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Title: Tea Party Boils Over Proposed NYC Ban On Sugar Drinks
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URL Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2 ... posed-nyc-ban-on-sugar-drinks/
Published: Oct 9, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-10-09 21:19:52 by buckeroo
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You can just feel the pressure building inside the teapot. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages. The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor. Not surprisingly, those who warn of big government sticking its nose into every facet of our lives are going crazy. If bureaucrats can tell a segment of the population that they can’t drink soft drinks, what’s next? Is it only a matter of time until the government prohibits us from eating hamburgers and hot dogs? Will apple pie, a favorite desert loaded with unhealthy sugars, cease to be the symbol of good, old fashioned American values once the government puts pies and cakes on its hit list? While it is not difficult to see the point made by those in opposition to this sort of government interference and restriction, it would be wise for everyone to take a deep breath and gain a better understanding of what we are talking about before blowing our collective stacks. There is no question but that sugary soft drinks play a substantial role in our growing obesity problem, particularly among children. There is also little disagreement that obesity leads to increased cases of type II diabetes, heart disease and any number of illnesses that present as obese children grow into adulthood. We also know that for some of these children and adults, the medical treatment they will require to deal with these illnesses throughout their lives will be provided courtesy of state and federal safety net programs paid for with taxpayer money. That means that you and I will be paying not only for the care and treatment of the illnesses brought on by these poor nutritional habits for years to come, but are already paying for the very nutritional practices that bring on the disease in the first place. What we have here is one big exercise in enabling – and it simply doesn’t make sense. Still, there are those vigorously arguing that imposing this sort of restriction means that rich people are free to destroy their bodies however they choose while the poor would be denied the same right to do the same. I don’t think this is true. For starters, New York City would not be telling food stamp recipients that they are prohibited from enjoying a Coke and a smile. Rather, the city would be temporarily requiring that those receiving aid, at the pleasure and expense of the American taxpayer, pay for that Coke out of their own pocket rather than with the food stamps we provide them. There is a huge difference between telling Americans what they may eat and drink when they are spending their own money versus telling citizens they are free to destroy their health with their food choices when the taxpayer is picking up the tab for the menu. This is particularly true when beneficiaries of the government programs make nutritional choices that virtually guarantee that they will be repaying the favor by forcing the taxpayers to pick up even larger bills down the road for the expensive health problems their choices are likely to cause. However, such logic will not stop some from continuing to argue that if an American wants to drink paint and suffer the consequences, such behavior is both their prerogative and their right in a free country. Maybe. But while I can appreciate that one who chooses to buy a Twinkie with their hard earned cash doesn’t need me to put in my two cents as to the intelligence of such a decision, when that individual elects to accept food stamps, paid for and provided by the American taxpayer, a different sort of bargain is struck. It is no longer a matter of our sticking our nose into that individual’s business. It becomes a matter of our protecting our collective investment so that the money we have available to help out those in need can reach more people with similar needs. It is simply not reasonable for food stamp recipients to ignore the fact that allowing expenditures of the people’s money on food that we know is likely to create or contribute to expensive, lifelong illnesses- illnesses the public may well be responsible to pay for – takes away from our collective ability to help others in need. It’s selfish and it’s wrong. Shouldn’t these beneficiaries have the same concern for others who find themselves in a difficult economic situation that the rest of us express by providing our tax dollars to help them out in tough times? When people fail to behave in a mature and reasonable manner, reflective of the reality of their circumstances, is it really so wrong for the government to step in and require them to do so in order to protect the rest of the public who will suffer from the behavior of those who should know better? I don’t think so. And to all those whose immediate reaction is to cry foul, shouldn’t you consider the government’s obligation to protect our taxpayer money so that we get the biggest bang for each of our bucks? Government has a legitimate interest and obligation to protect our tax dollars. Further, taxpayers cannot shout about ‘big government’ wasting our money from one side of their collective mouth and then shout from the other when the government attempts to rein in behavior that does waste our money or, at least, fails to put it to its best use. A decent society has an obligation to do what it can for the least fortunate among us just as the least fortunate among us have an obligation to use good and mature judgment when accepting our contributions to their welfare. Government’s willingness to require the beneficiaries of our assistance to use those benefits in a way that will not contribute to even greater taxpayer expense only makes sense. Those on the right should not allow ideology to get in the way of allowing the government to do the smart thing. As for those on the left, we would do well to recall the old saying about not biting the hand that feeds you. It is fundamentally wrong for those accepting the help of the American public to pay it forward and back by ignoring proper nutrition, thereby causing the public that helps them to assume even larger expenses down the road. This is not a matter of of human dignity, respect or rights. It is a matter of a basic level of maturity that we have a right to expect.
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A report released yesterday by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) lists the U.S. and Mexico as the most obese nations of 33 countries studied. According to the report, 34% of Americans are obese--defined as 30 pounds or more overweight--and another 34% are overweight. The OECD projects that 3 out of 4 Americans will be overweight or obese within 10 years. The report--"Obesity and the Economics of Prevention: Fit not Fat"--was released in advance of a worldwide health summit to be held October 7-8 in Paris. The OECD recommends cooperation between governments and the private sector to combat the problem. A prevention strategy combining health promotion campaigns, government regulation and counseling by family doctors would prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths each year, the organization says. It estimates the cost of a successful prevention effort to be between $10 and $30 per person. The most obese nations according to the OECD report: 1. United States 2. Mexico 3. Chile 4. New Zealand 5. United Kingdom The least obese nations: 1. Japan 2. Korea 3. Switzerland 4. Norway 5. Italy "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Let them buy all the garbage they chose to ingest and die sooner, is another way to look at it.
The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor. Right, they'd rather poison everyone with high fructose corn syrup and Aspartame. It'll do the exact opposite of what is claimed, where it's been proven that HFCS CAUSES obesity, and Aspartame becomes additictive causing the person to drink MORE "soft drinks" and other such junk.
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Many people on food stamps ARE hard working moms and dads who are struggling to pay the rent, the utilites, keep up with the other bills, and keep enough gas in the car so that they can get to work. For many people, their income has gone down while the cost of living has gone up. A lot of them have been laid off, their jobs sent overseas, or filled by those who come here to take jobs "Americans don't want to do", like software/electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, etc. Of course there are the career welfare cases, but not everyone on FS fall into that category. Have you ever fallen on hard times yourself, or have you always been showered with money?
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Perhaps, but even so, purchases should be very limited. Anyone on food stamps that has enough money for crap food doesn't need food stamps, plain and simple!! And who will be the judge and arbitrator of what constitutes junk? Myself, I'd make all foods containing HFCS, artificial food coloring, Aspartame, MSG, and other such toxins off limits. Only food sweetened with natural sugar would be allowed, so that means 99% of the ketchup, barbeque sauce, frozen dinners, Hamburger Helper, soda, Ramen Noodles, and other such junk would be banned. As far as food in general goes, all that would be left is generally beyond the reach of most people who are counting their pennies to see if they can afford a gallon of milk. Quality food is expensive, where avoiding junk food is extremely hard to do on a limited budget.
