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Title: A Celt in China
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Published: Oct 3, 2010
Author: Malcom
Post Date: 2010-10-03 14:56:57 by Turtle
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Comments: 13

The Loulan Beauty - she's not much a catch these days, but we're assured she was a looker in her day. Picture by Bharat Vij.Cherchen Man, who died around 1000 BC, appears to be as Scottish as square sausage – tall, dark-haired, clad in a red tunic and tartan leggings and sporting a beard as ginger as a burning fox. His DNA attests to his Celtic origins. So why on earth, then, was his mummified corpse discovered buried in the barren sands of the Taklamakan Desert, in the far-flung Xinjiang region of western China?

It’s a question that still has experts scratching their heads, especially since Cherchen Man is just one of hundreds of ancient desiccated corpses of European origin found in the Tarim Basin in western China over the last 25 years. His remains, along with others, are now kept in a museum in the Xinjiang provincial capital of Urumqi, which also houses a reconstruction of how this intrepid traveller might have looked before he died.

It had been well known and accepted that Celtic influence stretched far and wide at the civilization’s peak around 300 BC, from Scotland in the north to Ireland in the west, southern Spain and Italy in the south and parts of Poland, Ukraine and central Turkey in the east. But few experts expected to discover the remains of humans of Celtic descent in central Asia, almost as far east as Tibet. They’ve been described as among the most important archaeological finds of the past quarter century, and point to an ancient connection having evidently existed between east and west as early as the Bronze Age.

They’re among the most important archaeological finds of the past quarter century, and point to an ancient connection between east and west as early as the Bronze Age.The burial site of Cherchen Man and his people bore other hallmarks of Celtic culture, such as large standing stones that look like British dolmens. He was found buried with what appears to be his family – three women and a baby, all of whom have equally European features. One woman’s hair is light brown, and it looks like it was freshly brushed and braided before her mummification.

An even older Tarim mummy than Cherchen Man is the 4,000-year-old Loulan Beauty – discovered near the town of Loulan – who too has long, flowing fair hair, and features that look to be of Nordic origin. All of these European migrants seem to have been peaceful folk, since very few weapons have been found in their graves, or valuable goods that suggest evidence of a caste system. Nonetheless, they might have done well to learn the meaning of the name of the Taklamakan Desert before they made their long journey there – “you go in,” it translates, “and never come out.”


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If you ain't Celtic, you're nothing! HAHAHA!

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

If you ain't Celtic, you're nothing! HAHAHA!

Have you ever been to Europe to study your own historical roots? I have studied the same and the results are not pretty. Our own mutual background was about headhunting, maiming and the destruction of entire cultures (albeit: small) beyond mere defense characteristics.

Just a thought, by the way. You should research some of your own thread articles/posts before proudly/glamourizing some sense of similar blood-line.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-03   15:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

People like to travel. It is human nature. How many tourists (dating back to at least ancient Rome) and explorers died while traveling. This could be the case there.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-10-03   16:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo, Turtle (#1)

Just a thought, by the way. You should research some of your own thread articles/posts before proudly/glamourizing some sense of similar blood-line.

Yeah, Turtle. You should be ashamed of your heritage. How dare you take pride in such a hideous ancestry!

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-10-03   16:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite, turtle (#3) (Edited)

Yeah, Turtle. You should be ashamed of your heritage. How dare you take pride in such a hideous ancestry!

My point was to remind turtle beyond mere sarcastic remarcks (such as your quip, above) that being a mere offspring from well-known headhunters (cannibals & blood-thirsty aggressors) is not something you celebrate about.

As modern men&women, we like to think we have transcended those artifacts of human ancestry ... just like we don't want to be considered close to the proverbial tribal Africans boiling white missionaries in a pot.

Cannibalism is not something we like to share among or between cultures. The Celts were the most treacherous and barbaric blood thirsty people of ALL TIME... they even defeated Rome; and were called "barbarians." That is not something you carry around as a badge of honour.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-03   20:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

The Celts were the most treacherous and barbaric blood thirsty people of ALL TIME... they even defeated Rome; and were called "barbarians." That is not something you carry around as a badge of honour.

I'd say defeating the most advance army of the day certainly IS honor material. Though I was unaware of the Celts doing so. The Scots certainly did, though perhaps they are a branch of the Celts.

As for the Celts being "the most treacherous and barbaric blood thirsty people of ALL TIME", I greet that description with a great amount of skepticism. There was plenty of nasty things going on all over the globe, and I'd wager that less than 10-20% of such savagery will every be known.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-10-03   21:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

As for the Celts being "the most treacherous and barbaric blood thirsty people of ALL TIME", I greet that description with a great amount of skepticism.

