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Title: Tea Party Boils Over Proposed NYC Ban On Sugar Drinks
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URL Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2 ... posed-nyc-ban-on-sugar-drinks/
Published: Oct 9, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-10-09 21:19:52 by buckeroo
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You can just feel the pressure building inside the teapot. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages. The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor. Not surprisingly, those who warn of big government sticking its nose into every facet of our lives are going crazy. If bureaucrats can tell a segment of the population that they can’t drink soft drinks, what’s next? Is it only a matter of time until the government prohibits us from eating hamburgers and hot dogs? Will apple pie, a favorite desert loaded with unhealthy sugars, cease to be the symbol of good, old fashioned American values once the government puts pies and cakes on its hit list? While it is not difficult to see the point made by those in opposition to this sort of government interference and restriction, it would be wise for everyone to take a deep breath and gain a better understanding of what we are talking about before blowing our collective stacks. There is no question but that sugary soft drinks play a substantial role in our growing obesity problem, particularly among children. There is also little disagreement that obesity leads to increased cases of type II diabetes, heart disease and any number of illnesses that present as obese children grow into adulthood. We also know that for some of these children and adults, the medical treatment they will require to deal with these illnesses throughout their lives will be provided courtesy of state and federal safety net programs paid for with taxpayer money. That means that you and I will be paying not only for the care and treatment of the illnesses brought on by these poor nutritional habits for years to come, but are already paying for the very nutritional practices that bring on the disease in the first place. What we have here is one big exercise in enabling – and it simply doesn’t make sense. Still, there are those vigorously arguing that imposing this sort of restriction means that rich people are free to destroy their bodies however they choose while the poor would be denied the same right to do the same. I don’t think this is true. For starters, New York City would not be telling food stamp recipients that they are prohibited from enjoying a Coke and a smile. Rather, the city would be temporarily requiring that those receiving aid, at the pleasure and expense of the American taxpayer, pay for that Coke out of their own pocket rather than with the food stamps we provide them. There is a huge difference between telling Americans what they may eat and drink when they are spending their own money versus telling citizens they are free to destroy their health with their food choices when the taxpayer is picking up the tab for the menu. This is particularly true when beneficiaries of the government programs make nutritional choices that virtually guarantee that they will be repaying the favor by forcing the taxpayers to pick up even larger bills down the road for the expensive health problems their choices are likely to cause. However, such logic will not stop some from continuing to argue that if an American wants to drink paint and suffer the consequences, such behavior is both their prerogative and their right in a free country. Maybe. But while I can appreciate that one who chooses to buy a Twinkie with their hard earned cash doesn’t need me to put in my two cents as to the intelligence of such a decision, when that individual elects to accept food stamps, paid for and provided by the American taxpayer, a different sort of bargain is struck. It is no longer a matter of our sticking our nose into that individual’s business. It becomes a matter of our protecting our collective investment so that the money we have available to help out those in need can reach more people with similar needs. It is simply not reasonable for food stamp recipients to ignore the fact that allowing expenditures of the people’s money on food that we know is likely to create or contribute to expensive, lifelong illnesses- illnesses the public may well be responsible to pay for – takes away from our collective ability to help others in need. It’s selfish and it’s wrong. Shouldn’t these beneficiaries have the same concern for others who find themselves in a difficult economic situation that the rest of us express by providing our tax dollars to help them out in tough times? When people fail to behave in a mature and reasonable manner, reflective of the reality of their circumstances, is it really so wrong for the government to step in and require them to do so in order to protect the rest of the public who will suffer from the behavior of those who should know better? I don’t think so. And to all those whose immediate reaction is to cry foul, shouldn’t you consider the government’s obligation to protect our taxpayer money so that we get the biggest bang for each of our bucks? Government has a legitimate interest and obligation to protect our tax dollars. Further, taxpayers cannot shout about ‘big government’ wasting our money from one side of their collective mouth and then shout from the other when the government attempts to rein in behavior that does waste our money or, at least, fails to put it to its best use. A decent society has an obligation to do what it can for the least fortunate among us just as the least fortunate among us have an obligation to use good and mature judgment when accepting our contributions to their welfare. Government’s willingness to require the beneficiaries of our assistance to use those benefits in a way that will not contribute to even greater taxpayer expense only makes sense. Those on the right should not allow ideology to get in the way of allowing the government to do the smart thing. As for those on the left, we would do well to recall the old saying about not biting the hand that feeds you. It is fundamentally wrong for those accepting the help of the American public to pay it forward and back by ignoring proper nutrition, thereby causing the public that helps them to assume even larger expenses down the road. This is not a matter of of human dignity, respect or rights. It is a matter of a basic level of maturity that we have a right to expect.
