[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

A Missile Shield for America - A Trillion Dollar Fantasy?

Kentucky School Board Chairman Resigns After Calling for People to ‘Shoot Republicans’

These Are 2025's 'Most Livable' Cities

Nicotine and Fish

Genocide Summer Camp, And Other Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix

This Can Create Endless Green Energy WITHOUT Electricity

Geoengineering: Who’s Behind It and How We Stop It

Pam Bondi Ordered Prosecution of Dr. Kirk Moore After Refusing to Dismiss Case

California woman bombarded with Amazon packages for over a year

CVS ordered to pay $949 MILLION in Medicaid fraud case.

Starmer has signed up to the UNs agreement to raise taxes in the UK

Magic mushrooms may hold the secret to longevity: Psilocybin extends lifespan by 57% in groundbreaking study

Cops favorite AI tool automatically deletes evidence of when AI was used

Leftist Anti ICE Extremist OPENS FIRE On Cops, $50,000 REWARD For Shooter

With great power comes no accountability.

Auto loan debt hits $1.63T. 20% of buyers now pay $1,000+ monthly. Texas delinquency hits 7.92%.

Quotable Quotes from the Chosenites

Tokara Islands NOW crashing into the Ocean ! Mysterious Swarm continues with OVER 1700 Quakes !

Why Austria Is Suddenly Declaring War on Immigration

Rep. Greene Wants To Remove $500 Million in Military Aid for Nuclear-Armed Israel From NDAA

Netanyahu Lays Groundwork for Additional Strikes on Iran: 'We Didn't Deal With The Enriched Uranium'

Sweden Cracks Down On OnlyFans - Will U.S. Follow Suit?

Joe Rogan CALLS OUT Israel's Media CONTROL

Communist Billionaire Accused Of Funding Anti-ICE Riots Mysteriously Vanishes

6 Factors That Describe China's Current State

Trump Thteatens to Bomb Moscow and Beijing

Little Bitty

Vertiv Drops After Amazon Unveils In-House Liquid Cooling System, Marking Pivot To Liquid

17 Out-Of-Place Artifacts That Suggest High-Tech Civilizations Existed Thousands (Or Millions) Of Years Ago

Hamas Still Killing IDF Soldiers After 642 Days


(s)Elections
See other (s)Elections Articles

Title: Americans Renew Call for Third Party
Source: gallop
URL Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/143051/A ... ns-Renew-Call-Third-Party.aspx
Published: Sep 19, 2010
Author: Jeffrey M. Jones
Post Date: 2010-09-19 14:03:13 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 970
Comments: 79

Americans Renew Call for Third Party

Fifty-eight percent of Americans, and 62% of Tea Party supporters, favor third partyb y Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' desires for a third political party are as high as they have been in seven years. Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe a third major political party is needed because the Republican and Democratic Parties do a poor job of representing the American people. That is a significant increase from 2008 and ties the high Gallup has recorded for this measure since 2003.

The finding, based on an Aug. 27-30 USA Today/Gallup poll, comes at a time when Americans are widely dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States and give relatively weak approval ratings to the president and Congress.

Though the rise in support for a third party could be linked to the Tea Party movement, Tea Party supporters are just about average in terms of wanting to see a third party created. Sixty-two percent of those who describe themselves as Tea Party supporters would like a third major party formed, but so do 59% of those who are neutral toward the Tea Party movement. Tea Party opponents are somewhat less likely to see the need for a third party.

The desire for a third party is fairly similar across ideological groups, with 61% of liberals, 60% of moderates, and 54% of conservatives believing a third major party is needed. That is a narrower gap than Gallup has found in the past; conservatives have typically been far less likely than liberals and moderates to support the creation of a third party.

Independents, as might be expected given their lack of primary allegiance to either of the two major parties, express a greater degree of support (74%) for a third party than do Republicans (47%) and Democrats (45%). Over time, independents have consistently been the political group most eager to see a third party formed. But each party group is more likely now than in 2008 to support the formation of a third major party. At that time, about two months before the presidential election, 38% of Democrats, 40% of Republicans, and 63% of independents thought a third party was necessary.

Bottom Line

Election results in recent years and polls from this year indicate Americans are frustrated with the job the two major parties have been doing. In 2006, voters elected a Democratic majority in Congress to replace the Republican majority, and in 2008 they elected a Democratic president to replace an outgoing Republican president. Polling on voters' 2010 voting intentions suggests that they may be poised to replace the Democratic majority in Congress with a Republican majority. But that seems to be as much because voters are rejecting Democrats as embracing Republicans.

Given the lack of alternatives, it perhaps is no surprise that Americans' desires for a third party are as high as they've been in at least the last seven years. And while the formation of an official third party is not imminent, that desire may be manifested in voters' strong anti-incumbent sentiments this year.

Survey Methods Results for this USA Today/Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Aug. 27-30, 2010, with a random sample of 1,021 adults, aged 18 and older, living in the continental U.S., selected using random-digit-dial sampling.

For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones (for respondents with a landline telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell phone-only). Each sample includes a minimum quota of 150 cell phone-only respondents and 850 landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents for gender within region. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.