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As I've said, it takes more than two hands for me to count the number of people that I've seen check out with FS over the years that had their carts full of shit like twinkies, junk food, soda, candy, etc., etc. Junk food is usually much cheaper than the good stuff, and kills hunger. Again, I do not believe, since I've never had FSs, that one can purchase those things with FS, but that's my point. If those people have enough money to buy that shit, which is expensive relative to other foods and certainly for whatever nutrition it provides, then IMO they don't f'ing need food stamps now, do they? At least not all of them. The thing is, they DON'T have enough money to buy the nutritious foods, so they just buy what they can afford. I believe a family of three gets about $300 or so a month. Could YOU and YOUR family live on that much food per month, every month? Either way, the way to do it is to put on the list fresh fruits, veggies, even canned/frozen fruits/veggies, certain meats (i.e., not fillet mignon), certain dairy, breads, etc. Then people can choose from that. Again, those things are typically much more expensive, require more expense in preparation, etc. I get what you're saying to a degree, but thing is, once their food stamps are gone for the month, they're gone, no matter what they end up buying with them. If they feel the need to survive on twinkies, Ritz crackers, and peanut butter, then more than likely it's because that's all they can afford.
I'd much rather see the FedGov helping out Americans in need than giving billions of dollars away each year to the likes of Israel and other countries which are attached to us like leeches. I really don't give a shit what happens to Israelis, we need to worry about our own people before we can dole out billions of dollars each year to the filthy rich, be they foreign nations or corporate big shots. We're arguing whether poor people should be allowed to drink Coca Cola, while we give Exxon, BP, and the filthest richest bastards on this planet billions of dollars each year, just because they demand it.
They can buy any food item they want with food stamps, and that includes what you listed. They can't buy prepared foods like store made salads or anything that carries a meal tax.
The teabaggers, and Republicans generally, are down on food stamps and will be glad to tell stories of seeing someone use food stamps to buy booze (which is completely forbidden). So why should they object if food stamps are restricted a tad to prevent being spent on one of the most ubiquitous forms of bad food?
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when i went to France i noticed very few fat, chubby, or obese people. a lot of smokers everywhere though. soda is very expensive there though. they dont drink it at all like we do here. that may be one reason.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Of course they do. And the companies producing the high fructose corn syrup profit from not just Coca Cola, but virtually every soft drink, many juices, and condiments such as ketchup, sweet pickles, barbeque sauce, and other such things. Even though there was no good reason to transition from natural sugar, other than the invalid premise that natural sugar is bad and artifical sweeteners are good, Americans have been forced to consume HFCS as there really aren't many other choices unless one buys nothing but all natural or organic versions of such items, which are not always easy to find and cost at least twice as much. For a few months they had "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, where they were made with sugar instead of HFCS. They did cost the same, and tasted better, but were only on the shelves for a limited time.
I think many people who have been laid off would rather be working than collecting assistance, but have been so demoralized they have no intent or ambition to march on Washington and demand we stop exporting jobs to China and elsewhere. Not only do they lack the ability to organize such a march, they are so broke they're worrying about whether they can afford to eat from day to day, never mind travelling to DC to participate in a march, as if that would even do any good.
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Sweets can kill hunger, and a box of twinkies cost less than buying enough hamburg and buns to feed the same amount of people. Ramen noodles is one of the worst things you can buy in terms of MSG and artificial flavors, yet it's so cheap many poor people buy it to have something other than twinkies to eat. As far as chips, a huge bag of chips can be bought for a dollar or so.
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The original article is concerning how NY wants to ban any food that contains natural sugar. It didn't say they wanted to eliminate soda or other items which contain HFCS or Aspartame, in fact, it seems they're demanding that's what people consume.
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I've known people who had been out of work for years, who sent out resumes each day, who called each recruiter they could find, yet couldn't find work, not even getting called in for an interview. And these were people who had decades of experience in various areas of software engineering. Luckily, they found steady employment several years ago, but they had to survive on almost nothing at all for quite some time. There will always be those who choose to milk the system, but not every person collecting is doing so because they want to, many are forced to take what they can get in order to feed themselves and their families, and keep some sort of roof over their heads.
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Have you ever been laid off? There has to be some sort of safety net in order to prevent anarchy. If there were no such safety net, people would resort to whatever desperate means they could dream up in order to survive, and that includes robbery, theft, and other criminal activities. The filthy rich got their start that way, and by being super cheap and greedy, built up their fortunes over the centuries of time.
The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor. Right, they'd rather poison everyone with high fructose corn syrup and Aspartame. It'll do the exact opposite of what is claimed, where it's been proven that HFCS CAUSES obesity, and Aspartame becomes additictive causing the person to drink MORE "soft drinks" and other such junk. Wanna really piss off Big Pharma and Big Fuud? Put aspartame and HFCS on the cannot buy list. It would be a very healthy thing to do, but those two products generate a lot of profit for ADM and Big Pharma. Actually between sugar and aspartame, aspartame is MUCH more toxic and has many more adverse health affects.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't disagree, yet they are forced to buy junk because they just can't afford to do otherwise. If you think about it, it's rather convenient that the cheapest foods are those which contain all the worst things out on the market these days. It's an effective way to render such people obese and prone to health problems, and the neurotoxins dull their minds to a point they can't or won't find productive and meaningful work. Children living under such conditions don't have a chance.
Put aspartame and HFCS on the cannot buy list. Now THAT would be something I would fully support.
Interestingly France also has a lower rate of heart disease than the U.S. despite higher rates of smoking. Ditto Japan. The key difference would seem to be diet. The French drink a lot of red wine which tends to keep blockages from forming. The Japanese eat more fish and vegetables, beef is verrrry expensive in Japan, and so their leaner, higher in Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids, diet is much more heart healthy.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't disagree, yet they are forced to buy junk because they just can't afford to do otherwise. If you think about it, it's rather convenient that the cheapest foods are those which contain all the worst things out on the market these days. It's an effective way to render such people obese and prone to health problems, and the neurotoxins dull their minds to a point they can't or won't find productive and meaningful work. Children living under such conditions don't have a chance. I would argue that the key difference is not just cost but knowledge and awareness. One thing I've noticed in poor households is they don't read they watch Tee Bee. I am very frugal on my grocery budget and yet eat, not perfect, a much better diet than most "poor" people and spend less per head. Foods that are Cheap and Nutritious: Beans and Lentils Whole Grains - Wheat, Spelt, White Corn (all yellow corn is now essentially all GMO whether intentionally or resulting from pollen contamination), Brown Rice, Quinoa, Amaranth, Teff, etc., .... There are a lot of varieties now available in this category. Fresh and frozen vegetables (but you have to choose carefully) Fresh Fruit (in season - again you have to choose carefully) A limited amount of ORGANIC dairy. (I am not an anti-dairy nut, but do agree that excessive use of dairy is not healthy.) Not Cheap but healthy and smaller portions used wisely are better than the protein rich American Diet: Grass Fed Beef (Grass fed is higher in the good things from beef such as Omega 3&6 Fatty acids - Stearic Acid in particular, and Cattle fed on a grass/alfalfa diet eliminate E. Coli from their systems in about 3 days - per study). Free Range Chicken (or at least not caged in Chicken Factories that promote disease). I've enjoyed cooking since I was a teenager and have just accumulated a lot from little bits and pieces over time. I try to buy and eat healthy, and cheap, and of course I keep an organic vegetable and herb garden.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Yours and mine. If the Government had its own money, then great. But it doesn't. Their money is our money. Well I'd say we should start with eliminating the billions upon billions of dollars of welfare for Israel, and any other form of welfare we dish out to foreign nations. Till then, I say allow the poor to buy Lay's potato chips if they so desire.
