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Title: Tea Party Boils Over Proposed NYC Ban On Sugar Drinks
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URL Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2 ... posed-nyc-ban-on-sugar-drinks/
Published: Oct 9, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-10-09 21:19:52 by buckeroo
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You can just feel the pressure building inside the teapot. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages. The test program, which would apply to 1.7 million of NYC’s 8 million residents, would seek to discover whether the denial of these unhealthy substances will have a measurable effect on skyrocketing obesity rates, particularly among the nation’s poor. Not surprisingly, those who warn of big government sticking its nose into every facet of our lives are going crazy. If bureaucrats can tell a segment of the population that they can’t drink soft drinks, what’s next? Is it only a matter of time until the government prohibits us from eating hamburgers and hot dogs? Will apple pie, a favorite desert loaded with unhealthy sugars, cease to be the symbol of good, old fashioned American values once the government puts pies and cakes on its hit list? While it is not difficult to see the point made by those in opposition to this sort of government interference and restriction, it would be wise for everyone to take a deep breath and gain a better understanding of what we are talking about before blowing our collective stacks. There is no question but that sugary soft drinks play a substantial role in our growing obesity problem, particularly among children. There is also little disagreement that obesity leads to increased cases of type II diabetes, heart disease and any number of illnesses that present as obese children grow into adulthood. We also know that for some of these children and adults, the medical treatment they will require to deal with these illnesses throughout their lives will be provided courtesy of state and federal safety net programs paid for with taxpayer money. That means that you and I will be paying not only for the care and treatment of the illnesses brought on by these poor nutritional habits for years to come, but are already paying for the very nutritional practices that bring on the disease in the first place. What we have here is one big exercise in enabling – and it simply doesn’t make sense. Still, there are those vigorously arguing that imposing this sort of restriction means that rich people are free to destroy their bodies however they choose while the poor would be denied the same right to do the same. I don’t think this is true. For starters, New York City would not be telling food stamp recipients that they are prohibited from enjoying a Coke and a smile. Rather, the city would be temporarily requiring that those receiving aid, at the pleasure and expense of the American taxpayer, pay for that Coke out of their own pocket rather than with the food stamps we provide them. There is a huge difference between telling Americans what they may eat and drink when they are spending their own money versus telling citizens they are free to destroy their health with their food choices when the taxpayer is picking up the tab for the menu. This is particularly true when beneficiaries of the government programs make nutritional choices that virtually guarantee that they will be repaying the favor by forcing the taxpayers to pick up even larger bills down the road for the expensive health problems their choices are likely to cause. However, such logic will not stop some from continuing to argue that if an American wants to drink paint and suffer the consequences, such behavior is both their prerogative and their right in a free country. Maybe. But while I can appreciate that one who chooses to buy a Twinkie with their hard earned cash doesn’t need me to put in my two cents as to the intelligence of such a decision, when that individual elects to accept food stamps, paid for and provided by the American taxpayer, a different sort of bargain is struck. It is no longer a matter of our sticking our nose into that individual’s business. It becomes a matter of our protecting our collective investment so that the money we have available to help out those in need can reach more people with similar needs. It is simply not reasonable for food stamp recipients to ignore the fact that allowing expenditures of the people’s money on food that we know is likely to create or contribute to expensive, lifelong illnesses- illnesses the public may well be responsible to pay for – takes away from our collective ability to help others in need. It’s selfish and it’s wrong. Shouldn’t these beneficiaries have the same concern for others who find themselves in a difficult economic situation that the rest of us express by providing our tax dollars to help them out in tough times? When people fail to behave in a mature and reasonable manner, reflective of the reality of their circumstances, is it really so wrong for the government to step in and require them to do so in order to protect the rest of the public who will suffer from the behavior of those who should know better? I don’t think so. And to all those whose immediate reaction is to cry foul, shouldn’t you consider the government’s obligation to protect our taxpayer money so that we get the biggest bang for each of our bucks? Government has a legitimate interest and obligation to protect our tax dollars. Further, taxpayers cannot shout about ‘big government’ wasting our money from one side of their collective mouth and then shout from the other when the government attempts to rein in behavior that does waste our money or, at least, fails to put it to its best use. A decent society has an obligation to do what it can for the least fortunate among us just as the least fortunate among us have an obligation to use good and mature judgment when accepting our contributions to their welfare. Government’s willingness to require the beneficiaries of our assistance to use those benefits in a way that will not contribute to even greater taxpayer expense only makes sense. Those on the right should not allow ideology to get in the way of allowing the government to do the smart thing. As for those on the left, we would do well to recall the old saying about not biting the hand that feeds you. It is fundamentally wrong for those accepting the help of the American public to pay it forward and back by ignoring proper nutrition, thereby causing the public that helps them to assume even larger expenses down the road. This is not a matter of of human dignity, respect or rights. It is a matter of a basic level of maturity that we have a right to expect.
