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Title: The Coming Middle-Class Anarchy (Strong Language)
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URL Source: http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/201 ... ming-middle-class-anarchy.html
Published: Oct 7, 2010
Author: Gonzalo Lira
Post Date: 2010-10-07 18:28:03 by Horse
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Views: 446
Comments: 27

True story: A retired couple I know, Brian and Ilsa, own a home in the Southwest. It’s a pretty house, right on the manicured golf course of their gated community (they’re crazy about golf).

The only problem is, they bought the house near the top of the market in 2005, and now find themselves underwater.

They’ve never missed a mortgage payment—Brian and Ilsa are the kind upright, not to say uptight 60-ish white semi-upper-middle-class couple who follow every rule, fill out every form, comply with every norm. In short, they are the backbone of America.

Even after the Global Financial Crisis had seriously hurt their retirement nest egg—and therefore their monthly income—and even fully aware that they would probably not live to see their house regain the value it has lost since they bought it, they kept up the mortgage payments. The idea of them strategically defaulting is as absurd as them sprouting wings.

When HAMP—the Home Affordable Modification Program—was unveiled, they applied, because they qualified: Every single one of the conditions applied to them, so there was no question that they would be approved—at least in theory.

Applying for HAMP was quite a struggle: Go here, go there, talk to this person, that person, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. “It’s like they didn’t want us to qualify,” Ilsa told me, as she recounted their mind-numbing travails.

It was a months-long struggle—but finally, they were approved for HAMP: Their mortgage period was extended, and the interest rate was lowered. Even though their home was still underwater, and even though they still owed the same principal to their bank, Brian and Ilsa were very happy: Their mortgage payments had gone down by 40%. This was equivalent to about 15% of their retirement income. So of course they were happy.

However, three months later, out of the blue, they got a letter from their bank, Wells Fargo: It said that, after further review, Brian and Ilsa had in fact not qualified for HAMP. Therefore, their mortgage would go back to the old rate. Not only that, they now owed the difference for the three months when they had paid the lowered mortgage—and to add insult to injury, they were assessed a “penalty for non-payment”.

Brian and Ilsa were furious—a fury which soon turned to dour depression: They tried contacting Wells Fargo, to straighten this out. Of course, they were given the run-around once again.

They kept insisting that they qualified—they qualified! But of course, that didn’t help at all—like a football, they were punted around the inner working of the Mortgage Mess, with no answers and no accountability.

Finally, exhausted, Brian and Ilsa sat down, looked at the last letter—which had no signature, and no contact name or number—and wondered what to do.

On television, the news was talking about “robo-signatures” and “foreclosure mills”, and rank illegalities—illegalities which it seemed everyone was getting away with. To top it off, foreclosures have been suspended by the largest of the banks for 90 days—which to Brian and Ilsa meant that people who weren’t paying their mortgages got to live rent free for another quarter, while they were being squeezed out of a stimulus program that had been designed—tailor made—precisely for them.

Brian and Ilsa are salt-of-the-earth people: They put four kids through college, they always paid their taxes. The last time Brian broke the law was in 1998: An illegal U-turn on a suburban street.

“We’ve done everything right, we’ve always paid on time, and this program is supposed to help us,” said Brian. “We follow the rules—but people who bought homes they couldn’t afford get to squat in those McMansions rent free. It would have been smarter if we’d been crooks.”

Now, up to this point, this is just another sob story of the Mortgage Mess—and as sob stories go, up to this point, it’s no big deal.

But here’s where the story gets ominous—here’s where the Jaws soundtrack kicks in:

Brian and Ilsa—the nice upper-middle-class retired couple, who always follow the rules, and never ever break the law—who don’t even cheat on their golf scores—even when they’re playing alone (“Because if you cheat at golf, you’re only cheating yourself”)—have decided to give their bank the middle finger.

They have essentially said, Fuckit.

They haven’t defaulted—not yet. They’re paying the lower mortgage rate. That they’re making payments is because of Brian: He is insisting that they pay something—Ilsa is of the opinion that they should forget about paying the mortgage at all.

“We follow the rules, and look where that’s gotten us?” she says, furious and depressed. “Nowhere. They run us around, like lab rats in a cage. This HAMP business was supposed to help us. I bet the bank went along with the program for three months, so that they could tell the government that they had complied—and when the government got off their backs, they turned around and raised the mortgage back up again!”

“And charged us a penalty,” Brian chimes in. The non-payment penalty was only $84—but it might as well been $84 million, for all the outrage they feel. “A penalty for non-payment!”

Nevertheless, Brian is insisting that they continue paying the mortgage—albeit the lower monthly payment—because he’s still under the atavistic sway of his law-abiding-ness.