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#81. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#79)
THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW! That could very well be part of the reason, besides the fact the Big Pharma and health industries would love to see a rash of new business. And oh yeah, if the hordes of people on food stamps in New York all start consuming Aspartame laced drinks due to not being able to purchase regular soft drinks, then we can expect the amount of federal money going to the New York Medicaid program to skyrocket. So much for "saving money".
The big picture is that for ever tax dollar you give the government, much of it goes to the military, intelligence and security agencies, Israel, the other myraid number of government agencies, and perhaps 5 cents or less to the poor.
That's what I'm getting out of this. They are demonizing soft drinks without targeting the real culprit. They have to show they are doing something. Case of trimming the bush so the whole tree doesn't die.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
And it tastes soooooo much better than that aspartame and hfcs $#it, doesn't it? It is simply amazing to me that Coke ever changed their formula (in America) to use that stuff when they actually use real sugar in other parts of the world. And for what, to save a penny on a can or bottle?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You got it, right.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Again, you got it right.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Just remember that when it comes time to collect Social Security. Make sure you burn your check, and also refuse that Medicare and pay your own medical bills. Yes, let's eliminate all entitlement programs for the poor, for our veterans, and for the elderly, just make sure we keep dishing out that tax money to the war machine and to our Israeli and corporate masters. You are part of the problem, since you can't tell the difference between necessary programs which cost nothing compared to the enourmous amount of waste and outright theft which takes the majority of our money. In fact, you want to start by eliminating that which is the only thing keeping those less fortunate people than you from starving to death and living in the gutters. If you were as adament about eliminating welfare for Israel, and reducing the enourmous amount of corruption and bloat in the US defense machine, then perhaps I'd see you were being consistant. But no, let's pick on the weakest members of society, yeah, that's the brave christian way to go.
More than likely to enrich the pharma and medical industries. I doubt the average share holder would know that, but obviously those at the top of the corporation (top share holders, board of directors) have to know, and they are probably the same people who OWN those big pharma and healthcare companies.
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i can sympathize with the soda junkies because that's pretty much my only vice. i love soda & drink at least a 32 oz dr pepper every day. i cut back sometimes, but it is difficult. but seeing as i dont smoke, drink, do dope, gamble, etc, its mild as vices go.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I have to admit, I miss my Pepsi. However, I cut it out because of the HFCS, and I am not sure I trust the throwback because they are likely using Beet Sugar which is now mostly GMO and requires additional production steps over Cane Sugar. That is why I like Jones Soda which uses pure cane sugar. It's also more expensive and hard to find in my preferred flavors - Cola and Lemon Lime. The Lemon Lime tastes like Sprite did before HFCS - a much cleaner taste. The Cola is more like the old RC Cola.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You may recall that Hershey moved much of their chocolate manufacturing to Mexico and the reason for this is it allows the company to avoid the crushing import duty on sugar. So, it's quite possible that Mexican Coke is made with sugar because A) it tastes better and Coke can market it there and here, and B) it's not cost prohibitive because the sugar import tax (intended to protect the same FL cane barons who spent 3 Meg to kill protectionist legislation to save The Everglades) doesn't apply to sugar imported to Mexico, and the finished product can be imported without penalty, just like Hershey's Kisses.
