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Title: Americans Renew Call for Third Party
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URL Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/143051/A ... ns-Renew-Call-Third-Party.aspx
Published: Sep 19, 2010
Author: Jeffrey M. Jones
Post Date: 2010-09-19 14:03:13 by abraxas
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Americans Renew Call for Third Party Fifty-eight percent of Americans, and 62% of Tea Party supporters, favor third partyb y Jeffrey M. Jones PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' desires for a third political party are as high as they have been in seven years. Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe a third major political party is needed because the Republican and Democratic Parties do a poor job of representing the American people. That is a significant increase from 2008 and ties the high Gallup has recorded for this measure since 2003. The finding, based on an Aug. 27-30 USA Today/Gallup poll, comes at a time when Americans are widely dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States and give relatively weak approval ratings to the president and Congress. Though the rise in support for a third party could be linked to the Tea Party movement, Tea Party supporters are just about average in terms of wanting to see a third party created. Sixty-two percent of those who describe themselves as Tea Party supporters would like a third major party formed, but so do 59% of those who are neutral toward the Tea Party movement. Tea Party opponents are somewhat less likely to see the need for a third party. The desire for a third party is fairly similar across ideological groups, with 61% of liberals, 60% of moderates, and 54% of conservatives believing a third major party is needed. That is a narrower gap than Gallup has found in the past; conservatives have typically been far less likely than liberals and moderates to support the creation of a third party. Independents, as might be expected given their lack of primary allegiance to either of the two major parties, express a greater degree of support (74%) for a third party than do Republicans (47%) and Democrats (45%). Over time, independents have consistently been the political group most eager to see a third party formed. But each party group is more likely now than in 2008 to support the formation of a third major party. At that time, about two months before the presidential election, 38% of Democrats, 40% of Republicans, and 63% of independents thought a third party was necessary. Bottom Line Election results in recent years and polls from this year indicate Americans are frustrated with the job the two major parties have been doing. In 2006, voters elected a Democratic majority in Congress to replace the Republican majority, and in 2008 they elected a Democratic president to replace an outgoing Republican president. Polling on voters' 2010 voting intentions suggests that they may be poised to replace the Democratic majority in Congress with a Republican majority. But that seems to be as much because voters are rejecting Democrats as embracing Republicans. Given the lack of alternatives, it perhaps is no surprise that Americans' desires for a third party are as high as they've been in at least the last seven years. And while the formation of an official third party is not imminent, that desire may be manifested in voters' strong anti-incumbent sentiments this year. Survey Methods Results for this USA Today/Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Aug. 27-30, 2010, with a random sample of 1,021 adults, aged 18 and older, living in the continental U.S., selected using random-digit-dial sampling. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points. Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones (for respondents with a landline telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell phone-only). Each sample includes a minimum quota of 150 cell phone-only respondents and 850 landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents for gender within region. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday. Samples are weighted by gender, age, race, education, region, and phone lines. Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2009 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older non-institutionalized population living in continental U.S. telephone households. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting and sample design. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls. View methodology, full question results, and trend data. For more details on Gallup's polling methodology, visit http://www.gallup.com/.
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#1. To: abraxas, *Constitution Party* (#0)
Getting people to stop voting lesser of two evils is the key.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. ....real big key.
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lod
I still think I should be King. I would reintroduce the 8-track and platform shoes.