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"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The idea of "hot food" is that it is a prepared presentation which (of course) incurs costs to the welfare recipient's monthly allotment. The goal of welfare food stamps is for the recipient to prepare their own food at home with common sense ingredients about nutritional value for their own families, thus improving their own lives. I like what you said. I want a maximum of common-sense restrictions on awards to people in need whole ensuring a maximum of societal benefits. And, if the recipients don't like it ... FUCK 'em.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I appreciate that joke, buckeroo talking about people being irresponsible. buckeroo's never been irresopnsible. the people who engaged in derivatives trade thus causing toxic assets and requiring billions or trillions in bailouts were not irresponsible. etc etc etc our government spends a ton of money on people being irresopnsible. Being irresponsible is normal. why do you single out the poor in this concern of yours'? maybe those people from California who spent their food stamp cards in Las Vegas or Hawaii were staying with relatives in those states. Las Vegas has a ton of poor people in it who cannot find jobs. and for people who try to get jobs at casinos where union membership is required, they find that only mexicans are allowed to join the union. so these jobs you speak of are not always available to the poor.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
That isn't true. The goal is to declassify sodapop and associated "food" products from a list of "food sources" that contain inordinate amounts of sugar or substitutes. You are not watching the issue, at all, but thinking about surreal replacements can be used and is state government sponsored. That is farther from the truth.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I see lots of people on food stamps at the local store. They buy ice cream and candy on their food card, and at the same time buy cigarettes and beer with cash. I asked one clerk how much of their business is food cards, and he said one- third.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
I asked one clerk how much of their business is food cards, and he said one- third. We all know I'm anti regulation but the government, like everyone else, has the right to say how its money is spent. Controlled by the will of the people of course. We have already said that the "sin" of cigarettes and alcohol can not be supported with food stamps. I don't have a problem with restrictions on other indulgences. I don't have a problem with cookies and ice cream as those technically can be made at home. Soda on the other hand...
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Red Jones (in response): maybe those people from California who spent their food stamp cards in Las Vegas or Hawaii were staying with relatives in those states. Las Vegas has a ton of poor people in it who cannot find jobs. and for people who try to get jobs at casinos where union membership is required, they find that only mexicans are allowed to join the union. Learn to read. But it is interesting you like all your friends from South of the Border to invade America, illegally. Correct? How much money do they receive in Arizona from US government give-aways because they have so-called anchor babies?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I have to disagree on a couple of those. While EXTREMELY nutritious, Quinoa and brown rice are usually more expensive than the dirt cheap white rice. Never saw Amaranth or Teff, didn't even know they were foods. The rest of what you say is quite true, where if one does the research and buys the most wholesome ingredients, and takes the time to prepare them, then it's possible to eat healthy with a comparable amount of money than what it takes to buy the average junk food. Thing is, it's impossible to buy any of that for less what what it costs to buy a huge box of Ramen.
Well I'd need more info, but the article was suggesting it was only SUGAR sweetened "soft drinks" that were going to be prohibited.
That I've only seen online for like $20 or more a pound, never seen it at a market.
Which leads to the question about which soft drinks and which sugar. As we all know it is HFCS that is the real problem, not the soda. Will they also ban throw backs, the recent introduction of soft drinks made with real sugar. And what about the other products containing HFCS. Why the focus on soda alone? And what are the odds Pepsi and Coke will allow this?
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Here's what the article says in black and white... It implies that drinks using artificial sweeteners, such as Aspartame, would not be affected by the prohibition.
And what about the other products containing HFCS. Why the focus on soda alone? And what are the odds Pepsi and Coke will allow this? Excellent questions. If anything, ALL HFCS and Aspartame products should be banned. Of course the megafood corporations might have something to say about it...
