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Title: The Stormberger Prophecies (Very intriguing!)
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Published: Oct 10, 2010
Author: James Donahue
Post Date: 2010-10-10 11:06:55 by christine
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He Saw The Future

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The Stormberger Prophecies

By James Donahue

(Reprinted From First Edition of Psiomni Magazine)

It was on or about 1830 that Matthias Stormberger, a lowly cow herder at Rabenstein, Germany, recorded some remarkable visions of the future.

This man from out of common stock gave such specific descriptions of a future world, three world wars, the Great Depression, a falling away of the Christian church, and finally the end of times. His prophetic visions are startling.

Whether told in his own words, interpreted from German, or written by others who heard Stormberger57;s prophetic visions, is not clear. What we know is that the prophecies are brief, but loaded with accurate and vivid images of events that occurred long after Stormberger told of them.

His prophecy:

"Iron rods will be built and iron monsters will bark through the wilderness." This is clearly a description of a railroad. James Watt of Scotland built the first steam engine in 1774 and early designs of steam powered engines that pulled cars on iron rail were already appearing in Europe and areas of the United States by 1830. Whether Stormberger saw these engines operating is unclear, but his description of "iron monsters" barking through the wilderness is almost poetic for anyone old enough to remember the actual sound of trains pulled by steam engines.

"Cars without horses and shaft will come . ." It was a German, Karl Fredrick Benz, who designed the first automobile powered by a gasoline engine. He patented his car in 1879, nearly 50 years after Stormberger perceived it. Yet the concept of a four-wheeled vehicle powered by a motor was much older. French designer Nicholas Joseph Cugnot built a steam-powered machine to haul artillery for the French military in 1725. The famed Leonardo da Vinci designed the concept of both an automobile and the airplane during the 1400s. Stormberger57;s vision, however, identified "cars." He saw many of them "without horses and shaft." In the days of horse-drawn wagons, there was a long wooden shaft on the front of the wagon on which a team of horses was attached.

"And man will fly through the air like birds." Leonardo da Vinci studied flight in the 1480s. He left over 100 drawings illustrating his theories on flight. But his flying machine, which was, in effect, a helicopter was never built. Brothers Joseph and Jacques Montgolfier invented the first successful hot air balloon, and the first manned flight occurred in 1783, long before Stormberger made his prediction. It was not until the Wright brothers made their famous flight with a motorized craft in 1900 that aviation became a reality. And men do, indeed, fly through the air today like birds. The skies are filled with aircraft of every description.

Here is where Stormberger57;s visions start getting interesting. His next sentence states that "The Catholic faith will almost completely disappear, the religiousness will be quite badly respected, they will not earn any respect due to their way of living." We are today witnessing the decline of the power of the Roman Catholic Church, largely following the revelations of the massive cover-up of pedophilia between priests and young boys that has been secretly occurring in churches all over the world. That cover-up went all the way into the Vatican. Donahue foresees the end of the Catholic Church. He says there will be one final Pope after Benedict XVI.

"There won57;t be many good Christians among the people, the Commandments of God are no longer respected by the aristocracy as well as by the smallest worker." Again we are witnessing the decline of the Christian faith in spite of the fact that the church appears today to have a grip on governments and the media. While older people are clinging to their faith, the youth are turning away from organized religion. The Iraq war, which is basically a battle between Christians and Moslems, is waking a lot of people up to the fallacies of religiosity. There is a quest for a new spiritual path, one that is best perceived in the world move toward a socialist concept of government. The outmoded and archaic religions of the world are being phased out to make way for a spiritual and mental evolution of the human race.

"One will not think the greatest unfairness to be a sin. When the faith disappears also the love of the next one will completely lose itself. One will not estimate the justice, often the poor one will not be given right and he will be less respected than a dog." And here we have a perfect description of our contemporary society. In spite of laws declaring the rights of individuals, the concept of justice is limited only to those with the means to purchase it. The courts are in league with big business and religious conservatives as they strip away laws that protect the Earth and the dignity of the poor. We are seeing a failure by most people to love so wickedness abounds.

"After this a mischief will arise that has to be regretted, there will be no order among the people." Indeed, something is about to happen that Stormberger perceives as "a mischief" that will be regretted once it begins. And because of it, chaos will prevail. What did he see? Perhaps it is release of biological or chemical agents by terrorists that sicken and kill the masses? Is it the Iraq war? A world war? That it is "mischief" suggests that it is not brought about by accidental action, but is a deliberate deed. This "mischief" apparently disrupts social order. Thus it suggests that authority is so stricken governments can no longer be effective.

"When in the outskirts of the forest the iron road will be finished, and there the iron horse will be seen, a war will begin, to last twice two years. It would be fought with iron fortresses that move without horses." This was an almost uncanny vision of World War I from a very personal perspective, even though Stromberger was not alive to witness it. He lived in the Bavarian forests bordering Czechoslovakia. On the day hostilities broke out, Aug. 1, 1914, a new railroad line between Kalteneck and Deggendorg, along the edge of the forest where Stormberger lived, was opened. The First World War lasted exactly four years. The iron fortresses that moved without horses was obviously a reference to the iron tanks used in this war.

