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Title: Tea Party Boils Over Proposed NYC Ban On Sugar Drinks
Source: Forbes
URL Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2 ... posed-nyc-ban-on-sugar-drinks/
Published: Oct 9, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-10-09 21:19:52 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 2129
Comments: 121

You can just feel the pressure building inside the teapot.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages.

The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor.

Not surprisingly, those who warn of big government sticking its nose into every facet of our lives are going crazy.

If bureaucrats can tell a segment of the population that they can’t drink soft drinks, what’s next? Is it only a matter of time until the government prohibits us from eating hamburgers and hot dogs? Will apple pie, a favorite desert loaded with unhealthy sugars, cease to be the symbol of good, old fashioned American values once the government puts pies and cakes on its hit list?

While it is not difficult to see the point made by those in opposition to this sort of government interference and restriction, it would be wise for everyone to take a deep breath and gain a better understanding of what we are talking about before blowing our collective stacks.

There is no question but that sugary soft drinks play a substantial role in our growing obesity problem, particularly among children. There is also little disagreement that obesity leads to increased cases of type II diabetes, heart disease and any number of illnesses that present as obese children grow into adulthood.

We also know that for some of these children and adults, the medical treatment they will require to deal with these illnesses throughout their lives will be provided courtesy of state and federal safety net programs paid for with taxpayer money.

That means that you and I will be paying not only for the care and treatment of the illnesses brought on by these poor nutritional habits for years to come, but are already paying for the very nutritional practices that bring on the disease in the first place.

What we have here is one big exercise in enabling – and it simply doesn’t make sense.

Still, there are those vigorously arguing that imposing this sort of restriction means that rich people are free to destroy their bodies however they choose while the poor would be denied the same right to do the same.

I don’t think this is true.

For starters, New York City would not be telling food stamp recipients that they are prohibited from enjoying a Coke and a smile. Rather, the city would be temporarily requiring that those receiving aid, at the pleasure and expense of the American taxpayer, pay for that Coke out of their own pocket rather than with the food stamps we provide them.

There is a huge difference between telling Americans what they may eat and drink when they are spending their own money versus telling citizens they are free to destroy their health with their food choices when the taxpayer is picking up the tab for the menu. This is particularly true when beneficiaries of the government programs make nutritional choices that virtually guarantee that they will be repaying the favor by forcing the taxpayers to pick up even larger bills down the road for the expensive health problems their choices are likely to cause.

However, such logic will not stop some from continuing to argue that if an American wants to drink paint and suffer the consequences, such behavior is both their prerogative and their right in a free country.

Maybe. But while I can appreciate that one who chooses to buy a Twinkie with their hard earned cash doesn’t need me to put in my two cents as to the intelligence of such a decision, when that individual elects to accept food stamps, paid for and provided by the American taxpayer, a different sort of bargain is struck.

It is no longer a matter of our sticking our nose into that individual’s business. It becomes a matter of our protecting our collective investment so that the money we have available to help out those in need can reach more people with similar needs.

It is simply not reasonable for food stamp recipients to ignore the fact that allowing expenditures of the people’s money on food that we know is likely to create or contribute to expensive, lifelong illnesses- illnesses the public may well be responsible to pay for – takes away from our collective ability to help others in need. It’s selfish and it’s wrong.

Shouldn’t these beneficiaries have the same concern for others who find themselves in a difficult economic situation that the rest of us express by providing our tax dollars to help them out in tough times?

When people fail to behave in a mature and reasonable manner, reflective of the reality of their circumstances, is it really so wrong for the government to step in and require them to do so in order to protect the rest of the public who will suffer from the behavior of those who should know better?

I don’t think so. And to all those whose immediate reaction is to cry foul, shouldn’t you consider the government’s obligation to protect our taxpayer money so that we get the biggest bang for each of our bucks?

Government has a legitimate interest and obligation to protect our tax dollars. Further, taxpayers cannot shout about ‘big government’ wasting our money from one side of their collective mouth and then shout from the other when the government attempts to rein in behavior that does waste our money or, at least, fails to put it to its best use.

