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Dead Constitution
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Title: I’m Fed Up With Constitution Worship!
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnett/barnett26.1.html
Published: Sep 25, 2010
Author: Gary Barnett
Post Date: 2010-09-25 10:58:01 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 613
Comments: 41

I must say that I didn’t always feel this way, but I am now truly sick of hearing every day about how we should uphold, defend, and worship the U.S. Constitution. Yes, I am aware that if it were followed to the letter that we would all be somewhat better off, but was that ever the real intent? I think not.

As I perused an article recently in the Christian Science Monitor titled "Why Do Americans Get the Constitution So Wrong" by Lion Calandra, I thought it was time to expose some of the misconceptions about our so-called reverent "founding" document. The first few words of that article set the stage for my rant.

The opening statement: "On this day, 223 years ago, the U.S. Constitution was born, giving Americans the freedoms that they hold dear, the freedoms that men and women have died to defend."

Obviously, the author also got it wrong, because everything in the above sentence is patently false. Our freedoms did not come from any political class or due to any drafting of a political document. Our rights and freedoms are God-given and inherent. They are natural human rights, and cannot be bestowed by men! Our natural rights to life, liberty, and property encompass all others; this a fact barely acknowledged by most. Without the right to life and liberty, no other right can exist. With the right to life and liberty, all other rights are evident.

Also, the notion that men and women died to defend our freedoms can only be correct if one considers those very few who have died fighting against our own federal government’s encroachment against liberty. If the intent here is to laud those who died in warfare, then again, the author is completely wrong. Those who fight in wars are defending and serving the government, and therefore are harming freedom, not protecting it. This may seem a harsh statement to some, but it is this truth that escapes almost all Americans. If more understood this, we would all be much better off. War is the health of the state, and therefore is antithetical to freedom. U.S. wars are directly responsible for a more powerful government and less freedom; the opposite of what is taught in the government-run schools, and what political pundits constantly spew.

Why was the current U.S. constitution drafted and ratified in the first place? Was it because our founders believed that they were doing more to protect liberty? Did they think that this particular document would serve to expand and protect our freedoms? Were the Articles of Confederation, our constitution at the time, anti-freedom or inadequate? Did that constitution allow the federal government more or less power than the new one?

If one answers these questions honestly, many other questions will arise, and the answers to those questions may cause resentment to replace respect. In fact, our current constitution greatly expanded government power over the people, not the other way around, as most believe. Just consider one example: In the Articles of Confederation the federal government had no power to lay and collect (by force) taxes. Any money needed had to come voluntarily from the individual states. In Article 1, Section 8 of our current constitution, the federal government has virtually an unlimited power to tax. This fact alone should have been reason enough to not ratify the constitution 223 years ago. Of course, most of the rest of those powers given to Congress in Article 1, Section 8 should have also caused great concern for anyone sympathetic to liberty.

The Anti-federalists had it right all along. The Articles of Confederation were certainly not perfect, but that constitution was a damn sight better than the one we have now. One single reading of Article 1, Section 8 of the current U.S. Constitution should literally scare the living daylights out of all who believe in freedom and liberty. In my opinion, Hamilton and his followers were able to fool and then co-opt enough of the political leaders of the time to bring about a massive change; a change that ushered in a much more powerful central governing system. This was entirely by design in my opinion, and was never intended to advance and protect the freedom of the individual. Had that been the case, slavery would never have been sanctioned by that same document. Why this system is so revered is beyond me. It can only be due to long-term indoctrination. I have been told since childhood of the greatness of the constitution by peers, by the school system, by politicians, by the media, and by virtually everyone else able to utter the spoken word. Considering this, it is no wonder that this mediocre document is worshiped by so many.

It should be obvious that I am not attempting to fully explain or outline the constitution, nor am I attempting to put forth any expert legal opinion concerning it. This has been done over and over again. I am simply pointing out that this supreme law of the United States is not what it seems. Things are always done for a reason, and in my opinion, the constitution was drafted so as to expand the powers of the national government, and weaken the powers held by the individual states and the people. This has certainly been the end result. I think it is important to remember that many of the founders of this country, while courageous in their fight to free themselves from English rule, were still politicians, and as such had their own agendas. These agendas did not always run parallel with individual freedom, especially considering the Hamiltonians. While this may be hard to swallow for some, it is nonetheless true.

