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Title: Alternative Media and Ahamadinejad's Speech. Total Silence! Total Censorship.
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URL Source: http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09- ... total-silence-total-censorship
Published: Sep 25, 2010
Author: pfgetty
Post Date: 2010-09-25 14:18:59 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Censorship, Perception, Management, Omission
Views: 2633
Comments: 47
I have just perused some of the most popular "alternative" media sites this Saturday morning to see what is being written about Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN this week. Seems like complete avoidance. Censorship is a better word. While the msm at least covered the story, the alternative media has avoided the story, hoping it would go away. They are, it seems, under strict guidelines to not mention 9/11 truth or any of the evidence that conflicts with the official story of 9/11. I looked at Alternet, CommonDreams, Truthout, DemocracyNow, Counterpunch, antiwar.com. I did see a small mention of the speech on DemocracyNow, as part of their news rundown. No details. I didn't see anything on antiwar.com's listing of headlines around the world that normally would have had information about the speech. I think this is a clear indication that our progressive and independent alternative media is completely controlled. By whom? Well, it seems by the big foundations that help fund these sites. If you go to the foundational support for any of these sites, you will find foundations that link back to the likes of the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation, Charles Steart Mott Foundation, McKnight Foundation, Joyce Foundation, and many others. Michel Chossudovsky explains in his article at Global Research, "Manufacturing Dissent", that this funding is part of a plan by the elites to actually control the content and actions of the so called "people's movement", in that while allowing these groups to actively dissent against the globalization movement of the international powerful elites, they actively fund them so that limits can be placed where necessary. They realize that it is healthiest for a lot of antiglobalization activity to occur, but only up to a certain point, and it is better that they fund those groups that acknowledge their limits and ensure that no real change ever comes about. Certainly one of the limits is that 9/11 truth is not presented in any media outlets "on the take". The website for his article is globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21110. The Progressive and Alternative media sites that are supported by these foundations obviously want to continue their activism in issues such as antiwar, environmentalism, stopping torture, opposing restrictions on human rights, etc, and I guess they feel that to do so they need the funding from these huge foundations. They may feel that otherwise they could not possibly continue without the money flowing in. In their minds, they have made a compromise worth making. But in the end, their objectives are all thwarted, in that as long as the elites can lie whenever they want to so blatantly, as in 9/11, without the media investigating, there is not much that is ever going to be done in the issues that are so important to them. The elites will continue to pull out the stops whenever real change against them may be in the works. I'm sure they watch closely. Clearly, we in the 9/11 truth movement need to, first of all, not support any of these alternative media outlets, and we should also do all we can to expose their censorship of the truth. While it may not help, calling or writing to them during their donation drives and explaining why we are adamant in not supporting them is something we can try. And, of course, supporting any of the media outlets that DO expose the lies of the 9/11 official story is something we should all do. And I think monitoring which media groups are supportive of the truth and which are censoring truth is helpful, and that is where 911blogger comes in. Let's keep posting what we see going on in the media. Right here.
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#7. To: PaulCJ, Original_Intent, *9-11* (#5)
I can't speak for OI, but any innocent person would deny it, not walk out of his own house in a huff.
He has a sense of humor.
You are so naive when it comes to manners and tac. And they walked of the room, not the building. I have seen first hand people being falsely accused of things. They walked out of the room, instead of harming the accuser.
Summary from GORDON DUFF: WHAT AHMADINEJAD ISN’T TELLING US: 27 nations walked out, not the people of those nations but representatives of the governments. 163 nations stayed.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Was he the last speaker? If not and they didn't walk back in when he was done, that's very rude to the speakers after him. All of the other nations probably pay some fees to be members of the UN Country Club too, not just the US.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I think that the people who rule our country did the september 11'th events.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I think you are right. "The people who rule our country" being only vaguely congruent with our "government."
