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Title: Byteshredder really screwed up Bill D Berger's post
Source: libertypost
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=296736&Disp=All
Published: Oct 7, 2010
Author: Bill D Berger
Post Date: 2010-10-07 16:16:41 by Itistoolate
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Views: 542
Comments: 49

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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Makes me glad I got banned from that sewer for telling the truth.

Buttshredder is nothing more than disinformation, and Bill D. Berger's comment that Buttshredder was intentionally trying to foul the the thread is correct. That is exactly what he was trying to do - make the the thread unreadable by posting tons of disformation strawman arguments.

Of course Buttshredder has no intelligence so he has to let Feral Government/Israeli Phlogs (Phoney Blogs) do his thinking for him. Not that he is really capable of thinking.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-07   16:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Byteshredder is a Republican butt-licker named Cash Wakefield. I believe he is either from Oklahoma or Kansas, but I may be misremembering that. Back when Moldi-Box still pretended she was against the Republicrat party and believed in small government she booted his ass off of LP for his stupid pictures and sickening dry-humping of anything Republican. His original handle slips my mind at the moment. I believe began with an A but I can't remember it.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-07   16:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

If you want to get the full flavor of his "wit", assuming he still has it, he runs a website called Conservababes.com

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-07   16:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

he runs a website called Conservababes.com

That's right. I had forgotten about that. There was another poster from LP that was part of that site too IIRC. It was some female. A real "dumb blond" type. Maybe it was his wife. I can't remember her name either.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-07   16:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, ferret (#2)

"Byteshredder....His original handle slips my mind at the moment. I believe began with an A but I can't remember it."

ALS ?

Big Meanie  posted on  2010-10-07   21:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent, Itistoolate (#1)


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-07   21:20:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: farmfriend (#6)

LOL

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-10-07   21:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

Charity?

christine  posted on  2010-10-07   21:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#8)

LOL!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-07   22:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

The CB website is too lame for words.

Gak.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-07   22:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itistoolate, Bill D Berger (#0)

pearls before swine

christine  posted on  2010-10-07   22:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#11)

Emphasis on the swine.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-07   22:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

That's right. I had forgotten about that. There was another poster from LP that was part of that site too IIRC. It was some female. A real "dumb blond" type. Maybe it was his wife. I can't remember her name either.

Green Eyed Blonde?

Obnoxicated  posted on  2010-10-07   23:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Big Meanie (#5)

ALS ?

Yes. That was him.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-08   13:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#8)

Charity?

Could be. I don't remember.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-08   13:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod (#10)

The CB website is too lame for words.

Gak.

Agreed.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-08   13:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Obnoxicated (#13)

Green Eyed Blonde?

Could be. I don't remember

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-08   13:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#1)

I got banned from that sewer for telling the truth.

The truth is not in you. Your holy book the Koran commands you to lie. You muslims are full of shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-09   12:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone, Original_Intent (#18) (Edited)

The truth is not in you. Your holy book the Koran commands you to lie. You muslims are full of shit.

I see you are back, bringing your own unique brand of Christianity with you - bearing false witness, spreading the hate of Jesus.

You are a credit to your religion. Jesus will be very happy with you.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-09   12:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

The truth is not in you.

That's pretty funny coming from the the owner of Klown Posse II.

Brian D  posted on  2010-10-09   13:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Swine, A K A Ghoul, A K A Stone, A K A Old Fiend, A K A Mephistopheles, A K A Old Nick, A K A Beezlebub, A K A Prince of Darkness, A K A Lucifer, A K A Scion of Evil, F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#18)

I got banned from that sewer for telling the truth.

The truth is not in you. Your holy book the Koran commands you to lie. You muslims are full of shit.

LOL! I take it everyone in the world who does not slobberingly worship your graven image or golden calf is a muslim?

You must cringe in constant fear walking through the grocery store surrounded by muslims.

LOOK OUT!

There's one at your window now.

However, the nice men in their clean white coats are coming to take you away Ha, ha ...

You'll love the flowers and trees and pretty birds, and hopefully no more than 99% of the staff will be muslims.