But Ilsa is quietly, constantly insisting that they stop paying the mortgage altogether: “Everybody else is doing it—so why shouldn’t we?”

A terrible sentence, when a law-abiding citizen speaks it: Everybody else is doing it—so why don’t we?

I’m like Wayne Gretsky: I don’t concern myself with where the puck has been—I look for where the puck is going to be.

Right now, people are having a little hissy-fit over the robo-signing scandal, and the double-booking scandal (where the same mortgage was signed over to two different bonds), and the little fights between junior tranches and senior tranches and the servicer, in the MBS mess.

But none of that shit is important.

What’s really important is Brian and Ilsa: What’s really important is that law-abiding middle-class citizens are deciding that playing by the rules is nothing but a sucker’s game.

Just like the poker player who’s been fleeced by all the other players, and gets one mean attitude once he finally wakes up to the con? I’m betting that more and more of the solid American middle-class will begin saying what Brian and Ilsa said: Fuckit.

Fuck the rules. Fuck playing the game the banksters want you to play. Fuck being the good citizen. Fuck filling out every form, fuck paying every tax. Fuck the government, fuck the banks who own them. Fuck the free-loaders, living rent-free while we pay. Fuck the legal process, a game which only works if you’ve got the money to pay for the parasite lawyers. Fuck being a chump. Fuck being a stooge. Fuck trying to do the right thing—what good does that get you? What good is coming your way?

Fuckit.

When the backbone of a country starts thinking that laws and rules are not worth following, it’s just a hop, skip and a jump to anarchy.

TV has given us the illusion that anarchy is people rioting in the streets, smashing car windows and looting every store in sight. But there’s also the polite, quiet, far deadlier anarchy of the core citizenry—the upright citizenry—throwing in the towel and deciding it’s just not worth it anymore.

If a big enough proportion of the populace—not even a majority, just a largish chunk—decides that it’s just not worth following the rules anymore, then that society’s days are numbered: Not even a police-state with an armed Marine at every corner with Shoot-to-Kill orders can stop such middle-class anarchy.

Brian and Ilsa are such anarchists—grey-haired, well-dressed, golf-loving, well-to-do, exceedingly polite anarchists: But anarchists nevertheless. They are not important, or powerful, or influential: They are average—that’s why they’re so deadly: Their numbers are millions. And they are slowly, painfully coming to the conclusion that it’s just not worth it anymore.

Once enough of these J. Crew Anarchists decide they no longer give a fuck, it’s over for America—because they are America.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Fuck the rules. Fuck playing the game the banksters want you to play. Fuck being the good citizen. Fuck filling out every form, fuck paying every tax. Fuck the government, fuck the banks who own them. Fuck the free-loaders, living rent-free while we pay. Fuck the legal process, a game which only works if you’ve got the money to pay for the parasite lawyers. Fuck being a chump. Fuck being a stooge. Fuck trying to do the right thing—what good does that get you? What good is coming your way?

Fuckit.

Sombody should point out to Brian and Ilsa all the jews who never serve one hour of jail time when they abscond with millions of $$$ from investors, that'll push them right over the edge for good.

X-15  posted on  2010-10-07   18:35:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#1)

But what about Romans 13?

Brian and Ilsa are uh goin' tuh HAY-ELLLLLL tuh BURNNNN in duh FAHR FUH-EVAH! Puh-RAISE JEBUS!

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-07   18:53:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PSUSA, X-15 (#3)

But what about Romans 13?

Here are two schools of thought.

"....secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.

God said there are powers not ordained by Him at Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

God didn't put them in power over the righteous. That's Satan's idea. The righteous don't need worldly, filthy authorities, which are no authorities at all. Do you think that they can instruct the righteous? They themselves steal. They themselves are perverts. And they presume to instruct the righteous? I don't think so.

Secular Governments Persecuted Paul

Paul being lowered in a basket Apostle Paul had many troubles with worldly rulers. He was given 39 stripes five times by the Jews, beaten with rods three times, in perils by his own countrymen and by the heathen, and frequently in prison. (See 2 Corinthians 11:23-26). In Damascus the governor kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desiring to apprehend Paul. "And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands," wrote Paul at 2 Corinthians 11:32. That is the same Paul that wrote Romans 13. He was forced to flee from the civil authorities, those "powers that be" that people say are ordained of God. Sorry folks, this does not compute. When Paul says, "the powers that be," he is saying the powers that be powers, are ordained of God. In other words, the only true powers are those that God ordains.