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Under 0bamaCare their increased blood pressure, caused by excessive starch, sugars and salts creating high blood pressure, heart attacks, kidney failure and associated physical ailments are all covered. Thanks a lot.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Yes, that safety net is friends and family, not others' friends and family. Not everybody is as fortunate as you. There are those whose parents have died or are surviving on bare minimum sustenance, and who don't have any brothers or sisters. People who have moved to find work out of state find it difficult to pack up their belongings to go back to their original hometown, where not only is there not any work, but they can't afford to pay for moving and don't have the money for a security deposit. It must be nice to come from a large family who have money. Myself, when I was laid off almost a decade ago I was getting less than half from unemployment what my normal pay would have been. When that ran out, I had no choice but to collect assistance, as I had to find a way to support my family, and a $6 an hour job at McD's just wasn't going to do that. After many years of struggling, I was able to find work and have been working since. I would have much prefered to stay working that entire time, it really sucks being poor.
Well if we stopped giving out welfare to Israel, and if we stopped greedy megacorporations from escaping the US tax system by moving their operations overseas, while at the same time employing slave labor and children as young as 8 or 10 years old, perhaps we'd be in better shape overall. With more jobs here, there'd be less people forced to eat dirt cheap food, since they'd be gainfully employed rather than surviving on bare minimum, or less. As far as Obamacare, I've never agreed with it. If waste and fraud (how much is it for an aspirin at a hospital, $30 or more a pill?) were eliminated or at least reduced, existing health care plans would cover what is necessary.
Ok, you have $5 left for the month, it's the 22nd of October say. Now what are you going to buy to feed yourself and two children, as an example? From what I've seen, families get about a half month's worth of groceries in the form of food stamps, eating healthy.
I just can't understand how you or anyone else could get so worked up over the tiny fraction of tax dollars that find their way to poor people here in the US, where TRILLIONS of dollars have been doled out to the megarich bankers and corporate CEOS, along with the yearly tribute to Israel to the tune of several billion dollars. What is spent on food stamps is a very tiny insignificant drop in the bucket in comparison.
The problem is right now, despite the cooked numbers and "Rosey Scenario" being put forth by the Feral Government the actual unemployment rate is at Great Depression levels of about 25%. There are no jobs to replace the ones lost. It is all well and good to say "if you don't work you don't eat", but what do you say when there is NO work and government regulation makes is difficult at best to start your own business? So, the option is soup lines and people living in alleys or Extended Unemployment Benefits (which have run out for many). I am not a big fan of government hand-outs, but this is one time it makes sense as otherwise the millions out of work and on the streets would be driving crime and death from starvation through the roof. That it is a created event does not change that reality.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What you don't seem to realise by Bloomberg's request is that if certain people are under a welfare program by state administered funds such as the USDA Foodstamp program then the state has the power to enforce those same people on a strict diet; that is to say: the recipients must eat healthy using government funded mandates. In California, apparently the foodstamp program is provided by periodic or otherwise renewed "debit cards"; and the abuse is rampant. Folks go to Hawaii, and use them, piles of folks goto LasVegas, NV and all kinds of other entertainment centers to use those same designed limited-use debit cards. These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility, as is obvious. In this particular case, I agree with Bloomberg. If the welfare recipients don't like the rules for their support, they can get off the subsidy altogether and get their asses to work ... picking grapes, washing cars, mowing lawns ... whatever they can constructively do.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Precisely. The difference is orderS of magnitude. It is a couple billion versus 16 to 17 TRILLION which is a thousand billion times 16 to 17. More than the entire GDP, about 13 Trillion in current dollars, of the ENTIRE United States for one year.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I know some people on food stamps, and the rules are a litle odd. For one thing, hot food cannot be bought. The next day, if the fried chicken is cold, you can buy it. No hot coffee, but cold tea. No nachos if you put hot cheese on them. The talk is that candy, ice cream, etc., are going to be removed from eligibility.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
While I agree in principle, it's the fact that NY wishes the recipients to switch from relatively healthy foods containing sugar, to toxic ones containing Aspartame and high fructose corn syrup. Hell, I don't know what they mean by "sugar sweetened" soft drinks, there aren't any. There are natural juices, and naturally sweetened lemonade, do they mean those as well? Or is it that they just mistook HFCS as "sugar", and they insist everybody ingests Aspartame spiked beverages? It's the matter of being forced to eat that which will cause you and your family to become sick and develop chronic health problems. The only people who benefit here are the ones with financial interests in Big Pharma and healthcare.
"We have a WINNER Johnny!" "Now tell him what he's won ..."
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The idea of "hot food" is that it is a prepared presentation which (of course) incurs costs to the welfare recipient's monthly allotment. The goal of welfare food stamps is for the recipient to prepare their own food at home with common sense ingredients about nutritional value for their own families, thus improving their own lives. I like what you said. I want a maximum of common-sense restrictions on awards to people in need whole ensuring a maximum of societal benefits. And, if the recipients don't like it ... FUCK 'em.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I appreciate that joke, buckeroo talking about people being irresponsible. buckeroo's never been irresopnsible. the people who engaged in derivatives trade thus causing toxic assets and requiring billions or trillions in bailouts were not irresponsible. etc etc etc our government spends a ton of money on people being irresopnsible. Being irresponsible is normal. why do you single out the poor in this concern of yours'? maybe those people from California who spent their food stamp cards in Las Vegas or Hawaii were staying with relatives in those states. Las Vegas has a ton of poor people in it who cannot find jobs. and for people who try to get jobs at casinos where union membership is required, they find that only mexicans are allowed to join the union. so these jobs you speak of are not always available to the poor.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
That isn't true. The goal is to declassify sodapop and associated "food" products from a list of "food sources" that contain inordinate amounts of sugar or substitutes. You are not watching the issue, at all, but thinking about surreal replacements can be used and is state government sponsored. That is farther from the truth.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I see lots of people on food stamps at the local store. They buy ice cream and candy on their food card, and at the same time buy cigarettes and beer with cash. I asked one clerk how much of their business is food cards, and he said one- third.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
I asked one clerk how much of their business is food cards, and he said one- third. We all know I'm anti regulation but the government, like everyone else, has the right to say how its money is spent. Controlled by the will of the people of course. We have already said that the "sin" of cigarettes and alcohol can not be supported with food stamps. I don't have a problem with restrictions on other indulgences. I don't have a problem with cookies and ice cream as those technically can be made at home. Soda on the other hand...
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Red Jones (in response): maybe those people from California who spent their food stamp cards in Las Vegas or Hawaii were staying with relatives in those states. Las Vegas has a ton of poor people in it who cannot find jobs. and for people who try to get jobs at casinos where union membership is required, they find that only mexicans are allowed to join the union. Learn to read. But it is interesting you like all your friends from South of the Border to invade America, illegally. Correct? How much money do they receive in Arizona from US government give-aways because they have so-called anchor babies?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I have to disagree on a couple of those. While EXTREMELY nutritious, Quinoa and brown rice are usually more expensive than the dirt cheap white rice. Never saw Amaranth or Teff, didn't even know they were foods. The rest of what you say is quite true, where if one does the research and buys the most wholesome ingredients, and takes the time to prepare them, then it's possible to eat healthy with a comparable amount of money than what it takes to buy the average junk food. Thing is, it's impossible to buy any of that for less what what it costs to buy a huge box of Ramen.
Well I'd need more info, but the article was suggesting it was only SUGAR sweetened "soft drinks" that were going to be prohibited.
That I've only seen online for like $20 or more a pound, never seen it at a market.