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
I was amused that PaulCJ thought it was somehow impolite to say the truth, that the powers that be in our own country did the september 11'th job thus killing a few of our people. the people who rule our country purposely murdered about 90 people near waco, TX in 1993. they've sacrificed many Americans in useless wars that they didn't even intend to win. They've done many bad things to america and to others. they are not our friends. adinemjad is not our enemy. our enemies are in washington and new york. they are our rulers.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
only a minority of americans really believe in the government/big media's conspiracy theories about the september 11'th events. about one third of Americans believe like me that the people who rule us did it (or at least let it happen). and another third understands the official story may be a lie, but has no coclusions as to what happened. and only about one third of our people actually buy the conspiracy theories we're taught on tv. the rest of us should be silent to protect the fantasies of the minority? the nature of those who cling to the conspiracy theories of our government is such that they're so upset by the truth that they will severely persecute anyone who speaks the truth.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
Thanks, Red, for stating the case simply and clearly. For myself, I can hardly bear to talk about it or discuss it any more.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
Thank you I had seen reference to that but had lost the link.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent, if a guest, in your own home, decided to accuse you of cold blooded murder of your own people in front of other guests, what would you have done to the guest making the accusations? The fact he was not shot right after making the accusations, with Iran being charged the price of the bullet, shows great restraint on the U.S.'s part. Not to get bogged down in technicalities but the U.N. is neutral territory surrounded by the U.S. but IS an international forum and an entity separate from the U.S. though physically surrounded by U.S. soil. However, the broader point is answered simply that propriety is often based upon circumstance and an important truth is never out of order. Were it a false accusation it would be one thing but the mitigating factor, among others, is that it happens to be true. So, if he speaks an unpleasant truth is that to be condemned in preference to a lie? "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Righto! And honesty, integrity, and justice do not rank high upon their list of priorities. In fact they appear to be wholly absent.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Exactly and they rank among the most un-American of Americans. You can find their piteous quisling wailings at such as Freeptardia, among the Dildoheads, and other such vermin who would take a lie in preference to the truth because to accept the truth places upon them that most dreaded of words R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y. And too many people, particularly the Freeptards and Dildoheads, will do anything but take responsibility for knowing the truth and following a course of action to help set matters aright.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Ahamadinejad is a known tyrant and liar. He has stated multiple times that he would like to destroy the U.S. along with Israel. He has everything to gain by lying and making false accusations against the U.S. Now, answer my question to you.
No, what he said has been intentionally mistranslated and misrepresented multiple times. The accurate translation was that Israel would pass from the world stage not by any action of Iran but by their own actions, and that their own evil would be their downfall. Israel is a rogue and criminal state. It is the only State in the Middle East with a massive nuclear arsenal. It is the only state in the middle east with nuclear armed submarines. Israel routinely commits human rights abuses that would be national headlines if conducted by anyone else. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Your question was answered. You just don't like the answer. The exit of the American and Israeli delegations exit had nothing to do with being offended and had everything to do with Ahmadinejad hitting the Bulls-Eye which was something they cannot acknowledge or address because admission that 911 was a contrived event conducted as a PsyOp immediately delegitimizes U.S. Policy and War Crimes in the Middle East.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
(sarcasm) I guess when he had protesters imprisoned and tortured in Iran, that was "intentionally mistranslated and misrepresented multiple times" too. (sarcasm end) The fact you defend a tyrant shows how little you understand of the seriousness of the situation. Now answer my question.
No, you did not answer my question. You sidestepped it. Now answer my question.
What occurred in that case has nothing to do whatsoever with whether he was inaccurately and intentionally mistranslated to generate untruthful propaganda. No, I am defending the truth. What he said and an accurate representation of its true meaning has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike Ahmadinejad. Your attempt to assert otherwise is a misrepresentation of what I said and is nothing more than a personal attack i.e., "argumentum ad hominem". The use of the word tyrant, whether accurate or not, was use of a "loaded word" to promote your argument since logic and facts do not.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Your question was answered. I don't play "have you quit beating your wife yet?" games. 911 WAS an inside job, what Ahmadinejad said was true and the real reason that the diplomats walked out was because they dare not acknowledge or grant any credence to the truth. When someone makes a criminal accusation it is quite normal for the criminal to become upset, particularly in the case of mass murder, as such are often offered a new "neck tie". Criminals do not like having their crimes exposed.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You comparing a stranger making accusations in a person's home, to someone beating their spouse, shows how messed up your priorities are.
The tyrant butchers Iranian people whom just want freedom and you calling that a "red herring" is beyond excusable.