"Society is, always has been and always will be a structure for the exploitation and oppression of the majority through systems of political force dictated by an élite, enforced by thugs, uniformed or not, and upheld by a willful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the very majority whom the system oppresses." -- Richard K. Morgan
LOL I want bell bottom pants with cuffs to come back.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Impossible. When the two GIANT political parties taut their highly successful future planck offerings to most Americans (that are already overwhelmed with day-to day survival for self, family, friends and business associates) there isn't much time to look beyond the smiling faces of the Republocrats. Most people want to be successful in life. And as a result they identify and lean within that single political monolith. When the nation cracks wide open denying the potential success of AND about the American dream ... then and only then shall you see changes of others truly reaching out and grasping at straws.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Since Organized Jewry arranges the campaign funding for a sufficient number of candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties to be able to control Congress then the Donkeys and Elephants are effectively one party giving priority to the paymaster's commands. So under the present circumstances only a second party is needed -- the American Party -- to enable Americans to decide whether their taxes should be used for domestic purposes rather than Organized Jewry's programs of supporting Israel and on costly wars fighting the enemies of that illegal state,
You are probably right.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. A "third" party is a bad idea. Here's why. You get election after election of leftest wins while the right-of-center voters sort out their two parties. Multiple viable parties on all sides of the political spectrum might be better, but still one would win by plurality. The best solution is to take over the Republican party and turn it into what a third party would have been. ------- Third party wins by making one of the two major parties irrelevant. They become a third party.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Eventually. That may take years and many election cycles. I would prefer there be no political parties. George Washington was right in is warnings on them. Look what the radical-left did. They took over the Democrat party and turned it into a National-Socialist party. ------- Don't forget the Green party. They are the fourth largest party. They create the plurality on the left. No, I don't buy into that argument any more.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. In fact we can have all of the third party stuff we want as long as we conduct our campaigns with no help from any controlled media sources, or expect any campaign finance or party access relief legislation from the enemy who controls things now. And, if by some fluke a 3rd party candidate wins the popular vote then the SCOTUS will rule that while anyone can run for the office only a PUB or DEM can win the presidency....
I might have believed a third party could be beneficial 30 years ago before I understood the corrupting influence of the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM and its associated central banking entities. Today, I believe our best chance to recover liberty and justice for "all" is to remove all central banks from creating and issuing credit. There may be some advantage to leave their clearing houses in place purposed to process negotiable instruments, but the ability to create and issue credit leaves the bank owners in a position superior to the government and the law. This superior political position allows for much mischief and infiltration like we're witnessing immediately in the Tea Party effort, which in actuallity is a third party effort being purchased by political pundits (pariah) in the form of proxies such as Glenn Beck, Steve Forbes, Bill Bennett, and Sarah Palin that are without exception always PRO-ISRAEL and Anti-Islamic warmongers. Look, the American people want this current 2 faction (Dems and Reps) war party terminated. The Democraps and the Reflubricans have had ample opportunity to do right by the American people but have chosen instead to screw them continually. What would make anyone believe the banking cabal wouldn't be able to corrupt the third party or just buy it outright. The international banking cabal only has the ability to construct their international prison when we participate in the process using credit and cash supplied by them and HELP BUILD THE PRISON that will contain our children. This truly is insanity at its most dangerous level because most everyone is either addicted to it or too dumb to see the suicide they're committing. We need a Bank Burning Party if a party is what people want. I'll supply the beer, matches and gasoline. End The Fed !
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." Jesus Christ speaking to the Rabbis of his day.
You are missing the point in the problem with the two party fraud, Dillo. This right of center, left of center, dog and pony show ignores that both parties, no matter the degree from center, DON'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. Both parties are CORPORATE WHORES. Yes, multiple parties would be great. But, first people need to accept the painful truth that neither the Dems nor the Pubbies represent the interests of the people or the Constitution. Until this happens, you will see more of the same, not less.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Excellent points Noone..........one thing I can deem a sure bet--there will be no getting rid of the Fed with the two party fraud in power, both are in line with the ponzi scheme and wouldn't dream of lifting a finger to save this nation.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It is true, hondo, a picture does say a thousand words. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
My experience with 3rd parties is that it's near impossible to gain ballot access. IIRC, even Perot in '92, despite his billions, wasn't on the ballot in all 50 states. I did Buchanan & the Reform Party in '00, sans Perot billions, and Pat might have been on half the state ballots, tops. Add to this the the Presidential Debating Commission and their ability to keep 3rd party people invisible. The commission is comprised of one D and one R, both high ranking members of their Party's elite. It is they who decide who will appear in the national debates. If a candidate misses them, there is no hope. The PDC utilizes a rule that a candidate must be polling at least 15% before they are eligible. Guess who takes the polls? The very people who are most heavily vested in the two party system. 3rd parties are a great idea, but have a slim to none chance at breaking thru the obstacles that have been put in their path.
Then we need to outsmart them. What the hell are we waiting for? We have the Internet at our fingertips RIGHT NOW......but if these asswipes have their way we will not. Frankly, I cannot think of a better time to get a third party on in all 50 than right now. People are awake to the two party fraud and fed up with it. The lesser of two evil offering is getting worse every cycle. We need to ride on the massive discontent if we are EVER going to get anything done. I'm not an American't Jethro. Simply because previous attempts have failed, that is no reason to accept the corrupt and failed system while our nation goes down the crapper, along with our Constitution. Good analysis of obstacles to overcome. I will have to investigate how close we are to one in all 50.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'll be happy for another go around if we can get enough people off their dumpers and united, if only on the point that a 3rd party would be a God send.