Samples are weighted by gender, age, race, education, region, and phone lines. Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2009 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older non-institutionalized population living in continental U.S. telephone households. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting and sample design.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

View methodology, full question results, and trend data.

For more details on Gallup's polling methodology, visit http://www.gallup.com/.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 61.

#8. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#0)

A "third" party is a bad idea. Here's why.
If a third party is right-of-center it will be compete with the Republican party for a finite vote pool.
That means any leftest candidate can win by plurality.

You get election after election of leftest wins while the right-of-center voters sort out their two parties.
I know, I know. We've got that already with Rino Republicans. It would be worse.
By the time they get their act together, it's too late.

Multiple viable parties on all sides of the political spectrum might be better, but still one would win by plurality.

The best solution is to take over the Republican party and turn it into what a third party would have been.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-09-20   0:41:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Armadillo (#8)

You are missing the point in the problem with the two party fraud, Dillo.

This right of center, left of center, dog and pony show ignores that both parties, no matter the degree from center, DON'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. Both parties are CORPORATE WHORES.

Yes, multiple parties would be great. But, first people need to accept the painful truth that neither the Dems nor the Pubbies represent the interests of the people or the Constitution. Until this happens, you will see more of the same, not less.

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-20   12:21:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas (#15)

This right of center, left of center, dog and pony show ignores that both parties, no matter the degree from center, DON'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. Both parties are CORPORATE WHORES.
Yes, multiple parties would be great. But, first people need to accept the painful truth that neither the Dems nor the Pubbies represent the interests of the people or the Constitution. Until this happens, you will see more of the same, not less.

I do not disagree with any of that.
My issue is that a third party attempting to usurp the Repubs will spit the vote giving the Dems a win by plurality.
The Repubs are not perfect, but they are still better than a Dem.
They are the lesser or two evils.

Instead of challenging the Repubs with a third party and ensuring leftest domination, take over the Repubs from within.
Make the party what we want.

If you go the 3rd party route, you might as well vote for the Democrat, because that's what we will get regardless.
Who then shall I blame?

Armadillo  posted on  2010-09-20   20:11:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Armadillo (#23)

Instead of challenging the Repubs with a third party and ensuring leftest domination, take over the Repubs from within. Make the party what we want.

Well, Dillo, GW Bush made it painfully clear to me that the Pubbie party CANNOT be saved. Just look at it will ya: Linsay Graham, McConnell, McCain, Ensign. Corporate Toadies every one. It's too corrupt.....just like the Dems.

You still aren't getting it. These two parties are two sides of the SAME COIN. This notion that one is better than the other is silly and only by an insignificant degree. We need a party FOR the people, neither R nor D will do FOR the people.

We will never make the Pubbies what we want. They are corporate whores, not whores for the people. Ditto for Dems. I don't care if you blame me, but I will not continue on with the farce that there is a rats hair worth of

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-20   20:30:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#26)

No, I "get it" just fine, thanks.

I'm just not willing to commit national suicide by giving the Dems unfettered control of everything while the 3rd party ensures your voice is never heard.
The people you rant against win by plurality while the other parties fight among themselves.

When the revolution comes (courtesy of the Dems) the 3rd party you long for will be up against the execution wall, along with the lawyers, press, and any others.

To claim there is no difference between Repubs and Dems is a popular thing to say, and many times is true, but certainly not always. I'm not interested in rhetoric, but in truth. Not all Repubs are RINOs. In fact RINOs are in the process of being purged from the party. The Tea Party is a good start, but they have a ways to go.

I dont care about rhetoric or populism. I care about results.
Take over the Repubs and make the party what you want, and America has a chance.
Go 3rd party, and you give the people you rant against MORE power and MORE time to enact their damage.
3rd party HELPS the people you are AGAINST, by giving them power by plurality.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-09-20   22:37:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Armadillo, Farmfriend (#38)

you give the people you rant against MORE power and MORE time to enact their damage.

This is what is done every time the people elect the same crop of corrupt Reps and Dems.

Soon, there will be nothing left to save. Third party is the only way to give an honest candidate a chance. Like I said the difference between the two parties is by degree, not in the least bit meaningful. Both parties serve the same interests, Dillo, and they are NOT your interests. Keep pretending that they are if it makes you feel better, but the state of this nation IS the truth of the matter.

The revolution will be courtesy of the two party fraud. The only difference will be who is the majority at the time it happens. What good will electing

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-20   22:48:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#39)

This is what is done every time the people elect the same crop of corrupt Reps and Dems.
What makes you think 3rd partiers will be pure?
Third party is the only way to give an honest candidate a chance.
A chance at what? Being defeated by a Democrat who gets 35% of the vote, while the Republican gets 33%.
Keep pretending that they are if it makes you feel better, but the state of this nation IS the truth of the matter.
I dont care about pretend, or feelings, or rhetoric. I care about RESULTS.
The revolution will be courtesy of the two party fraud.
True.
The only difference will be who is the majority at the time it happens.
The "who" will be a radical leftest government at all levels. Thanks to the 3rd party that cares about pretending, feelings, and rhetoric instead of results.