After all anyone who objects to mass murder, the use of white phosphorous on non-combatants, including children, the poisoning of wells, torture, indiscriminate air raids and bombings MUST be a muslim.

You are a Gut liddle Zionist.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-09   13:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#18) (Edited)

And here are a few of yourrrrr favorite things.

Nazi Germany 1940 on the left and Israel/Palestine 2009 on the right:



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ImageHost.org

ImageHost.org

ImageHost.org

ImageHost.org
Isn't that just so sweet?

ImageHost.org

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-09   13:21:42 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Why did you muslims side with the nazis during ww2?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-09   18:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#21)

LOL! I take it everyone in the world who does not slobberingly worship your graven image or golden calf is a muslim?

No but you have shown yourself to be a proud muslim.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-09   18:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone, Original_Intent (#24)

No but you have shown yourself to be a proud muslim.

You think OI is Muslim? LOL now that is funny.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-09   18:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Brian D (#20)

Oh another muslim that wants to kill Jews. Your book the Koran is inferior to the Bible. In fact the Koran is only good to wipe your ass on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-09   19:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Why do you call people "muslims" when not a peep has ever been suggested by those same people?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-09   19:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)

only good to wipe your ass on.

Your posts and commentary aren't even good enough for that. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-09   19:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: abraxas, A K A Stone (#28)

A K A Stone is a flamer. He can't articulate or elucidate much more than some one-line insult; clearly, he intends to create a sense of rage; his own website is proof in the pudding, to use an old cliché.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-09   19:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

In fact the Koran is only good to wipe your ass on.

That's true, but for cleaning up those REALLY hard to clean turds, nothing beats the bible.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-09   21:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Flintlock (#30)

EEEEEEEK! You, you, you blasfeemer you! Jeebus & SkyGhost is gonna smite thee!

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-10-09   21:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Esso (#31) (Edited)

You, you, you blasfeemer you!

ODIN!!!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-09   22:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Flintlock (#30)

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-10   9:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#27)

Why do you call people "muslims" when not a peep has ever been suggested by those same people?

Sure they have. Go back and read their posts. All they talk is Jihad against Israel. They are muslims. No doubt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-10   9:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: farmfriend (#25)

You think OI is Muslim? LOL now that is funny.

You sound like a muslim too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-10   9:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#27)

Why do you call people "muslims"

Why bother to even ask? The answer you get will only be more of the same.

The world we live in is more than black and white or even shades of gray. Our universe is full of color and nuance, and a man needs freedom of spirit to even begin to make sense of it all.

We're dogged by klowns with blinders on who are happy to march lock step and jack boot into the next misadventure in Southwest Asia shouting their primitive pejoratives.

They'll drag us with them into hell.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-10   11:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: randge (#36)

amen

christine  posted on  2010-10-10   11:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#33) (Edited)

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

Hey stonie.

Yawn.....was that supposed to scare me?

ROTFLMAO

Heysus is a fraud and the adherents of Christyinsanity are misguided fools & suckers.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-10   11:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone, Original_Intent, buckeroo, Lod, abraxas, Armadillo (#35)

You sound like a muslim too.

See now you are just being ridiculous. Unlike OI, I have posted my views on God and I have also posted the fact that my husband is Jewish. But hey, don't let that stop you from believing whatever you want.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   11:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine, AKA Stone (#37)

I hope you realize that this guy is just trolling. He's not here to discuss or debate anything. Not only that, but if people did what he is doing on his own site, he would have booted them off ages ago.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-10   11:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: farmfriend, A K A Stone, A K A Slime, A K A Beezlebub, A K A Ghoul, buckeroo, Lod, abraxas, Armadillo (#39)

You sound like a muslim too.

See now you are just being ridiculous. Unlike OI, I have posted my views on God and I have also posted the fact that my husband is Jewish. But hey, don't let that stop you from believing whatever you want.

A K A Slime/Quisling/Traitor is just having a snit because his one true God Israel is being shown to be the little Nazi State it is.

It has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the evil and barbaric behavior of the genocidal Shittylittlestan. Combined with his apparent treasonous support of Shittylittlestan and trying to replay the same series of implausible excuses as to why Israel attacked a U.S. flagged ship killing 34 American Sailors in International Waters he has shown himself an enemy of decency and honor.

