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Title: Lindsey Graham says U.S. Must Prepare to Attack Iran
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McClatchy
URL Source: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26415.htm
Published: Sep 22, 2010
Author: James Rosen
Post Date: 2010-09-22 01:10:53 by abraxas
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Lindsey Graham says U.S. Must Prepare to Attack Iran By James Rosen September 21, 2010 "McClatchy " WASHINGTON — Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Monday that the United States must be prepared to use military force to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon — and added that the last-resort step should be taken with the goal of overthrowing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Graham, a military lawyer and a senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, became the first senator to support direct U.S. military intervention in Iran, saying it should not involve ground troops but be launched by U.S. warplanes and ships. "If you use military force against Iran, you've opened up Pandora's box," Graham told the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. "If you allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon, you've emptied Pandora's box. I'd rather open up Pandora's box than empty it." Graham's unusual public support for overturning Ahmadinejad and the ruling council of Shiite Muslim clerics that he nominally heads recalled President George W. Bush's controversial policy of regime change to invade Iraq in 2003 and overthrow dictator Saddam Hussein. Graham was a prominent supporter of the Iraq war, though he criticized Bush and former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld for sending too few U.S. troops. Obama aides on the National Security Council declined to comment Monday on Graham's remarks about Iran. State Department aides said Obama will discuss Iran on Thursday during his address to the U.N. General Assembly. Graham said he believes Ahmadinejad "was lying" when he said Sunday in New York, after arriving for the U.N. General Assembly session this week, that Iran isn't building a nuclear bomb. "From my point of view, if we engage in military operations as a last resort, the United States should have in mind the goal of changing the regime," Graham said. "Not by invading (Iran), but by launching a military strike by air and sea." Such an attack would be aimed not only at eliminating Iran's nuclear capabilities, Graham said, but at rendering Ahmadinejad's government powerless. In order to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, he said, a U.S. attack would be preferable to an Israeli attack because the American military is more powerful and more likely to achieve regime change. Graham's aides later said his reference to regime change entailed both the overthrow of Ahmadinejad and the removal of the Islamic clerics that many analysts believe at least partially control him. The U.S. opposition to Teheran's construction of a nuclear power plant in the southern Iran city of Bushehr dates to the Clinton administration in the 1990s. Obama, like Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton before him, has failed to persuade Russia not to help Iran build the Bushehr plant and then provide fuel for it. Iran and Russia say the plant, which recently began operating, will produce nuclear-fueled electricity for peaceful use. The United States believes that Iran's ultimate intention is to convert the fuel to weapons-grade plutonium in order to create nuclear arms.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
The United States believes that Iran's ultimate intention is to convert the fuel to weapons-grade plutonium in order to create nuclear arms. I think this scribbler means uranium, but that doesn't matter, this article is written to frighten technically illiterate anyway. Graham, a military lawyer and a senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, became the first senator to support direct U.S. military intervention in Iran, saying it should not involve ground troops but be launched by U.S. warplanes and ships. That's the ticket. They will sell the rubes on a surgical victory from the air. We won't even have to get our hands dirty. Anyone who believes in regime change from 25,000 feet needs his head examined. This is just a lure to draw us yet deeper into the swamp. Our worst enemies are our leaders.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Just Amen.
Starting with this nut of course, and then the Kenyan. And don't stop there.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes he does. And I am sure he believed the Iraqis would greet the troops with flowers and songs of praise.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" This was my conclusion after his re-election. He had already proven himself to be an idiot, a traitor and a whore many, many times; yet, he's sent back to DC for more of the same.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
So true. We don't have a very good track record of regime change anyway.....how many lives does Castro have? NPR was manufacturing consent for warring on Iran yesterday, claiming they are producing nuke weapons, which the IAEA has NOT verified in a decade of trying. It's disgusting. The duped masses are getting prepped for another war on the same stupid unverified WMD shenanigans.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We're not going to attack Iran. It's all empty talk.
“Let’s not forget that the bankers are the next-door neighbours of the politicians. Most people can see the picture: the bankers grease the politicians’ palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest. It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.”
I'd settle for grateful women showing me their boobs.
“Let’s not forget that the bankers are the next-door neighbours of the politicians. Most people can see the picture: the bankers grease the politicians’ palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest. It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.”
And you base this analysis on what?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Either he is stupid (doubtful), or bribed (all too probable), or blackmailed (all too probable). I, myself, personally, do not deserve the traitorous trash over in D.C.
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lod
Graham is a big-mouth idiot, and our military leaders (what Jerry Pournelle calls the Legions) are pissed off and I expect them someday to take over when the government collapses. There has been years of talk about attacking Iran and it has never happened. The Stupid think Jews control the U.S. and the world. Every Jew neocon involved in attack on Iraq is gone. The military knows what is going on -- we are out of money and our military is broke. Those who think the U.S. military was involved in 9-11 are themselves the traitors.