The people will have to take this chore upon themselves ... maybe during a CONgressional break ! I'd like to see the entire nation quit paying FEDERAL taxes, corporations and stop doing business with anything resembling a credit/banking corporation.
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." Jesus Christ speaking to the Rabbis of his day.
I've never seen the Green party pose any real threat to the Dems, at least not here. We'll just have to disagree.
------- I do not disagree with any of that. Instead of challenging the Repubs with a third party and ensuring leftest domination, take over the Repubs from within. If you go the 3rd party route, you might as well vote for the Democrat, because that's what we will get regardless. ------- as long as it comes with fries, i always vote yes.
__________________________________ This is by far and away the most practical way to get from *here* to *there*
Well, Dillo, GW Bush made it painfully clear to me that the Pubbie party CANNOT be saved. Just look at it will ya: Linsay Graham, McConnell, McCain, Ensign. Corporate Toadies every one. It's too corrupt.....just like the Dems. You still aren't getting it. These two parties are two sides of the SAME COIN. This notion that one is better than the other is silly and only by an insignificant degree. We need a party FOR the people, neither R nor D will do FOR the people. We will never make the Pubbies what we want. They are corporate whores, not whores for the people. Ditto for Dems. I don't care if you blame me, but I will not continue on with the farce that there is a rats hair worth of
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Me too. I gotta tell ya Noone, thinking about this crap makes me sick to my stomach. What we have here is a systematic gutting of this nation, equal part Dem and equal part Rep, with less than a handful of asswipes in DC actually representing the people. Sigh. People sure are true believers when it comes to the two party fraud. When will they learn?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
They were enough of a threat that the Dems infiltrated and destroyed the party. Same thing the Republicans are doing now with AIP. If you had told me 3 or 4 years ago that this was the case I would not have believed it. However having now lived it, I know it to be true. The same people who are working to destroy AIP already did it to the Reform Party.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. I agree. Having seen the games that are played with the party power structure it is impossible. You get a ruling elite in the party structure that is CFR and/or a lackey there of and they will bend the rules, break the rules etc in order to keep their power structure and thus their agenda. You all saw what happened to the Ron Paul people in Nevada. That is a prime example of everywhere. It is disgusting, dishonest and a royal pain in the ass to deal with.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. BINGO! McStain was just icing on the cake. Do we need to go back further, to Herbie Bush and Bud Drole?
Dick Armey controls the TEA Party. He is the same GOP punk that aided in the failed "Contract for America" with his sidekick, Newt Gingrich.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Well that is the thing. The Republicans see the Tea Party as a threat to the NWO agenda. They have and will infiltrate and try to destroy or drive the agenda by leading it. This is Palin's job and well as Army.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. I did a 3rd party twice, one Perot in '92 & one Buchanan in '00. See my above
comments to Abraxas regarding the endless obstacles both parties have
installed to ensure a near zero success rate. IMO, a 3rd party can't be done
unless a billionaire appeared from nowhere and thought like us and was willing
to spend many hundreds of millions of his own dollars on the effort. I'm sorry
to be a downer, but that's been my experience.