What does all this mean? In my mind, it simply means that a piece of paper does not freedom make. None of us gained freedom due to other men bestowing it upon us. None of us gained our freedom due to men drafting constitutional documents. We gain our freedom naturally at birth, and from that point forward, it is up to each individual to protect it. Freedom can only exist and thrive when individuals understand its importance and defend it at all costs. Not against monsters from abroad as is the opinion of most, but against our own government. No constitution can accomplish this, and any constitution is worthless without the ideas of freedom and liberty living in the hearts and minds of individuals willing to force its compliance. There are some who have the freedom philosophy living in their hearts and minds, but there are very few who are willing to risk all to fight for it. This dynamic will have to change before we again become truly free of this now tyrannical government.

I think the time has come for all of us to reevaluate the meaning of freedom. Freedom comes from within and is natural to the human species. Men cannot give freedom but men can take it away. All government operates by force, and force is the absolute opposite of freedom. Government is never a friend to liberty, so government should be held back and controlled. If some set of rules such as a constitution is the desired vehicle to accomplish order, then those set of rules should not only be strict and limited, but enforced by the people themselves. Without this control, we end up in 2010 America.

The following excerpt from Human Action thoroughly illustrates the antagonism between freedom and government:

It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. The funds that a government spends for whatever purposes are levied by taxation. And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. They know that any disobedience or resistance is hopeless. As long as this is the state of affairs, the government is able to collect the money that it wants to spend. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning. Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

I will put my faith in God, not men. I will have faith in freedom, not constitutions. Our salvation and return to liberty lies not in faith in men residing in the halls of congress, but in our belief in us as free and sovereign individuals.


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Hear! Hear!

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#2. To: christine (#0)

I will put my faith in God, not men. I will have faith in freedom, not constitutions. Our salvation and return to liberty lies not in faith in men residing in the halls of congress, but in our belief in us as free and sovereign individuals.

Poster Comment:

Hear! Hear!

I second that motion.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-09-25   11:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Amen! bump

Lod  posted on  2010-09-25   11:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0)

Understanding the U.S. Constitution [It wasn't by, of, and for you and me].

YouTube - Understanding the U.S. Constitution - The Preamble
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs92KlRJJXY

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry God & Government Book and Video Unlock Founding Fathers' Hidden Secrets of the US Constitution.
www.america-betrayed-1787.com/

AntiFederalists - America Betrayed 1787
Patrick Henry was animated by a spirit of liberty characteristic of the frontier region of western Virginia and later of the AntiFederalists.

"...."I see the awful immensity of the dangers with which it [adoption of this system] is pregnant. I see it. I feel it. I see beings of a higher order anxious concerning our decision. When I see beyond the horizon that bounds human eyes, and look at the final consummation of all human things, and see those intelligent beings which inhabit the ethereal mansions reviewing the political decisions and revolutions which, in the progress of time, will happen in America, and the consequent happiness or misery of mankind, I am led to believe that much of the account, on one side or the other, will depend on what we now decide. Our own happiness alone is not affected by the event. All nations are interested in the determination. We have it in our power to secure the happiness of one half of the human race. Its adoption may involve the misery of the other hemisphere."....."

www.america-betrayed-1787.com/antifederalists.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-09-25   11:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

The Most Dreaded Enemy of Liberty
by James Madison

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. . . . [There is also an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and . . . degeneracy of manners and of morals. . . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. . . .

[It should be well understood] that the powers proposed to be surrendered [by the Third Congress] to the Executive were those which the Constitution has most jealously appropriated to the Legislature. . . .

The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the power of declaring a state of war . . . the power of raising armies . . . the power of creating offices. . . .

A delegation of such powers [to the President] would have struck, not only at the fabric of our Constitution, but at the foundation of all well organized and well checked governments.

The separation of the power of declaring war from that of conducting it, is wisely contrived to exclude the danger of its being declared for the sake of its being conducted.

The separation of the power of raising armies from the power of commanding them, is intended to prevent the raising of armies for the sake of commanding them.

The separation of the power of creating offices from that of filling them, is an essential guard against the temptation to create offices for the sake of gratifying favourites or multiplying dependents.

James Madison was the fourth president of the United States. This is from Letters and Other Writings of James Madison.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   12:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Turtle (#1)

Burr was a hero for killing the Jew Hamilton.

His mother's first husband was an old Jewish merchant. I still can't find anything to indicate she was Jewish. The mother was at least part Huguenot which was a persecuted French Calvinist. She fled the old Jewish merchant and first son because they fought a lot and he had her locked up in jail for a brief time.