“Let’s not forget that the bankers are the next-door neighbours of the politicians. Most people can see the picture: the bankers grease the politicians’ palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest. It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.”
Lindesy is the end result of putting a knob polisher in power. Is there any Southern pride left? Retire this clown.
Thanks for the report. I avoid listening to that nauseating outlet for kid glove disinformation like the very plague. I am reassured yet again that I haven't misunderestimated that tedious geriatric outfit. All the mainstream is on board. It's time to put on your asbestos union suit.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Sounds like a real good reason to keep combat vets in another war. Do you think the government wants them here when SHTF? Iran can't be allowed to decouple successfully from the dollar, for if it does then there is nothing to keep other nations in the ponzi scheme. War not only puts Iran in line, but sets an example--trade oil in dollars to prop up the fiat currency or be bombed into the stone ages. Prior to invading Iraq, Saddam had decoupled. So, the war was inevitable to keep the petro dollar ponzi scheme rolling. What makes you think Iran will be different? A successful departure from trading oil in dollars risks the entire ponzi scheme for crying out loud.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
There you go again, trying to work within the system. Tie his pink ass to a missile and lob it into Iran. Lets get it on. hehehehehe
There's a thought. We've got enough Nancy Bottle Rockets in DeeCee to light up a real respectable Fourth of July.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
lol.....I listen to all a little bit, from NPR to FOX to MSNBC. No matter the channel, I find them spewing BS all the time. For example, I listen to NPR stories in relation to Monsanto. Quite a shift is evident since Monsanto became a big corporate sponsor. Now, the stories are as if this company is wonderful when, prior to donations, they were reported as a company we should be watching, with some objectivity. I have an interest in media bias, so I plug my nose and endure a lot of bs. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Do you realize you border on the harsh edger of being a ...cynic...??? Gasp egads.
I do and my sentence was cut off. Dag gum it!! .......then this nation is really DUMB. Now, I have crossed the border, Cyni. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I tried to edit my post and it cut off the entire third paragraph......into cyberspace for ever. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Cyni, you know as well as I do "when we get it on" very few will stand up. They'll scatter at the first crack of gun fire - this despite all their online bravado. They simply haven't been in a fire fight before and many will soil their pants should it happen. When "we get it on" we'll each be alone, to make that decision and I just don't have faith in Americans to fight. So, until we each have to make that decision, I say dump the fag for someone who more closely places America first.
You realize of course that you are sitting at the systems poker table, your life is your only stake, and they hold all the cards???? Most of the people here are hedging their bets on the future, preparing for the worst of times, ALL OF THEM ARE ANTICIPATING THAT "THEY" WILL SURVIVE. When crunch time arrives, and it will, the huge majority will be squished like unwanted bugs. If you are in the majority of the 99 per cent of useless eaters, count on it, you are a bug. With that in mind, a thinking man would consider getting in a parting shot at the dealers before he cashes in.
5-10% might/will. As we wait, what harm does it do to relegate Lindsey to some carnival sideshow?
Certain military officials with the power to shut down and/or misdirect the US air defense system for hours on the morning of 9/11 gave the orders to do so. Since when is stating a fact treason?
"Aiding and abetting generally means to somehow assist in the commission of a crime, or to be an accomplice. It involves a plan to commit a crime or to commit acts, the probable consequences of which are criminal. An accomplice may assist or encourage the main offender with the same intent to have the crime committed, but does not necessarily have to be present when the crime is actually committed. However, without sharing the criminal intent, one who is merely present when a crime occurs and stands by silently is not an accomplice, regardless of the harm that could've been prevented if he/she had acted.
As did I for years. Dropped the cable so that my dear wife wouldn't have to endure my cussing. I kin still hear the war drums though, loud and clear. America, failing forward. I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
I'd counter that to allow the Kenyan not so much as a political speed bump in the road, is to surrender all options, save the sniper in the tree scenario you pose. The nation is better off without the eight establishment s'bags who were just beaten in the primaries. Now will the replacements be just another side of the coin? If yes, what did we lose in trying? If no, just maybe a political movement has begun. Frankly, for me, I don't see the downside in the effort. IIRC, you yourself said not to long ago that if Spector were still here in PA you'd vote against him. And get this. To those apocalyptic folks who want the demise of the Fed and all the assorted pieces that goes with it, I say the fastest way to anarchy is to elect a white over the dark. The subsequent result will give the WG'ers among us lots to try and defend as we sit back and watch the nation burn.
Well at least that would be something concrete from the government.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Sound catch. I monitor NPR, except for their Human Interest stories, which can be great. They appear to me to be zionist shills.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes, they can be. But lately 8 out of ten are homosexual, Jewish or illegal immigrant pull at heart strings stories. I've noted that there are less human interest stories for the majority of people, but plenty for minority folks. I listen to a station out of CA, so that may have an impact. I had to turn off the gay Jewish writer with cancer story yesterday.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If Lindsey Graham wants war, he should be on the front lines in the first wave of any attack.
