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Title: Tea Party Boils Over Proposed NYC Ban On Sugar Drinks
Source: Forbes
URL Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2 ... posed-nyc-ban-on-sugar-drinks/
Published: Oct 9, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-10-09 21:19:52 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 2050
Comments: 121

You can just feel the pressure building inside the teapot.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages.

The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor.

Not surprisingly, those who warn of big government sticking its nose into every facet of our lives are going crazy.

If bureaucrats can tell a segment of the population that they can’t drink soft drinks, what’s next? Is it only a matter of time until the government prohibits us from eating hamburgers and hot dogs? Will apple pie, a favorite desert loaded with unhealthy sugars, cease to be the symbol of good, old fashioned American values once the government puts pies and cakes on its hit list?

While it is not difficult to see the point made by those in opposition to this sort of government interference and restriction, it would be wise for everyone to take a deep breath and gain a better understanding of what we are talking about before blowing our collective stacks.

There is no question but that sugary soft drinks play a substantial role in our growing obesity problem, particularly among children. There is also little disagreement that obesity leads to increased cases of type II diabetes, heart disease and any number of illnesses that present as obese children grow into adulthood.

We also know that for some of these children and adults, the medical treatment they will require to deal with these illnesses throughout their lives will be provided courtesy of state and federal safety net programs paid for with taxpayer money.

That means that you and I will be paying not only for the care and treatment of the illnesses brought on by these poor nutritional habits for years to come, but are already paying for the very nutritional practices that bring on the disease in the first place.

What we have here is one big exercise in enabling – and it simply doesn’t make sense.

Still, there are those vigorously arguing that imposing this sort of restriction means that rich people are free to destroy their bodies however they choose while the poor would be denied the same right to do the same.

I don’t think this is true.

For starters, New York City would not be telling food stamp recipients that they are prohibited from enjoying a Coke and a smile. Rather, the city would be temporarily requiring that those receiving aid, at the pleasure and expense of the American taxpayer, pay for that Coke out of their own pocket rather than with the food stamps we provide them.

There is a huge difference between telling Americans what they may eat and drink when they are spending their own money versus telling citizens they are free to destroy their health with their food choices when the taxpayer is picking up the tab for the menu. This is particularly true when beneficiaries of the government programs make nutritional choices that virtually guarantee that they will be repaying the favor by forcing the taxpayers to pick up even larger bills down the road for the expensive health problems their choices are likely to cause.

However, such logic will not stop some from continuing to argue that if an American wants to drink paint and suffer the consequences, such behavior is both their prerogative and their right in a free country.

Maybe. But while I can appreciate that one who chooses to buy a Twinkie with their hard earned cash doesn’t need me to put in my two cents as to the intelligence of such a decision, when that individual elects to accept food stamps, paid for and provided by the American taxpayer, a different sort of bargain is struck.

It is no longer a matter of our sticking our nose into that individual’s business. It becomes a matter of our protecting our collective investment so that the money we have available to help out those in need can reach more people with similar needs.

It is simply not reasonable for food stamp recipients to ignore the fact that allowing expenditures of the people’s money on food that we know is likely to create or contribute to expensive, lifelong illnesses- illnesses the public may well be responsible to pay for – takes away from our collective ability to help others in need. It’s selfish and it’s wrong.

Shouldn’t these beneficiaries have the same concern for others who find themselves in a difficult economic situation that the rest of us express by providing our tax dollars to help them out in tough times?

When people fail to behave in a mature and reasonable manner, reflective of the reality of their circumstances, is it really so wrong for the government to step in and require them to do so in order to protect the rest of the public who will suffer from the behavior of those who should know better?

I don’t think so. And to all those whose immediate reaction is to cry foul, shouldn’t you consider the government’s obligation to protect our taxpayer money so that we get the biggest bang for each of our bucks?

Government has a legitimate interest and obligation to protect our tax dollars. Further, taxpayers cannot shout about ‘big government’ wasting our money from one side of their collective mouth and then shout from the other when the government attempts to rein in behavior that does waste our money or, at least, fails to put it to its best use.

A decent society has an obligation to do what it can for the least fortunate among us just as the least fortunate among us have an obligation to use good and mature judgment when accepting our contributions to their welfare. Government’s willingness to require the beneficiaries of our assistance to use those benefits in a way that will not contribute to even greater taxpayer expense only makes sense.

Those on the right should not allow ideology to get in the way of allowing the government to do the smart thing.

As for those on the left, we would do well to recall the old saying about not biting the hand that feeds you. It is fundamentally wrong for those accepting the help of the American public to pay it forward and back by ignoring proper nutrition, thereby causing the public that helps them to assume even larger expenses down the road.

This is not a matter of of human dignity, respect or rights. It is a matter of a basic level of maturity that we have a right to expect.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-09   21:43:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

And hey, if you're going to have Uncle Sambo bail you out, then yeah, you may be under your master's rules!!! Otherwise get a fugging job, start a business, or otherwise get off your fat lazy ass and don't use FSs paid for by your neighbors and fellow citizens!!