The crux of the matter is this, Does Paul in Romans 13:1-7 argue that the civil government of this world has legitimate authority over the people of God? We believe that the obedient, called-out people of God are not bound to obey manmade civil governments. God's people are answerable to God above all else and are bound by His commands. At the same time, God's people are not to use their liberty as a cloak to do evil, to foment rebellion or waste time trying to influence the politics of the governments of this world. Furthermore, we believe Paul in Romans 13:1-7 is referring to the spiritual leaders of the Body of Christ, not the civil authorities of this world.

If Paul is saying, "Obey the civil authorities," then he has a conflict in his life. Is Paul promoting Caesar or separating from Caesar? If Paul is promoting Caesar, there is no way I want Paul in my Bible. He can't work for Caesar and Jesus Christ. Caesar already has his writings, they are called "revised statutes" or the "law of the land." You can have them if you want. I would rather have God's Word. Actually that which is called the "law of the land," is the law of the devil. The term is used in the U.S. Constitution, where men claim that their laws are the supreme law of the land (See U.S. Constitution, Article VI).

Supreme Law of the Land

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Matthew 22:36-40). Do you know what that represents to a Christian? These two commands are the Supreme Law of the Land. If you believe that something else is the supreme law of the land for a Christian, someone has deceived you. It was a thief who drew you away from the true Supreme Law of the Land (see John 10:8).

If you have the two great commandments, how much allegiance do you have left for the worldly rulers of this dark age? Let me tell you, you have ZERO allegiance to Satan and his agents. All your time is spent "loving God" and "loving neighbor," and there is no room left over for obeying Satan and his minions.

And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 1 John 5:19......"

http://www.embassyofheaven.com/newslett/news9901/news9901.htm

Second school of thought:

"....4. What about Romans 13?

Your first question is likely to be: "But what about Romans 13?"

Romans 13 is the most disastrously misinterpreted Biblical text in the history of Western Civilization. Romans 13 says "the powers" are "ordained" by God. As Calvinists we believe everything is "ordained" by God, including the demonic "powers," of whom the Apostle Paul says we are to "wrestle against" (Eph. 6:12). God "ordains" evil, and the State is the institutionalization of evil. Christians are not to resist evil by fighting evil with evil. This is the message of Romans 12. Not only are Christians not to resist evil in the form of an isolated bully, Christians are not to return evil to the greatest form of evil in the world: The State. This is the message of Romans 13. Here might be the first place for you to begin:

Vine & Fig Tree's Romans 13 Home Page

The most disastrously misunderstood Biblical text in history!

This question is often asked as a diversion or an excuse to avoid the responsibilities and duties of a Christian Anarchist (like forgiving enemies rather than declaring war on them). We don't want to have to take Christ's Sermon on the Mount "too literally," and we want to justify our vengeance against our enemies by saying "we must be practical," and we usually turn to Romans 13 to do that. Read the chapter in its context (Romans 12).

Romans 13 is no obstacle to Christian Anarchism. In fact, Romans 13 proves Christian Anarchism:

* Romans 13 says "the powers" are "ordained" by God.
* "Powers" are evil. Christians "wrestle against them."
* Not everything God ordains is good. God ordains evil. The State is evil. The State is God's judgment on archist disobedience.
Saddam Hussein does not bear weapons of mass destruction in vain. He is God's "minister." (Proverbs 21:1) Are you afraid of Saddam Hussein? Then you must be an archist (Romans 13:4).

* If you really want to obey Romans 13, pray to God; ask Him to make you an anarchist.

Do you really want to know what Romans 12 and 13 are about? Then see our Romans 13 Home Page

Christian Anarchism from Genesis to Revelation

The whole Bible teaches Christian Anarchism. From cover to cover. Most Christians are familiar with only a few passages in the Bible, those on "salvation," or maybe a few passages on "the rapture" or "the second coming." Most Christians have never read the history of the rise of the State or the idolatry and infanticide of the kings, and the Prophets who so thoroughly denounced them. The Bible Describes the Battle: Politics vs. Patriarchy

All human beings are created in families. Patriarchy is an inescapable concept. If the Christian pater does not train his family in the Ways of Peace, he will be oppressed by a “paternalistic” State. The Family is the basic social unit of a prosperous society.

Obedience through the Family eliminates tyranny, protects property.

The Institution called "The State" is unBiblical. It reflects rebellion against God's Law.

The whole history of man as recorded in the Bible is the history of sinful rebellion against society as created in the Garden of Eden, and the construction of institutions based on Humanistic power: coercion and violence. It is the history of Politics vs. Patriarchy.

God never commanded human beings to form a "state." The State was formed by rebels who wanted to seize the wealth of others rather than work for it or engage in peaceful trade......"