I want a third political party to offset or counterbalance the weights of those two HUGE do-nothing BEHEMOTHS plastered on the front pages.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
lol....those traitors should have been a clue. But noooooooooooooooo. Hence, more idiots year in and year out. They only say what people want to hear at election time, like McStain complainng about the dream act when just a short time ago he was El Amigo por Amnesty. Yet, they voted for him to run AGAIN. I vote for him to just run away, south of the border please. It's insanity that we the people continue to sail in this sea of corruption, awaiting the sinking that is sure to come while the crew continues to blame one side or the other of the two party fraud. As for me, I'm jumping ship, enough is enough.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Ballot access laws in the United States vary widely from state to state. A brief outline of such laws follows (incomplete). Alabama: Major party candidates are nominated by the state primary process. Independent candidates are granted ballot access through a petition process and minor political party candidates are nominated by convention along with a petition process; one must collect 3% of the total votes cast in the last election for the specific race or 3% of the total votes cast in the last gubernatorial election for state-wide ballot access. The figure for 2006 state wide ballot access was 41,012 good signatures. Be aware that the validity of signatures generally means that 20-30% more signatures will need to be collected to ensure that the goal is achieved. To retain ballot access a third party has to poll 20% in a state wide race and it will retain state wide ballot access through to the next election. Activists of the Arizona Green Party collecting signatures for ballot status.Arizona: To gain ballot access, a new political party must gather signatures on a county by county basis, achieving over 20,000 good signatures from registered voters. Once this has been achieved the party must run a candidate for Governor or President who garners at least 5% of the vote to maintain ballot access for an additional two years, maintain at least 1% of registered voters registered with their party, or gather approximately the same number of signatures again every two years. The Democratic, Libertarian, and Republican parties have ballot access by voter registrations. In 2008, the Arizona Green Party gathered enough signatures to gain ballot access.[7] California: Per section 5100 of the California Election Code, ballot access requires one of the two conditions below to be met.[8] If at the last preceding gubernatorial election there was polled for any one of the party's candidates for any office voted on throughout the state, at least 2 percent of the entire vote of the state. If on or before the 135th day before any primary election, it appears to the Secretary of State, as a result of examining and totaling the statement of voters and their political affiliations transmitted to him or her by the county elections officials, that voters equal in number to at least 1 percent of the entire vote of the state at the last preceding gubernatorial election have declared their intention to affiliate with that party. Colorado: Colorado has relatively lax ballot access requirements. For U.S. Senate, 1,000 signatures are required; for U.S. House, 800 signatures; for State Senate, 600 signatures; and for State House, 400. Sometimes these requirements are relaxed even further based on the voting statistics of the district.[9] Maryland: Party certifications are done for each gubernatorial cycle (e.g. 2006– 2010). If the number of registered voters to a political party is less than 1%, then 10,000 petition signatures must be gathered for that party to be considered certified. A party must be certified before voters can register under that party. A party can also be certified for a two year term if their candidate receives more than 1% of the vote. Minnesota: Major party candidates are nominated by the state primary process. Independent and minor political party candidates are nominated by a petition process; two-thousand signatures for a statewide election, or five hundred for a state legislative election. Candidates have two week period to collect nominating petition signatures. Independent candidates may select a brief political party designation in lieu of independent. Missouri: Missouri exempts parties from needing to gather signatures if they attain 2% of the vote in a statewide election.[10] North Carolina: North Carolina's law pertaining to ballot access is codified in N.C.G.S Chapter 163 Elections and Election Law:[11] New Political Parties: According to N.C.G.S. §163-96(a)(2)[12][13] for a New Political Party to gain access to the election ballot they must obtain signatures on a petition equal to at least 2% of the total number of votes cast for Governor in the most recent election by no later than 12:00 noon on the first day of June before the election in which the Party wishes to participate. In addition, at least 200 signatures must come from at least four separate US Congressional Districts each within the state. To qualify for the 2010 or 2012 election ballot a new political party must gather at least 85,379 signatures within approximately a 3.5 year time span, averaging at least 67 signatures every day for three and half years straight counting weekdays and holidays.