"Two or three decades after the first war it will come one a Second War still larger. Almost all the nations of the world will be involved. Millions of men will die, without being soldiers. The fire will fall from the sky and many great cities will be destroyed." Exactly 20 years, two decades, after the conclusion of the first war, Hitler57;s troops attacked Poland and launched the first phase of World War II. Three years later, Japan attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor. There were, in effect, two wars raging on the planet, although because Germany and Japan were considered "axis powers" we considered it a single war. The fighting concluded after the United States dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. Millions died without being soldiers and fire fell from the sky with entire cities being destroyed.

And this is where Stormberger57;s visions start to get scary. He said: "And after the end of the Second Great War, a third universal conflagration will come, so that it will determine everything." Notice that he refers to the third war as a "universal conflagration." The word conflagration means "fire" or "inferno." From what we know about contemporary weaponry this appears to be a description of a nuclear conflict. Notice what else the prophet has to say about this conflict.

"There will be weapons totally new. In one day, more men will die than in all the previous wars. The battles will be accomplished with artificial weapons." Indeed, we have weaponry today that are so secret that we have only had hints of their power. Experimentation with space weaponry, mind control, low-frequency sound and a multitude of other devices that will stop entire armies cold in the field before a shot can be fired has been going on for years. China, Russia and the United States have been developing missiles that can deliver multiple nuclear warheads halfway around the world. What Stormberger perceived as "artificial weapons" were devices that fight battles from far away and at the push of the button. To the operator it might seem like a computer game. To hundreds of thousands of people on the receiving end of these weapons, it will not be a game.

"Gigantic catastrophes will happen. With the open eyes, the nations of the planet will go through these catastrophes. They won57;t know what is happening, and those that know and tell, will be silenced." This is beginning to occur. We have already witnessed the worst natural disasters ever recorded in human history. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying in massive earthquakes, mud slides, hurricanes, typhoons, bands of super tornados, and forest fires. As the world heats from greenhouse gas emissions, biting insects and super diseases are appearing.

"Everything will be different from before, and in many places the Earth will be a great cemetery. The third war will be the end of many nations." This is the very warning Donahue has been issuing. If the world cannot avoid a global nuclear war, our fate is devistating. He says he perceives China winning this war by completely destroying the United States, but in the process, is left almost destroyed from within from counter-attacks. Other nations may also be involved since this may start with a conflict in the Middle East over oil. Thus Stromberger perceives many places where the Earth will be a great cemetery. Only a remnant of humanity will be left.

Stormberger even has a timeline for this final event that puts us all right in the middle of it. He said: "You, my children, won57;t experience the largest mischief, you my grandchildren, won57;t also experience it, but the third stock, that will easily experience it."

In his final verses, Stormberger appears to be seeing a catastrophic event that is beyond his ability to explain or even properly describe. He notes that the sky and earth both burn and that people fall ill because it is the end of the world. Yet a few who manage to hide themselves under iron and stone are spared. Is it a nuclear war, a great flare from the sun, or something else?

His vision: "Over night it will take place 51; in a pub in Zwiesel (a German city known for its glass) many people will be together, and outside the soldiers will ride over the bridge. The people will run out of the forest. Those who hide themselves at the Fuchsenriegel or at the Falkenstein (a stone castle) remain spared. Who survives must have an iron heading.

"The people become ill, and nobody can help them . . ." a possible reference to radioactive poisoning or perhaps a plague? "However it will continue, and what follows then, is the end of the world. Sky and earth burn, because it is the time when everything comes to an end. And this time will be, when the wild hunt with fire and sulphur roars over the country."

After this, he said, "no humans will know anymore where Zwiesel and where Rabenstein (German towns) have been. Of all frights this will be the last. When the people fall off the bank like the flies off the wall, the last time begins. It will be horrible."

He says there may be a few survivors who bridge a journey from this dying world into another universe. The bodies will not go, however, only the cellular memory. Thus to an outside observer from the past, like Stromberger, he would see people dropping "like flies off the wall."

Amazingly, Stormberger looks even beyond this final event to a time in the distant future when he sees a pastoral scene: "But when however, someone at the whole Danube stream finds still another cow, then she is worth it to be attached with a silver bell by the owner.

"After these events it will be a miracle, if one still sees two or three rulers going together, after these events the clarity will be anew, and those who survived, will face a good time for hope."

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#1. To: randge (#0)

speaking of taking us into hell....

christine  posted on  2010-10-10   11:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

They wont know what is happening, and those that know and tell, will be silenced.

Of all of his beyond the horizon vision, I found the above to be the most intriguing. It is totally out of place, as the gentleman is speaking of time, weapons, places and yet how on earth did the above insert itself????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   11:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine, randge, 4 (#0)

This guy makes Nostradamus look like a moron.

We shall see...

Lod  posted on  2010-10-10   11:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#2)

and those that know and tell, will be silenced.

Governments muzzling the press?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-10   11:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#4)

Governments muzzling the press?

Totally controlling the press or media, yes sir.

And to my mind FORCEFULLY muzzling any individual that might raise their voice.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   11:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod (#3)

This guy makes Nostradamus look like a moron.

We shall see...

Sir Lod...

Nostradamus was a very highly educated man, a physician, where this gentleman was a cow herder, nothing more. To my mind, he did not try to hide or encrypt anything as it was beyond his character and education.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   11:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

Interesting prophecies, but I found the commentary of James Donahue rather irritating. lol I'm assuming he's a liberal, a globalist and a New Ager.. lol

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-10   11:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom, 4 (#6)

To my mind, he did not try to hide or encrypt anything as it was beyond his character and education.