Many people on food stamps ARE hard working moms and dads who are struggling to pay the rent, the utilites, keep up with the other bills, and keep enough gas in the car so that they can get to work.

For many people, their income has gone down while the cost of living has gone up. A lot of them have been laid off, their jobs sent overseas, or filled by those who come here to take jobs "Americans don't want to do", like software/electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, etc.

Of course there are the career welfare cases, but not everyone on FS fall into that category. Have you ever fallen on hard times yourself, or have you always been showered with money?

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   0:54:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

Perhaps, but even so, purchases should be very limited. Anyone on food stamps that has enough money for crap food doesn't need food stamps, plain and simple!!

And who will be the judge and arbitrator of what constitutes junk? Myself, I'd make all foods containing HFCS, artificial food coloring, Aspartame, MSG, and other such toxins off limits.

Only food sweetened with natural sugar would be allowed, so that means 99% of the ketchup, barbeque sauce, frozen dinners, Hamburger Helper, soda, Ramen Noodles, and other such junk would be banned.

As far as food in general goes, all that would be left is generally beyond the reach of most people who are counting their pennies to see if they can afford a gallon of milk.

Quality food is expensive, where avoiding junk food is extremely hard to do on a limited budget.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   1:19:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eric Stratton (#9)

As I've said, it takes more than two hands for me to count the number of people that I've seen check out with FS over the years that had their carts full of shit like twinkies, junk food, soda, candy, etc., etc.

Junk food is usually much cheaper than the good stuff, and kills hunger.

Again, I do not believe, since I've never had FSs, that one can purchase those things with FS, but that's my point. If those people have enough money to buy that shit, which is expensive relative to other foods and certainly for whatever nutrition it provides, then IMO they don't f'ing need food stamps now, do they? At least not all of them.

The thing is, they DON'T have enough money to buy the nutritious foods, so they just buy what they can afford. I believe a family of three gets about $300 or so a month.

Could YOU and YOUR family live on that much food per month, every month?

Either way, the way to do it is to put on the list fresh fruits, veggies, even canned/frozen fruits/veggies, certain meats (i.e., not fillet mignon), certain dairy, breads, etc. Then people can choose from that.

Again, those things are typically much more expensive, require more expense in preparation, etc.

I get what you're saying to a degree, but thing is, once their food stamps are gone for the month, they're gone, no matter what they end up buying with them.

If they feel the need to survive on twinkies, Ritz crackers, and peanut butter, then more than likely it's because that's all they can afford.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   8:30:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton (#15)

And no, junk food is not cheaper, it's more expensive. Go price a typical 9 oz. bag of chips for example, or a box of twinkies. Nutrition = zero.

Sweets can kill hunger, and a box of twinkies cost less than buying enough hamburg and buns to feed the same amount of people.

Ramen noodles is one of the worst things you can buy in terms of MSG and artificial flavors, yet it's so cheap many poor people buy it to have something other than twinkies to eat.

As far as chips, a huge bag of chips can be bought for a dollar or so.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   13:53:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#25)

Agree to disagree. But then you also shouldn't have much trouble with many other entitlement program stuff, like unemployment and the way that's administered.

Have you ever been laid off? There has to be some sort of safety net in order to prevent anarchy.

If there were no such safety net, people would resort to whatever desperate means they could dream up in order to survive, and that includes robbery, theft, and other criminal activities.

The filthy rich got their start that way, and by being super cheap and greedy, built up their fortunes over the centuries of time.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   13:58:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   14:21:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

No. I've quit and been jobless however.

Yes, that safety net is friends and family, not others' friends and family.

Not everybody is as fortunate as you. There are those whose parents have died or are surviving on bare minimum sustenance, and who don't have any brothers or sisters.

People who have moved to find work out of state find it difficult to pack up their belongings to go back to their original hometown, where not only is there not any work, but they can't afford to pay for moving and don't have the money for a security deposit.

It must be nice to come from a large family who have money.

Myself, when I was laid off almost a decade ago I was getting less than half from unemployment what my normal pay would have been. When that ran out, I had no choice but to collect assistance, as I had to find a way to support my family, and a $6 an hour job at McD's just wasn't going to do that.

After many years of struggling, I was able to find work and have been working since.

I would have much prefered to stay working that entire time, it really sucks being poor.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   14:39:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-10   16:39:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Eric Stratton (#68)

Otherwise, after family is church/charity. But not Government. If Government is the solution, well, then where we are is the natural outcome. Arguments can be made for all facets of bailouts then, both private as well as corporate.

My point is this. If we are looking for ways to cut spending, we should start with the most blatently obscene form of welfare, and that is welfare for multi- billionares, and for nations who not only don't need it, but who use that money to kill and oppress an entire race of people.

As far as pinching the pennies for those Americans who are experiencing hard times due to no fault of their own, that should be the least of our concerns.

Those who DO abuse the system and who COULD work yet choose not to should be weeded out, yet what are we going to do with their children, should we just let them starve as well?

With starvation comes desperation, and with desperation comes things we may not wish to experience first hand.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-10   17:56:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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