[13] Political Party Retention Requirement: According to N.C.G.S. §163-96(a)(1)[14] in order for a political party to remain certified for the election ballot after obtaining access to the ballot, or to remain recognized by the State of North Carolina, that party must successfully garner at least 2% of the total vote cast for Governor for its candidate. If a party's candidate for Governor fails to receive at least 2% of the vote, that party loses ballot access (N.C.G.S. §163-97[15]) and must begin the petitioning process over again, and the voter affiliation of all registered voters affiliated with that party is changed to unaffiliated (N.C.G.S. §163-97.1[16]). Statewide Unaffiliated Requirements: According to N.C.G.S. §163-122(a)(1)[17] in order for an unaffiliated candidate to qualify for the election ballot for a statewide office, the candidate must obtain signatures on a petition equal to at least 2% of the total number of votes caste for Governor in the most recent election by 12:00 noon on the last Friday in June before the election in which the candidate wishes to participate. In addition, at least 200 signatures must come from at least four separate US Congressional Districts each within the state. To qualify for the 2010 or 2012 election ballot unaffiliated statewide candidates must obtain at least 85,379 signatures. District Unaffiliated Requirements: According to N.C.G.S. §163-122(a)(2-3)[17] in order for an unaffiliated candidate to qualify for the election ballot for a district office, the candidate must obtain signatures on a petition equal to at least 4% of the total number of registered voters within the district that the candidate is running for election in as of January 1 of the election year in which the candidate desires to appear on the election ballot. Signatures must be turned in by 12:00 noon on the last Friday in June before the election in which the candidate wishes to participate. District candidates effectively cannot start petitioning for ballot access until after January 1 of the election year they are running for election, giving them just under half a year to obtain signatures for ballot access. To qualify for the 2010 election ballot unaffiliated US Congressional candidates are required to obtain as many as 22,544 signatures and an average of 18,719 signatures required for access to the 2010 election ballot.[18] Alabama: Major party candidates are nominated by the state primary process. Independent candidates are granted ballot access through a petition process and minor political party candidates are nominated by convention along with a petition process; one must collect 3% of the total votes cast in the last election for the specific race or 3% of the total votes cast in the last gubernatorial election for state-wide ballot access. The figure for 2006 state wide ballot access was 41,012 good signatures. Be aware that the validity of signatures generally means that 20-30% more signatures will need to be collected to ensure that the goal is achieved. To retain ballot access a third party has to poll 20% in a state wide race and it will retain state wide ballot access through to the next election. North Dakota: Seven thousand petition signatures to create a new political party and nominate a slate of candidates for office. Independent candidates need a thousand for a statewide office or 300 for a state legislative office. The independent nominating petition process does not allow for candidates to appear on the ballot with a political party designation, in lieu of independent, except for presidential elections.[19] Ohio: Late in 2006, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals invalidated Ohio's law for ballot access for new political parties in a suit brought by the Libertarian Party of Ohio.[20] After the November elections, the outgoing Secretary of State and Attorney General requested an extension to file an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court so that the decision whether or not to appeal could be made by the newly elected Secretary of State and Attorney General. The new Secretary of State did not appeal, but instead asserted her authority as Chief Election Officer of Ohio to issue new ballot access rules. In July, 2008, a U.S. District Court invalidated the Secretary of State's rules and placed the Libertarian Party on the ballot.[21] Three other parties subsequently sued and were placed on the ballot by the Court or by the Secretary of State. Oklahoma: A party is defined either as a group that polled 10% for the office at the top of the ticket in the last election (i.e., president or governor), or that submits a petition signed by voters equal to 5% of the last vote cast for the office at the top of the ticket. An independent presidential candidate, or the presidential candidate of an unqualified party, may get on the ballot with a petition of 3% of the last presidential vote. Oklahoma is the only state in the nation in which an independent presidential candidate, or the presidential candidate of a new or previously unqualified party, needs support from more than 2% of the last vote cast to get on the ballot. An initiative is being circulated during the period Sep. 14, 2007-Dec. 13, 2007 to lower the ballot access rules for political parties. Pennsylvania: A new party or independent candidate may gain ballot access for one election as a "political body" by collecting petition signatures equal to 2 percent of the vote for the highest vote-getter in the most recent election in the jurisdiction. A political body that wins two percent of the vote obtained by the highest vote-getter statewide in the same election is recognized statewide as a "political party" for two years. A political party with a voter enrollment equal to less than 15 percent of the state's total partisan enrollment is classified as a "minor political party," which has automatic ballot access in special elections but must otherwise collect the same number of signatures as political bodies. Political parties not relegated to "minor" status qualify to participate in primary elections. Candidates may gain access to primary election ballots by collecting a set number of petition signatures for each office, generally significantly fewer than required for political bodies and minor political parties. South Dakota: For a registered political party in a statewide election they must collect petition signatures equal to one percent of the vote for that political party in the preceding election for state governor. An independent candidate must collect petition signatures equal to one percent of the total votes for state governor, and a new political party must collect two-hundred and fifty petition signatures. In state legislative elections a registered political party needs to collect fifty signatures and an independent candidate must collect one percent of the total votes cast for state governor in the preceding election in their respective district.[22] Tennessee: A candidate seeking a House or Senate seat at the state or national level must gather 25 signatures from registered voters to be put on the ballot for any elected office.[23][24][25][26] Presidential candidates seeking to represent an officially recognized party must either be named as candidates by the Tennessee Secretary of State or gather 2,500 signatures from registered voters, and an independent candidate for President must gather 275 signatures and put forward a full slate of eleven candidates who have agreed to serve as electors.