Here are some future election results if a 3rd party happens.
Dems- 40%.
Reps- 35%
3rd- 25%
YOU LOOSE.


Dems- 45%.
Reps- 30%
3rd- 25%
YOU LOOSE.
Dems- 35%.
Reps- 33%
3rd- 32%
YOU LOOSE.
Dems- 35%.
Reps- 32%
3rd- 33%
YOU LOOSE.
After four election cycles (16 years) of all Democrat run government at all levels, America is dead.
Thanks, 3rd party. Not.

Take over the Republicans, make it what you want.
The marxests did it to the Democrat party, so it can be done.
DO IT. It's being done now partially by the Tea Party. Reagan Conservatism isnt too far removed from "Classic Liberal".
Ron and Rand Paul are Republicans.
They know what I say is true.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-09-20   23:56:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Armadillo (#43)

Seriously, I've already gone to work on the Rep party in my state. It's TOO CORRUPT to fix. We implemented a rockin' platform, worked our butts off and jumped through all the hoops. When it came down to the vote and it was obvious that Nevada was going to Ron Paul, not McStain, the party "leaders" waltzed in and took the ballot box away AFTER the votes had been cast.

Dillo, you believe in it, so you should take it over. I no longer believe in it and I will find a more productive place for my energy. : )

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-21   0:02:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#44) (Edited)

When it came down to the vote and it was obvious that Nevada was going to Ron Paul, not McStain, the party "leaders" waltzed in and took the ballot box away AFTER the votes had been cast.

I understand about what McCain did last election. He and the party did a lot of crap like that.
That dosnt mean the whole party is like that. There are some good people in the Repubs, like the Pauls, who want to take it back.

Dillo, you believe in it, so you should take it over. I no longer believe in it and I will find a more productive place for my energy. : )
I'd like to take it over. Heck I'd like to be President.
I know the Tea Party isnt perfect, but they are headed in the right direction. RINOS are feeling heat, and the "party elite" is slowly realizing that the sleeper has awakened.
Retake the party. It's quicker, easier, and dosnt give the Dems a default win like a 3rd party would.

It's time for me to clock-out, go home, and sleep.
I'll convince you tomorrow. ;)
Good night.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-09-21   1:11:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Armadillo, abraxas (#58)

Retake the party. It's quicker, easier, and dosnt give the Dems a default win like a 3rd party would.

but it's not. That's what I'm trying to tell you. We have been trying to retake our own political party for a while now. It was infiltrated and taken over by a CIA plant. He is impossible to get rid of. He already killed the reform party by doing the same thing he is doing to our party. Understand he is connected to the same people in control of the Republican party. They do not play by the rules. And when you catch them with the rules they change them. How do you get those in control of the party out?

farmfriend  posted on  2010-09-21   1:51:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: farmfriend, abraxas (#60)

We have been trying to retake our own political party for a while now. It was infiltrated and taken over by a CIA plant. He is impossible to get rid of. He already killed the reform party by doing the same thing he is doing to our party. Understand he is connected to the same people in control of the Republican party. They do not play by the rules. And when you catch them with the rules they change them. How do you get those in control of the party out?

Is the CIA plants infiltration ability limited to only two parties?
What makes you think a "3rd party" couldnt be infiltrated?

People talk about a 3rd party as if it's some magical incorruptible panacea.
It's not. It would be yet another political party with everything that goes with that. Politics in America has been like that for 200 years, and it's not going to change because Farmfriend, Abraxas, or Armadillo have good intentions.

Y'all are also avoiding the point I've been making. If a 3rd party splits the vote, you give Democrats a perpetual win by plurality. You believe Dems and Reps are the same, so the 3rd party would accomplish nothing except enabling what you seek to end.
Roughly 30% of the electorate are dedicated leftists. Another 30% are dedicated rightists. The rest are swing voters. By splitting the right and swing vote you win nothing, and create what you seek to stop.
All talk of a 3rd party is irrelevant unless you can find a way to win. And you cant.

The Democrats have to be responsive to their voters because they are a collection of special interest activists who protest anything.
The Republicans did not have to be responsive because their voters were passive. A Repub voter might write a stern letter, but that's it.

With the Tea Party that has changed. They are not a "3rd party" per se, but are trying to RETAKE and REMAKE the Republican Party by putting forward non-Rino candidates.
The sleeper has awakened. Formerly passive right voters are becoming active. With Tea Party backing, candidates are challenging Rino Republicans for their nomination.
It's a good start.

Armadillo must sleep now. You ladies have kept me up late. :)

Armadillo  posted on  2010-09-21   4:39:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 61.

#63. To: Armadillo (#61)

Is the CIA plants infiltration ability limited to only two parties? What makes you think a "3rd party" couldnt be infiltrated?

It has been. That is my point. They infiltrate and destroy third parties from within to insure they are not a threat. It happened to the Green party, Reform party and now AIP.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-09-21 10:08:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 61.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]