Today, as for my late afternoon soft palate delight to serve my family: lean porkchops peppered and inundated with olives, creamy white (cream) wine mushrooms (bell peppers from my raised bed backyard garden) and a bit of cheese sticks on the side. A small salad is on the side ... and afterwords not much more than a taste of frozen raspberry yogurt for desert. Of course, since I am not a Muslim I am having friends over that enjoy in a stiff drink or two beyond the pork chops.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You are incorrect.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
How so? Do you have any further information other than what is in the article?
A small salad is on the side ... and afterwords not much more than a taste of frozen raspberry yogurt for desert. People on food stamps would need to spend 3-4 days worth of their entitlement to buy the necessary ingredients in order to prepare that meal.
The generic term of "sugar soft drinks" includes the substitutes. As others have said, cigarettes, alcohol and "hard goods" products are already banned from these government sponsored programs.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
They pursued their own destiny buying soda pop. Note, I have no sugars presented from the raw ingredients and in fact, limit the meal to a serious tasty effort minimizing excess sugars, fat or cholesterol. After any meal, it is important to feel your blood coursing through your veins while having a chat with friends. It makes a meal all the worthwhile.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Never saw Amaranth or Teff, didn't even know they were foods. I'm fortunate in that I live close enough to a processor that runs an outlet store and can buy a lot of that for a good third less than in supermarkets. However, local "buying clubs" can reduce the cost. A lot of them are available in bulk bins from some chains such as WholeFoods. Amaranth is an ancient Inca Grain and is the only grain, other than Quinoa, which has a full complement of Amino Acids. It is extremely nutritious and like Quinoa can be added in small amounts to other foods to produce nutritional balance. Teff is again a grain recovered, like Spelt and Kamut, from near extinction and is very nutritious. The problem with White Rice is that it loses a lot of the nutrition with the hull. As well a lot of American White (and brown) rice has been contaminated, like Yellow Corn, with GMO Pollen. There are a fair number of countries that no longer allow the import of American Rice for that reason. The Organic Farmers, and conventional, have a lawsuit pending on that point. True, but with careful shopping, keeping a pantry with storable items, etc., it is possible to over time build up enough surplus to where you can follow a shopping regimen like mine. What I do to save money and still eat well is to bargain hunt. Because I have food in the pantry I never run into the situation where I have to buy cheap junk in a short budget period, but instead get only what I absolutely must, and rely on my stockpile to weather the period of short money. The rest of the time I'll "over shop" on sale and bargain items that have good food value that also have a long shelf life. Recently I ran into a deal on Organic Fair Trade Cane Sugar and got a ten pound bag (a year's supply for me) at half off - $8 instead of $18. It requires constantly being aware of what you are buying and whether it is a good value, a fair value, or an exceptional value. I also shop a store that deals in close outs and odd lots. While a lot of the stuff is standard supermarket junk a fair amount is also Organic and good quality. Another example was New Zealand Mussels - a gourmet item costing $5 at a Whole Foods or such - for 99¢. So, I had gourmet Mussels as a nutritious treat for a couple of weeks. Shopping the way I do also requires being flexible in what you eat and being willing to research recipes. It is like another deal I ran into - real imported English Aged Double Gloucester for 1.99 each for a 500 gm waxed wheel. 8 bucks, or better, in any gourmet cheese shop. So, I ate Whole Milk Double Gloucester instead of Cheddar for a while. The English may not be famous for their Wines but they do turn out some damn good cheese. Saving just means shopping wisely, and thinking ahead. Oh, and cooking from scratch instead of buying pre-made over-sugared, over-salted shit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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That I've only seen online for like $20 or more a pound, never seen it at a market. While I generally buy it locally there are a couple of places I've found online that average 6 to 7 dollars a pound. Whole Foods will occasionally put grass fed hamburger on sale for about 4 bucks a pound and when they do I stock up and freeze it. Slankers is a good one to mail order from as is Alton Springs Ranch. In those cases you are buying direct and it pays to order enough to justify the shipping cost. There's another one I like but name is eluding me at the moment - in the midwest and the woman who runs it, with her husband, is a Vet and inspects all of the cattle herself and has them processed locally under tight restrictions. While not certified and organic Belle Brook Farms in Texas sells Belgian Blue beef at good prices, and Belgian Blues are naturally higher in the good stuff than most other cattle. The key is to stay away from meat that has been raised on a grain diet as the cattle are not designed to metabolize it properly, they are ruminants and grass eaters by design, and so it results in diseased cattle. If you see that sign that says "Grain Fed Beef" you should interpret it as "Heart Attack on the Hoof". I would be hypocritical if I said I ate exclusively grass fed, but when at all possible that is my preference. That and Buffalo in preference to beef.