He was raised Presbyterian it seems. After being a scoffer for some time, he wrote some stuff on Christianity (out of base political motives) and, being mortally wounded in the duel, took time to plead with two different ministers for communion before he died.

So his actual Jewishness by birth or personal convictions is in question and certainly he observed Christian sacraments when he knew death was near. That alone disqualifies him from being considered Jewish. The Jews don't care much for Jesus.

So it was good he was shot but I don't see any details that show he or his mother was Jewish. Her father was a Huguenot physician, her mother was of the English petty nobility.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-25   12:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Turdle, Turtle, christine, AllTheKingsHorses, all (#1) (Edited)

Burr was a hero for killing the Jew Hamilton. Too bad he didn't do it 20 years before.

Very good Turdle. A subtle poisoning of the thread by inserting a little gratuitous hate. Is it a paying position or do you do it just for the sheer joy of sharing a little hate?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   12:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#0)

If the intent here is to laud those who died in warfare, then again, the author is completely wrong. Those who fight in wars are defending and serving the government, and therefore are harming freedom, not protecting it. This may seem a harsh statement to some, but it is this truth that escapes almost all Americans.

Escapes Americans????

Does the author honestly believe we of the unwashed are that stupid, that ignorant????

The government holds the gun to your head and you WILL comply. The author might better address his fault finding to those that elect the same government year after year, they legitimize this government, not the useless eater that goes off to war.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-25   13:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#0)

most excellent essay!! so many people, even on the socalled right, do not get that our rights are God given. inherent natural rights. people bicker this point on the internet. when i filmed that pig cop in that infamous video & he demanded i shut it off & i said NO, i kept repeating that i have God given rights. but even people who dont like cops, who agree we can film them, argue & dismiss the fact that our rights are God given. i think we have to stress these rights more. this is the same reason why when brewer passed 1070 & proclaimed that no one could solicit work from the roadside, that was bullshit invalid 'law' too. no one has any right to forbid a man from feeding his family. thats a God given natural right. we live in a very sad & f-d up world. wickedness everywhere.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-09-25   13:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#0)

The Anti-Federalists have been given a rough ride and short shrift in the history books whereas the polemics of the Federalist Papers have been sanctified. Yet the Anti-Federalists had some very valid points and over time their concerns have become evident and are expressed in our current Federal Leviathan which has come to treat itself as supreme with the citizenry as subjects and not free citizens with inherent and unalienable rights.

The primary and most glaring defect in our Constitution is that it provides no mechanism, short of open revolt, to enforce the Constitution upon the Federal Government and ensuring that it remains within its lawful bounds respecting the rights retained by the free citizenry.

Shipping Jefferson, the author of our Declaration of Independence, the staunch advocate of tightly restrained government and defender of individual liberties off to France during the Constitutional Convention was, I am sure, no accident.

Even at the time of the writing of the Constitution there were forces at work already seeking to lessen our freedoms and increase the powers, unduly, of the Federal Government.

While it would be good to revisit and revise the Constitution to eliminate its defects and strengthen the restraints upon the Federal Government now is not the time. Any such attempt would be subverted, twisted, and used to increase the level of tyranny not the level of freedom. There are too many entrenched forces inimical to our liberty now in place. First, before action can be taken to strengthen the rights of free men and women, we must somehow root out the corruption and remove the influence of the dark forces seeking even now to enslave us.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   13:12:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, original_intent (#4)

i tend to agree with Eric WhoRU, talk show host who had a show on wtprn. he refered to the 'CON'stitution, written by 'george washington & his aristocrat buddies'. that guy used to crack me up. he once told the story of a dog catcher trespassing on his property demanding 'license' for eric's dogs. he didn't open his door & said get off my property or i will use this here shotgun. lmao! CLASSIC radio.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-09-25   13:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#10)

While it would be good to revisit and revise the Constitution to eliminate its defects and strengthen the restraints upon the Federal Government now is not the time. Any such attempt would be subverted, twisted, and used to increase the level of tyranny not the level of freedom. There are too many entrenched forces inimical to our liberty now in place. First, before action can be taken to strengthen the rights of free men and women, we must somehow root out the corruption and remove the influence of the dark forces seeking even now to enslave us.

Excellent...

The South tried and paid a horrible price in blood and death, to the almighty government.