His unwillingness to look at and acknowledge that the nexus of much of the horror of barbarity and mass killing can be laid at the feet of his Golden Calf simply further demonstrates that despite all pretensions to the contrary in the final analysis he is not a godly man (the ability to quote Scripture is mere mouthings when actions show show where a heart lies) and would rather believe a lie in the face of explicit contradictory evidence than side against evil.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   11:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: farmfriend (#39)

I didn't say you are a muslim. Original headshot is a muslim. You just sound like one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-10   12:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Flickscock (#38)

You are such a homo fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-10-10   12:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#22)

To: A K A Stone

And here are a few of yourrrrr favorite things.

Nazi Germany 1940 on the left and Israel/Palestine 2009 on the right:

Pictures worth a thousand words.

I was searching the scepterofjudah site for the page that has the British, Israeli, and American [CorpUSA] flags at the top of the page. While I did not find that particular one yet, I ran across this one that I had never seen before:

Scepter of Judah Events Gaza 2009 www.scepterofjudah.net/SJEvents/Gaza2009.html

Un-freaking believable how delusional and nasty they are.

To see children suffering from the consequences of war causes us to suffer vicariously for them. But our enemies have brought this upon their own children; Hamas and the jihadists are the actual cause of their children's sufferings. For the suffering of jihad's children, all the more a justification for the comprehensive elimination of the enemy

Hamas, the best "enemy" money can buy:

Israeli Roots of Hamas Are Being Exposed

This article appears in the January 18, 2002 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. Israeli Roots of Hamas Are Being Exposed by Dean Andromidas

Speaking in Jerusalem Dec. 20, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer made the connection between the growth of the Islamic fundamentalist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Israel's promotion of the Islamic movement as a counter to the Palestinian nationalist movement. Kurtzer's comments come very close to EIR's own presentation of the evidence of Israel's instrumental role in establishing Hamas, and its ongoing control of that organization.

Kurtzer said that the growth of the Islamic movement in the Palestinian territories in recent decades—"with the tacit support of Israel"—was "not totally unrelated" to the emergence of Hamas and Islamic Jihad and their terrorist attacks against Israel. Kurtzer explained that during the 1980s, when the Islamic movement began to flourish in the West Bank and Gaza, "Israel perceived it to be better to have people turning toward religion rather than toward a nationalistic cause [the Palestinian Liberation Organization—ed.]." It therefore did little to stop the flow of money to mosques and other religious institutions, rather than to schools.

According to the Dec. 21 Israeli daily Ha'aretz, Kurtzer made these extraordinary statements at a seminar on religion and politics sponsored by Oz V'Shalom-Netivot Shalom, a largely Anglo-American organization that promotes peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Rabbi Dr. Aharon Lichtenstein, the head of Har Etzion Yeshiva in Alon Shvut, who is an active advocate of a just regional peace, also spoke. Kurtzer said that as a result of the growth of Islam at the expense of education, there are now Palestinians who are "determined terrorists that use religious beliefs in a perverted way to appeal to the masses."

Kurtzer said that cultural and religious interaction is potentially a way to "build bridges." But instead, "the perverted use of religion in the region is today becoming one of the great challenges for the years ahead." He said that there is no "inherent component" in Islam that advocates violence. But one of the five principles of Islam, jihad—resistance—"in classic religious associations connotes religious belief and fervor, not violence." But extremists have distorted the meaning of jihad, so it now has a connotation of violence in the service of a religious purpose. The Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend

This statement is extraordinary given the fact that Kurtzer is a very senior diplomat, having held the post of Ambassador to Egypt just prior to going on to Tel Aviv. He is also an Orthodox Jew who is not shy of criticizing the extreme anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic views held by certain Arab circles. But Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon rarely grants the United States' highest representative in Israel an official audience.

The ambassador's comments are an acknowledgment of what any serious Middle East observers knows: Hamas has always been seen as a tool by which Israel could undermine the nationalist movement led by Palestinian Authority President and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Chairman Yasser Arafat. Similar statements by Arafat have been dismissed by Israel as "cranky" propaganda. In an interview with the Dec. 11 Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Arafat said, "We are doing everything to stop the violence. But Hamas is a creature of Israel which at the time of Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Shamir [the late 1980s, when Hamas arose], gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques. Even [former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin ended up admitting it, when I charged him with it, in the presence of [Egpytian President Hosni] Mubarak."