And it tastes soooooo much better than that aspartame and hfcs $#it, doesn't it? It is simply amazing to me that Coke ever changed their formula (in America) to use that stuff when they actually use real sugar in other parts of the world. And for what, to save a penny on a can or bottle? The import duty on sugar was substantial enough to get Hershey to move major chocolate production to Mexico. Of course this happened long after Coke had switched to fructose, so, I'm guessing that unlike old cane sugar money there are some well connected "new peepul" involved in the blossoming fructose industry, just as Donald Rumsfeld is connected to Aspartame. __________________ "Since 1980 in the U.S., Coke has been made with high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) as an ingredient. Originally it was used in combination with more expensive cane-sugar, but by late 1984 the formulation was sweetened entirely with HFCS. Some nutritionists caution against consumption of HFCS because it may aggravate obesity and type-2 diabetes more than cane sugar.[86] Also, a 2009 study found that almost half of tested samples of commercial HFCS contained mercury, a toxic substance.[87]"_wiki Mercury? *G_D help us all*
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It seems that way. First are the profits, then the medical windfall then the ultimate depopulation of worthless eaters. That's why I can only hope that Klaatu and GORT really do land and start kicking their elite, inbred asses right off this planet.
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Not that it amounted to all that much but that move to Mexico cost them my business. And some other people's too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. He's such a nice boy. Doggie noses up another nugget. Good doggie.
I stand corrected! ; ) The message was that we Earthlings were becoming a threat to lizards, greys, Dracos, etc., because of our trending toward gratuitous nuke use. As a kid the message seemed fine to me. And years later I learned that Japan was attempting to negotiate a surrender when we sent The Enola Gay and BOCKSCAR over to deliver Little Boy and Fat Man. The US wasn't going to bungle the opportunity to demo the weapon for The Ruskies (and SIZZLELEAN a 100k Japs at Ground Zero) or sign off on a costly obligatory rebuild treaty (as opposed to allowing American industries to make profitable inroads in the defeated nation, i.e. JVC, The Japanese Victor Company) so the message made even more sense. The real irony was that many of the same non-Christians (wink) who helped develop the bomb suddenly discovered that conscience forbade them to support the use of the weapon on any other nation but Germany. If by "liberal piece of trash movie" you mean that the film did not garner support from the MIC or the Dr.Strangeloves or the General Turgidsons in the Pentagon and the makers' wishful vision for the universe was a giant beatnik Marxist coffee house run by American POWs who defected during the Korean War, I'd say you're on solid ground.
My barber said the same thing about Hershey, and he no longer drinks Budweiser after it merged to become Anheuser-Busch InBev. It's a shame that congress is such a bordello of corporate whores because they could remove the incentive for corporate expatriation/ foreign mergers with the stroke of a quill. But, they're no more inclined toward protecting American jobs than they are preventing the gouging of our citizens who pay more for the same medicines than the subjects of any other country to which they are exported. I hate to think un-Christian thoughts but when it comes to congress I must say, I don't love them.
I don't believe I've bought a Bud since then either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Thanx, bg. It's reassuring that you noticed that I'm not just another irresistibly cute face. And, besides, I can't spend all my time eatin' catz!
Good. I used to drink it too, but I don't drink two beers/mixed drinks a year now so, I can feel good about the fact that we don't buy Bud/Michelob either. Remember New Coke? Well, what they never told us (but I cleverly deduced after speaking with recent Chinese immigrants in Los Angeles) was that in the giant market Coke was hoping to penetrate and dominate refrigeration is a luxury for the top five percentile, and (as the little Chinese folks told me) warm Coke tastes like medicine for stummy aches. But, NEW COKE was delicious after a hard day of backbreaking work in a rice paddy, foreign guano mine or govt weapons factory. And, if Coke had a lock on the Chinese market it would more than compensate for the anticipated loss of a few loyal customers in the West. So, Coke was betting that their loyal customers would grumble but most would accept the new formula as COKE stockholders built mountains of gold from the sale of New Coke to the ChiComs and other grass hut converts. One taste of New Coke at room temp would reveal that the formula was developed to appeal to folks who burn so much coal for cooking and heat that they're succumbing to mercury poisoning, and for who a single light bulb in a shack is "uptown". If only Americans were as touchy about corporate turncoats as they were about keeping phosphorus in their fave soft drink, the greedy bastards who are abandoning the nation that made their products household names wouldn't be so anxious to set up slave factories abroad. Perhaps they'd stay here and invest their energies in lowering taxes and govt spending and strengthening the American Shekel instead. Unfortunately these things don't excite corporate passions the way that union busting, undermining TITLE VII or filing SLAPP suits do. Govt types vote themselves pay raises so inflation is a private sector "disease", and corporate types offshore American jobs thinking they'll sell their imported goods to those who didn't get porked into permanent unemployment by their companies. Again I make with the irony but it seems that the only Americans who are inclined to boycott are those with no money because their former employers, many of which required specialized (and now useless) skills abandoned them.