Exactly.

He just reported what his visions revealed to him.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-10   11:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#5)

And to my mind FORCEFULLY muzzling any individual that might raise their voice.

About the coming war and what it is really about?

Seems suggestive that rulers don't want the truth about the war told to the citizenry. Not so different than the WMD fraud that got us into Iraq.

So "silencing" might be controlling the internet, controlling TV and papers, silencing outfits like Antiwar.com or Alex Jones or politicians like Walter Jones or Ron Paul. Also muzzling any military men who know the truth about war preparations or which nations are actually involved.

It suggests that the vast majority of those who die in WW III won't know who is killing them or the real reason why.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-10   11:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#8)

He just reported what his visions revealed to him.

Yes.

He forecast the rise and fall of Hitler, so Hitler had the majority of his predictions destroyed.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   11:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#0)

The battles will be accomplished with artificial weapons.

That makes no sense. Are the deaths artificial too? I bet something was lost in the translation.

All of this is interesting. If it's genuine. without a history of the document, I doubt it. Any one of us could write something like that.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-10   12:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative, Christine, Lod (#9)

It suggests that the vast majority of those who die in WW III won't know who is killing them or the real reason why.

Have to give you and A+++ on that.

We are living and seeing with our own eyes exactly what the gentleman predicted.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   12:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#8)

Thinking about it, most of the revelations/visions have been to common folks; the shepherds in the field, this guy, and the maid of Orleans come to mind.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-10   12:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#13)

Thinking about it, most of the revelations/visions have been to common folks;

True.

Common folks are most apt to tell what they have seen within their mind, as it was portrayed to them, without embellishments.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   12:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: irishthatcherite (#7)

I noticed that too.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-10   12:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod, christine, randge, abraxas, farmfriend, all (#3)

This guy makes Nostradamus look like a moron.

We shall see...

Nostradamus predictions for this time are actually quite similar. It would take me a while to look up the exact qautrains.

From memory - the gist of it is that we are in a time of great troubles, and many will die, that the Eagle (his term) will rise from the ashes, and the period of travail to be followed by a thousand years of peace.

I think I find his visions somewhat more palatable.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   12:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#13)

Thinking about it, most of the revelations/visions have been to common folks; the shepherds in the field, this guy, and the maid of Orleans come to mind.

The first thing that came into my head too upon reading "a lowly cow herder".

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-10   12:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA (#15)

I noticed that too

He even managed sneak in AGW at one point. lol

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-10   12:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom, Lod (#6) (Edited)

This guy makes Nostradamus look like a moron.

We shall see...

Sir Lod...

Nostradamus was a very highly educated man, a physician, where this gentleman was a cow herder, nothing more. To my mind, he did not try to hide or encrypt anything as it was beyond his character and education.

I would tend to have a slightly different view. Nicolai Nostradamus did encrypt much of his prophecy in poetic quatrains out of fear of the inquisition. I agree that it was not in keeping with his apparent character, and he was despite all a devout Christian, but his desire to not be the centerpiece at a barbecue caused him to be cautious.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   12:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)

What of his infamous August 1999 prophecy? Some say a misplaced apostrophe while translating meant we get "King of Terror" instead of what was supposedly meant to be "King of Appeasers".

Now if the quatrain said; "In the year 2001 and 9 months..." lol

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-10   12:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#16)

I think I find his visions somewhat more palatable.

Stormberger spoke of the depression after WW1, in that farms could be bought with little gold.

It is rather odd that that did in fact happen in large numbers in Germany. One of the first things Hitler did after gaining power was to nullify all sales of farms of over 15 acres that had taken place since WW1.

The government repaid whatever the farm price was to the purchaser and the land was returned to its original owners. Thereafter to thwart foreign ownership of farms, such could not be sold or transferred other than thru inheritance.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   12:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: irishthatcherite (#20)

What of his infamous August 1999 prophecy? Some say a misplaced apostrophe while translating meant we get "King of Terror" instead of what was supposedly meant to be "King of Appeasers".

Now if the quatrain said; "In the year 2001 and 9 months..." lol

One of the problems of course is that because he did hide everything in plain sight because of that poetic allegory and allusion he is cursedly hard to decrypt until after the fact. And sometimes things are slight off e.g.,

"A man named Hisler shall arise
Captain of Great Germany..."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   12:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#19)

...but his desire to not be the centerpiece at a barbecue caused him to be cautious.

Thanks.

That makes solid sense.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-10   12:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lod (#23)

That makes solid sense.

The church had a bad habit of inviting heretics to marshmallow roasts.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   12:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent, Lod, christine, randge, abraxas, buckeroo, Armadillo (#16)

Prophecy is difficult to analyze. I do have issues with the authors interpretations of not only the prophecies but current events. His statement that the Earth is warming from anthropogenic CO2 calls all into question. Also his recycling of the 50 nuclear scare is yesterdays news. I doubt seriously that the coming WWIII would involve global nuclear conflagration. Such would threaten the very existence of the global elites. They are the ones that control wars. I have no doubt they wouldn't hesitate to kill millions but they won't put their own lives in jeopardy. I would sooner attribute prophesied global conflagration to an extra terrestrial collision or super volcano than nukes. I can see contrived food, water and energy shortages causing the break down of governments and monetary systems. Riots in the streets? Mass chaos? yes but not a global nuclear war.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   12:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom, TwentyTwelve (#21)

I think I find his visions somewhat more palatable.