CRAIG for CONGRESS 2010
Missouri's 7th District, U.S. House of Representatives

kevincraig.us/anarchism.htm

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"The United States WILL be Abolished

UPDATE! President Bush has entered into an agreement with Mexican President Vicente Fox to merge the United States and Mexico into a new government, possibly called "The North American Union" or "The United States of North America." The Agreement is called "The Security and Prosperity Partnership." Read the incredible details here:

www.STOPtheSPP.US

The United States WILL be Abolished

THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE ABOLISHED

The only question is,

* WHO will abolish it? or perhaps stated another way
* WHAT will replace it?

Either THEY will abolish the U.S. on THEIR terms, for THEIR purposes,

or

WE will abolish the U.S. on OUR terms and for OUR purposes.

Who are "THEY?" Who are "WE?"

THEY are the most politically powerful people on earth. They hold the highest appointed positions in the Clinton -- and now the Bush -- Administrations.

WE are Bible-Believing Christians who believe in a Sovereign God.

http://thechristmasconspiracy.com/abolition.htm

".....Who Will Abolish America?

When you go to the polls in November, you will be voting on WHO will abolish America. Not whether America is abolished, but WHO will abolish America. That sounds radical, even crazy. You must learn the facts. You must become an informed voter. Click here for details about the plan to abolish America. If America's Founding Fathers were here today, they too would vote to abolish the United States.

* They took up arms against taxes which were only one-tenth as burdensome as today's taxes.

* They exercised their right to "alter or abolish" a tyrannical government that would never have dreamed of giving government grants to pornographers, abortion-providers, land-owners who won't grow anything for others, drug-users, and tens of thousands of "pork-barrel" projects -- in exchange for votes and other bribes given out by special interests.

Washington D.C. is the greatest threat on earth to the ideal of "Liberty Under God." The United States as we know it today -- the United States as created by the two-party monopoly over the last 100 years -- will be and must be abolished. The Republicans and Democrats are going to abolish the U.S.A. and replace it with more of the same: a regional mega-state, merging the United States and Mexico, and eventually all of North and South America. It will be called a "Free Trade" zone, but it will be a new government, with new courts, new legislative powers, and new executives, none of which will be "bound down by the chains of the Constitution." Did you click this link yet?

Imagine a "new" America where:

* You run a successful business without ever filling out a government form or wondering if you might be violating some senseless government regulation.

* You gain a profound sense of satisfaction by supporting valuable charities and investing in life-enhancing technologies, ever since your take-home pay increased by more than $15,000 a year when the Income Tax was abolished.

* The young college-aged clerk you hired can read complete sentences, do simple math, be trusted with company assets, and treat your customers with courtesy and respect.

* Children are taught in school that God says not to steal, not to kill, and not to rape, and that God has created all of us with unalienable rights.

You'll never ever know such an America if you keep voting for the same old politicians. Neither will your children.

Kevin Craig is the only candidate for Congress who knows that America's greatness depends on a simple formula. It's an idea so old it sounds radically new:

"Liberty, Under God"......"

kevincraig.us/anarchism.htm

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Ezekiel 17:1-6 [ http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 ]/John 15:1-2

Ezekiel 17:7-10 [ http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm ]/John 15:1-2/Matthew 15:13.

Don't slam me; I'm just the messenger, and trying to wrap my mind around it all. Whether you accept it or not is up to you.

Prophecy for the church [Israel www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html ] in America:

Ezekiel 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: 34And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. 36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: 38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel [kingdom of Heaven/Kingdom of God Matthew 13, Luke 13-ya have to be BORN AGAIN bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-50.htm / bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-9.htm ]: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. http://kingjbible.com/ezekiel/20.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-08   10:02:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

Here are two schools of thought. ...

... that are used to explain away a well-translated and plainly written chapter.

It says what it says. If you want to be a good little xtian, then you better be a damn good slave.

God said there are powers not ordained by Him at Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

So god is not all-powerful, all-knowing.

That's contradictory.

That's Satan's idea.

When all else fails, blame Satan. That's convenient.

.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-08   10:15:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#15)

So god is not all-powerful, all-knowing.

That's contradictory.

no; that's a faulty translation.

Also consider it might be a false dichotomy.

The best explanation I have seen is here: "What About this Old Testament 'Killer God'?"

"... How do we reconcile two such diametrically opposing characters (or so it seems) into one cohesive Loving God?

God has graciously given us a number of clues to answer this mystery, clues that we have read many times, but maybe have not completely understood. He does not explicitly explain each situation that may seem difficult to comprehend, but He has given us enough clues to allow us to understand the principles on which He acts.