[27] To be recognized as a party and have its candidates listed on the ballot under that party's name, a political party must gather signatures equal to or in excess of 2.5% of the total number of votes cast in the last gubernatorial election (about 45,000 signatures based on the election held in 2006).[28] The last third party to be officially recognized was the American Party in 1968; none of its candidates received five percent of the statewide vote in 1970 and it was then subject to desertification as an official party. [citation needed] Texas: For a registered political party in a statewide election to gain ballot access, they must either 1) obtain five percent of the vote in any statewide election or 2) collect petition signatures equal to one percent of the total votes cast in the preceding election for governor, and must do so by January 2 of the year in which such statewide election is held. An independent candidate for any statewide office must collect petition signatures equal to one percent of the total votes cast for governor, and must do so beginning the day after primary elections are held and complete collection within 60 days thereafter (if runoff elections are held, the window is shortened to beginning the day after runoff elections are held and completed within 30 days thereafter). The petition signature cannot be from anyone who voted in either primary (including runoff), and voters cannot sign multiple petitions (they must sign a petition for one party or candidate only).[29] Virginia: A candidate for any statewide or local office must be qualified to vote for as well as hold the office they are running for, must have been "a resident of the county, city or town which he offers at the time of filing", a resident of the district, if it is an election for a specific district, and a resident of Virginia for one year before the election. For any office the candidate must obtain signatures of at least 125 registered voters for the area where they are running for office (except in communities of fewer than 3,500 people, where the number is lower), and if they are running as a candidate from a political party where partisan elections are permitted, must pay a fee of 2% of their yearly salary (no fee is required for persons not running as a candidate for a primary of a political party). Petitions, along with additional paperwork, must be filed between about four and five months before the election, subject to additional requirements for candidates for a primary election.[30] 1,000 signatures are required for a U.S. House race and 10,000 for a statewide race (i.e. U.S. President, U.S. Senate, Governor, Lieutenant Governor, or Attorney General), including 400 from each Congressional district. [31] Nominees of a political party that "at either of the two preceding statewide general elections, received at least 10 percent of the total vote cast for any statewide office filled in that election" are exempt from needing to gather signatures.[32]
This made it crystal clear that the party COULD NOT be saved. Corrupt to the core, loaded up with Toadies who don't care about the Constitution or the people, just where their bread is buttered.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
No, I "get it" just fine, thanks. I'm just not willing to commit national suicide by giving the Dems unfettered control of everything while the 3rd party ensures your voice is never heard. When the revolution comes (courtesy of the Dems) the 3rd party you long for will be up against the execution wall, along with the lawyers, press, and any others. To claim there is no difference between Repubs and Dems is a popular thing to say, and many times is true, but certainly not always. I'm not interested in rhetoric, but in truth. Not all Repubs are RINOs. In fact RINOs are in the process of being purged from the party. The Tea Party is a good start, but they have a ways to go. I dont care about rhetoric or populism. I care about results. ------- This is what is done every time the people elect the same crop of corrupt Reps and Dems. Soon, there will be nothing left to save. Third party is the only way to give an honest candidate a chance. Like I said the difference between the two parties is by degree, not in the least bit meaningful. Both parties serve the same interests, Dillo, and they are NOT your interests. Keep pretending that they are if it makes you feel better, but the state of this nation IS the truth of the matter. The revolution will be courtesy of the two party fraud. The only difference will be who is the majority at the time it happens. What good will electing
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I agree 100% Anyone who votes anything BUT Republican in the upcoming cycle is voting for more Omama Remember: Both Ron and Rand are Republicans and hey know it's easier to retake the party than start anew.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
There's nothing left to save now. Are you calling Rand Paul dishonest? Only at the CFR top Repeat: Only the CFR top
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
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Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#2. To: farmfriend (#1)
Getting people to stop voting lesser of two evils is the key.
#3. To: abraxas (#0)
#4. To: Turtle (#3)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#5. To: farmfriend (#1)
Getting people to stop voting lesser of two evils is the key.
#6. To: abraxas (#0)
#7. To: buckeroo (#5)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#8. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#0)
If a third party is right-of-center it will be compete with the Republican party for a finite vote pool.
That means any leftest candidate can win by plurality.
I know, I know. We've got that already with Rino Republicans. It would be worse.
By the time they get their act together, it's too late.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#9. To: Armadillo (#8)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#10. To: farmfriend (#9)
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Third party wins by making one of the two major parties irrelevant. They become a third party.
Meanwhile the party without an alternative (the dems most likely) win by plurality.