To the Italian daily L'Espresso, Arafat laid out the reasons for this support. "Hamas was constituted with the support of Israel. The aim was to create an organization antagonistic to the PLO. They received financing and training from Israel. They have continued to benefit from permits and authorizations, while we have been limited, even to build a tomato factory. Rabin himself defined it as a fatal error. Some collaborationists of Israel are involved in these [terror] attacks," he said. "We have proof, and we are placing it at the disposal of the Italian government."

On one level the support for Hamas is simply the application of the old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Indeed, in the minds of crude Israeli ultra-nationalists and fascists such as Sharon and his faction, this is indeed the case. Sharon is not interested in peace and therefore is not concerned that the violence and needless deaths of Israelis and Palestinians continue. In the Jan. 3 Ha'aretz, Yossi Sarid, chairman of the Meretz party, wrote, "What does frighten Sharon ... is any prospect or sign of calm or moderation. If the situation were to calm down and stabilize, Sharon would have to return to the negotiating table and, in the wake of pressure from within and without, he would have to raise serious proposals for an agreement. This moment terrifies Sharon and he wants to put it off for as long as he possibly can." In contrast, Sarid said that Sharon understands "that the terrorists and those who give them asylum are not the real enemies. Instead, the real enemies are the moderates.... You fight terrorists—a pretty simple operation—but you must talk with moderates, and this is a very tricky, if not dangerous, business."

More important for the survival of not only the Palestinian people, but especially Israel itself, is the dangerous role of the puppetmasters outside the region, who are manipulating both sides of this deadly game as part of their own demonic plans to spread the policy of a "clash of civilizations." In this regard, Sharon, and his "Greater Israel" policy, is just as much a puppet as the Palestinian, strapped with explosives, who blows himself up at an Israeli bus station.

Two Decades of Undermining Arafat

Given the level of control that the Israeli intelligence services such as the Shin Bet and Mossad have been able to exert over the Palestinian territories during the last 35 years of Israeli occupation, the capability to manipulate militant and violent organizations, such as those associated with Hamas, should not surprise anyone familiar with intelligence and even routine police operations. This should be obvious, considering that Israel has routinely recruited thousands of collaborators and provocateurs among the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have passed through Israeli prisons in over 35 years of its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Most convincing is a comparison of the development of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and their antecedents, and the growing national and international legitimacy of the PLO and its undisputed leader, Arafat.

Hamas is an acronym for Harafat al-Muqawama Al-Islamiyya, or Islamic Resistance Movement. Its spiritual leader is Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, who, despite his fiery anti-Israeli sermons, has had an unusual relationship with the Israeli authorities. In 1973, Yassin established the Islamic Association—at a time when it was Israeli policy to promote what Ambassador Kurtzer refers to as the "Islamic movement."

One might ask: Why should Israel promote an Islamic movement which later turns around and attacks it? How could the Israeli secret services be taken in by a Yassin? They weren't. The simple fact is, that the stated policy of Hamas is simply the flip side of Sharon's "Greater Israel" policy that refuses to seek a territorial compromise. The Hamas charter in 1988 stated, "The land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations, and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it.... Peace initiatives, the so-called peace initiatives, are all contraray to the beliefs of Hamas, for renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion." In this rhetoric there is no room for a state of Israel—as there is none for a state of Palestine in Sharon's "Greater Israel."