Stormberger spoke of the depression after WW1, in that farms could be bought with little gold.

It is rather odd that that did in fact happen in large numbers in Germany. One of the first things Hitler did after gaining power was to nullify all sales of farms of over 15 acres that had taken place since WW1.

The government repaid whatever the farm price was to the purchaser and the land was returned to its original owners. Thereafter to thwart foreign ownership of farms, such could not be sold or transferred other than thru inheritance.

Clairvoyance, even among the most gifted seems to have its variabilities. In part I chalk that up to the malleability of the future. There is more than one future with greater and lesser probability among each, and to some degree foreknowledge seems to have the ability to cause small bifurcations which over time become great divergences. Nostradamus seems to have known this and picked the right path the vast majority of the time.

Stormberger I was not familiar with prior to this thread so don't really know enough to comment on his accuracy beyond what is presented here. That he was one with a stronger than average gift does however seem clear.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   12:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom, TwentyTwelve (#25)

Prophecy is difficult to analyze. I do have issues with the authors interpretations of not only the prophecies but current events. His statement that the Earth is warming from anthropogenic CO2 calls all into question. Also his recycling of the 50 nuclear scare is yesterdays news. I doubt seriously that the coming WWIII would involve global nuclear conflagration. Such would threaten the very existence of the global elites. They are the ones that control wars. I have no doubt they wouldn't hesitate to kill millions but they won't put their own lives in jeopardy. I would sooner attribute prophesied global conflagration to an extra terrestrial collision or super volcano than nukes. I can see contrived food, water and energy shortages causing the break down of governments and monetary systems. Riots in the streets? Mass chaos? yes but not a global nuclear war.

I should have pinged you two to my above post. My apologies.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   12:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom, TwentyTwelve (#26)

Clairvoyance, even among the most gifted seems to have its variabilities. In part I chalk that up to the malleability of the future. There is more than one future with greater and lesser probability among each, and to some degree foreknowledge seems to have the ability to cause small bifurcations which over time become great divergences. Nostradamus seems to have known this and picked the right path the vast majority of the time.

Stormberger I was not familiar with prior to this thread so don't really know enough to comment on his accuracy beyond what is presented here. That he was one with a stronger than average gift does however seem clear.

I find the theory of the Holographic Universe very interesting. It is a scientific explanation for second sight and clairvoyance.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   12:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent, irishthatcherite (#22)

"A man named Hisler shall arise Captain of Great Germany..."

I think you are quoting that incorrectly. First the name used was Hister which was the name of a river at the time. We need to go back and look at the exact quatrain.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   12:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend (#25)

I doubt seriously that the coming WWIII would involve global nuclear conflagration.

My thought was that it could just as well be describing a near impact event, but just short of an extinction level event.

Such would threaten the very existence of the global elites. They are the ones that control wars. I have no doubt they wouldn't hesitate to kill millions but they won't put their own lives in jeopardy.

Given the numbers of deep underground hardened bunkers/shelters, along with the arctic seed vault, they are building, and have built, it does make me wonder if they know something we don't? The pattern seems to be one as though they anticipate the surface of the planet to be unlivable for some indefinite period of time.

...I have no doubt they wouldn't hesitate to kill millions but they won't put their own lives in jeopardy. I would sooner attribute prophesied global conflagration to an extra terrestrial collision or super volcano than nukes. I can see contrived food, water and energy shortages causing the break down of governments and monetary systems. Riots in the streets? Mass chaos? yes but not a global nuclear war.

As to what the Global Elite's next series of moves are it is a good question. I follow as closely as I can with my limited, compared to theirs, access to a broad spectrum of information, but all I know for sure is that they are not done, yet, with their "games". And I think you "misunderestimate" the degree of their psychoses. If they thought it to their advantage they would not hesitate to set off a global thermonuclear war. So far it appears not to have been and there are forces acting against it so they have been constrained from doing so. However, they may yet still try it.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: farmfriend (#29)

"A man named Hisler shall arise Captain of Great Germany..."

I think you are quoting that incorrectly. First the name used was Hister which was the name of a river at the time. We need to go back and look at the exact quatrain.

I think you are right but I would have to look. I did it from memory. I knew it was slightly off. However, that line "Captain of Great Germany seems" to rule out the river hypothesis.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#30)

And I think you "misunderestimate" the degree of their psychoses.

That much is certain. It is so outside my concept of what is normal that I have difficulty conceiving of such evil.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   13:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#2)

They wont know what is happening, and those that know and tell, will be silenced.

IMHO, he's saying that there are catastrophes that kill many people and the exact cause of this catastrophe is unknown to most, but a secret that is known to some in some nations. and in those nations they'll try to tell the others around the world - and be silenced for this. silenced means killed likely.

for example, if a huge plague kills whole nations, like biological weaponry programmed to do that. and some people will speak and accuse loudly a nation of purposely doing this, then they'll be silenced for this.

in my opinion this german fellow may have been given visions by spiritual forces. and these spiritual forces would have done this for our benefit, so that we will see things they want us to see.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-10   13:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, irishthatcherite (#29)

Beasts ferocious with hunger will cross the rivers, The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister. Into a cage of iron will the great one be drawn, When the child of Germany observes nothing.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-10   13:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: farmfriend (#28)

I find the theory of the Holographic Universe very interesting. It is a scientific explanation for second sight and clairvoyance.