A decent society has an obligation to do what it can for the least fortunate among us just as the least fortunate among us have an obligation to use good and mature judgment when accepting our contributions to their welfare. Government’s willingness to require the beneficiaries of our assistance to use those benefits in a way that will not contribute to even greater taxpayer expense only makes sense.

Those on the right should not allow ideology to get in the way of allowing the government to do the smart thing.

As for those on the left, we would do well to recall the old saying about not biting the hand that feeds you. It is fundamentally wrong for those accepting the help of the American public to pay it forward and back by ignoring proper nutrition, thereby causing the public that helps them to assume even larger expenses down the road.

This is not a matter of of human dignity, respect or rights. It is a matter of a basic level of maturity that we have a right to expect.

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#4. To: buckeroo (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-09   21:43:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

And hey, if you're going to have Uncle Sambo bail you out, then yeah, you may be under your master's rules!!! Otherwise get a fugging job, start a business, or otherwise get off your fat lazy ass and don't use FSs paid for by your neighbors and fellow citizens!!

Many people on food stamps ARE hard working moms and dads who are struggling to pay the rent, the utilites, keep up with the other bills, and keep enough gas in the car so that they can get to work.

For many people, their income has gone down while the cost of living has gone up. A lot of them have been laid off, their jobs sent overseas, or filled by those who come here to take jobs "Americans don't want to do", like software/electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, etc.

Of course there are the career welfare cases, but not everyone on FS fall into that category. Have you ever fallen on hard times yourself, or have you always been showered with money?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   0:42:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   0:54:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

Perhaps, but even so, purchases should be very limited. Anyone on food stamps that has enough money for crap food doesn't need food stamps, plain and simple!!

And who will be the judge and arbitrator of what constitutes junk? Myself, I'd make all foods containing HFCS, artificial food coloring, Aspartame, MSG, and other such toxins off limits.

Only food sweetened with natural sugar would be allowed, so that means 99% of the ketchup, barbeque sauce, frozen dinners, Hamburger Helper, soda, Ramen Noodles, and other such junk would be banned.

As far as food in general goes, all that would be left is generally beyond the reach of most people who are counting their pennies to see if they can afford a gallon of milk.

Quality food is expensive, where avoiding junk food is extremely hard to do on a limited budget.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   1:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   1:19:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#9)

I'd much rather see the FedGov helping out Americans in need than giving billions of dollars away each year to the likes of Israel and other countries which are attached to us like leeches.

I really don't give a shit what happens to Israelis, we need to worry about our own people before we can dole out billions of dollars each year to the filthy rich, be they foreign nations or corporate big shots.

We're arguing whether poor people should be allowed to drink Coca Cola, while we give Exxon, BP, and the filthest richest bastards on this planet billions of dollars each year, just because they demand it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   2:54:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   8:34:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

BTW, you don't think that the Coca-Cola company gets its share of "favors" from FedGov like the others you've cited? Come on now!

Of course they do. And the companies producing the high fructose corn syrup profit from not just Coca Cola, but virtually every soft drink, many juices, and condiments such as ketchup, sweet pickles, barbeque sauce, and other such things.

Even though there was no good reason to transition from natural sugar, other than the invalid premise that natural sugar is bad and artifical sweeteners are good, Americans have been forced to consume HFCS as there really aren't many other choices unless one buys nothing but all natural or organic versions of such items, which are not always easy to find and cost at least twice as much.

For a few months they had "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, where they were made with sugar instead of HFCS. They did cost the same, and tasted better, but were only on the shelves for a limited time.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   13:48:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

Don't know when the discussion turned to HFCS, but I think those are still available now in our area. Have been for a couple of months.

The original article is concerning how NY wants to ban any food that contains natural sugar. It didn't say they wanted to eliminate soda or other items which contain HFCS or Aspartame, in fact, it seems they're demanding that's what people consume.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   13:56:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Eric Stratton (#27)

To me the issue is about how other people use our money!