Israel's Hamas relations intensified after the Arab League, in 1974, decided to recognize Arafat and the PLO as the representatives of the Palestinian people—in effect, a government in exile. By 1979, top Yassin acquired an official permit from the Israeli government of Prime Minister Menachem Begin. This coincided with the signing of the Camp David peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. That treaty embodied detailed clauses calling for the establishment of a Palestinian Authority in the Occupied Territories, which would be the precursor for the Israeli withdrawal and the establishment of a Palestinian state. Gen. Ariel Sharon has been the chief proponent since this treaty was signed, of the policy of ensuring that these clauses would never be implemented. His chosen alternatives were war in Lebanon and the expansion of the Jewish settlements in the Occupied Territories. Sharon was helped by the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat by Anglo-American-controlled, Egypt-based Islamic terrorists. `Policy of Strengthening Islamic Bodies'

Israeli toleration, if not initial sponsorship of the Islamic movement, has been acknowledged and well documented in Israeli sources. In 1997, the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies, at Tel Aviv University, published a study, "Hamas: Radical Islam In A National Struggle," authored by Anat Kurz and Nahman Tal. It stated that the Islamic Association, "the platform of which contained no nationalist clauses, obtained a permit from the Israeli Civil Administration in 1979 to conduct its activities. The permit was apparently consistent with the Israeli policy of strengthening Islamic bodies as a counterweight to Palestinian nationalist groups."

The rapid expansion of the Islamic Association led to clashes on the Palestinian University campuses in the Occupied Territories in the 1980s, betwen PLO-affiliated students and those associated with the Islamists. This expansion was aided by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, where Sharon hoped to solve the "Palestinian problem" by militarily crushing the PLO—which was then based in Lebanon—and by carrying out genocide against the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in impoverished refugee camps in Lebanon. Despite his orchestration of the massacre of thousands of Palestinians, including women and children, at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps, Sharon failed to eliminate Arafat. Nonetheless, Arafat and the PLO were exiled to Tunisia, their influence severely weakened.

Sheikh Yassin, along with other Hamas leaders, was arrested in 1984, after it was discovered that the Islamic Association had maintained arms caches. But the organization was not banned. In fact, Yassin was soon released as part of an unprecedented prisoner exchange between Israel and Ahmed Jabril's PFLP-General Command. This deal, made with one of the most violent of all anti-PLO Palestinian groups at the time, was made in a period when the Mossad was busy assassinating the most moderate of PLO leaders.

Then, in 1988, the Islamic Association created Hamas as a direct alternative to the PLO, which had launched the first Intifada the year before. 1988 was also important because the PLO, at the 19th Conference of the Palestinian National Council in Algeria in 1988, accepted the United Nations Security Council resolution of 1947 calling for two states in Palestine. They also called for convening an international peace conference based on UN Resolutions 242 and 338, which established the land-for-peace concept. This was a de facto recognition of Israel by the PLO and Arafat. By the end of 1988, the Reagan Administration extended official recognition to the PLO as the official representative of the Palestinian people.

When Palestinian leader Abu Jihad began negotiating with Hamas, in an attempt to win its mass base over to the new policy, he was promptly assassinated by the Mossad.

Yassin, as all senior leaders of Hamas, is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the far-flung international Islamic organization with operations throughout the Islamic world. In the past, Anglo-American factions have not hesitated to manipulate the Brotherhood's various factions to destabilize secular Arab regimes. When Zbigniew Brzezinski launched the Afghan war against Russia in the 1980s, many of the Arab mujahideen fighters were recruited through Muslim Brotherhood-linked networks. The Muslim Brotherhood story fills volumes; the crucial point here is that Hamas, one of its branches, has traditionally stood in opposition to the secular nationalism of Arafat, the PLO, and its supporting governments.

Hamas has a peculiar organizational structure which contrasts sharply with that of the PLO. While within the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas exists as a broad political movement, its militant wings, the Izza-Din Al Qassam and Islamic Jihad, split-offs from the organization, are administered totally separately. These latter organizations, which are responsible for the attacks, are under the control of leaders who operate from abroad. Their offices are in London, where the group's magazine, Falatin Al Muslimah, is based; Jordan; Syria; and the United States, particularly in Virginia and Texas. Although Arafat has periodically tried to bring the popular base of Hamas into the Palestinian fold, the foreign-based military leadership has always opposed him.