That our understanding of the totality of the universe(s) and their construction and operation is by far incomplete I would not argue.

I don't pretend to have the answer but that it operates in more than the 3 apparent dimensions seems well indicated by what we can observe and infer from actions and interactions.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, irishthatcherite (#34)

In the year very not far from Venus, The two greatest ones of Asia and of Africa: They are said to have come from the Rhine and from Hister Cries, tears at Malta and the Ligurian sea-coast.

Liberty will not be regained, It will be occupied by a black, proud, villainous and unjust man: When the matter of the Pontiff is opened, The republic of Venice will be vexed by Histler.

The shocking and infamous armed one will fear the great furnace, First the chosen one, the captives not returning

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-10   13:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#26)

Stormberger I was not familiar with prior to this thread so don't really know enough to comment on his accuracy

As I have said earlier, I was intrigued by some of his views that seemed to have little or no relevance to the rest of his predictions.

Living during the time of silencing of many people does indeed stimulate ones interest.

Factual history does tell us that immediately after WW1, the German General Staff drew up the next invasion plans for France in less than ninety days of Versailles. Hitler was still an unknown corporal in the army and had nothing to do with it.

At the exact same time the American Army was updating War Plan Orange, preparing for the Japanese onslaught in the Pacific.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas, 4 (#36)

There's some YouTube vids of the Stormberger Prophecies, but they are not in English - that I could find.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-10   13:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: farmfriend (#32)

And I think you "misunderestimate" the degree of their psychoses.

That much is certain. It is so outside my concept of what is normal that I have difficulty conceiving of such evil.

Don't feel alone. Most people are so unaware that they cannot even begin to confront its existence let alone conceive of what it might do.

To a sane mind the kind of evil perpetrated by the Global Elites is unthinkable in that they would never conceive of doing such. This is how it has remained in plain view yet unseen. After all "no one in their right mind" would conceive of doing such. Creating such massive chaos and misery - let alone actually enjoy doing it.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#0)

I think we are headed to global war. It is somebody's agenda. Its obviously not ours'. but when I say 'ours' I mean us reading & discussing this article. Whoever rules our country has war as an agenda, that is extremely obvious.

problem is, foreign nations are not taking actions to avoid this agenda of war. The currency fixes, the trading system as it is, these financial imbalances, these are pre-cursors to war. The Chinese, if they want to avoid war, should let their currency float to the dollar, stop lending all money to America, stop trading with America if the Americans do not like it. This is the only way (in my opinion) that they can avoid global war. In global war, everyone will lose.

people should take george washington's prophecy seriously. it predicts that the whole world will hate us very badly and send armies here to defeat us. He said that in the early part of that war it would seem as though our cause was lost. but our people won't give up, and in time will prevail. This doesn't mean that we would be happy about the result. when they invade our country like that and we face many opponents, then we're going to be defeated even if we do succeed at defeating them.

In modern war, the weapons are so powerful that if the nations really do fight, then there will be no winners. It was always true to an extent that everybody loses in war, but now it is much more so because of how powerful the weaopns are.

the US doesn't even use its really powerful weapons. biological weaponry. DREAD weapons. drones equipped with biological weapons. we wonder when the military build-up of china will occur.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-10   13:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: farmfriend (#27)

Riots in the streets? Mass chaos? yes but not a global nuclear war.

As one that was involved in such a possible scenario long ago, global nuclear war was and is very much involved.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#31)

skeptics version

Skeptics cast doubt upon the interpretation of Nostradamus's quatrains (Randi 1993). Here is how James Randi and Cheetham read one of the more famous quatrains, allegedly predicting the rise of Adolph Hitler to power in Germany:

Bêtes farouches de faim fleuves tranner;
Plus part du champ encore Hister sera,
En caige de fer le grand sera treisner,
Quand rien enfant de Germain observa. (II.24)

Cheetham's version:

Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers,
The greater part of the battle will be against Hitler.
He will cause great men to be dragged in a cage of iron,
When the son of Germany obeys no law.

Randi's version:

Beasts mad with hunger will swim across rivers,
Most of the army will be against the Lower Danube.
The great one shall be dragged in an iron cage
When the child brother will observe nothing.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   13:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Red Jones (#33)

silenced means killed likely.

I would agree.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: abraxas (#36)

Thanks. Otherwise no comment, at this point, I'm chewing and its not polite to talk with your mind full.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: abraxas, Original_Intent, irishthatcherite (#34)

Thanks. I had been looking. I did find a site that has them all listed which I will bookmark for future reading.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   13:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#37)

Factual history does tell us that immediately after WW1, the German General Staff drew up the next invasion plans for France in less than ninety days of Versailles

that is really incredible. obviously, if the French & English wanted to avoid WW2, then they would not have bashed the germans at Versailles.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-10   13:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#39)

And I think you "misunderestimate" the degree of their psychoses.

That much is certain. It is so outside my concept of what is normal that I have difficulty conceiving of such evil.

Don't feel alone. Most people are so unaware that they cannot even begin to confront its existence let alone conceive of what it might do.