Not a good deal, imho.
That will never happen since parties control everything.
Right thinking Americans can do the same thing. Take over the Republican party and turn it into a Libertarian or "Classical-Liberal" party.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#11. To: abraxas (#0)
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#12. To: Armadillo (#10)
Meanwhile the party without an alternative (the dems most likely) win by plurality.
Not a good deal, imho.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#13. To: Tatarewicz (#6)
Since Organized Jewry arranges the campaign funding for a sufficient number of candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties to be able to control Congress then the Donkeys and Elephants are effectively one party giving priority to the paymaster's commands. So under the present circumstances only a second party is needed -- the American Party -- to enable Americans to decide whether their taxes should be used for domestic purposes rather than Organized Jewry's programs of supporting Israel and on costly wars fighting the enemies of that illegal state,
#14. To: abraxas (#0)
#15. To: Armadillo (#8)
#16. To: noone222 (#14)
#17. To: hondo68 (#11)
#18. To: abraxas, 3rd Party Folk (#15)
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
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#20. To: abraxas (#19)
#21. To: abraxas (#16)
one thing I can deem a sure bet--there will be no getting rid of the Fed with the two party fraud in power, both are in line with the ponzi scheme and wouldn't dream of lifting a finger to save this nation.
#22. To: farmfriend (#12)
Don't forget the Green party. They are the fourth largest party. They create the plurality on the left.
If you want a third party to usurp the Repubs, the Dems will win by plurality. You get Obama ad infinitum.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#23. To: abraxas (#15)
This right of center, left of center, dog and pony show ignores that both parties, no matter the degree from center, DON'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. Both parties are CORPORATE WHORES.
Yes, multiple parties would be great. But, first people need to accept the painful truth that neither the Dems nor the Pubbies represent the interests of the people or the Constitution. Until this happens, you will see more of the same, not less.
My issue is that a third party attempting to usurp the Repubs will spit the vote giving the Dems a win by plurality.
The Repubs are not perfect, but they are still better than a Dem.
They are the lesser or two evils.
Make the party what we want.
Who then shall I blame?
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#24. To: abraxas (#0)
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#25. To: Armadillo (#23)
#26. To: Armadillo (#23)
Instead of challenging the Repubs with a third party and ensuring leftest domination, take over the Repubs from within. Make the party what we want.
#27. To: noone222 (#21)
I'd like to see the entire nation quit paying FEDERAL taxes, corporations and stop doing business with anything resembling a credit/banking corporation.
#28. To: Armadillo (#22)
I've never seen the Green party pose any real threat to the Dems, at least not here.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#29. To: abraxas, Armadillo, Original_Intent, Artisan, noone222, Jethro Tull, christine, *Constitution Party* (#26)
We will never make the Pubbies what we want.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#30. To: abraxas (#26)
the Pubbie party CANNOT be saved
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#31. To: farmfriend (#29)
You all saw what happened to the Ron Paul people in Nevada.
#32. To: buckeroo, *Constitution Party*, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#31)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#33. To: farmfriend, all (#29)
#34. To: farmfriend (#32)
#35. To: hondo68 (#30)
Do we need to go back further, to Herbie Bush and Bud Drole?
#36. To: All (#33)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access
#37. To: farmfriend (#29)
You all saw what happened to the Ron Paul people in Nevada.
#38. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#26)
The people you rant against win by plurality while the other parties fight among themselves.
Take over the Repubs and make the party what you want, and America has a chance.
Go 3rd party, and you give the people you rant against MORE power and MORE time to enact their damage.
3rd party HELPS the people you are AGAINST, by giving them power by plurality.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#39. To: Armadillo, Farmfriend (#38)
you give the people you rant against MORE power and MORE time to enact their damage.
#40. To: Armadillo (#38)
I dont care about rhetoric or populism. I care about results. Take over the Repubs and make the party what you want, and America has a chance. Go 3rd party, and you give the people you rant against MORE power and MORE time to enact their damage. 3rd party HELPS the people you are AGAINST, by giving them power by plurality.
#41. To: abraxas (#39)
Soon, there will be nothing left to save.
Third party is the only way to give an honest candidate a chance.
difference between the two parties is by degree, not in the least bit meaningful.
Both parties serve the same interests, Dillo, and they are NOT your interests. Keep pretending that they are if it makes you feel better, but the state of this nation IS the truth of the matter.
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