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Title: Mass-rape of women & children by American soldiers
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3w2mGQ7V3Q&feature=related
Published: Sep 28, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-09-28 12:55:51 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Iranian state propaganda. Obviously intended for weak-minded Westerners who speak English. After all, news reports produced for Iran will be broadcast in Farsi.

They never mention that female prisoners are routinely raped in their own prisons, even prior to conviction. This is common in these despotic Mideastern regimes.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-28   14:35:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

Iranian state propaganda. Obviously intended for weak-minded Westerners who speak English. After all, news reports produced for Iran will be broadcast in Farsi.

The universal language for international coverage is English, and broadcasting internationally is exactly what they want to do in order to bring attention to this matter.

It's not just the Iranians reporting this, there are a myraid number of reports, even from Western agencies, of this sort of thing taking place, and worse.

They never mention that female prisoners are routinely raped in their own prisons, even prior to conviction.

Yes they do, otherwise we wouldn't know about it.

This is common in these despotic Mideastern regimes.

So what's that say about us when we do the very same thing, and even worse?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-09-28   14:41:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)

Yes they do, otherwise we wouldn't know about it.

No, they don't. Our information comes from escaped prisoners primarily.

So what's that say about us when we do the very same thing, and even worse?

There is a difference between routine administrative torture/rape and simple lack of supervision. One is negligence, the other is deliberate.

Now, to the victims that isn't especially helpful but when comparing the two, you have to be honest about what you're dealing with.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-28   15:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#3)

It was in our news that a US Senator told a journalist that he had seen videos and heard audios of US soldiers raping both male and female detainees, including underage of both sexes. And there has been a lot of news in arabic news outlets where US soldiers are accused of systematic rape in places where Iraqis are held prisoner. there have been stories of women committing suicide afterwards, of women asking to be killed afterwards, of women being killed by their relatives over honor after this happens.

In Pakistan they reported it all over their national news as a 'matter of fact' that the Pakistani prisoner (al siquidi?) was raped while in US custody. The US military allowed video images of her to be taken at a time when she was in very bad physical shape. I think it was she herself who was telling the Pakistani media she was raped.

whether we like it or not, at least lots of people in the middle east see our soldiers as being beasts, and our government as allowing them to do systematic rape.

You said that rape is common in the middle east when women are in state custody. That may be true. but it also happens everywhere. But even in the muslim countries people know this to be wrong and most people do not want it to be tolerated. That we have a US Senator who says it happened and that the accusations from the muslim women are so strong, these things speak very loudly.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-28   16:55:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#6)

It was in our news that a US Senator told a journalist that he had seen videos and heard audios of US soldiers raping both male and female detainees, including underage of both sexes.

Oh? Which senator? Did they offer any proof? The Dims are always happy to libel our troops, you know.

And there has been a lot of news in arabic news outlets where US soldiers are accused of systematic rape in places where Iraqis are held prisoner. there have been stories of women committing suicide afterwards, of women asking to be killed afterwards, of women being killed by their relatives over honor after this happens.

In Pakistan they reported it all over their national news as a 'matter of fact' that the Pakistani prisoner (al siquidi?) was raped while in US custody.

They are well aware of how to wage a propaganda war against us, here in the States and in trying to fray EU support in NATO for our wars.

I see no great reason to dismiss their obvious motives in releasing anti-American propaganda. Anyone can say anything. But you still need evidence to convict.

Of course, I'll point out that these are countries where rape and violence against women is endemic and has been for a very long time. It is almost impossible for a Muslim woman to make a rape accusation and have it prosecuted, no matter how much evidence she has. Typically, even if she has evidence and is a person of spotless reputation, they will instead blame her for being raped, put her in jail, and rape her daily for a year or two, then release her to be killed by relatives or they'll stone her to death, as recently happened in northern Afghanistan again. These are the same people who gathered in stadiums to cheer the execution of women accused and convicted in kangaroo courts.

So much for how they care so deeply about rape. Hooey. They're a bunch of 7th century tribesmen with about the morality of the Mongol horde. And they often ignore their own women so they can molest the bazza-boys. Evil as you think we are, we don't institutionalize pederasty. Even the ancient Greeks didn't do that (but the Romans did), contrary to the libels against Greeks that the gay lobby likes to propagandize everyone with. You may recall a while back one of the Afghan policemen shot and killed two Brit officers? What wasn't reported was that he was angry that he couldn't get them to prosecute his superior officer for raping him brutally. And the raped policeman was in his mid-twenties.

More on the Bacha-Bazi, Af-Pak's "dancing boys".

But if we just hold a few more elections, democracy will cure all. Yeah, right.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-28   17:21:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#7)

I give a damn what a bunch of farmers do in Iran or Afghanistan. I've lived in that part of the world, and I know that there is a lot of hanky-panky that goes on behind the scenes. Hypocrisy is the hand maiden of lust and greed there. But what goes on in those places is none of my business.

It should not be my country's business either. What is my business as a citizen is to speak up when the government and the military that I pay for has its hands steeped in filth.

These wars corrupt our institutions and they corrupt our young men.

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