Yes, I remember and I remember the uproar about it. Too bad the people didn't just boycott the company until the ptb decided that sugar wasn't all that expensive after all and started making Cokes with that instead of that damnable hfcs and aspartame.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Hell, back then people were indifferent unless drinks contained saccharin and "tasted funny". The "bladder cancer in rats" was a soon forgotten footnote because those who wanted to pay lip service to losing weight just had to have saccharin in their coffee to wash down their double slice of chocolate cherry cheesecake. So, it's quite understandable that health concerns about sweeteners aren't considered polite conversation today. Back then the only things that mattered were "is it less fattening" and does it taste good?", and old habits die....well, never. And "all sweeteners have risks" they tell us. "Even molasses can kill you," they are quick to remind us.
Sure, molasses can kill you if you eat enough of it. Water has been known to kill people who drank too much of it at one time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This was the same era of the Great Marijuana Scarcity. Dried flowers of the Cannabis plant had been an underground commodity for decades, but all the sudden was pulled from the market by some "unseen hand". Once supply caught up (LOL!) prices had tripled.
"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs
What's that? >(;^{]
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Botany is beautiful, man! "Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs
Oh, that's that ol' Mary G. Wanna, ahaha. Someone showed me a picture of it one time before, that's how I knew what it looked like.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That poor woman probably never understood why athletes take salt tabs or drink Gatorade when rehydrating, or that consuming too much water could cause her cells to lose electrolytes (even without voiding) causing the chemical electrical system to quit. Without salt molecules, primarily potassium the electrical ions cannot move or travel in our "brain batteries", the somatic nervous system and autonomic nervous system. And without electrical signals we're a dead bag of meat. You may recall I wrote a piece a while back explaining that pure water {H2O} will not conduct electricity, and electrically charged particles must hitch a ride on salt molecules when moving through solution. This is also the cause of the delirium tremens or "DTS", when alkies deplete their potassium from consuming booze and peeing away their brain salts then they lose their minds. Needless to say the radio station didn't take precautions while sponsoring a stupid and dangerous contest. This reminds me of the idiot who killed several people in a sweat lodge a while back. It never occurred to him or the radio stoopids to simply consult "Mr. Internet" before commencing their activities. Because stupid people don't know they're stupid they also don't know other things they don't know. Or, rather, they don't know that there are things the don't know they don't know.
Dried flowers of the Cannabis plant had been an underground commodity for decades, but all the sudden was pulled from the market by some "unseen hand". Once supply caught up (LOL!) prices had tripled. I remember that, too. A 4-finger bag of Thai stix or Vietnam Red was Ø300 and ten years later the rich Chinese kids were paying Ø1,000 for any primo smoke (anything but green or brown Mexican "doyt weed") and the rest of us just remembered when.....
thanks for the interesting info. i have seen a resurgence of sugar drinks even here in the u.s. i did not know that the 'real sugar' they tout can also be fake gmo sugar. i also have never heard of jones soda, will look it up.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 You are welcome. The GMO Sugar Beet story has been big around here, because of the protests by Organic Farmers fearing GMO contamination and thus making their crop unsalable as Organic, and local safe food activists. Also Jeffrey Smith who does a monthly guest spot on the Rense Program (he is an anti-gmo activist - see his book "Seeds of Deception") spoke about the issue either last month or the month before. It is interesting - there must be something about Pepsi that makes it physically addictive. The reason I say that is that I would "jones" for my Pepsi if I didn't get it. Well, I was able to pick up a couple of cases of Jones Soda at an advantageous price and after a month of it, I no longer craved Pepsi. I now drink only a small fraction of the soda I used to drink. There are other small label "microbrew" sodas that also use pure cane sugar. Generally if you read the ingredients list if they use cane sugar it will say "Cane Sugar" in in the ingredients list. If it just says sugar then it is likely Beet Sugar.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Kosher Coke and other products are likely available in New York city year round and po' folks have found that they taste better, and they're happy to pay a premium with "free gummint munny" for them. And, the increased demand is now inconveniencing and irritating some nize, Jewish peepul who shop at stores frequented by thoughtless, selfish Goyim who buy up beverages not intended for them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
You're completely lacking a view of the big picture here.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#84. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#65)
The generic term of "sugar soft drinks" includes the substitutes. As others have said, cigarettes, alcohol and "hard goods" products are already banned from these government sponsored programs.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#85. To: Original_Intent, All (#75)
#86. To: buckeroo (#76)
#87. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#79)
#88. To: FormerLurker, All (#80)
#89. To: FormerLurker (#83)
#90. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
I can buy sugar sweetened Coca Cola in the old 10 oz bottles (bottled in Mexico) at the local hardware store for Ø1.56 per bottle,
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#91. To: Eric Stratton, FormerLurker (#89)
At some point Lurker, if we're going to get through this, people are going to have to give up all of any notions of any money/subsistence/aid/retirement WHATSOEVER!!!