Which leads to the question about which soft drinks and which sugar. As we all know it is HFCS that is the real problem, not the soda. Will they also ban throw backs, the recent introduction of soft drinks made with real sugar. And what about the other products containing HFCS. Why the focus on soda alone? And what are the odds Pepsi and Coke will allow this?
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Here's what the article says in black and white... It implies that drinks using artificial sweeteners, such as Aspartame, would not be affected by the prohibition.
And what about the other products containing HFCS. Why the focus on soda alone? And what are the odds Pepsi and Coke will allow this? Excellent questions. If anything, ALL HFCS and Aspartame products should be banned. Of course the megafood corporations might have something to say about it...
Today, as for my late afternoon soft palate delight to serve my family: lean porkchops peppered and inundated with olives, creamy white (cream) wine mushrooms (bell peppers from my raised bed backyard garden) and a bit of cheese sticks on the side. A small salad is on the side ... and afterwords not much more than a taste of frozen raspberry yogurt for desert. Of course, since I am not a Muslim I am having friends over that enjoy in a stiff drink or two beyond the pork chops.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You are incorrect.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
How so? Do you have any further information other than what is in the article?
A small salad is on the side ... and afterwords not much more than a taste of frozen raspberry yogurt for desert. People on food stamps would need to spend 3-4 days worth of their entitlement to buy the necessary ingredients in order to prepare that meal.
The generic term of "sugar soft drinks" includes the substitutes. As others have said, cigarettes, alcohol and "hard goods" products are already banned from these government sponsored programs.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
They pursued their own destiny buying soda pop. Note, I have no sugars presented from the raw ingredients and in fact, limit the meal to a serious tasty effort minimizing excess sugars, fat or cholesterol. After any meal, it is important to feel your blood coursing through your veins while having a chat with friends. It makes a meal all the worthwhile.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Never saw Amaranth or Teff, didn't even know they were foods. I'm fortunate in that I live close enough to a processor that runs an outlet store and can buy a lot of that for a good third less than in supermarkets. However, local "buying clubs" can reduce the cost. A lot of them are available in bulk bins from some chains such as WholeFoods. Amaranth is an ancient Inca Grain and is the only grain, other than Quinoa, which has a full complement of Amino Acids. It is extremely nutritious and like Quinoa can be added in small amounts to other foods to produce nutritional balance. Teff is again a grain recovered, like Spelt and Kamut, from near extinction and is very nutritious. The problem with White Rice is that it loses a lot of the nutrition with the hull. As well a lot of American White (and brown) rice has been contaminated, like Yellow Corn, with GMO Pollen. There are a fair number of countries that no longer allow the import of American Rice for that reason. The Organic Farmers, and conventional, have a lawsuit pending on that point. True, but with careful shopping, keeping a pantry with storable items, etc., it is possible to over time build up enough surplus to where you can follow a shopping regimen like mine. What I do to save money and still eat well is to bargain hunt. Because I have food in the pantry I never run into the situation where I have to buy cheap junk in a short budget period, but instead get only what I absolutely must, and rely on my stockpile to weather the period of short money. The rest of the time I'll "over shop" on sale and bargain items that have good food value that also have a long shelf life. Recently I ran into a deal on Organic Fair Trade Cane Sugar and got a ten pound bag (a year's supply for me) at half off - $8 instead of $18. It requires constantly being aware of what you are buying and whether it is a good value, a fair value, or an exceptional value. I also shop a store that deals in close outs and odd lots. While a lot of the stuff is standard supermarket junk a fair amount is also Organic and good quality. Another example was New Zealand Mussels - a gourmet item costing $5 at a Whole Foods or such - for 99¢. So, I had gourmet Mussels as a nutritious treat for a couple of weeks. Shopping the way I do also requires being flexible in what you eat and being willing to research recipes. It is like another deal I ran into - real imported English Aged Double Gloucester for 1.99 each for a 500 gm waxed wheel. 8 bucks, or better, in any gourmet cheese shop. So, I ate Whole Milk Double Gloucester instead of Cheddar for a while. The English may not be famous for their Wines but they do turn out some damn good cheese. Saving just means shopping wisely, and thinking ahead. Oh, and cooking from scratch instead of buying pre-made over-sugared, over-salted shit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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That I've only seen online for like $20 or more a pound, never seen it at a market. While I generally buy it locally there are a couple of places I've found online that average 6 to 7 dollars a pound. Whole Foods will occasionally put grass fed hamburger on sale for about 4 bucks a pound and when they do I stock up and freeze it. Slankers is a good one to mail order from as is Alton Springs Ranch. In those cases you are buying direct and it pays to order enough to justify the shipping cost. There's another one I like but name is eluding me at the moment - in the midwest and the woman who runs it, with her husband, is a Vet and inspects all of the cattle herself and has them processed locally under tight restrictions. While not certified and organic Belle Brook Farms in Texas sells Belgian Blue beef at good prices, and Belgian Blues are naturally higher in the good stuff than most other cattle. The key is to stay away from meat that has been raised on a grain diet as the cattle are not designed to metabolize it properly, they are ruminants and grass eaters by design, and so it results in diseased cattle. If you see that sign that says "Grain Fed Beef" you should interpret it as "Heart Attack on the Hoof". I would be hypocritical if I said I ate exclusively grass fed, but when at all possible that is my preference. That and Buffalo in preference to beef.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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I agree with you. Although the claims in America can of nutritious value for pre-processed foods, the same technologies have permitted a fat and lazy group. We have the fattest people on the planet and just as you said, all anyone has to do is take a peek outside to see the truth. And for anyone to see my perspective: anyone receiving government payments can not vote or influence voting. This means EVERYONE from large government military companies to individuals receiving a buck or two for welfare, such as food-stamps. It also means government employees high or low in the strata; politicians are included, of course.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It's the principle. I'm finished here. But if you favor this, then it precludes you from arguing against other such programs. I disagree and it does not preclude anything. Which principle do you agree with more: Fuck'em let'em starve in the alley? Or, because we are dealing with a created economic problem first solve the problem and then do away with the unnecessary programs? You miss the point - there are no jobs even for those looking earnestly. And it is an employer's market. I saw a job listing for a job the other day that used to require a H.S. Diploma - and the employer is stipulating a BACHELOR'S Degree for the position - in a warehouse setting. It is an employer's market wherein, since they have a surplus of applicants (sometimes 50 OR MORE applicants for a position) so that employers are stipulating their ideals for the position rather than having to take the best from what is available. Maybe it has not sunk in but we are in a MAJOR DEPRESSION the likes of which has not been seen since the 1930's. THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS in sufficient quantity and that is a CREATED scenario.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are welcome, Eric. But the issues are far beyond free or individual determinism about healthy foods when someone applies for state assistance. I am confident the US government working with local governments have also setup information methods of nutrition for individuals/families receiving some form of subsistence. Sodapop is already not included. And that means, many individuals that apply for assistance programs are lying out their teeth when they abuse the rules they are supposed to abide by. I should research this point... yep, it exists: www.nutrition.gov/nal_dis...nfo_center=11&tax_level=1 So, you and I are agreed about common sense perspectives about how these programs should work. And, here is more: Using SNAP You will receive an Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) card when you are certified to receive SNAP benefits. The SNAP office will explain how to use it, and will supply you a personal identification number (PIN). Keep this number safe, so that no one else can use your SNAP benefits. (In some areas, States are still using paper coupons, but they are being phased out.) Take your EBT card to the grocery store where you want to shop, select the food items you want to buy with it, and take them to the checkout counter. SNAP benefits can only be used for food and for plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy: * Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics * Alcoholic beverages and tobacco * Vitamins and medicines * Any food that will be eaten in the store * Hot foods Once your eligible food items have been totaled at the cash register, you will pass your EBT card through a point-of-sale (POS) terminal in the check out line. In most cases, the POS terminal connects with a computer where your SNAP benefits are stored. In some States, the benefits are actually stored on the card. The cost of the SNAP items you purchase will be subtracted from the amount in your SNAP EBT account, up to the balance remaining in your SNAP EBT account. Once your SNAP EBT transaction is complete, you will receive a receipt that shows the amount of your SNAP purchase and the amount of SNAP benefits remaining in your EBT account. You should keep these receipts so you know how much of the SNAP benefits remain in your EBT account each time you go to the store. You should also keep these receipts as your record of SNAP purchases in case there are problems with your account. Last modified: 05/19/2010 Of course it doesn't discuss sodapop... then again, that is what the thread's article is ALL about.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Whats jobs got to do with sodapop?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
With my income I could horde things like grains and such without any issues, but for those less fortunate who don't have enough money to make it through an entire month, it's not feasible. That being said, I've noticed those from poor economic backgrounds are VERY fussy in what they eat, and will choose crap food over good food much of the time, as that is what they were raised on. Myself, I'll eat anything other than liver, except for chicken livers in New Orleans dirty rice, or in a pate. What they should do is organize trips to the market for those on assistance, and show them what they should buy, and how to prepare it. Many have never been exposed to some of things you mention, and would never try it if offered to them. They just need to adjust their taste buds.
