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Title: 13 charged over Mass in Saudi hotel
Source: Scotsman
URL Source: http://www.scotsman.com/world/13-charged-over-Mass-in.6569142.jp
Published: Oct 7, 2010
Author: Souhail Karam
Post Date: 2010-10-07 15:08:12 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 218
Comments: 10

13 charged over Mass in Saudi hotel

Published Date: 07 October 2010

By Souhail Karam

Thirteen Filipinos have been charged with proselytising in Saudi Arabia after being arrested during a private Roman Catholic Mass celebrated in a Riyadh hotel last week, a Saudi newspaper has said.

The Filipinos, one of whom is a Catholic priest, were briefly detained for organising the service raided by the Muslim kingdom's ultra-conservative religious police, Arab News said.

About 150 expatriates attended the Mass, the newspaper said.

They (the 13] were charged with proselytising," it quoted the Philippine Embassy's chargé d'affaires in Riyadh as saying. They were later released on bail, the paper added.

Saudi Arabia, home to Islam's holiest sites, applies an austere form of Sunni Islam that confines any form of non-Muslim worship to the privacy of homes. Christians often hold services in hotel conference rooms.

Ibrahim al-Mugaiteb, head of the independent Saudi Human Rights First Society, said the overall situation for Christians had improved since King Abdullah took office in 2005. "The fact that they were only briefly detained shows a change," he said.

Converting Muslims is a crime in Saudi Arabia punishable by death, although such verdicts have rarely been handed out by Saudi courts, which are controlled by Muslim clerics.

The world's top oil exporter is home to several million expatriates, many non-Muslims.


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shouldn't it be considered a human rights violation that huge numbers of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia, Abu Dubai and Qutar would like to practice their faith, but face government restrictions?

The Washington government should not worry about Saudi Arabia doing this. We should let them and not threaten them over it. We should live and let live. But we shouldn't trade with them over this and let them know that we'll resume trade when they resolve to change.

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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-07   15:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

I don't seriously think our government will shut off trade to Saudi Arabia. I was just saying that we should do that. and it would not be difficult for us to do that. Oil is available from other sources. and oil sources can be expanded. There were oil industry reports years ago that Afghanistan and Somalia both have lots of oil. but today there's no oil pumped in those countries. Saudi Arabia has a special place in this world as the biggest oil supplier. They export like crazy, they wish very badly to preserve this special place. and they require that all of their oil be sold for dollars only as a result of this desire they have.

and if we were to cut off trade with them over this, within a short period they'd reverse on policy and we could go back to buying their oil

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-07   15:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#2)

and they require that all of their oil be sold for dollars only as a result of this desire they have.

Actually, we told them that they would denominate their oil sales in USDs or we wouldn't insure that the "Royal Family" was not overthrown.

Saddam's denominating in Euros was what got his country invaded.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-07   15:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#3)

exactly. which shows that money is the central priority of the people who rule us. Freedom of religion means nothing to them. If our government were to stand up for the freedom of religion principal, then we would not trade with a countries that arrests its people for holding a church service. People will say that these 13 Fillipinos are not Saudi. Saudi Arabia has millions of foreigners in their country to do work. Their government has an obligation to treat them decently. Arresting them for their religious practices, especially christianity, we should view as being beyond the pale and simply not trade with them.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-07   20:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Red Jones (#4)

Yes, most all the serious money-men are non-religious money whores.

Mammon is their god.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-07   21:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Red Jones (#2)

I don't seriously think our government will shut off trade to Saudi Arabia. I was just saying that we should do that. and it would not be difficult for us to do that. Oil is available from other sources.

No, they won't shut off the oil trade, though I agree with you that we should.

The country with the largest hydrocarbon reserves in the world is - the United States. You can look that up.

The Saudis are in a bind here, which we have little sympathy for but should regard with pause. It says in the Koran that "There shall be no two religions in Al Jazeera." (Meaning the Arabian Peninsula.) Ask someone here on this forum to abandon the First or Second Amendment. The Koran means as much to them as the Constitution means to us.

I for one would be very happy if we would abandon the cares and entanglements to others and produced our own energy and whatever else we needed for ourselves. This sort of crap would no longer be our concern.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-07   21:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge, 4 (#6)

I for one would be very happy if we would abandon the cares and entanglements to others and produced our own energy and whatever else we needed for ourselves. This sort of crap would no longer be our concern.

That, my friend, makes way, way, way too much good sense.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-07   22:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod (#7)

I pray that Americans can face the storm that is coming and do so with Common Sense.

That's how we got our start.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-07   22:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#8)

I pray that Americans can face the storm that is coming and do so with Common Sense.

That's how we got our start.

You're correct, of course.

But common sense seems to be in short supply these days.

We are living in the most interesting of all times. imo

Lod  posted on  2010-10-07   22:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#6)

I for one would be very happy if we would abandon the cares and entanglements to others and produced our own energy and whatever else we needed for ourselves. This sort of crap would no longer be our concern.

that is exactly correct. there is no substitute for producing ourselves. So many Americans are brainwashed to think we must import so much, cannot produce for ourselves, etc.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-07   22:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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