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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I agree with you. Although the claims in America can of nutritious value for pre-processed foods, the same technologies have permitted a fat and lazy group. We have the fattest people on the planet and just as you said, all anyone has to do is take a peek outside to see the truth. And for anyone to see my perspective: anyone receiving government payments can not vote or influence voting. This means EVERYONE from large government military companies to individuals receiving a buck or two for welfare, such as food-stamps. It also means government employees high or low in the strata; politicians are included, of course.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It's the principle. I'm finished here. But if you favor this, then it precludes you from arguing against other such programs. I disagree and it does not preclude anything. Which principle do you agree with more: Fuck'em let'em starve in the alley? Or, because we are dealing with a created economic problem first solve the problem and then do away with the unnecessary programs? You miss the point - there are no jobs even for those looking earnestly. And it is an employer's market. I saw a job listing for a job the other day that used to require a H.S. Diploma - and the employer is stipulating a BACHELOR'S Degree for the position - in a warehouse setting. It is an employer's market wherein, since they have a surplus of applicants (sometimes 50 OR MORE applicants for a position) so that employers are stipulating their ideals for the position rather than having to take the best from what is available. Maybe it has not sunk in but we are in a MAJOR DEPRESSION the likes of which has not been seen since the 1930's. THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS in sufficient quantity and that is a CREATED scenario.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are welcome, Eric. But the issues are far beyond free or individual determinism about healthy foods when someone applies for state assistance. I am confident the US government working with local governments have also setup information methods of nutrition for individuals/families receiving some form of subsistence. Sodapop is already not included. And that means, many individuals that apply for assistance programs are lying out their teeth when they abuse the rules they are supposed to abide by. I should research this point... yep, it exists: www.nutrition.gov/nal_dis...nfo_center=11&tax_level=1 So, you and I are agreed about common sense perspectives about how these programs should work. And, here is more: Using SNAP You will receive an Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) card when you are certified to receive SNAP benefits. The SNAP office will explain how to use it, and will supply you a personal identification number (PIN). Keep this number safe, so that no one else can use your SNAP benefits. (In some areas, States are still using paper coupons, but they are being phased out.) Take your EBT card to the grocery store where you want to shop, select the food items you want to buy with it, and take them to the checkout counter. SNAP benefits can only be used for food and for plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy: * Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics * Alcoholic beverages and tobacco * Vitamins and medicines * Any food that will be eaten in the store * Hot foods Once your eligible food items have been totaled at the cash register, you will pass your EBT card through a point-of-sale (POS) terminal in the check out line. In most cases, the POS terminal connects with a computer where your SNAP benefits are stored. In some States, the benefits are actually stored on the card. The cost of the SNAP items you purchase will be subtracted from the amount in your SNAP EBT account, up to the balance remaining in your SNAP EBT account. Once your SNAP EBT transaction is complete, you will receive a receipt that shows the amount of your SNAP purchase and the amount of SNAP benefits remaining in your EBT account. You should keep these receipts so you know how much of the SNAP benefits remain in your EBT account each time you go to the store. You should also keep these receipts as your record of SNAP purchases in case there are problems with your account. Last modified: 05/19/2010 Of course it doesn't discuss sodapop... then again, that is what the thread's article is ALL about.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Whats jobs got to do with sodapop?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
With my income I could horde things like grains and such without any issues, but for those less fortunate who don't have enough money to make it through an entire month, it's not feasible. That being said, I've noticed those from poor economic backgrounds are VERY fussy in what they eat, and will choose crap food over good food much of the time, as that is what they were raised on. Myself, I'll eat anything other than liver, except for chicken livers in New Orleans dirty rice, or in a pate. What they should do is organize trips to the market for those on assistance, and show them what they should buy, and how to prepare it. Many have never been exposed to some of things you mention, and would never try it if offered to them. They just need to adjust their taste buds.
