dust with occasionally the odd fragment surfacing from the sand and chronicled by some passer by. There hints and shapes and hints of shapes all suggestive of a once substantial civilization now long gone.

Rumored is the key word here and if ever found will most likely be of Sumerian origin

Gotta run, I'm having minor technical problems with one of America's greatest inventions (besides Thermonuclear weapons, the computer, internet, steamship, airplane, machine gun, ram-air parachute, antibiotics, compound bow, hula hoop and Chili)

The American Motorcycle.

Flintlock  posted on  2010-09-17   10:57:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Flintlock (#91) (Edited)

The American Motorcycle.

Ah, yes, Hoggus Outstandus Oileakus the ride of the free spirit.

Yes, I have to agree that the evidence of ancient civilization in Africa is more tenuous than other places with more substantial markers. However, I fall back on the suggestion that it is of such great age that time has taken its toll. Great Zimbabwe is interesting not just because of its architecture, which is quite anomalous given the state of the region at the time it was discovered, but because it appears to have had no function other than as a representation of astronomical alignments and imagery. That implies a knowledged of astronomy, and some degree of mathematical knowledge so like Sherlock Holmes we are left trying to deduce the whole from the part.

Africa also seems to have undergone a considerable amount of geologic activity in the recent history of the last hundred thousand years or so. As an example the Nile used to drain out the other sided of the continent and into the Indian Ocean not the Atlantic. I won't spend a lot of time going into detail but satellite mapping of some of the desert areas has turned up substantial buried ruins which appear to date to a period of time when the area had a different surface form, influencing rainfall levels and drainage, and so the age, despite the protests of fixed ideas in lamestream archaeology, of a good 8,000 B.C. or before seems suggested by the evidence.

Interesting enough North America has its own anomalies, and the American Southwest was also at one time much wetter than now. While it was still relatively dry country in the time of the mysterious Anasazi the rain and water levels seem to have been enough more to support considerably more agriculture than takes place there now. As well are the rumors of cave systems that were inhabited in the very distant past. Geronimo seems to have known some of them and used them to elude the U.S. Cavalry on more than one occasion. And then of course there is Kennewick Man which can only be described as an "Oopart" (Out of Place Artifact) as here we find a Caucasian in a place where conventional theory holds that there should be no caucasians ten thousand years ago when he died in a remote area of Washington State.

The centuries have taken their toll, and along with the destruction of ancient records in Egypt and in China much of the thread to our distant ancestors has been lost.

My speculation on both Africa and North America is that both were on the receiving end of one, or more, of the apparent nuclear wars that took place in the distant past. However, that is speculation based on sketchy and incomplete, by far, evidence.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-17   13:53:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Original_Intent, Flintlock (#105) (Edited)

The American Motorcycle.

Ah, yes, Hoggus Outstandus Oileakus the ride of the free spirit.

LOL Harleys are not American motorcycles. And since they still use push rods I wouldn't brag about them being a great invention.

Now my husband rides a true American motorcycle, a Honda VTX 1800.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-09-17   16:53:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: farmfriend (#112)

Harley is not an American motorcycle and Honda is? What color is the sky on your home planet? LOL! Honda may have a manufacturing facility in the US, in fact it may have more than one, but it is a Japanese company started by Soichiro Honda who was born in Hamamatsu, Shizuoka, Japan in 1906.

By 1922 Soichiro Honda was working in a car shop in Tokyo doing medial tasks but became a trusted mechanic. There he worked on the Art Daimler racing car. Making parts for this car taught him invaluable lessons that would be used later in his career. When the car raced for the first time and won the trophy, Soichiro Honda was the mechanic and only 17 years old. Honda continued to work in the mechanic shop and his experience grew as he worked on Mercedes, Lincolns and Daimlers. At the age of 21 he opened his own auto shop in Hamamatsu.

Soon the employees of Honda learned that sloppy work and poor performance would not be tolerated with the lesson punctuated by Honda throwing tools. Honda wanted to build an engineering business but knew his own managerial shortcomings, so he developed Honda Motor Company in 1946 to build small motorcycles. Honda focused on the engineering and left the running of the company to Takeo Fujisawa. Their first product was a 98 cc two stroke motorcycle called Dream.

ezinearticles.com/?Soichi...-Motor-Company&id=3862886

The first Harley-Davidson motorcycle was built in Milwaukee, Wisconsin--still the location of the company's headquarters--in the early 1900s. The Davidson brothers--William, Walter, and Arthur--along with William S. Harley, designed and developed the bike and its three horsepower engine in their family shed. The machine went through many refinements until 1903, when the men established the Harley-Davidson Motor Company and produced three of their motorcycles for sale. Over the next several years both demand and production grew at a healthy rate, and by 1907 the company had begun to advertise.

Two years later the company produced a new model featuring a V-twin engine that produced a low, deep rumble now identified as the signature Harley-Davidson sound. The revolutionary engine--still a company standard&mdash-abled riders to reach speeds of 60 miles per hour, which until that time had been believed impossible. Such capabilities served to set the company's motorcycles apart from the competition; by 1911 there were 150 other companies manufacturing the vehicles.

www.fundinguniverse.com/c...-Inc-Company-History.html

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-09-17   17:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: James Deffenbach (#114)

Harley is not an American motorcycle and Honda is?

Yes. My husband bike was manufactured in the US by US workers. Over 40% of a Harley is foreign manufactured.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-09-17   18:32:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#117. To: farmfriend (#116)

The Harleys that I like (the older ones) certainly were not manufactured in any foreign country. At least not to my knowledge.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-09-17 18:41:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: farmfriend (#116)

If you read my post again you will see that I acknowledged that Honda had manufacturing facilities in the US. Wasn't always the case though. And don't get me wrong, I like Hondas. My first motorcycle was a Honda 450. Nice bike, ran well, handled well. I also had a Harley, a 65 model Panhead. And I had a Kawasaki. I like motorcycles, don't down any of them.

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