Then take your sorry ass over there and rescue them if you care so fucking much. You and those like you are why the Tea Party is a joke.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
The tyrant butchers Iranian people whom just want freedom and you calling that a "red herring" is beyond excusable. KMFA. Your argument was logically false, and I made clear I was not defending Ahmadinejad or the Ayatollahocracy. Even the Iranian people are getting to where they can't stand them. However, that is a completely separate issue from my point that Ahmadinejad's comments have been intentionally mistranslated and misconstrued for propaganda purposes, and if you think the U.S. government's hands are any cleaner you obviously are living in a fantasy land constructed for you by professional propagandists such as "Pills" Limbaugh, Sean Vanity, Michael Savage Wiener, Bill O'Really, and Michael Deadved. My statement stands unrefuted. Your attempting to turn it into an emotion fest is completely unrelated to my points. You have disproven nothing, but have proven that you can throw emotional hissy fits in attempting to divert from the fact that your argument is shown to be f-a-l-s-e.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Who are the butchers, Paul?? REUTERS A US military investigation reported that the group randomly targeted civilians for sport. In one incident, a soldier is alleged to have thrown a grenade to feign an ambush as a pretext to shoot dead an innocent villager. Bodies were cut up and photographed and the soldiers are said to have kept bones and a skull as trophies.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
You comparing a stranger making accusations in a person's home, to someone beating their spouse, shows how messed up your priorities are. Your analogy is a false analogy and is one of the Logical Fallacies. The two are not equivalent. The UN is a public diplomatic venue, and is an entity separate and distinct from a private living room. The two are in no way equivalent. You are simply setting up a false argument to divert from the point and significance of Ahmadinejad's accusation. Oh, by the way where is all the evidence of Osama Bin Forgotten's complicity in 911? The Bush Junta publicly stated they had the goods and yet here 9 years after the fact 911 is not even on Osama Bin Dead alongtime's FBI "Most Wanted" Sheet, and that is a matter of public record. So, spare me all the histrionics. You have no case, no argument, and no point.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
REUTERS has been caught lying against the U.S. multiple times. The press are mostly anti-american propagandists.
No, it is connected. You judge someone by their actions, and his actions have been savage and cruel, and as such he has NO STANDING to make accusation against the U.S.
No, it is connected. You judge someone by their actions, and his actions have been savage and cruel, and as such he has NO STANDING to make accusation against the U.S. So, it is permissible to misquote, and misrepresent what someone else said because you don't like them? That is an interesting theory. How do the facts change because you disapprove of someone?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You think that he is being misquoted. I disagree. When a nation's political representative says they are going to kill someone, you have to take their threat at face value. The stakes are to high not too. He wants us all dead. He has no standing to accuse the U.S. of anything.
You've gone mad, Paul. This matter is under adjudication by a military court.
I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. - Roman Moroni
However that is not what he said. You are simply trying to assert the propaganda line which is not born out by an accurate translation. You are simply trying to put a propaganda lyin' in his mouth and misrepresent my point. You can try to catapult the propaganda all you wish but your dishonest assertion is nothing more than an intentional mistranslation of what was actually said. DID AHMADINEJAD REALLY CALL TO "WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP?" 'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century So, in the final analysis he never said what your propaganda says he said. Q.E.D.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
As opposed to the propaganda line you and he assert from the Soros funded "truther movement".
What matter?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As opposed to the propaganda line you and he assert from the Soros funded "truther movement". Your argument has no there, there. You continue to try to assert a propaganda line which has been disproven from multiple sources and upon multiple occasions. At this point you are simply going in a circle trying to "catapult the propaganda".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
It is clear that you have your mind made up that you consider Ahmadinejad a man worth trusting. I just disagree with you on this.
He's likely a tool just like the rest of them, but he's telling the truth about 9/11 and he never threatened Israel or the US. At least nothing like the MSM has made it out to sound. He's been demonized and villified by the ptb using propaganda and disinfo. It's all just a puppet show. You should know that.
You are right, he can't be trusted. He is obviously working with the Jews to start WW3.
God is always good!
That is not my point or my argument. My point is much smaller i.e., that for propaganda purposes what he said was twisted as part of the ongoing attempt to find a way to create an aura of legitimacy for an attack on Iran. The same exact tactic was used in the run up to the attack on Iraq. I didn't buy it then either. You do remember "some of the most destructive weapons ever created" and Saddam's vast stockpiles of them - which at the time I said did not exist. I imagine there are still a few Freeptards who expect them to be found any day now.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent, if a guest, in your own home, decided to accuse you of cold blooded murder of your own people in front of other guests, what would you have done to the guest making the accusations?
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)
#8. To: Tatarewicz (#6)
A-jad was a bit more cagey in an exchange with a reporter who was asking if bin Laden was residing in Tehran. A-jad concluded the exchange by saying I heard he is in Washington.
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)
#9. To: wudidiz (#7)
I can't speak for OI, but any innocent person would deny it, not walk out of his own house in a huff.
