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Title: Supreme Court grapples with NASA privacy questions
Source: news.yahoo.com
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101005 ... us_supreme_court_nasa_privacy;
Published: Oct 5, 2010
Author: Jesse J. Holland, Associated Press Write
Post Date: 2010-10-06 05:04:02 by GreyLmist
Keywords: Supreme Court, Privacy v. Security, Employment Clearances, Polygraphs
Views: 84
Comments: 1

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101005/ap_on_bi_ge/us_supreme_court_nasa_privacy; ... cnQ- [url too long for Source listing above without page width problem]

WASHINGTON – Weighing privacy vs. security after 9/11, the Supreme Court seemed unwilling Tuesday to stop federal investigations into the private lives of people who want to work at government installations — even those who don't have security clearances and don't work on secret projects.

The high court heard arguments from government contractors who work at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and are fighting the government's request that they submit to what they call intrusive background checks in order to keep their jobs.

The court's decision, expected later in the term, could have ramifications far beyond NASA. Neal Katyal, the acting solicitor general, told justices that the same questions the contractors were objecting to are also used to investigate full- and part-time government employees throughout the government.

"It's a big government," said Chief Justice John Roberts, who added that the government can't be expected to individualize background checks to avoid asking questions one person might find intrusive while another might not.

But with "low-risk or no-risk employees, the government doesn't need to know," said Dan Stormer, who represents 28 scientists and engineers who work at the 177-acre campus east of Los Angeles.

You don't know someone's a "low-risk employee until you find out what he or she is like or what the neighbor thinks," Roberts said. "Well, you know, he keeps practicing planting bombs or something. I mean, then he becomes a high-risk employee. You don't know until you get the information. That's the reason you ask for it."

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, or JPL, is NASA's premier robotics lab, famous for sending unmanned spacecraft to Mars and the outer solar system. Unlike other NASA research centers, it's run by the California Institute of Technology. Lab scientists, engineers and staff are Caltech employees, but the campus and its buildings are owned by NASA.

None of the JPL workers who sued work on classified projects or have security clearances, though several are involved in high-profile missions, including the twin Mars rovers and the Cassini spacecraft studying Saturn and its moons.

Employees said the agency was invading their privacy by requiring investigations that looked into their medical records and asked friends about their finances and sex lives. If the workers didn't agree to the checks, they were to be barred and fired.

The questions encroached on the employees' "liberty to control information about oneself ... without government intrusion," Stormer said.

In addition, Stormer insisted that JPL has a college-campus atmosphere, with access granted to outsiders with a simple telephone call from inside the facility to the security gate.

"Does al-Qaida know that?" Justice Antonin Scalia asked.

The government has been doing background checks on all civil service employees since 1953 and for contractors since 2005, Katyal said.

In 2007, NASA extended background checks for federal employees to its contract workers in response to a presidential directive that ordered government agencies to tighten security at facilities and computer systems by issuing new identification badges for millions of civil servants and contractors.

This directive was part of the government's response to the al-Qaida terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, that killed thousands of Americans in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

A federal judge originally refused to stop NASA's background checks while the lawsuit made its way through the courts. He was overturned by the San Francisco-based appeals court.

Katyal argued that the JPL security badges are more valuable than Stormer portrayed, because they allow badge holders access to other NASA facilities and can even allow those workers to come within 10 feet of the space shuttle while it is being repaired.

Justices were concerned about how far the government's investigations can go. Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked if genetic makeup was fair game, and Justice Samuel Alito brought up diets and sexual practices.

"You would say there is no right of any kind for a citizen to tell the government: That is none of your business," Roberts said. "The government will decide that it can ask anything of a citizen, so long as you don't disclose it?"

Not "in the employment-proprietor context," said Katyal, who assured justices that privacy laws prevent the government from revealing the information collected.

"There is no decision thus far that has recognized any constitutional limit on the government's collection of information, so long as there are accompanying safeguards on the dissemination," Katyal said.

He also said the government cannot ask so specifically about sexual and other practices that it infringes on an employee's constitutional rights. "If the government were collecting information, Justice Alito, on sexual practices of its employees, it may burden the exercise of other rights," Katyal said.

But sometimes, open-ended questions are needed to ensure that the person is suitable for the job, Katyal said. "That's how law clerks are hired, how baristas at Starbucks are hired," Katyal said.

And "we do have a legislature that can place limits on what the government can ask," Scalia added.

The contractors pointed to a chart that showed up on NASA's website about the criteria for employment decisions. Some of the factors that showed up on that chart to be considered in deciding whether to hire someone included carnal knowledge, sodomy, indecent exposure, homosexuality, cohabitation, adultery and illegitimate children.

Katyal, when asked about the chart by justices, said "NASA does not and will not use" that chart when it comes to making employment decisions.

Justice Elena Kagan recused herself from this case because she worked on it as solicitor general before joining the high court.

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The case is NASA v. Nelson, 09-530.