It use to be, he that raised his hand against the government was eradicated, now he that raises his VOICE against an evil government has become the enemy and must be silenced.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-25   13:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

It use to be, he that raised his hand against the government was eradicated, now he that raises his VOICE against an evil government has become the enemy and must be silenced.

That, sadly, is very true. We can see that in the Gestapo of the Vaterland Sekurity has been publishing manuals and labeling people lawfully demanding redress of legitimate grievances as "potential terrorists". By their way of thinking if you, the lowly serf of the state, raises their voice in protest or attempts to cite the founding documents as a defense of your liberty then you are a "potential terrorist". As Bob Grant used to say: "It's sick out, and getting sicker."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   13:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)

You are a potential terrorist.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   13:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

No, unlike you I stand in defense of the rights and liberties of all. Even those, such as yourself, with whom I stand in violent disagreement.

I would not silence your voice nor your treasonous ramblings, but merely declaim them for what they are - treason - if only in your black heart.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   13:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)

You need mental help. Seriously. I'll leave you alone now. No need to disturb the mentally deranged.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   13:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Your gibberings really require little comment and assuredly that is the measure of their worth.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   13:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#17)

Your gibberings really require little comment and assuredly that is the measure of their worth.

Amen.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-25   14:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone, Original_Intent (#14)

To: Original_Intent: You are a potential terrorist.

ROTFL

If anyone is a terrorist, it is YOU and your Zionist thugs.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-25   14:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, Original_Intent, abraxas (#19)

If anyone is a terrorist, it is YOU and your Zionist thugs.

Amen!


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-09-25   14:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#0)

I’m Fed Up With Constitution Worship!

I have suspected for the last few years that the people at lewrockwell hated the U.S. Constitution.

Now, I know for sure that they do.

The most evil way someone can destroy something they hate is for them to claim that ONLY they can understand it. Only they can truly preach it. And a good case of what I am talking about is written in the top article.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-09-25   14:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PaulCJ (#21) (Edited)

The most evil way someone can destroy something they hate is for them to claim that ONLY they can understand it. Only they can truly preach it. And a good case of what I am talking about is written in the top article.

As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions by many, many people on this site and LP, your reading comprehension skills are very poor.

IF you bothered to read the article I highly doubt that you understood what you were reading.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-09-25   14:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-26   0:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#0)

.....I got some super glue we can put into the locks of the state legislatures is you wanna come help with some minor mayhem and mischief meant to aggravate the state and motivate the people.....

Food for thought. Some one man armies win. Many man armies win bigger.

titorite  posted on  2010-09-26   0:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#23)

When God is made irrelevant, the man steps into the role of God.

Not quite. If you can't accept god thats fine. Substitute "YOURMOM" for creator.

You did not make yourself did you?

titorite  posted on  2010-09-26   0:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: titorite (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-26   0:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#23)

Life and liberty come from a "Creator," someone bigger and infinitely more absolute than any man or group of men.

But the second that such a "Creator" does not exist, that all vaporizes because man (or groups of men) now replace that Creator in absolute relevance.

Few understand that and even more don't want to accept the common sense element of it, but that's the history of mankind in a nutshell!

When God is made irrelevant, the man steps into the role of God. It is that simple!

That explains a lot about why some people have been pushing atheism into overdrive here.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-26   4:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

I must say that I didn’t always feel this way, but I am now truly sick of hearing every day about how we should uphold, defend, and worship the U.S. Constitution.

That's strange. I have never once heard or read anyone saying that we should "worship" the Constitution. Maybe he's so sick he thinks he's hearing things. Whatever. I'm fairly certain he's never read the Articles of Confederation, or doesn't understand it if he did, or he's a con-artist. Everytime I see someone invoke that document as if the Constitution is inferior to it and there was a dastardly "coup" when the Articles of Confederation were dissolved, I'm fairly certain they've never read it, or they just don't understand it, or they're con- artists trying to dupe under-educated Americans into enmity against the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. If there is anyone here who has read the Articles of Confederation and agrees with this excerpt from it -- which utterly disenfranchises the poor -- I'd like to hear why.

The Articles of Confederation: Article IV. The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States;

Notice the word "privileges" with "respect" to citizens. The word "right" is not mentioned once in the Articles for citizens, let alone a Bill of Rights. The Federal government had rights, States had rights, "the private right of soil claimed under different grants of two or more States" is mentioned but no rights for citizens -- just whatever privileges and immunities the several states wanted to allow the citizens in them, which could be revoked, and the poor were not entitled to any.

