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Title: Mass-rape of women & children by American soldiers
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3w2mGQ7V3Q&feature=related
Published: Sep 28, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-09-28 12:55:51 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Iranian state propaganda. Obviously intended for weak-minded Westerners who speak English. After all, news reports produced for Iran will be broadcast in Farsi.

They never mention that female prisoners are routinely raped in their own prisons, even prior to conviction. This is common in these despotic Mideastern regimes.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-28   14:35:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

Iranian state propaganda. Obviously intended for weak-minded Westerners who speak English. After all, news reports produced for Iran will be broadcast in Farsi.

The universal language for international coverage is English, and broadcasting internationally is exactly what they want to do in order to bring attention to this matter.

It's not just the Iranians reporting this, there are a myraid number of reports, even from Western agencies, of this sort of thing taking place, and worse.

They never mention that female prisoners are routinely raped in their own prisons, even prior to conviction.

Yes they do, otherwise we wouldn't know about it.

This is common in these despotic Mideastern regimes.

So what's that say about us when we do the very same thing, and even worse?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-09-28   14:41:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)

Yes they do, otherwise we wouldn't know about it.

No, they don't. Our information comes from escaped prisoners primarily.

So what's that say about us when we do the very same thing, and even worse?

There is a difference between routine administrative torture/rape and simple lack of supervision. One is negligence, the other is deliberate.

Now, to the victims that isn't especially helpful but when comparing the two, you have to be honest about what you're dealing with.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-09-28   15:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#4. To: TooConservative (#3) (Edited)

There is a difference between routine administrative torture/rape and simple lack of supervision. One is negligence, the other is deliberate.

Apparently you haven't read about the training the guards received. Have you seen this video yet?

U.S. Soldiers Trained in Torture Methods

Have you never read about the abuses at Abu Ghraib in terms of sexual and physical abuse of women, girls, and young boys?

Or of the horrific abuses perpetrated at Bagram Air Base, or other hellholes in the form of "secret prisons" scattered across despotic Middle Eastern nations, NATO and former Warsaw Pact nations?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-09-28 15:30:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#3)

It was in our news that a US Senator told a journalist that he had seen videos and heard audios of US soldiers raping both male and female detainees, including underage of both sexes. And there has been a lot of news in arabic news outlets where US soldiers are accused of systematic rape in places where Iraqis are held prisoner. there have been stories of women committing suicide afterwards, of women asking to be killed afterwards, of women being killed by their relatives over honor after this happens.

In Pakistan they reported it all over their national news as a 'matter of fact' that the Pakistani prisoner (al siquidi?) was raped while in US custody. The US military allowed video images of her to be taken at a time when she was in very bad physical shape. I think it was she herself who was telling the Pakistani media she was raped.

whether we like it or not, at least lots of people in the middle east see our soldiers as being beasts, and our government as allowing them to do systematic rape.

You said that rape is common in the middle east when women are in state custody. That may be true. but it also happens everywhere. But even in the muslim countries people know this to be wrong and most people do not want it to be tolerated. That we have a US Senator who says it happened and that the accusations from the muslim women are so strong, these things speak very loudly.

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