I was taught long ago, "try to see and think beyond the visual horizon".

It took awhile for me to comprehend what that meant.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: farmfriend (#42)

Well, if Randi said it was raining I would go out and check. I suspect he's tied into an intelligence agency and/or Tavistock. His function appears to be not one of "skeptic" but of perception control. The elites know full well that PSI is real and that some people have different gifts to different degrees. I think one of their great psychoses is a rabid fear that someone might read their "minds" or through clairvoyance read their plans and likely both.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#41)

As one that was involved in such a possible scenario long ago, global nuclear war was and is very much involved.

I would not presume to contradict your superior knowledge.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   13:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Red Jones (#46)

that is really incredible. obviously, if the French & English wanted to avoid WW2, then they would not have bashed the germans at Versailles.

General Hans von Seeckt, chief of the German General Staff drew up the plans for the next invasion of France thru the Ardennes, a plan that Hitler followed.

Conversely at the same time our War Dept was updating Plan Orange preparing for the Japanese invasion of American territory...and at that time the Asst. Sec of the Navy was..Franklin Roosevelt....

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#37) (Edited)

Stormberger I was not familiar with prior to this thread so don't really know enough to comment on his accuracy

As I have said earlier, I was intrigued by some of his views that seemed to have little or no relevance to the rest of his predictions.

Living during the time of silencing of many people does indeed stimulate ones interest.

Factual history does tell us that immediately after WW1, the German General Staff drew up the next invasion plans for France in less than ninety days of Versailles. Hitler was still an unknown corporal in the army and had nothing to do with it.

At the exact same time the American Army was updating War Plan Orange, preparing for the Japanese onslaught in the Pacific.

No complete and accurate history of the twentieth century has ever been written for our supposed accurate textbooks.

The real history is much darker than people would suppose.

The problem for the elites is that clairvoyance does not rely on their carefully sanitized textbooks and perception control models. That puts it outside their game in a way they cannot predict. The problem for us is making sense of what appear to have been reasonably accurate seeings.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: farmfriend (#49)

I would not presume to contradict your superior knowledge.

Good heavens young lady.

Nothing superior at all. I was just unfortunate at the time to be ensnared in plans that would have wiped out half the worlds population.

It was very serious, there were no, perhaps, maybe, possible, it was all cut and dried, just as it is today.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: abraxas, farmfriend, Original_Intent (#34)

Beasts ferocious with hunger will cross the rivers, The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister. Into a cage of iron will the great one be drawn, When the child of Germany observes nothing.

Believed to refer to the Nazis remilitarising the Rhineland.

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-10   13:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent (#51)

No complete and accurate history of the twentieth century has ever been written for our supposed accurate textbooks.

The real history is much darker than people would suppose.

Exactly.

Thus the need to "silence" people that would enlighten us as Stormberger added for some curious reason. It intrigues me.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   13:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: All (#51) (Edited)

It occurs to me that likely somewhere in the dark bowels of the Military/Intelligence Complex someone has likely spent a lot of time analyzing these future visions - although it is also enwrapped in so many levels of classification that it would take an act of God to pry them loose or even to admit it had been done (and is likely ongoing).

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#54)

No complete and accurate history of the twentieth century has ever been written for our supposed accurate textbooks.

The real history is much darker than people would suppose.

Exactly.

Thus the need to "silence" people that would enlighten us as Stormberger added for some curious reason. It intrigues me.

Perhaps he slipped through a crack or there is a perception management reason.

I have heard it suggested recently that we are being set up for a "War of The Worlds" PsyOp Scenario, and thus elements which lend credence to it, such as the recent tacit admissions of the validity of UFOs, are being seeded in to percolate through the mass perception creating fruitful grounds for planting the PsyOp.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   13:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: PSUSA (#11)

article: The battles will be accomplished with artificial weapons.

PSUSA: That makes no sense. Are the deaths artificial too? I bet something was lost in the translation.

Just a guess, probably UMEs or UnMannedEquipment. As you know, America is employing more and more UAVs and UNSs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles & Unmanned Naval Ships) ... they certainly don't take on the sense of traditional warfare as a marksman or bombardier pilot or even a manned destroyer, do they?

Modern warfare techniques are so overwhelming that the US in employing sneak-a-boo blimps (UAVs) in the sky that are solar powered and can maintain a geostationary position for over a year (with GPS) and so high up (obscure in radar detection and potential land based missile to air attacks)) that they can sense a total radius of the Earth beyond 50 miles with 3" precision (that is enough to determine if you have two nuts between your legs) and report that same digital imagery to a ground based command center.

All controlled nicely via SATCOM and other modern communication technologies.

And don't forget about cruise missile accuracy besides the "observation towers." Its just a matter of time when a small version of those same counter-measure weapons are made.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   13:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#54)

The real history is much darker than people would suppose.

Exactly.

Turtle knows all.

Jews, two percent in Russia, were over 50% of the Commnie party ("Jewish Bolshevism") and they killed about 20 million Christian Russians -- maybe even more.

There there were the million or so Germans killed after WWII, mostly by us.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-10-10   14:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#52)

Nothing superior at all. I was just unfortunate at the time to be ensnared in plans that would have wiped out half the worlds population.

It would be an understatement if I said my curiosity is piqued. lol

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-10   14:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Turdle, Cynicom, all (#58)

Hi Turdle - here to poison the thread I see.