Why was the current U.S. constitution drafted and ratified in the first place? Was it because our founders believed that they were doing more to protect liberty? Did they think that this particular document would serve to expand and protect our freedoms? Were the Articles of Confederation, our constitution at the time, anti-freedom or inadequate?

Yes, yes, and yes. What do the author and the likeminded want to replace the Constitution with? The Socialists would still want their free lunches and Commie-"Progressive" governance so it looks to me like any libertarian or anarchist replacement would have all the same defector problems the Constitution has. People who despise the Constitution are free to renounce their citizenship anytime they want to do that. The quicker the better, imo, but America belongs to Constitutionalists -- all of it.

Comparing the Articles and the Constitution

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-26   6:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: PaulCJ (#21)

did you read the article? do you not understand the reasons why? have you ever read Lysander Spooner's "The Constitution of No Authority?" do you understand the federalists vs the anti-federalists?

christine  posted on  2010-09-26   10:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent, PaulCJ (#10)

ping to OI's post

christine  posted on  2010-09-26   11:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GreyLmist (#28)

Notice the word "privileges" with "respect" to citizens. The word "right" is not mentioned once in the Articles for citizens, let alone a Bill of Rights. The Federal government had rights, States had rights, "the private right of soil claimed under different grants of two or more States" is mentioned but no rights for citizens -- just whatever privileges and immunities the several states wanted to allow the citizens in them, which could be revoked, and the poor were not entitled to any.

ahhh..good points. my understanding of the reason for this was that one did not have a vote/stake unless he/she was a property owner. am i mistaken?

christine  posted on  2010-09-26   11:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#8)

Does the author honestly believe we of the unwashed are that stupid, that ignorant????

How refreshing to read your comments, i.e., "The government holds the gun to your head and you WILL comply. The author might better address his fault finding to those that elect the same government year after year, they legitimize this government, not the useless eater that goes off to war."

I continue to respect your ability to understand the issue(s) and get to the point.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-09-26   12:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#12)

The South tried and paid a horrible price in blood and death, to the almighty government.

It use to be, he that raised his hand against the government was eradicated, now he that raises his VOICE against an evil government has become the enemy and must be silenced.

So true, as evidenced by the recent activities of the POTUS and our Department of Justice.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-09-26   12:37:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Phant2000 (#32)

Thank you...

Difficult to see thru the drug haze. However idiocy and BS cannot hide.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-26   12:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#18)

OI to AKA Stone: "Your gibberings really require little comment and assuredly that is the measure of their worth."

Cynicom to OI: "Amen."

Good comment(s). AKA is well known for enabling, encouraging and supporting the Zionists to continue with their evil work.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-09-26   12:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Phant2000, Cynicom, A K A Quisling, A K A Pervert, A K A Stone, all (#35)

OI to AKA Stone: "Your gibberings really require little comment and assuredly that is the measure of their worth."

Cynicom to OI: "Amen."

Good comment(s). AKA is well known for enabling, encouraging and supporting the Zionists to continue with their evil work.

Thanks. Oddly enough I do not always disagree with him on all points but on the subject of Zionism and Sodom and Gomorrah he is quite insane. Any evil, no matter how great, is excused by whatever perverted reasoning.

And good to see you back. I was going to ask how you were doing but it looks like you're recovered enough to be back in action. Welcome back.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-26   13:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#31)

There are no recognized citizen rights in the Articles of Confederation. They are called state "privileges" with no uniformity and the poor had none. The disparity goes far beyond the "priviliege" to vote for representation if propertied. If anyone wants to get an idea of what America would look like under the Articles of Confederation rather than the Constitution, just look at the rogues in D.C. acting as if only the government has rights and not citizens. That's the blueprint they're basically trying to reinstate as if nobody of any significance will notice or object much.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-26   15:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#29)

did you read the article?

Yes, I read the article.

Note the statement I made in my previous comment here: The most evil way someone can destroy something they hate is for them to claim that ONLY they can understand it. Only they can truly preach it. And a good case of what I am talking about is written in the top article.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-09-26   16:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Phant2000 (#32)

hi, great to see you, Phant. i hope you're doing much better.

christine  posted on  2010-09-26   17:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GreyLmist (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-26   21:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#8) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-09-27   10:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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