This bifurcation dovetails with Sharon's strategy of launching brutal attacks against Hamas targets, in order to elicit the equally brutal response from Islamic Jihad and the Izza-Din Al Qassam. Thus Arafat, and diplomatic goals, are undermined, and the fires of civil war within the Occupied Territories are stoked. The Anti-Oslo Terror Campaign Begins

The Oslo Accords marked the first glimmer of hope for a resolution of the Middle East conflict. And, the first suicide terrorist attack aimed at destroying it was not launched by Hamas or Islamic Jihad or another Palestinian faction. The first suicide attack was launched on Feb. 25, 1994, by Israeli terrorist Baruch Goldstein, when he entered the Mosque of Hebron and killed 50 Muslim worshippers as well as himself. Goldstein was a member of Kach, the terrorist organization founded by the late Meir Kahane, who also founded the Jewish Defense League in the 1960s in the United States. Kach, which is well connected to Sharon, is on the official U.S. State Department list of terrorist organizations.

The unprecedented massacre was calculated to set the stage for a suicide bombing campaign by Hamas and its split-off, Islamic Jihad, over the next year. In fact, it set into motion the "cycle of violence" that has yet to end. The Goldstein attack came at precisely the point when Israeli Prime Minister Rabin and Arafat began the formal implementation of the Oslo agreement which envisioned the establishment of a Palestinian state by 1998. The first Hamas-linked suicide attacks did not start until two months later, in April 1994, when Rabin and Arafat signed the agreement for the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority. The agreement called for the conduct of free elections throughout the territories—which would eventually establish the international legitimacy of the Arafat-led government.

But despite this terror campaign, which lasted for months under a massive crackdown by Arafat's security forces, the Rabin-Arafat alliance, although seriously weakened, was not broken. This alliance was finally broken with Rabin's assassination by an Israeli, on Nov. 5, 1995.

The next phase of attacks followed the "targetted assassination" of Hamas bomb-maker Yahya Ayyash on Jan. 5, 1996. Although said to be "revenge attacks," they were in fact part of Hamas' campaign to get Benjamin Netanyahu elected Israeli prime minister. This was admitted by Ibraham Ghawshah, Hamas' official spokesman resident in Amman, Jordan. He said that it was part of their strategy to influence Israeli public opinon to bring down the entire Oslo process. The election of Netanyahu indeed fulfilled all their hopes, especially after he launched his own provocations, which not only brought about the pre-calculated Hamas response, but also brought the region several times to the brink of war.

This tit-for-tat campaign reached the height of insanity when Netanyahu, under the direction of Sharon, who was a member of his government at the time, launched a Mossad assassination attempt in 1997 against the Jordan-based Hamas official Khalid Mishaal. Not only did the attempt fail, but it led to Israel agreeing to release Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Yassin from an Israeli jail, where he had been under arrest since 1989. Yassin was allowed to return to Gaza to rally Hamas against the Oslo process in general, and Arafat in particular.

This pattern has continued to this very day. Netanyahu's downfall in 1999 led to the short-lived government of Ehud Barak, who despite much talking and negotiating, furthered the Oslo process not one iota. By the end of the Summer of 2000, the stage was set for Sharon's ultimate provocation, his Sept. 28 march on to the Islamic holy site Al-Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.

Since coming to power, Sharon has done everything to ensure the collapse of Arafat and the Palestinian Authority. If successful, it would either bring Hamas to power or lead to political chaos within the terrorities.

www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-10   12:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone, farmfriend (#42)

You just sound like one.

Since you have NEVER in all your life met or spoken to an actual Muslim, you're woefully underqualified to make any determination as to what one sounds like.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-10   12:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#43)

You are such a homo fool.

You're projecting again

AND

You're still a prime example that the problem with Christyinsanity is that the majority of it's adherents are idiots.

But look at the bright side.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-10-10   13:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)

Thank you for posting. I did learn a couple of new things that I did not already know. Particularly the reason Israel created Hamas. I knew previously that Hamas was a creation of Shin Bet, but I did not know exactly why. However, to increase radicalization and to sabotage the peace process by creating a hard line "unreasonable" opposition makes sense given Israel's geopolitical goal of establishing Eretz Y'srael.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   23:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#17)

You may not remember, but Green Eyed Blonde was a male poster posing as a woman at FR who got outted.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2010-10-11   18:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Obnoxicated (#48)

You may not remember, but Green Eyed Blonde was a male poster posing as a woman at FR who got outted.

LOL! No, somehow I missed out on that drama.

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Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-11   23:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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