The Incas, the Mayans and the Aztec civilizations (which I assume you are studying to some extent) were infants to cannalbalism, headhunting and ceremonial sacrifice compared to the Celtics of Europe. Just one example:

Bones provide 'irrefutable evidence' that ancient Britons were cannibals

By David Keys, Archaeology Correspondent

Monday, 26 February 2001

Archaeologists have the first firm evidence that the Ancient Britons were cannibals. The discovery has immense implications for our understanding of ancient native religions.

Archaeologists have the first firm evidence that the Ancient Britons were cannibals. The discovery has immense implications for our understanding of ancient native religions.

Excavations in Gloucestershire are yielding up the shattered bones of human sacrificial victims, some of whom appear to have been partially devoured in cannibalistic rituals.

Discovered at the bottom of what, in ancient times, had been a 10-metre-deep natural pit, the human remains date from around the time of the Roman conquest of Britain and may have been deposited there by Celtic Druid priests as part of a mass sacrificial rite connected with armed opposition to the Roman invaders.

It is known from the writings of Julius Caesar that, in Celtic religion, victory in battle could only be guaranteed if human sacrifices were offered beforehand. For the gods to help the Celts in the taking of enemy life, they had to be offered sacrificial lives in exchange.

There are many examples of single human sacrifices having been carried out by Iron Age northern Europeans - including the Celts of Britain - but this is the first time that archaeologists in northern Europe have discovered what appears to be a mass human sacrifice from this period, and certainly the first one involving cannibalism.

So far the excavations in the ancient pit - directed by Mark Horton, reader in archaeology at the University of Bristol - have yielded the remains of seven human corpses, at least one of which appears to have been subjected to cannibalistic activity. But only 5 per cent of the bone deposit has so far been excavated and up to 40 more bodies probably still remain to be discovered.

Because healthy respected males were essential to military victory, the ancient Celts preferred to sacrifice criminals or cripples - and this practice is confirmed by some of the material excavated so far at the site, Alveston in south Gloucestershire. One individual probably suffered from Pagets disease while another appears to have been severely disabled.

"The evidence for cannibalism is irrefutable," said Dr Horton. Analytical work carried out at Bournemouth University for a special television programme being broadcast on Channel Four this Thursday, shows that one human femur had been split longitudinally - a practice that would only have been carried out if the people making the sacrifice wanted to extract human marrow.

Significantly, the human bones were intermingled with the remains of dogs. Indeed it is likely that these animals were sacrificed along with the humans, perhaps to accompany them to the land of the gods of death, the underworld. Dogs and pits in the ground were often associated in Celtic tradition with the land of the dead.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-03   21:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo, Pinguinite, turdle (#4)

they even defeated Rome; and were called "barbarians.

My Pictish ancestors were not exactly renowned for their sweet temperament and refined table manners.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-03   21:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)

My Pictish ancestors were not exactly renowned for their sweet temperament and refined table manners.

Having a human arm or leg or perhaps a breast from slaughtered rivals? HMMMM YUMMY! I wager they didn't have any Pace Picante or Teriyaki or even A-1 Sauces at hand.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-03   21:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#6)

Buck, if you think the Celts were the worst of all time because they were cannibals, then I can only say that you don't get out much.

The Indians of both North and South America were did a lot worse than that. N. American Indians were called "savages" in the DoI for a reason.

Here in the south, they did have much more advance construction, but as OI put it, their table manners here both between various tribes AND with the Spaniards (who themselves had their own brand of cruelty).

How about a few hundred Europeans captured by these indians with 2 or 3 sacrificed every day until they're all gone?

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-10-03   23:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#8) (Edited)

I wager they didn't have any Pace Picante or Teriyaki or even A-1 Sauces at hand.

Now that's what I call barbaric! The poor bastids (sic).

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-03   23:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#6)

Because healthy respected males were essential to military victory, the ancient Celts preferred to sacrifice criminals or cripples - and this practice is confirmed by some of the material excavated so far at the site, Alveston in south Gloucestershire. One individual probably suffered from Pagets disease while another appears to have been severely disabled.

An eminently eugenic practice then.

Hoo-rah!

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-10-04   0:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#6)

Because healthy respected males were essential to military victory, the ancient Celts preferred to sacrifice criminals or cripples

This is a good idea. All the politicians in the federal government would be sacrificed.

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Turtle  posted on  2010-10-04   10:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#9)

How about a few hundred Europeans captured by these indians [Mayans, Aztecs, Incas] with 2 or 3 sacrificed every day until they're all gone?

[buckeroo's quick comment: Europeans - the Celts comprised Portuguese and Spanish beyond Britain/Germany/France/Irish blood lines]

So, let's us see now .... Who won several hundred years ago about the conquest of the New World? Indians or Europeans?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-04   21:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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