------- I can see it now.
LOL! Lady Lindthey hath never lookth tho good!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Tie his pink ass to a missile and lob it into Iran. Lets get it on. hehehehehe Sounds like a plan. Lady Lindthey needth to be on the front lines.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Who gave the orders for the stand down on 9-11? There had to have been an order given, otherwise those planes would have been intercepted. It is inconceivable that the military of what is supposedly the greatest power the world has ever seen was taken over by some ragheads in a cave somewhere who hacked their computers and initiated the stand down. I say that Building 7 (Salomon Brothers Building) and the Pentagon prove that you're wrong.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Try clicking the backarrow button if that happens again until it takes you to the edit box. You might have to click twice fast if it takes you to a box with truncated text so that you can keep backing up and find what got lost. Copy it and go forward to leave, then do another post edit to paste it back in. If you don't try the recovery steps quickly enough, though, the page might expire. I hope that helps if it ever happens again.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thank you. It is REALLY frustrating when my posts are cut off. For awhile, this was not a problem, then it was a problem, then it wasn't, and now it is again a problem. Uuuuhhhgggg!! I appreciate your help. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I agree. But, he and his kin will be far from the warring he promotes and he knows it. He's a douche bag, IMHO. I couldn't believe he was re-elected on the last go around.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You're very welcome. That's happened to me so many times that I should be in the habit by now of just copying the post to memory before hitting send. That would be the more efficient way than all that going backwards for a recovery but I rarely do. Didn't even occur to me to suggest that in my post to you. Better late than never, though. I'm thinking maybe that was my brain's way of telling me to go make another pot of coffee so here I go... :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#7. To: RickyJ (#2)
#8. To: abraxas (#0)
#9. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#3)
What a traitor and stark raving idiot.
#10. To: RickyJ (#2)
It is time for a regime change in Washington D.C.
#11. To: FormerLurker (#3)
So he thinks Iran will just surrender to the almighty US once we launch some missiles and drop some bombs, eh?
#12. To: TooConservative (#4)
His voters must be real morons.
#13. To: randge (#8)
Our worst enemies are our leaders.
#14. To: abraxas (#0)
#15. To: tom007 (#11)
Yes he does. And I am sure he believed the Iraqis would greet the troops with flowers and songs of praise.
#16. To: Turtle (#14)
We're not going to attack Iran.
#17. To: FormerLurker (#3)
And all for what, just so that he and his fellow traitors can get their allotment of bribes from Israel?
#18. To: abraxas (#16)
And you base this analysis on what?
#19. To: hondo68 (#1)
#20. To: abraxas (#13)
NPR was manufacturing consent for warring on Iran yesterday,
#21. To: Turtle (#18)
we are out of money and our military is broke.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
Retire this clown.
#23. To: Cynicom (#22)
Tie his pink ass to a missile
#24. To: randge (#20)
(Edited)
I avoid listening to that nauseating outlet for kid glove disinformation like the very plague.
#25. To: abraxas (#24)
I kills me how NPR pretends to inform the "educated".....if the reporting they engage in passes the smell test of the "educated" then this nation is really
#26. To: Cynicom (#25)
Do you realize you border on the harsh edger of being a ...cynic...???
#27. To: Cynicom (#25)
#28. To: Cynicom (#22)
#29. To: Jethro Tull, randge, abraxas, christine, All (#28)
Cyni, you know as well as I do "when we get it on"
#30. To: Cynicom (#29)
With that in mind, a thinking man would consider getting in a parting shot at the dealers before he cashes in
#31. To: Turtle (#18)
Those who think the U.S. military was involved in 9-11 are themselves the traitors.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
#33. To: abraxas (#24)
lol.....I listen to all a little bit, from NPR to FOX to MSNBC. No matter the channel, I find them spewing BS all the time.
Stalingrad, Waterloo,
Coming soon
To a theater near you.
#34. To: Cynicom (#32)
#35. To: Turtle (#15)
I'd settle for grateful women showing me their boobs.
#36. To: abraxas (#24)
For example, I listen to NPR stories in relation to Monsanto. Quite a shift is evident since Monsanto became a big corporate sponsor. Now, the stories are as if this company is wonderful when, prior to donations, they were reported as a company we should be watching, with some objectivity. I have an interest in
#37. To: tom007 (#36)
I monitor NPR, except for their Human Interest stories, which can be great.
#38. To: abraxas (#0)
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#39. To: Armadillo (#38)
If Lindsey Graham wants war, he should be on the front lines in the first wave of any attack.
#40. To: JRiggs (#39)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#41. To: Cynicom (#22)
There you go again, trying to work within the system.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#42. To: Turtle (#18)
Those who think the U.S. military was involved in 9-11 are themselves the traitors.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#43. To: abraxas (#27)
I tried to edit my post and it cut off the entire third paragraph......into cyberspace for ever.
#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)
#45. To: Armadillo (#38)
#46. To: abraxas (#44)
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