You know what this may be about? I can buy sugar sweetened Coca Cola in the old 10 oz bottles (bottled in Mexico) at the local hardware store for Ø1.56 per bottle, and it's sometimes available at our local indy food store. And, our local ShopRite® stores also stock Coke with sugar for Passover. (cause it bee koosha) Kosher Coke and other products are likely available in New York city year round and po' folks have found that they taste better, and they're happy to pay a premium with "free gummint munny" for them. And, the increased demand is now inconveniencing and irritating some nize, Jewish peepul who shop at stores frequented by thoughtless, selfish Goyim who buy up beverages not intended for them. THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW! Mayor Bloomberg is more than willing to take the necessary steps to keep Mrs. Goldblatt from having to travel all the way to the west side for her Kusha beverages. I mean, her health isn't so good anymore and there are so many young, menacing schwartzes and pickpockets on the subway.... _____________________________ "Some people see the yellow caps or “OU-P” symbol and know exactly what's up. But to clarify, here are five things to know about Passover-friendly soft drinks: 1. Passover starts on April 9 this year, and usually a couple weeks leading up to the Jewish holiday, we start seeing Passover Coke. 2. All year long, corn syrup is kosher per se, except during Passover when Jews avoid most grains (see ya, corn). That means sodas are naturally kosher the rest of the year, but during the holiday, kosher needs to involve real sugar, not corn syrup. 3. Major soda brands that usually roll out special "Kosher for Passover" lines include Coke, Sprite, Sierra Mist, and Pepsi (and new this year, Pepsi Throwback is also made with real sugar). The deli's mascot drink Dr. Brown's also does their black cherry and cream soda varieties in two-liter bottles and six-pack cans. Sorry, no progress on Cel-Ray yet. Here is a full list of other Kosher-safe beverages. 4. Most average grocery stores will carry the sugar-bearing goods. You shouldn't have to make a special trip to a Jewish neighborhood. According to UOKosher.org, focused areas include: the New York metropolitan area, Boston, Baltimore-Washington, Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles. 5. So where exactly can you buy Passover Coke? Gothamist reports that bottles can be already spotted at the Upper West Side and Harlem Fairways, and keep your eyes peeled at most Key Foods, Associated, and A&P stores. For more national info, check out this thread on BevNet."
My point is this. If we are looking for ways to cut spending, we should start with the most blatently obscene form of welfare, and that is welfare for multi- billionares, and for nations who not only don't need it, but who use that money to kill and oppress an entire race of people. As far as pinching the pennies for those Americans who are experiencing hard times due to no fault of their own, that should be the least of our concerns. Those who DO abuse the system and who COULD work yet choose not to should be weeded out, yet what are we going to do with their children, should we just let them starve as well? With starvation comes desperation, and with desperation comes things we may not wish to experience first hand.
THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW! That could very well be part of the reason, besides the fact the Big Pharma and health industries would love to see a rash of new business. And oh yeah, if the hordes of people on food stamps in New York all start consuming Aspartame laced drinks due to not being able to purchase regular soft drinks, then we can expect the amount of federal money going to the New York Medicaid program to skyrocket. So much for "saving money".
The big picture is that for ever tax dollar you give the government, much of it goes to the military, intelligence and security agencies, Israel, the other myraid number of government agencies, and perhaps 5 cents or less to the poor.
That's what I'm getting out of this. They are demonizing soft drinks without targeting the real culprit. They have to show they are doing something. Case of trimming the bush so the whole tree doesn't die.
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And it tastes soooooo much better than that aspartame and hfcs $#it, doesn't it? It is simply amazing to me that Coke ever changed their formula (in America) to use that stuff when they actually use real sugar in other parts of the world. And for what, to save a penny on a can or bottle?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You got it, right.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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Again, you got it right.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Just remember that when it comes time to collect Social Security. Make sure you burn your check, and also refuse that Medicare and pay your own medical bills. Yes, let's eliminate all entitlement programs for the poor, for our veterans, and for the elderly, just make sure we keep dishing out that tax money to the war machine and to our Israeli and corporate masters. You are part of the problem, since you can't tell the difference between necessary programs which cost nothing compared to the enourmous amount of waste and outright theft which takes the majority of our money. In fact, you want to start by eliminating that which is the only thing keeping those less fortunate people than you from starving to death and living in the gutters. If you were as adament about eliminating welfare for Israel, and reducing the enourmous amount of corruption and bloat in the US defense machine, then perhaps I'd see you were being consistant. But no, let's pick on the weakest members of society, yeah, that's the brave christian way to go.
More than likely to enrich the pharma and medical industries. I doubt the average share holder would know that, but obviously those at the top of the corporation (top share holders, board of directors) have to know, and they are probably the same people who OWN those big pharma and healthcare companies.
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i can sympathize with the soda junkies because that's pretty much my only vice. i love soda & drink at least a 32 oz dr pepper every day. i cut back sometimes, but it is difficult. but seeing as i dont smoke, drink, do dope, gamble, etc, its mild as vices go.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I have to admit, I miss my Pepsi. However, I cut it out because of the HFCS, and I am not sure I trust the throwback because they are likely using Beet Sugar which is now mostly GMO and requires additional production steps over Cane Sugar. That is why I like Jones Soda which uses pure cane sugar. It's also more expensive and hard to find in my preferred flavors - Cola and Lemon Lime. The Lemon Lime tastes like Sprite did before HFCS - a much cleaner taste. The Cola is more like the old RC Cola.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You may recall that Hershey moved much of their chocolate manufacturing to Mexico and the reason for this is it allows the company to avoid the crushing import duty on sugar. So, it's quite possible that Mexican Coke is made with sugar because A) it tastes better and Coke can market it there and here, and B) it's not cost prohibitive because the sugar import tax (intended to protect the same FL cane barons who spent 3 Meg to kill protectionist legislation to save The Everglades) doesn't apply to sugar imported to Mexico, and the finished product can be imported without penalty, just like Hershey's Kisses.