You know what this may be about? I can buy sugar sweetened Coca Cola in the old 10 oz bottles (bottled in Mexico) at the local hardware store for Ø1.56 per bottle, and it's sometimes available at our local indy food store. And, our local ShopRite® stores also stock Coke with sugar for Passover. (cause it bee koosha) Kosher Coke and other products are likely available in New York city year round and po' folks have found that they taste better, and they're happy to pay a premium with "free gummint munny" for them. And, the increased demand is now inconveniencing and irritating some nize, Jewish peepul who shop at stores frequented by thoughtless, selfish Goyim who buy up beverages not intended for them. THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW! Mayor Bloomberg is more than willing to take the necessary steps to keep Mrs. Goldblatt from having to travel all the way to the west side for her Kusha beverages. I mean, her health isn't so good anymore and there are so many young, menacing schwartzes and pickpockets on the subway.... _____________________________ "Some people see the yellow caps or “OU-P” symbol and know exactly what's up. But to clarify, here are five things to know about Passover-friendly soft drinks: 1. Passover starts on April 9 this year, and usually a couple weeks leading up to the Jewish holiday, we start seeing Passover Coke. 2. All year long, corn syrup is kosher per se, except during Passover when Jews avoid most grains (see ya, corn). That means sodas are naturally kosher the rest of the year, but during the holiday, kosher needs to involve real sugar, not corn syrup. 3. Major soda brands that usually roll out special "Kosher for Passover" lines include Coke, Sprite, Sierra Mist, and Pepsi (and new this year, Pepsi Throwback is also made with real sugar). The deli's mascot drink Dr. Brown's also does their black cherry and cream soda varieties in two-liter bottles and six-pack cans. Sorry, no progress on Cel-Ray yet. Here is a full list of other Kosher-safe beverages. 4. Most average grocery stores will carry the sugar-bearing goods. You shouldn't have to make a special trip to a Jewish neighborhood. According to UOKosher.org, focused areas include: the New York metropolitan area, Boston, Baltimore-Washington, Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles. 5. So where exactly can you buy Passover Coke? Gothamist reports that bottles can be already spotted at the Upper West Side and Harlem Fairways, and keep your eyes peeled at most Key Foods, Associated, and A&P stores. For more national info, check out this thread on BevNet."
My point is this. If we are looking for ways to cut spending, we should start with the most blatently obscene form of welfare, and that is welfare for multi- billionares, and for nations who not only don't need it, but who use that money to kill and oppress an entire race of people. As far as pinching the pennies for those Americans who are experiencing hard times due to no fault of their own, that should be the least of our concerns. Those who DO abuse the system and who COULD work yet choose not to should be weeded out, yet what are we going to do with their children, should we just let them starve as well? With starvation comes desperation, and with desperation comes things we may not wish to experience first hand.
THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW! That could very well be part of the reason, besides the fact the Big Pharma and health industries would love to see a rash of new business. And oh yeah, if the hordes of people on food stamps in New York all start consuming Aspartame laced drinks due to not being able to purchase regular soft drinks, then we can expect the amount of federal money going to the New York Medicaid program to skyrocket. So much for "saving money".
The big picture is that for ever tax dollar you give the government, much of it goes to the military, intelligence and security agencies, Israel, the other myraid number of government agencies, and perhaps 5 cents or less to the poor.
That's what I'm getting out of this. They are demonizing soft drinks without targeting the real culprit. They have to show they are doing something. Case of trimming the bush so the whole tree doesn't die.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe only people who benefit here are the ones with financial interests in Big Pharma and healthcare.
#49. To: Turtle (#46)
#50. To: buckeroo (#44)
These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility
#51. To: FormerLurker (#47)
While I agree in principle, it's the fact that NY wishes the recipients to switch from relatively healthy foods containing sugar, to toxic ones containing Aspartame and high fructose corn syrup.
#52. To: Red Jones, buckeroo (#50)
#53. To: Turtle, Red Jones, buckeroo (#52)
I see lots of people on food stamps at the local store. They buy ice cream and candy on their food card, and at the same time buy cigarettes and beer with cash.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#54. To: Red Jones (#50)
buckeroo (in post#44): In California, apparently the foodstamp program is provided by periodic or otherwise renewed "debit cards"; and the abuse is rampant. Folks go to Hawaii, and use them, piles of folks goto LasVegas, NV and all kinds of other entertainment centers to use those same designed limited-use debit cards. These same folks have shown a sense of irresponsibility, as is obvious.