After all we can't have people starting to think outside the approved box eh?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   14:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: farmfriend (#25)

I doubt seriously that the coming WWIII would involve global nuclear conflagration.

I guess its just limited to nuclear winter, then.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   14:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: irishthatcherite (#59)

It would be an understatement if I said my curiosity is piqued. lol

At one time I was involved with the possible scenario of dropping A-bombs on Russia/China.

Since that time it has escalated to many countries having A weapons which man is all too willing to use.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   14:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Original_Intent, turtle (#60)

Hi Turdle - here to poison the thread I see.

Turtle has always lost out with the gurls so he bugs us in resentment.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   14:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Cynicom, Turdle (#63)

I bet it makes his boyfriends happy though.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-10   14:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Cynicom (#63)

Turtle has always lost out with the gurls so he bugs us in resentment.

OI is just jealous of me.

And he has no sense of humor, taking insignificant molehills and magnifying them into mountains that exist only in his mind.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-10-10   14:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Original_Intent (#64)

I bet it makes his boyfriends happy though.

Good heavens.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   14:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Cynicom (#66)

I bet it makes his boyfriends happy though.

Good heavens.

Usually, those who accuse others of homosexuality are closet homosexuals themselves.

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson

Turtle  posted on  2010-10-10   14:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Turtle, Original_Intent (#67)

Usually, those who accuse others of homosexuality are closet homosexuals themselves.

My sexual orientation was determined very early on as I allowed only gurls to play in my sandbox. The other boys I chased away. Kept them all to myself.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   14:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeroo (#61)

I guess its just limited to nuclear winter, then.

A less than worthy response.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   15:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: farmfriend (#69)

You talked about global nuclear conflagration, has though it is limited to fire.

All I presented was the obvious ramification countering your post. Oh yeah, its coming. You can't duck or hide.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   15:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo, All (#70)

Speaking of fire, I found this nugget noodling around in sites about "Stormberger" (which may have been a pseudonym.)

Drei Städte seh ich untergehen, die eine im
Süden versinkt im Schlamm, die andere im Norden
geht im Wasser unter, die dritte ist über
dem Wasser. Die Stadt mit dem eisernen Turm
geht im Feuer unter, aber nicht durch den
Krieg. Die eigenen Leute zünden an, Revolution
wird sein.

Three cities I see falling, one in the south
sinks into the mire, another in the north
sinks into the water, and the third is across
water. The city with the iron steeple goes
down in flames. Its own people will set it
afire. There will be revolution.

www.archive.org/stream/Ad...5551Doppels.Scan_djvu.txt

What great city "across the water" from the shepherd prophet has an iron steeple or dome?? Heh-heh.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-10   18:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: buckeroo (#70)

You talked about global nuclear conflagration, has though it is limited to fire.

It was the term used in the article. I was dealing with that specific.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-10   19:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: randge (#71)

I haven't a clue. Perhaps you can suggest your own interpretation.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   19:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: farmfriend (#72)

Nuclear war is imminent despite the interpretation of apparent ramifications.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-10   19:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: randge (#71)

Hitler had most of his writings destroyed and I have been unable to find anything about his predictions and the rise of Hitler?????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-10   20:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#75)

Seems that these writing were vouchsafed in Latin by a monk at the time. Our prophet was illiterate

They were destroyed some time after 1933.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-10-10   22:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#68)

Usually, those who accuse others of homosexuality are closet homosexuals themselves.

My sexual orientation was determined very early on as I allowed only gurls to play in my sandbox. The other boys I chased away. Kept them all to myself.

I am not now nor have I ever been a Republican.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-11   0:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Cynicom (#62)

At one time I was involved with the possible scenario of dropping A-bombs on Russia/China.

Since that time it has escalated to many countries having A weapons which man is all too willing to use.

Sounds a bit like War Games. lol

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-11   0:22:58 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, christine, abraxas (#25)

The problem with prophecy like these and Nostradamus is that they can be interpreted to mean anything, by those with hindsight.
Note that sci-fi writers are able to predict future technology and social-economic conditions with much more clarity, and no claim of prophecy.
The prophecy is interesting, and may be true for all I know, but it's too vague and subject to interpretation.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-10-11   1:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Original_Intent (#77)

I am not now nor have I ever been a Republican.

LOL


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-11   1:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: irishthatcherite (#78)

Sounds a bit like War Games. lol

Well, it was a one way ticket. We took it very seriously.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-11   3:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Armadillo (#79)

The problem with prophecy like these and Nostradamus is that they can be interpreted to mean anything,

Not totally accurate.

Nostradamus thru fear encrypted his work. That leads to interpretation.

Stromberger encrypted nothing, he could neither read nor write, and his time tables are specific and proved very accurate.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-11   3:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom (#82)

Stromberger encrypted nothing, he could neither read nor write

Oh sure, that's why the BS lingers.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-11   4:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom (#81)

Well, it was a one way ticket. We took it very seriously.

I can imagine, quite a burden on one's shoulders.

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-11   8:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: irishthatcherite (#84)

I can imagine, quite a burden on one's shoulders.

Alcohol was ones only friend.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-11   8:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Cynicom (#85)

Alcohol was ones only friend.

