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Title: Situation in NH: Social workers seize newborn due to father's involvement with Oath Keepers
Source: Oath Keepers
URL Source: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10 ... eepers-new-born-from-hospital/
Published: Oct 8, 2010
Author: Oath Keepers
Post Date: 2010-10-08 01:12:53 by echo5sierra
Keywords: None
Views: 228
Comments: 14

Stewart has just now as of 7:45PM PST, spoken to the father and he is faxing documents to Stewart. We are establishing a legal defense fund. Once it is confirmed through documentation that the father’s association with Oath Keepers was listed as a reason, even if among several reasons listed, for taking the child, we will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress. We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law. Stewart, who has worked on several First Amendment cases in State and Federal court will also volunteer his services to assist in the case Pro Bono.

Here is Stewart’s statement for now:

We are doing all we can to confirm and document this. But if is IS accurate, and a newborn child was ripped from her mother’s arms because the parents were “associated” with Oath Keepers by simply being members of our online ning discussion forum, then this is a grave crossing of a very serious line, and is utterly intolerable. It cannot be done. It cannot be allowed to stand.

If it is true, then I will do all in my power to stop it. We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. There can be no freedom of speech, no freedom of association, no freedom to even open your mouth and “speak truth to power,” no freedom AT ALL, if your children can be black bagged and stolen from you because of your political speech and associations -- because you simply dare to express your love of country, and dare to express your solidarity and fellowship with other citizens and with active duty and retired military and police who simply pledge to honor their oath and obey the Constitution. It was to prevent just such outrageous content based persecution of political dissidents that our First Amendment was written.

If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence lists as the reasons for our forefathers taking up arms in our Revolution and for separating from England. We no longer have freedom at all if this is allowed to be done. And we will not let it stand.

Stewart Rhodes Founder of Oath Keepers

Stewart will post additional statements and info as this situation develops. Please be ready to flood the responsible parties with phone calls and emails to put public pressure on them in the court of public opinion.

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#1. To: echo5sierra (#0)

We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire

the Live Free or Die state...the Browns...now this (if true)

christine  posted on  2010-10-08   1:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: echo5sierra (#0)

If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence

It's hard for me to imagine the mentality of the "takers" of children. If this action was taken against this family without justification those responsible should pay a real price, not simply be sued.

Americans have contented themselves for far too long with working "within" the system. The CPS and Judicial systems are both broken beyond repair.

We will not see an end to this kidnapping until the cost of committing these intolerable acts is sufficient to deter the vampires and ghouls that claim immunity from prosection and get it.

Vigilante crews without any relationship to the ill affected families are going to be necessary if a real change is expected. Find out who the players are and implement the "new" rules.

Simply reduce the size of government.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them". Doug Scheidt, 10-5-10

noone222  posted on  2010-10-08   3:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: echo5sierra (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-08   8:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-08   8:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

The people of this country need to tighten up their relationships family and close friends so that they may be able to help each other get through the mess that's coming.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them". Doug Scheidt, 10-5-10

noone222  posted on  2010-10-08   13:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222 (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-08   13:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

I got all hot when I read this...then on WRH site I read the court filing to move venue to a different county. The court order makes several statements worth noting.

(1) The mother is in the process of a court hearing to remove her two older children for neglect. The hearing is over, but the judge has not rendered a verdict yet.

(2) Police and social workers have made numerous visits to the family home. Police visits are for domestic disturbances.

(3) Family court ordered Mr Irish to a, "Stop the Violence" class and he has not complied.

The order does mention his membership(actually not a member apparently) in the Oathkeepers movement.

The mention of the Oathkeepers was stupid and wrong, but there is obviously more to the story. Neglect of older siblings and probable domestic violence.

octavia  posted on  2010-10-08   15:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, 4 (#1)

The father was on AJ's program earlier, and he sounded stone-cold truthful to me.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-08   15:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: octavia (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-08   17:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: octavia (#7)

1) The mother is in the process of a court hearing to remove her two older children for neglect. The hearing is over, but the judge has not rendered a verdict yet.

Are the children still there ? Are they bruised ?

I do not trust the government or its courts/judges. There may or may not be more to it, but I've witnessed this crap 1st hand and recommend we demand facts first and deny innuendo.

It's gotten to the point where a heated discussion wherein someone raises their voice becomes a domestic violence "visit" ... lots of bullshit when the government needs money !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them". Doug Scheidt, 10-5-10

noone222  posted on  2010-10-09   7:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: echo5sierra (#0)

whenever this topic of cps comes up i tell the following story & ask the listener to finish it. i have never gotten a different reply. here goes: if, in 1850, a man on his ranch had some guy in a suit trespass and try to physically seize the family's kids... what would happen, to the man in the suit? i stop there. say no more, & The answer invariably involves the words pitchfork, buried behind the barn, shotgun, etc. so my next question is. what has changed in this world since 1850? why would any human accept a kidnap of their kid?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-09   10:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All, psusa, lod, reality check ping (#11)

ping to #11

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-09   10:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Artisan (#11)

Here is the reason. They didn't come for his daughter at the house. They got him outnumbered and unarmed in a hospital. If he had been armed, would it help our cause to have a shootout in a hospital? Think about it, a shootout in a maternity ward, with women and newborns all over the place?

I shudder to think about such a thing.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-10-09   11:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#12)

He qualified this with "if true". I'm betting that it's not true and that something else is going on here beneath the surface. This deserves a wait and see attitude, imo.

I've been skeptical of people using .orgs for their own purposes since the Casey Nethercott fiasco.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-09   15:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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