#55. To: Original_Intent (#33)
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Whole Grains - Wheat, Spelt, White Corn (all yellow corn is now essentially all GMO whether intentionally or resulting from pollen contamination), Brown Rice, Quinoa, Amaranth, Teff, etc., .... There are a lot of varieties now available in this category.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: buckeroo (#51)
That isn't true. The goal is to declassify sodapop and associated "food" products from a list of "food sources" that contain inordinate amounts of sugar or substitutes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: Original_Intent (#33)
Grass Fed Beef (Grass fed is higher in the good things from beef such as Omega 3&6 Fatty acids - Stearic Acid in particular, and Cattle fed on a grass/alfalfa diet eliminate E. Coli from their systems in about 3 days - per study).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, Original_Intent (#56)
Well I'd need more info, but the article was suggesting it was only SUGAR sweetened "soft drinks" that were going to be prohibited.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#59. To: buckeroo (#51)
That isn't true. The goal is to declassify sodapop and associated "food" products from a list of "food sources" that contain inordinate amounts of sugar or substitutes.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has requested that the USDA permit his city to engage in a two year experimental program whereby recipients of food stamps – issued by the USDA- would be banned from using the government food assistance program for the purchase of sugar-sweetened beverages.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: farmfriend (#58)
Which leads to the question about which soft drinks and which sugar. As we all know it is HFCS that is the real problem, not the soda. Will they also ban throw backs, the recent introduction of soft drinks made with real sugar.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: farmfriend, Turtle, Red Jones, Original_Intent, A K A Stone (#53)
#62. To: FormerLurker (#59)
It implies that drinks using artificial sweeteners, such as Aspartame, would not be affected by the prohibition.
#63. To: buckeroo (#62)
You are incorrect.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: buckeroo (#61)
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Today, as for my late afternoon soft palate delight to serve my family: lean porkchops peppered and inundated with olives, creamy white (cream) wine mushrooms (bell peppers from my raised bed backyard garden) and a bit of cheese sticks on the side.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)
#66. To: FormerLurker (#64)
People on food stamps would need to spend 3-4 days worth of their entitlement to buy the necessary ingredients in order to prepare that meal.
#67. To: FormerLurker (#55)
I have to disagree on a couple of those. While EXTREMELY nutritious, Quinoa and brown rice are usually more expensive than the dirt cheap white rice.
Thing is, it's impossible to buy any of that for less what what it costs to buy a huge box of Ramen.
#68. To: FormerLurker (#39)
#69. To: FormerLurker (#42)
#70. To: FormerLurker (#57)
Grass Fed Beef (Grass fed is higher in the good things from beef such as Omega 3&6 Fatty acids - Stearic Acid in particular, and Cattle fed on a grass/alfalfa diet eliminate E. Coli from their systems in about 3 days - per study).
#71. To: Original_Intent (#43)
#72. To: buckeroo (#44)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#45)
#74. To: Artisan (#18)
when i went to France i noticed very few fat, chubby, or obese people. a lot of smokers everywhere though. soda is very expensive there though. they dont drink it at all like we do here. that may be one reason.
#75. To: Eric Stratton (#73)
Precisely. The difference is orderS of magnitude. It is a couple billion versus 16 to 17 TRILLION which is a thousand billion times 16 to 17. More than the entire GDP, about 13 Trillion in current dollars, of the ENTIRE United States for one year.
#76. To: Eric Stratton (#72)
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#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)
THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS in sufficient quantity and that is a CREATED scenario.
#78. To: Original_Intent (#67)
True, but with careful shopping, keeping a pantry with storable items, etc., it is possible to over time build up enough surplus to where you can follow a shopping regimen like mine.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: FormerLurker, Eric Stratton, James_Deffenbach, christine, bluegrass, Jethro Tull (#59)
It implies that drinks using artificial sweeteners, such as Aspartame, would not be affected by the prohibition.
#80. To: Eric Stratton (#68)
Otherwise, after family is church/charity. But not Government. If Government is the solution, well, then where we are is the natural outcome. Arguments can be made for all facets of bailouts then, both private as well as corporate.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#79)
Kosher Coke and other products are likely available in New York city year round and po' folks have found that they taste better, and they're happy to pay a premium with "free gummint munny" for them. And, the increased demand is now inconveniencing and irritating some nize, Jewish peepul who shop at stores frequented by thoughtless, selfish Goyim who buy up beverages not intended for them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
You're completely lacking a view of the big picture here.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#84. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#65)
The generic term of "sugar soft drinks" includes the substitutes. As others have said, cigarettes, alcohol and "hard goods" products are already banned from these government sponsored programs.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#85. To: Original_Intent, All (#75)
#86. To: buckeroo (#76)
#87. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#79)
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