I do hope there where no red buttons nearby.. lol

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-11   9:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: irishthatcherite (#86)

I do hope there where no red buttons nearby.. lol

Not in those early days, no red buttons.

The mail was to be delivered, first class, post paid by aircraft. The olde fashioned way. These days, humans are not involved, except with the red buttons, and they hide in underground bunkers, the cowards. hehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-11   9:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Cynicom (#87)

Not in those early days, no red buttons.

The mail was to be delivered, first class, post paid by aircraft. The olde fashioned way. These days, humans are not involved, except with the red buttons, and they hide in underground bunkers, the cowards. hehehehehe

A dangerous scenario actually.. we see on the Internet how people can be a lot braver than they are in real life, same thing really with a red button in a bunker..

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-11   9:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Armadillo, farmfriend, christine, abraxas (#79)

The problem with prophecy like these and Nostradamus is that they can be interpreted to mean anything, by those with hindsight. Note that sci-fi writers are able to predict future technology and social-economic conditions with much more clarity, and no claim of prophecy. The prophecy is interesting, and may be true for all I know, but it's too vague and subject to interpretation.

As much as I love Science Fiction, and have been hooked on it since age 7, the key difference is specificity of specific events, not just trends. While I would agree that much of what Michel de Nostradame wrote of becomes clear only after the fact he was nevertheless writing 400 hundred years ago when some of the stuff he mentions was not even conceived of in the most radical theory of the time, and some of the people mentioned were not even born until more than 300 years into the future. He championed the Copernican theory a good 100 years before Galileo's trial for heresy in doing the same.

However, it is not my wish so much to be his champion but simply to point out that the critics, and skepdicks, use much the same line of reasoning to dismiss that which their feeble intellects do not understand. Not that I am placing you in their same category as I do not. It is simply a matter of the non-physical sciences being derided by a materialist steeped culture causes us to think along the conditioned lines and thus I am seeking to run a contrary course.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-11   13:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Original_Intent, Christine, farmfriend, abraxas (#89)

It is simply a matter of the non-physical sciences being derided by a materialist steeped culture causes us to think along the conditioned lines and thus I am seeking to run a contrary course.

In researching Stormberger and others, I found several academic efforts that delved into the possibility/probability that there just may well be something here that we do not understand...namely that there is an effort to enlighten man as to his future...

I did not have time to read deeply but it seems there is much we do not understand.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-11   13:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Cynicom (#90)

I did not have time to read deeply but it seems there is much we do not understand.

With that you will get no argument. I think it is the conceit of man in every age that he/she perceives themselves atop the apex of achievement. And while there is nothing wrong with that per se, the problem is when people actually believe such that they also conceive that they already know everything worth knowing, and yet do not. Hence the closure of the Patent Office in the late 1800's because everything that could be invented had been.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-11   13:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Original_Intent (#19)

Nicolai Nostradamus

Who was Nicolai? I always thought his name was Michel de Nostradame (he was French, you know).

All that aside, it has seemed to me in recent years that he is/was nothing more than a tool for the warmongers and rapture monkeys.

Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.

PnbC  posted on  2010-10-11   14:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Cynicom, Original_Intent, Christine, abraxas (#90)

In researching Stormberger and others, I found several academic efforts that delved into the possibility/probability that there just may well be something here that we do not understand...namely that there is an effort to enlighten man as to his future...

I did not have time to read deeply but it seems there is much we do not understand.

Also there is that new prophesy thing were things are foretold based on what people are talking about on the computer or something like that. Very interesting.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-11   16:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#93)

Also there is that new prophesy thing were things are foretold based on what people are talking about on the computer or something like that. Very interesting.

I've heard about that on "Coast to Coast AM".
They look for keywords on the internet and base predictions on them. The idea being peoples choice of certain words gives insight into the collective unconscious. Not really a prophesy, more like a pseudoscience.
The predictions are pretty interesting.

Isnt there anyone prophesying anything good? It's always doom.
When Bush was still President, lots of psychics were predicting Bush would declair martial law or other things.
They were wrong, but got lots of people worked up for no reason.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-10-11   20:04:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Armadillo, Original_Intent, abraxas (#94)

Isnt there anyone prophesying anything good?

Saw a head line here the other day about the eminent demise of the Fed. Sounds like a good prophecy to me.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-11   20:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: farmfriend (#95) (Edited)

Saw a head line here the other day about the eminent demise of the Fed. Sounds like a good prophecy to me.

I dont know about "eminent", but it's a safe bet the Fed will be gone eventually.
Maybe after an audit, finding massive corruption, desolving the Fed in an orderly fashion.
Or after a revolution, where it simply ceases to exist.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-10-11   22:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: farmfriend (#93)

that's Clif High's Webbot.

christine  posted on  2010-10-11   22:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: PnbC (#92)

Nicolai Nostradamus

Who was Nicolai? I always thought his name was Michel de Nostradame (he was French, you know).

All that aside, it has seemed to me in recent years that he is/was nothing more than a tool for the warmongers and rapture monkeys.

You are right I was wrong. I don't know where the Nicolai came from, but I corrected myself elsewhere.

I've been interested in his predictions since I was a teenager (which has been at least a couple of years). My mother was interested in it and got me interested in it. Her precocious oldest was her sounding board so I learned a lot from her explorations.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   0:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: christine (#97)

that's Clif High's Webbot.

It is an intriguing concept.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-12   2:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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