#10. To: Original_Intent (#2)
#11. To: PaulCJ (#9)
(Edited)
they walked of the room, not the building.
#12. To: PaulCJ (#5)
#13. To: Red Jones (#12)
#14. To: randge, PaulCJ (#13)
#15. To: PaulCJ (#9)
#16. To: Red Jones (#15)
#17. To: wudidiz (#4)
#18. To: PaulCJ (#5)
Keep in mind that Ahmadinejad is a guest of the U.S. He said these accusations in a U.S. taxpayer paid building, inside the U.S.
"Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it." ~ Patrick Henry, Falls Church, VA, March 23, 1775
#19. To: randge, Red Jones (#13)
"The people who rule our country" being only vaguely congruent with our "government."
#20. To: Red Jones, PaulCJ (#15)
the nature of those who cling to the conspiracy theories of our government is such that they're so upset by the truth that they will severely persecute anyone who speaks the truth.
#21. To: Original_Intent (#18)
However, the broader point is answered simply that propriety is often based upon circumstance and an important truth is never out of order.
#22. To: PaulCJ (#21)
Ahamadinejad is a known tyrant and liar. He has stated multiple times that he would like to destroy the U.S. along with Israel.
#23. To: PaulCJ (#21)
#24. To: Original_Intent (#22)
(Edited)
No, what he said has been intentionally mistranslated and misrepresented multiple times.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Your question was answered. You just don't like the answer.
#26. To: PaulCJ (#24)
(sarcasm) I guess when he had protesters imprisoned and tortured in Iran, that was "intentionally mistranslated and misrepresented multiple times" too. (sarcasm end)
The fact you defend a tyrant shows how little you understand of the seriousness of the situation.
#27. To: PaulCJ (#25)
#28. To: Original_Intent (#27)
I don't play "have you quit beating your wife yet?" games.
#29. To: Original_Intent (#26)
Red Herring
#30. To: PaulCJ, Original_Intent (#29)
The tyrant butchers Iranian people whom just want freedom and you calling that a "red herring" is beyond excusable.
#31. To: PaulCJ (#29)
Red Herring
#32. To: PaulCJ (#29)
The tyrant butchers Iranian people whom just want freedom and you calling that a "red herring" is beyond excusable.
#33. To: PaulCJ (#28)
I don't play "have you quit beating your wife yet?" games.
False Analogy
#34. To: randge (#32)
#35. To: Original_Intent (#31)
Even the Iranian people are getting to where they can't stand them. However, that is a completely separate issue from my point that Ahmadinejad's comments
#36. To: PaulCJ (#35)
Even the Iranian people are getting to where they can't stand them. However, that is a completely separate issue from my point that Ahmadinejad's comments
#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)
So, it is permissible to misquote, and misrepresent what someone else said because you don't like them?
#38. To: PaulCJ (#34)
REUTERS has been caught lying against the U.S. multiple times. The press are mostly anti-american propagandists.
#39. To: PaulCJ (#37)
When a nation's political representative says they are going to kill someone, you have to take their threat at face value. The stakes are to high not too.
"It turns out that Ahmadinejad never said what is being routinely attributed to him. Juan Cole, a professor of Middle Eastern studies at University of Michigan who reads Persian, explains that he actually stated (quoting the late Ayatollah Khomeini): "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."
Now, some might say, "So he didn't say, 'wipe off the map,' he said 'erase from the page.' What's the difference? Anyway he's saying he wants to get rid of Israel." But Cole explains why the mistranslation significantly distorts the Iranian leader's words. "Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope -- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government. Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that 'Israel must be wiped off the map' with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time." ...
... So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). ...
#40. To: Original_Intent (#39)
You are simply trying to assert the propaganda line which is not born out by an accurate translation.
#41. To: randge (#38)
This matter is under adjudication by a military court.
#42. To: PaulCJ (#40)
You are simply trying to assert the propaganda line which is not born out by an accurate translation.
#43. To: wudidiz (#7)
#44. To: Original_Intent (#42)
#45. To: PaulCJ, Original_Intent (#44)
No Planes. Think about it. ................. Guaranteed Penetration (no it's not porn)
#46. To: PaulCJ (#44)
It is clear that you have your mind made up that you consider Ahmadinejad a man worth trusting. I just disagree with you on this.
#47. To: PaulCJ (#44)
It is clear that you have your mind made up that you consider Ahmadinejad a man worth trusting. I just disagree with you on this.
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