#92. To: buckeroo (#91)
#93. To: Eric Stratton (#92)
#94. To: Eric Stratton, buckeroo (#88)
I will never again in my life ask for a penny of Government assistance. If family or church wants to help if some need ever arises in the future, fine, but never ever the governments again, FedGov, State, or Local!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
It is simply amazing to me that Coke ever changed their formula (in America) to use that stuff when they actually use real sugar in other parts of the world. And for what, to save a penny on a can or bottle?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker (#94)
#97. To: buckeroo, original_intent (#74)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#98. To: Artisan (#97)
i can sympathize with the soda junkies because that's pretty much my only vice. i love soda & drink at least a 32 oz dr pepper every day. i cut back sometimes, but it is difficult. but seeing as i dont smoke, drink, do dope, gamble, etc, its mild as vices go.
#99. To: Eric Stratton (#87)
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Interestingly, check out some of the Mexican soda products, many are now made with HFCS.
#100. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
I can buy sugar sweetened Coca Cola in the old 10 oz bottles (bottled in Mexico) at the local hardware store for Ø1.56 per bottle,
#101. To: HOUNDDAWG (#100)
#102. To: Eric Stratton (#101)
All the pigs are connected to something.
#103. To: HOUNDDAWG (#102)
#104. To: HOUNDDAWG (#100)
The import duty on sugar was substantial enough to get Hershey to move major chocolate production to Mexico.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#105. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
Mayor Bloomberg is more than willing to take the necessary steps to keep Mrs. Goldblatt from having to travel all the way to the west side for her Kusha beverages.
#106. To: Eric Stratton (#103)
And what I used to think was a liberal piece of trash movie(s).
#107. To: James Deffenbach (#104)
Not that it amounted to all that much but that move to Mexico cost them my business. And some other people's too.
#108. To: HOUNDDAWG (#107)
My barber said the same thing about Hershey, and he no longer drinks Budweiser after it merged to become Anheuser-Busch InBev.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#109. To: bluegrass (#105)
Doggie noses up another nugget. Good doggie.
#110. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
I don't believe I've bought a Bud since then either.
#111. To: HOUNDDAWG (#110)
Remember New Coke?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#111)
Yes, I remember and I remember the uproar about it. Too bad the people didn't just boycott the company until the ptb decided that sugar wasn't all that expensive after all and started making Cokes with that instead of that damnable hfcs and aspartame.
#113. To: HOUNDDAWG (#112)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#114. To: HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach (#112)
(Edited)
Hell, back then people were indifferent unless drinks contained saccharin and "tasted funny".
#115. To: Dakmar (#114)
Dried flowers of the Cannabis plant
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#116. To: James Deffenbach (#115)
#117. To: Dakmar (#116)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#118. To: James Deffenbach (#113)
#119. To: Dakmar (#114)
This was the same era of the Great Marijuana Scarcity.
#120. To: Original_Intent (#98)
and I am not sure I trust the throwback because they are likely using Beet Sugar which is now mostly GMO and requires additional production steps over Cane Sugar. That is why I like Jones Soda which uses pure cane sugar. It's also more expensive and hard to find in my preferred flavors - Cola and Lemon Lime.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#121. To: Artisan (#120)
thanks for the interesting info. i have seen a resurgence of sugar drinks even here in the u.s. i did not know that the 'real sugar' they tout can also be fake gmo sugar. i also have never heard of jones soda, will look it up.
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