Yours and mine.

If the Government had its own money, then great. But it doesn't. Their money is our money.

Well I'd say we should start with eliminating the billions upon billions of dollars of welfare for Israel, and any other form of welfare we dish out to foreign nations.

Till then, I say allow the poor to buy Lay's potato chips if they so desire.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   14:22:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FormerLurker (#35)

Till then, I say allow the poor to buy Lay's potato chips if they so desire.

Under 0bamaCare their increased blood pressure, caused by excessive starch, sugars and salts creating high blood pressure, heart attacks, kidney failure and associated physical ailments are all covered.

Thanks a lot.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   14:27:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#38)

Under 0bamaCare their increased blood pressure, caused by excessive starch, sugars and salts creating high blood pressure, heart attacks, kidney failure and associated physical ailments are all covered.

Well if we stopped giving out welfare to Israel, and if we stopped greedy megacorporations from escaping the US tax system by moving their operations overseas, while at the same time employing slave labor and children as young as 8 or 10 years old, perhaps we'd be in better shape overall.

With more jobs here, there'd be less people forced to eat dirt cheap food, since they'd be gainfully employed rather than surviving on bare minimum, or less.

As far as Obamacare, I've never agreed with it. If waste and fraud (how much is it for an aspirin at a hospital, $30 or more a pill?) were eliminated or at least reduced, existing health care plans would cover what is necessary.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   14:44:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: FormerLurker (#40)

What you don't seem to realise by Bloomberg's request is that if certain people are under a welfare program by state administered funds such as the USDA Foodstamp program then the state has the power to enforce those same people on a strict diet; that is to say: the recipients must eat healthy using government funded mandates.

In California, apparently the foodstamp program is provided by periodic or otherwise renewed "debit cards"; and the abuse is rampant. Folks go to Hawaii, and use them, piles of folks goto LasVegas, NV and all kinds of other entertainment centers to use those same designed limited-use debit cards. These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility, as is obvious.

In this particular case, I agree with Bloomberg. If the welfare recipients don't like the rules for their support, they can get off the subsidy altogether and get their asses to work ... picking grapes, washing cars, mowing lawns ... whatever they can constructively do.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   14:57:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#44)

These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility

I appreciate that joke, buckeroo talking about people being irresponsible.

buckeroo's never been irresopnsible. the people who engaged in derivatives trade thus causing toxic assets and requiring billions or trillions in bailouts were not irresponsible. etc etc etc

our government spends a ton of money on people being irresopnsible. Being irresponsible is normal. why do you single out the poor in this concern of yours'?

maybe those people from California who spent their food stamp cards in Las Vegas or Hawaii were staying with relatives in those states.

Las Vegas has a ton of poor people in it who cannot find jobs. and for people who try to get jobs at casinos where union membership is required, they find that only mexicans are allowed to join the union.

so these jobs you speak of are not always available to the poor.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-10   15:12:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#52. To: Red Jones, buckeroo (#50)

I see lots of people on food stamps at the local store. They buy ice cream and candy on their food card, and at the same time buy cigarettes and beer with cash.

I asked one clerk how much of their business is food cards, and he said one- third.

Turtle  posted on  2010-10-10 15:15:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Red Jones (#50)

buckeroo (in post#44): In California, apparently the foodstamp program is provided by periodic or otherwise renewed "debit cards"; and the abuse is rampant. Folks go to Hawaii, and use them, piles of folks goto LasVegas, NV and all kinds of other entertainment centers to use those same designed limited-use debit cards. These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility, as is obvious.

Red Jones (in response): maybe those people from California who spent their food stamp cards in Las Vegas or Hawaii were staying with relatives in those states.

Las Vegas has a ton of poor people in it who cannot find jobs. and for people who try to get jobs at casinos where union membership is required, they find that only mexicans are allowed to join the union.

Learn to read. But it is interesting you like all your friends from South of the Border to invade America, illegally. Correct?

How much money do they receive in Arizona from US government give-aways because they have so-called anchor babies?

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