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Title: Mesa soldier killed in Afghanistan
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East Valley Tribune
URL Source: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/lo ... 08-11df-a7e0-001cc4c03286.html
Published: Sep 20, 2010
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2010-09-21 12:24:01 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 179
Comments: 14
Mesa soldier killed in Afghanistan Army Pfc. Barbara Vieyra Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:45 pm | Updated: 4:41 pm, Mon Sep 20, 2010. The Associated Press WASHINGTON — The Department of Defense says a soldier from Mesa has been killed in Afghanistan. Army Pfc. Barbara Vieyra died Sept. 18 of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked her unit using an improvised explosive device and rocket propelled grenade fire in Kunar Province, Afghanistan. The 22-year-old Vieyra was in Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. She is a 2006 graduate of Skyline High School and also the mother of a young girl. She was assigned to the 720th Military Police Battalion, 89th Military Police Brigade, at Fort Hood, Texas.
Poster Comment: I know it is a ridiculous article given that we are now losing almost 2 people per day on average in Afghanistan alone. I would bet you that Barbara Vieyra did not understand that the war effort in Afghanistan was wrong. She was deceived. She believed in our national institutions. No doubt, she expected that the mass media would have voices in it telling us the war was wrong if the war was wrong. She felt that the government had decided we'd go to war in Afghanistan and that therefore, there must be a just reason for the war. She was deceived. She went to her death without comprehending the truth. Because the truth was concealed from her. My brother is in Qutar. They bring all the dead from Afghanistan back through Qutar en route to the US. They have a 'fallen warrior' ceremony when each body arrives on the plane. and another when it is loaded up to go to the US. Every day the announcements are constantly made while he is at work inviting people to attend the 'fallen warrior' ceremonies. another young american sacrificed to Molech.
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there was a time when 'we' as a people had better sensibilities. and we wouldn't send a woman into a place where she could be blown up by an IED. IEDs are very dangerous. The explosions are very powerful. An armored vehicle can be thrown way up in the air. Vehicles even near the target can receive shrapnel that can be deadly to their occupants. Many people have their arms, legs and/or genitals destroyed by these things.
There is something obscene about sending a mother into a combat zone. There is also something pathologically deranged about a country that send its women to war. This nation is in its decrepitude, imho.
in our society it is fashionable for people to walk up to military service members or former military service members and say 'thank-you for your service'. This creates an awkward situation for the service member because even in their minds they are generally not serving for the national interest or to protect our freedoms or way of life. Some people say they are protecting our way of life, but this is a ridiculous assertion and even most of the military people don't agree with it. The military people themselves understand that they are serving because of a career decision made to provide economic security and prosperity for their families. Many military people feel they make out very well with the extremely good benefits, pay and retirement pay they get. They feel embarrassed when some stranger walks up and says 'thank you for your service'.
This obsessive preoccupation with the military intruding into our customs in in such a way is a symptom of a creeping militarism that reminds me very much of the German national experience. It's alien to what I have been raised to regard as American. What I'd been raised to believe in as American was what was called a liberal world view that that you'd call libertarian today, but which the men who schooled me (and I don't mean my teachers who were schooled by Marxists) would have called Jeffersonian. But, I continually have to remind myself that militarism is not a new phenomenon in this country of ours. The United States began a long career of of elective adventures as soon as it could pick itself up by the bootstraps and readily made use of a willing pulpit enlisted to rouse the public for its crusades. And that's not a new story either. I was reminded of this reading Thomas Paine the other night. The leaders of the Federalists have no judgment; their plans no consistency of parts; and want of consistency is the natural consequence of want of principle. They exhibit to the world the curious spectacle of an Opposition without a cause, and conduct without system. Were they, as doctors, to prescribe medicine as they practise politics, they would poison their patients with destructive compounds. There are not two things more opposed to each other than War and Religion; and yet, in the double game those leaders have to play, the one is necessarily the theme of their politics, and the other the text of their sermons. The week-day orator of Mars, and the Sunday preacher of Federal Grace, play like gamblers into each other’s hands, and this they call Religion. Though hypocrisy can counterfeit every virtue, and become the associate of every vice, it requires a great dexterity of craft to give it the power of deceiving. A painted sun may glisten, but it cannot warm. For hypocrisy to personate virtue successfully it must know and feel what virtue is, and as it cannot long do this, it cannot long deceive. When an orator foaming for War breathes forth in another sentence a plaintive piety of words, he may as well write hypocrisy on his front. The late attempt of the Federal leaders in Congress (for they acted without the knowledge of their constituents) to plunge the country into War, merits not only reproach but indignation. It was madness, conceived in ignorance and acted in wickedness. The head and the heart went partners in the crime. - THOMAS PAINE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, Letter N0. 6, 1803.
that is a very interesting quote from Thomas Paine in 1803. It seems like he understood well an evil clique that in his days were attempting to rule our country. He called them out on how they use war to expand their power. I would think that as everybody knew Thomas Paine was a person capable of motivating and inspiring the Americans with his writings, perhaps this evil clique tried to recruit him to their cause and exposed their thinking to him. He instead turned against them like Smedley Butler did. The Articles of Federation were likely very flawed and could have used modification. But the group known as 'federalist' wanted the US Constitution ratified in 1789. From 1781 to 1789 we were ruled by the Articles of Federation. The central government in washington was extremely weak with that government. The clique that rules us wanted washington to be powerful. After the civil war they were empowered again.
And I believe that the same are with us today. Or should I say against us. It's an ancient contest that we're involved in.
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#6. To: Red Jones (#1)
there was a time when 'we' as a people had better sensibilities.
#7. To: randge (#6)
#10. To: Red Jones (#7)
in our society it is fashionable for people to walk up to military service members or former military service members and say 'thank-you for your service'.
Religion and War is the cry of the Federalists; Morality and Peace the voice of Republicans. The union of Morality and Peace is congenial; but that of Religion and War is a paradox, and the solution of it is hypocrisy.
#11. To: randge (#10)
#12. To: Red Jones (#11)
It seems like he understood well an evil clique that in his days were attempting to rule our country.
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