And it tastes soooooo much better than that aspartame and hfcs $#it, doesn't it? It is simply amazing to me that Coke ever changed their formula (in America) to use that stuff when they actually use real sugar in other parts of the world. And for what, to save a penny on a can or bottle? The import duty on sugar was substantial enough to get Hershey to move major chocolate production to Mexico. Of course this happened long after Coke had switched to fructose, so, I'm guessing that unlike old cane sugar money there are some well connected "new peepul" involved in the blossoming fructose industry, just as Donald Rumsfeld is connected to Aspartame. __________________ "Since 1980 in the U.S., Coke has been made with high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) as an ingredient. Originally it was used in combination with more expensive cane-sugar, but by late 1984 the formulation was sweetened entirely with HFCS. Some nutritionists caution against consumption of HFCS because it may aggravate obesity and type-2 diabetes more than cane sugar.[86] Also, a 2009 study found that almost half of tested samples of commercial HFCS contained mercury, a toxic substance.[87]"_wiki Mercury? *G_D help us all*
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It seems that way. First are the profits, then the medical windfall then the ultimate depopulation of worthless eaters. That's why I can only hope that Klaatu and GORT really do land and start kicking their elite, inbred asses right off this planet.
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Not that it amounted to all that much but that move to Mexico cost them my business. And some other people's too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. He's such a nice boy. Doggie noses up another nugget. Good doggie.
I stand corrected! ; ) The message was that we Earthlings were becoming a threat to lizards, greys, Dracos, etc., because of our trending toward gratuitous nuke use. As a kid the message seemed fine to me. And years later I learned that Japan was attempting to negotiate a surrender when we sent The Enola Gay and BOCKSCAR over to deliver Little Boy and Fat Man. The US wasn't going to bungle the opportunity to demo the weapon for The Ruskies (and SIZZLELEAN a 100k Japs at Ground Zero) or sign off on a costly obligatory rebuild treaty (as opposed to allowing American industries to make profitable inroads in the defeated nation, i.e. JVC, The Japanese Victor Company) so the message made even more sense. The real irony was that many of the same non-Christians (wink) who helped develop the bomb suddenly discovered that conscience forbade them to support the use of the weapon on any other nation but Germany. If by "liberal piece of trash movie" you mean that the film did not garner support from the MIC or the Dr.Strangeloves or the General Turgidsons in the Pentagon and the makers' wishful vision for the universe was a giant beatnik Marxist coffee house run by American POWs who defected during the Korean War, I'd say you're on solid ground.
My barber said the same thing about Hershey, and he no longer drinks Budweiser after it merged to become Anheuser-Busch InBev. It's a shame that congress is such a bordello of corporate whores because they could remove the incentive for corporate expatriation/ foreign mergers with the stroke of a quill. But, they're no more inclined toward protecting American jobs than they are preventing the gouging of our citizens who pay more for the same medicines than the subjects of any other country to which they are exported. I hate to think un-Christian thoughts but when it comes to congress I must say, I don't love them.
I don't believe I've bought a Bud since then either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Thanx, bg. It's reassuring that you noticed that I'm not just another irresistibly cute face. And, besides, I can't spend all my time eatin' catz!
Good. I used to drink it too, but I don't drink two beers/mixed drinks a year now so, I can feel good about the fact that we don't buy Bud/Michelob either. Remember New Coke? Well, what they never told us (but I cleverly deduced after speaking with recent Chinese immigrants in Los Angeles) was that in the giant market Coke was hoping to penetrate and dominate refrigeration is a luxury for the top five percentile, and (as the little Chinese folks told me) warm Coke tastes like medicine for stummy aches. But, NEW COKE was delicious after a hard day of backbreaking work in a rice paddy, foreign guano mine or govt weapons factory. And, if Coke had a lock on the Chinese market it would more than compensate for the anticipated loss of a few loyal customers in the West. So, Coke was betting that their loyal customers would grumble but most would accept the new formula as COKE stockholders built mountains of gold from the sale of New Coke to the ChiComs and other grass hut converts. One taste of New Coke at room temp would reveal that the formula was developed to appeal to folks who burn so much coal for cooking and heat that they're succumbing to mercury poisoning, and for who a single light bulb in a shack is "uptown". If only Americans were as touchy about corporate turncoats as they were about keeping phosphorus in their fave soft drink, the greedy bastards who are abandoning the nation that made their products household names wouldn't be so anxious to set up slave factories abroad. Perhaps they'd stay here and invest their energies in lowering taxes and govt spending and strengthening the American Shekel instead. Unfortunately these things don't excite corporate passions the way that union busting, undermining TITLE VII or filing SLAPP suits do. Govt types vote themselves pay raises so inflation is a private sector "disease", and corporate types offshore American jobs thinking they'll sell their imported goods to those who didn't get porked into permanent unemployment by their companies. Again I make with the irony but it seems that the only Americans who are inclined to boycott are those with no money because their former employers, many of which required specialized (and now useless) skills abandoned them.
Yes, I remember and I remember the uproar about it. Too bad the people didn't just boycott the company until the ptb decided that sugar wasn't all that expensive after all and started making Cokes with that instead of that damnable hfcs and aspartame.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Hell, back then people were indifferent unless drinks contained saccharin and "tasted funny". The "bladder cancer in rats" was a soon forgotten footnote because those who wanted to pay lip service to losing weight just had to have saccharin in their coffee to wash down their double slice of chocolate cherry cheesecake. So, it's quite understandable that health concerns about sweeteners aren't considered polite conversation today. Back then the only things that mattered were "is it less fattening" and does it taste good?", and old habits die....well, never. And "all sweeteners have risks" they tell us. "Even molasses can kill you," they are quick to remind us.
Sure, molasses can kill you if you eat enough of it. Water has been known to kill people who drank too much of it at one time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This was the same era of the Great Marijuana Scarcity. Dried flowers of the Cannabis plant had been an underground commodity for decades, but all the sudden was pulled from the market by some "unseen hand". Once supply caught up (LOL!) prices had tripled.
"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs
What's that? >(;^{]
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Botany is beautiful, man! "Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs
Oh, that's that ol' Mary G. Wanna, ahaha. Someone showed me a picture of it one time before, that's how I knew what it looked like.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That poor woman probably never understood why athletes take salt tabs or drink Gatorade when rehydrating, or that consuming too much water could cause her cells to lose electrolytes (even without voiding) causing the chemical electrical system to quit. Without salt molecules, primarily potassium the electrical ions cannot move or travel in our "brain batteries", the somatic nervous system and autonomic nervous system. And without electrical signals we're a dead bag of meat. You may recall I wrote a piece a while back explaining that pure water {H2O} will not conduct electricity, and electrically charged particles must hitch a ride on salt molecules when moving through solution. This is also the cause of the delirium tremens or "DTS", when alkies deplete their potassium from consuming booze and peeing away their brain salts then they lose their minds. Needless to say the radio station didn't take precautions while sponsoring a stupid and dangerous contest. This reminds me of the idiot who killed several people in a sweat lodge a while back. It never occurred to him or the radio stoopids to simply consult "Mr. Internet" before commencing their activities. Because stupid people don't know they're stupid they also don't know other things they don't know. Or, rather, they don't know that there are things the don't know they don't know.