Clue No. 1: Who hardened Pharaoh's heart?

God says, "I did it."

"And the Lord said to Moses, 'When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go." (Ex. 4:21)

God says, "Pharaoh did it."

"But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not heed them, as the Lord had said...But Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also; neither would he let the people go." (Ex. 8:15,32)...."

"...Look at Romans 1:18: "For the wrath (Greek word orge) of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold (suppress) the truth in unrighteousness." Then verses 24, 26 and 28 tell us how God demonstrates His wrath:

Verse 24: "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves."

Verse 26: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did change (exchange) the natural use into (for) that which is against nature."

Verse 28: "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate (debased) mind, to do those things which are not convenient (fitting)."

So we see that God's wrath is just giving us up to our own sinful ways to reap what we have sown. He doesn't punish us. He doesn't harm us in any way. He just let's us go the way we have chosen. We then punish ourselves by our wrong decisions. ...."

"...All through the Bible, we see that both God and Satan work through people. Jesus has told us to "Go into all the world, and make disciples out of all nations." Matt 28:19 We are to be Jesus' ambassadors, continuing the work He did when He was on earth. He wants to live in our hearts to make us like Him. But He will never force His way into our life. On the contrary, He "stands at the door and knocks" like a gentleman. If we let Him in, He will come in and fellowship with us, as a father does with his children.

Satan, the Adversary, on the other hand, is a liar and a murderer (John 8:44). He wants to control us completely and will use force to do it. He will use us for his plans, he may even "bless" us mightily with fame or fortune until he is finished with us, then his desire is to destroy us. He is the author of death, disease and destruction.

It is clear from many passages in the Bible that both God and Satan work through people. That is their modus operandi, their method of operation.

In addition, God says many times in the Bible, that He is the one Who is in control of EVERYTHING!

Eph 1:11 God "works ALL things after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL."

Eph 2:10 "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

The highest and most powerful of earth's leaders play the part that God assigns them, though they don't know it. It's recorded in the following texts.

Proverbs 21:1 "The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord as the rivers of water: He directs it wherever He pleases."...."

"...These, and many other texts, show clearly that GOD (and NOT man) IS IN CHARGE OF THIS WORLD and in charge of our lives.....

Another characteristic of God is that He has a Purpose and He has PLANNED EVERYTHING ('predestined' according to God's language) from the beginning.

The word predestination appears in the Bible FOUR times: Romans 8:29,30 and Eph 1:5, 11. I realize that word makes everyone nervous, but when you discover God's ultimate plan, you will find that word a great blessing.

Romans 8:28, 29,30 says: "And we know that ALL things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His PURPOSE...."

"....We human beings want what we want when we want it, but alas, we get what we get when we get it!

Back to the three illustrations. Pharaoh hardened his own heart. He made the decision not to let Israel go, but it was based on information and circumstances that he had little or no control over. The circumstances were dropped in his lap (the Playwright had written the action) and Pharaoh made the decision based on those circumstances.

King Saul had chosen to go his own way. He inquired of a sorcerer, a witch, about what would happen in battle. He KNEW that was wrong! He was the one who had made a national law against visiting sorcerers, yet he decided to visit one himself.

So, if God "wrote the play" and the actors are just playing their parts, can God judge Saul or Pharaoh for their actions? Absolutely. They both knew that their actions were wrong. They willfully made the wrong decision based on what they knew. Their own willful actions brought about their eventual outcome.

Now we understand that when God says HE DID IT, we know that the action was actually performed by people based on their own decisions. God "gives us up" to our own sinful ways to do what we desire, and we end up reaping what we have sown.

That's the answer to the Old Testament, supposedly, vengeful God. He doesn't do it, even though he takes credit for it. WE DO IT TO OURSELVES!

So, we have established that when God says He did it, WE actually are doing it to ourselves.

We will find that when He says Satan, the destroyer did it, again WE actually are doing it to ourselves.

It also is reasonable to assume that when God says" an Angel" did it, WE are really doing it to ourselves....." http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/otkillergod.htm

hope that helps.

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It is clear from many passages in the Bible that both God and Satan work through people. That is their modus operandi, their method of operation.

In addition, God says many times in the Bible, that He is the one Who is in control of EVERYTHING!

see:

Isaiah 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? [or] shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake [itself] against them that lift it up, [or] as if the staff should lift up [itself, as if it were] no wood.

bible.cc/isaiah/10-15.htm

I don't have all the answers. I'm studying the Vine and Fig Tree website and one other, and trying to reconcile them with scripture and reach some conclusions for myself. I just know there's a battle going on, and I know who wins [it isn't Satan].

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-08   12:43:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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