Poster Comment:

Related 4um posts at the 9/11 topic "What We Saw [video]" on the subject of polygraphs:

Post #20 by HOUNDDAWG with links to polygraph info and statements at AntiPolygraph.org

Excerpt from Post #23 by me: this is a disturbing example, imo: The polygraph community recently pressured the governor of California into vetoing a bill passed by the state assembly and senate that would have required all polygraph examinations to be videotaped. How many professions exist with such power to affect one's life where the way the job is conducted is free from external scrutiny? [end excerpt]

On further thought, videotapes of polygraph Inquisitions could possibly be used to blackmail people so that might be one reason the bill was vetoed. However, who polices the polygraphers? Will post some comments on the news article next.

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Some randomized comments at the article site:

"WHY ARE THEY GRAPPLING WITH THIS they let crminals traitors donate as much money to right wing campaigns to buy our country and destroy the middle class"

"What ever's best for Big Business!! *the gavel falls* Next case!"

"it is us the people you are to protect not the government that acts as if it was given a right by the people to invade their privacy. Apparently, the people have spoken, and said stay out of our private lives. Surely you can determine that they are suitable employees without having to pry so deeply that it violates the constitution of the United States..and if you can't to bad...the Constitution is reigns surpream..so deal with it!"

"I would like working at the JPL - and I wouldn't mind them checking all different things - yet I would like to know what they find because I do not have anything to hide and what false information is out there on me I do not know."

"JPL has been hacked a few times. Problem is, they were hacked as a Gateways to connected government sites. So, who cares about security..."

"Having worked for defence contractor, and having to go through the security clearence process, companies are finding it more difficult to find qualified people who can standup to a complete security investigation. I might also mention it is quite expensive."

"make the employment inquiries so intrusive and difficult that no one will be eligible to get gov't job. it would be a blessing in disguise. smaller gov't - now."

"I've worked for NASA for over 20 yrs. I had to submit to this foolishness too. It is just a waste of tax dollars. I asked them if they thought I'd spent 20 yrs. looking for the right target. The silly thing is that they ask you to tell them who to talk to. If I am a terrorist, am I going to direct you to people that think I'm dangerous? This is just a waste of time. They even wanted to know if you had been arrested (but not convicted) of a crime. If you are not convicted, is relevant? But don't feel too bad. I did it all on the clock. Stupid government."

"I also worked at NASA and left to pursue better employment. The questions they mandated investigated mental health and potential drug use for 7 years prior to this. I didn't have to bother with it because I already had a high level security clearance. The general investigation they are talking about are for low level or low risk positions. These investigations are very expensive, appear to be needless, and if there is a mistake on the forms, the employee is in danger of being prosecuted for federal perjury or in danger of being black mailed for something that would affect their employment before. Stop the growth of big government!"

"You know if your an actual rocket scientist, you wont put up with all the invasive questions and will drop your quest to work for NASA and find a better job, perhaps overseas where a foreign country with a space program probably wont ask you so many questions."

"Now here is the double talk from the Department of Justice: 'There is no support for respondents' speculation that the government will use the background-check process to pry into their private lives.'

If medical records, finances and drug history are not private, is anything private? For example, just what medical records are relevant to employment? Is there a 'probable cause?'

Can the federal government investigate your records without a probable cause?"

"In 1993, applying for a DOE clearance, I had to provide the names and last know addresses of every person, living or now dead, "with whom I had ever shared affection, no matter how briefly." That could be an intrusive question"

"The reason many of these questions are asked is becuase it has been proven that certain life styles do make people prone to intemidaition allowing them to be black mailed. If you can black mail someone then you can get them to do things they would not normally do. Some of those things have changed over the years as attitudes have changed but many still exist. Having financial problems is still an issue as would be anti goverment politics. It makes perfect since that a contractor for the goverment would be subject to the same back bround checks that regular employees are subject too. As a contractor you are imployeed by the goverment. I would have issue with a janitor not being required to have these checks much more a engineer. If you can get on a goverment facilaty you are one step closer to information and equipment that is clasified. No place is perfectly secure so keeping those who should not be around certain things at a distance is the first line of defence."

"Uh....this isn't private industry. It's government work. Security clearances require investigations. If your job suddenly requires a clearance - be grateful if they let you work while you are being investigated. You are always free to leave and get a job that doesn't require a clearance."

"First, you get sick.

Then, your credit is ruined paying for the bills.

After that, you a serf, unable to work b/c of background checks that say you're a deadbeat. College, etc., was all for nothing.

This is just an extension of that. Get ready, one way or another, they'll find an excuse to lower your wages, or bump people into lesser jobs."

"It would be ok as long as they only check white, Anglo WWII vets."

"Nothing Top Secret About Our Program. We Trained Russians & Others Here..!"

"This is where Communism started!"

"They could ask why some Propulsion Engineers sabotaged the new Gravity Control and Propulsion System that wouldl have kept Nasa and the USA on top .Ask why these people should have a Golden Handshake for betraying the USA's Space Program."

"They built all those spy satellites and never worried about privacy issues. Karma is a bi+(h"

"Why is it that everyones life is an open book except Obamas. Becouse he's an illegal alien"

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

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