Dried flowers of the Cannabis plant had been an underground commodity for decades, but all the sudden was pulled from the market by some "unseen hand". Once supply caught up (LOL!) prices had tripled. I remember that, too. A 4-finger bag of Thai stix or Vietnam Red was Ø300 and ten years later the rich Chinese kids were paying Ø1,000 for any primo smoke (anything but green or brown Mexican "doyt weed") and the rest of us just remembered when.....
thanks for the interesting info. i have seen a resurgence of sugar drinks even here in the u.s. i did not know that the 'real sugar' they tout can also be fake gmo sugar. i also have never heard of jones soda, will look it up.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 You are welcome. The GMO Sugar Beet story has been big around here, because of the protests by Organic Farmers fearing GMO contamination and thus making their crop unsalable as Organic, and local safe food activists. Also Jeffrey Smith who does a monthly guest spot on the Rense Program (he is an anti-gmo activist - see his book "Seeds of Deception") spoke about the issue either last month or the month before. It is interesting - there must be something about Pepsi that makes it physically addictive. The reason I say that is that I would "jones" for my Pepsi if I didn't get it. Well, I was able to pick up a couple of cases of Jones Soda at an advantageous price and after a month of it, I no longer craved Pepsi. I now drink only a small fraction of the soda I used to drink. There are other small label "microbrew" sodas that also use pure cane sugar. Generally if you read the ingredients list if they use cane sugar it will say "Cane Sugar" in in the ingredients list. If it just says sugar then it is likely Beet Sugar.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Report: 1 in 3 Americans Obese, U.S. Is Fattest Nation
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#3. To: buckeroo (#0)
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#4. To: buckeroo (#0)
#5. To: Eric Stratton (#4)
And hey, if you're going to have Uncle Sambo bail you out, then yeah, you may be under your master's rules!!! Otherwise get a fugging job, start a business, or otherwise get off your fat lazy ass and don't use FSs paid for by your neighbors and fellow citizens!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#6. To: FormerLurker (#5)
#7. To: FormerLurker (#5)
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#8. To: Eric Stratton (#6)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)
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#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)
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#11. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#13. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
(Edited)
Again, I do not believe, since I've never had FSs, that one can purchase those things with FS,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: buckeroo (#0)
#15. To: FormerLurker (#11)
#16. To: FormerLurker (#12)
#17. To: FormerLurker (#13)
#18. To: buckeroo (#1)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#19. To: Eric Stratton (#16)
BTW, you don't think that the Coca-Cola company gets its share of "favors" from FedGov like the others you've cited? Come on now!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: Eric Stratton (#17)
This gravy-train ride that this nation's been on is nearly over as people continue to seek economic redress from their new master(s) instead of kicking the beast in the balls and telling it to be on its merry way and starting over the way things should be. We are so fucked!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#21. To: FormerLurker (#19)
#22. To: Eric Stratton (#15)
And no, junk food is not cheaper, it's more expensive. Go price a typical 9 oz. bag of chips for example, or a box of twinkies. Nutrition = zero.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#23. To: FormerLurker (#20)
#24. To: Eric Stratton (#21)
Don't know when the discussion turned to HFCS, but I think those are still available now in our area. Have been for a couple of months.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#25. To: FormerLurker (#22)
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#26. To: Eric Stratton (#23)
I spoke to a recruiter for a company that had offered a guy a job who replied by asking if he could start in 6 weeks so that he could run out his string of unemployment. Talk about balls! She had considered retracting the offer.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: FormerLurker (#24)
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#25)
Agree to disagree. But then you also shouldn't have much trouble with many other entitlement program stuff, like unemployment and the way that's administered.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#29. To: FormerLurker (#3)
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages.
#30. To: Eric Stratton (#27)
If I'm paying for someone else's groceries, then IMO they should be getting the biggest bang for their buck in terms of nutrition, cost, etc. You obviously disagree.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: Original_Intent (#29)
Wanna really piss off Big Pharma and Big Fuud?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: Artisan (#18)
when i went to France i noticed very few fat, chubby, or obese people. a lot of smokers everywhere though. soda is very expensive there though. they dont drink it at all like we do here. that may be one reason.
#33. To: FormerLurker (#30)
If I'm paying for someone else's groceries, then IMO they should be getting the biggest bang for their buck in terms of nutrition, cost, etc. You obviously disagree.
#34. To: FormerLurker (#28)
#35. To: Eric Stratton (#27)
To me the issue is about how other people use our money!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: FormerLurker (#30)
#37. To: FormerLurker (#35)
#38. To: FormerLurker (#35)
Till then, I say allow the poor to buy Lay's potato chips if they so desire.
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#34)
No. I've quit and been jobless however.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: buckeroo (#38)
Under 0bamaCare their increased blood pressure, caused by excessive starch, sugars and salts creating high blood pressure, heart attacks, kidney failure and associated physical ailments are all covered.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#36)
Those people buy junkfood because they're irresponsible or lazy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#42. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
Arguing about shit like this detracts from the real argument of slashing the FedGov by a good 75% to bring it back into the realm of reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: Eric Stratton (#34)
Otherwise, fine, a "safety net" is 3 months, not two years with all kinds of incentives to milk the system.
#44. To: FormerLurker (#40)
#45. To: FormerLurker, Eric Stratton, all (#42)
What is spent on food stamps is a very tiny insignificant drop in the bucket in comparison.
#46. To: buckeroo (#0)
#47. To: buckeroo (#44)
What you don't seem to realise by Bloomberg's request is that if certain people are under a welfare program by state administered funds such as the USDA Foodstamp program then the state has the power to enforce those same people on a strict diet; that is to say: the recipients must eat healthy using government funded mandates.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: FormerLurker (#47)
The only people who benefit here are the ones with financial interests in Big Pharma and healthcare.
#49. To: Turtle (#46)
#50. To: buckeroo (#44)
These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility
#51. To: FormerLurker (#47)
While I agree in principle, it's the fact that NY wishes the recipients to switch from relatively healthy foods containing sugar, to toxic ones containing Aspartame and high fructose corn syrup.
#52. To: Red Jones, buckeroo (#50)
#53. To: Turtle, Red Jones, buckeroo (#52)
I see lots of people on food stamps at the local store. They buy ice cream and candy on their food card, and at the same time buy cigarettes and beer with cash.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#54. To: Red Jones (#50)
buckeroo (in post#44): In California, apparently the foodstamp program is provided by periodic or otherwise renewed "debit cards"; and the abuse is rampant. Folks go to Hawaii, and use them, piles of folks goto LasVegas, NV and all kinds of other entertainment centers to use those same designed limited-use debit cards. These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility, as is obvious.
#55. To: Original_Intent (#33)
(Edited)
Whole Grains - Wheat, Spelt, White Corn (all yellow corn is now essentially all GMO whether intentionally or resulting from pollen contamination), Brown Rice, Quinoa, Amaranth, Teff, etc., .... There are a lot of varieties now available in this category.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: buckeroo (#51)
That isn't true. The goal is to declassify sodapop and associated "food" products from a list of "food sources" that contain inordinate amounts of sugar or substitutes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: Original_Intent (#33)
Grass Fed Beef (Grass fed is higher in the good things from beef such as Omega 3&6 Fatty acids - Stearic Acid in particular, and Cattle fed on a grass/alfalfa diet eliminate E. Coli from their systems in about 3 days - per study).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Original_Intent (#56)
Well I'd need more info, but the article was suggesting it was only SUGAR sweetened "soft drinks" that were going to be prohibited.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#59. To: buckeroo (#51)
That isn't true. The goal is to declassify sodapop and associated "food" products from a list of "food sources" that contain inordinate amounts of sugar or substitutes.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: farmfriend (#58)
Which leads to the question about which soft drinks and which sugar. As we all know it is HFCS that is the real problem, not the soda. Will they also ban throw backs, the recent introduction of soft drinks made with real sugar.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: farmfriend, Turtle, Red Jones, Original_Intent, A K A Stone (#53)
#62. To: FormerLurker (#59)
It implies that drinks using artificial sweeteners, such as Aspartame, would not be affected by the prohibition.
#63. To: buckeroo (#62)
You are incorrect.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: buckeroo (#61)
(Edited)
Today, as for my late afternoon soft palate delight to serve my family: lean porkchops peppered and inundated with olives, creamy white (cream) wine mushrooms (bell peppers from my raised bed backyard garden) and a bit of cheese sticks on the side.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)
#66. To: FormerLurker (#64)
People on food stamps would need to spend 3-4 days worth of their entitlement to buy the necessary ingredients in order to prepare that meal.
#67. To: FormerLurker (#55)
I have to disagree on a couple of those. While EXTREMELY nutritious, Quinoa and brown rice are usually more expensive than the dirt cheap white rice.
Thing is, it's impossible to buy any of that for less what what it costs to buy a huge box of Ramen.
#68. To: FormerLurker (#39)
#69. To: FormerLurker (#42)
#70. To: FormerLurker (#57)
Grass Fed Beef (Grass fed is higher in the good things from beef such as Omega 3&6 Fatty acids - Stearic Acid in particular, and Cattle fed on a grass/alfalfa diet eliminate E. Coli from their systems in about 3 days - per study).
#71. To: Original_Intent (#43)
#72. To: buckeroo (#44)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#45)
#74. To: Artisan (#18)
when i went to France i noticed very few fat, chubby, or obese people. a lot of smokers everywhere though. soda is very expensive there though. they dont drink it at all like we do here. that may be one reason.
#75. To: Eric Stratton (#73)
Precisely. The difference is orderS of magnitude. It is a couple billion versus 16 to 17 TRILLION which is a thousand billion times 16 to 17. More than the entire GDP, about 13 Trillion in current dollars, of the ENTIRE United States for one year.
#76. To: Eric Stratton (#72)
(Edited)
#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)
THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS in sufficient quantity and that is a CREATED scenario.
#78. To: Original_Intent (#67)
True, but with careful shopping, keeping a pantry with storable items, etc., it is possible to over time build up enough surplus to where you can follow a shopping regimen like mine.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: FormerLurker, Eric Stratton, James_Deffenbach, christine, bluegrass, Jethro Tull (#59)
It implies that drinks using artificial sweeteners, such as Aspartame, would not be affected by the prohibition.
#80. To: Eric Stratton (#68)
Otherwise, after family is church/charity. But not Government. If Government is the solution, well, then where we are is the natural outcome. Arguments can be made for all facets of bailouts then, both private as well as corporate.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#79)
Kosher Coke and other products are likely available in New York city year round and po' folks have found that they taste better, and they're happy to pay a premium with "free gummint munny" for them. And, the increased demand is now inconveniencing and irritating some nize, Jewish peepul who shop at stores frequented by thoughtless, selfish Goyim who buy up beverages not intended for them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
You're completely lacking a view of the big picture here.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#84. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#65)
The generic term of "sugar soft drinks" includes the substitutes. As others have said, cigarettes, alcohol and "hard goods" products are already banned from these government sponsored programs.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#85. To: Original_Intent, All (#75)
#86. To: buckeroo (#76)
#87. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#79)
#88. To: FormerLurker, All (#80)
#89. To: FormerLurker (#83)
#90. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
I can buy sugar sweetened Coca Cola in the old 10 oz bottles (bottled in Mexico) at the local hardware store for Ø1.56 per bottle,
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#91. To: Eric Stratton, FormerLurker (#89)
At some point Lurker, if we're going to get through this, people are going to have to give up all of any notions of any money/subsistence/aid/retirement WHATSOEVER!!!
#92. To: buckeroo (#91)
#93. To: Eric Stratton (#92)
#94. To: Eric Stratton, buckeroo (#88)
I will never again in my life ask for a penny of Government assistance. If family or church wants to help if some need ever arises in the future, fine, but never ever the governments again, FedGov, State, or Local!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
It is simply amazing to me that Coke ever changed their formula (in America) to use that stuff when they actually use real sugar in other parts of the world. And for what, to save a penny on a can or bottle?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker (#94)
#97. To: buckeroo, original_intent (#74)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#98. To: Artisan (#97)
i can sympathize with the soda junkies because that's pretty much my only vice. i love soda & drink at least a 32 oz dr pepper every day. i cut back sometimes, but it is difficult. but seeing as i dont smoke, drink, do dope, gamble, etc, its mild as vices go.
#99. To: Eric Stratton (#87)
(Edited)
Interestingly, check out some of the Mexican soda products, many are now made with HFCS.
#100. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
I can buy sugar sweetened Coca Cola in the old 10 oz bottles (bottled in Mexico) at the local hardware store for Ø1.56 per bottle,
#101. To: HOUNDDAWG (#100)
#102. To: Eric Stratton (#101)
All the pigs are connected to something.
#103. To: HOUNDDAWG (#102)
#104. To: HOUNDDAWG (#100)
The import duty on sugar was substantial enough to get Hershey to move major chocolate production to Mexico.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#105. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
Mayor Bloomberg is more than willing to take the necessary steps to keep Mrs. Goldblatt from having to travel all the way to the west side for her Kusha beverages.
#106. To: Eric Stratton (#103)
And what I used to think was a liberal piece of trash movie(s).
#107. To: James Deffenbach (#104)
Not that it amounted to all that much but that move to Mexico cost them my business. And some other people's too.
#108. To: HOUNDDAWG (#107)
My barber said the same thing about Hershey, and he no longer drinks Budweiser after it merged to become Anheuser-Busch InBev.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#109. To: bluegrass (#105)
Doggie noses up another nugget. Good doggie.
#110. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
I don't believe I've bought a Bud since then either.
#111. To: HOUNDDAWG (#110)
Remember New Coke?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#111)
Yes, I remember and I remember the uproar about it. Too bad the people didn't just boycott the company until the ptb decided that sugar wasn't all that expensive after all and started making Cokes with that instead of that damnable hfcs and aspartame.
#113. To: HOUNDDAWG (#112)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#114. To: HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach (#112)
(Edited)
Hell, back then people were indifferent unless drinks contained saccharin and "tasted funny".
#115. To: Dakmar (#114)
Dried flowers of the Cannabis plant
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#116. To: James Deffenbach (#115)
#117. To: Dakmar (#116)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#118. To: James Deffenbach (#113)
#119. To: Dakmar (#114)
This was the same era of the Great Marijuana Scarcity.
#120. To: Original_Intent (#98)
and I am not sure I trust the throwback because they are likely using Beet Sugar which is now mostly GMO and requires additional production steps over Cane Sugar. That is why I like Jones Soda which uses pure cane sugar. It's also more expensive and hard to find in my preferred flavors - Cola and Lemon Lime.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#121. To: Artisan (#120)
thanks for the interesting info. i have seen a resurgence of sugar drinks even here in the u.s. i did not know that the 'real sugar' they tout can also be fake gmo sugar. i also have never heard of jones soda, will look it up.
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