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Title: October 11th, 2010 CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby
Source: oathkeepers.org
URL Source: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10 ... eper-association-to-take-baby/
Published: Oct 11, 2010
Author: not attributed
Post Date: 2010-10-11 19:53:40 by farmfriend
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October 11th, 2010

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irish’s “association” with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Court’s Order. Alex Jones’ site, in an effort to protect the privacy of the family, posted excerpts from two different documents, leading some to question where the reference actually was.

To clear that up, below you will find an embedded PDF which contains the full (though redacted) versions of the following documents: the two Petitions (one pertaining to each parent), the Court’s Ex Parte Order, the Affidavit of Dana Bickford which was attached, the Motion for Change of Venue, and lastly, the Notice to Accused Parent, explaining the legal process. We have highlighted in yellow all text where the Petitions or the Court Order refers to the Affidavit which contains reference to Oath Keepers.

By looking at the below documents, you will be able to see from the two Petitions, the Order, and Affidavit item #7, in that order, that:

1. Both Petitions state: “7. Details or Details or facts of abuse/neglect (attach separate sheet if necessary): See affidavit filed with the Concord Family Court.”

2. The Court’s Ex Parte Order states:

“Findings of Fact:

There is reasonable cause to believe that the child is in such circumstances or surroundings as would present an imminent danger to the child’s health or life, which require the immediate placement of the child for the following reasons:

See attached affidavit”

Thus, the Court’s Order does, in fact, refer to, and adopt all of the reasons given in the Affidavit as being the reasons for the order.

3. The Attached Affidavit, referenced by the Petitions and adopted by the Court as its findings of fact, includes, at #7: “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, “Oath Keepers,” and had purchased several different types of weapons, including a rifle, handgun and taser.”

This is how all such petitions are done. The same goes for a restraining order. The petition is supported by affidavit laying out the reasons, and then if the judge finds those reasons sufficient, he or she issues the order. Such orders always rely on the affidavit attached to the petition. And in this case, the Order explicitly states that the reasons in support are listed in the “attached affidavit.”

We have posted these documents with the permission of both parents, but we redacted (blacked out) all the personal information and allegations that do not pertain to Oath Keepers or gun ownership. This was done in part to respect the privacy of the family, including the kids. It is out of such concerns that family court proceedings are usually closed to the public and I think it would be improper to post the entirety of the affidavit for the same reason. If the parents choose to post a non-redacted version, they can do it themselves (we left in their address because they have given that information out in several interviews, asking for donations to their defense fund),

More to the point, we also blacked out the parts unrelated to Oath Keepers and to gun ownership because my focus in this case is on the illegitimate listing of a father’s political affiliations and his gun ownership as a reason to take his daughter away from him and also away from her mother. That the Court relied on an affidavit that explicitly lists the father’s association with Oath Keepers to issue that order makes it important to all ten thousand dues paying members of Oath Keepers (many of them current serving police and military), and also makes it important to the estimated thirty thousand people (and growing) who have “associated” with Oath Keepers in the past, or still do, on several social media sites, such as Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, on our email alert list, in the comments section of our main site, in our free state forums, or in person at our many meetings across the country, and the many additional tens of thousands who have “associated” with us at various rallies, summits, and forums across the nation.

This use of a father’s political association and his gun ownership is also important to many other Americans who don’t even associate with Oath Keepers because what happens in this case can impact the free speech and association rights of all of us, across the nation, of whatever political or social orientation. And that is why we must stand firm, now. Subscribe to *Jack-Booted Thugs*

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#3. To: farmfriend, lod, all (#0) (Edited)

Sorry FF, but i am not buying this.

Here's why:

"We have posted these documents with the permission of both parents, but we redacted (blacked out) all the personal information and allegations that do not pertain to Oath Keepers or gun ownership. This was done in part to respect the privacy of the family, including the kids. It is out of such concerns that family court proceedings are usually closed to the public and I think it would be improper to post the entirety of the affidavit for the same reason. "

Bullshit. Those "allegations" that he is hiding are why this was done in the first place. The asshole is latched onto this "its because he is in the oathkeepers" crap and is intentionally ignoring everything else, or rather he is intentionally forcing the reader to ignore everything else by hiding the info for dubious reasons.

"More to the point, we also blacked out the parts unrelated to Oath Keepers and to gun ownership because my focus in this case is on the illegitimate listing of a father’s political affiliations and his gun ownership as a reason to take his daughter away from him and also away from her mother."

And there he admits what I posted above as the reason this asshole is saying that this is all about "oathkeepers", and hiding the other aspects of the info provided.

Putting that "he;s an oathkeeper" info into the documents was stupid. But this attention whore is playing it for all it's worth, to the total self-admitted exclusion of everything else.

Lets wait and see what the real truth of the matter is. I bet it is completely different from what the OP is saying. This OP has the stench of bullshit all over it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-11   20:30:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#3)

I vote with you PSUSA. I read the non-redacted Change of Venue request. The mother had her two older children removed for neglect and the final judgement is pending. Also, the father was under a court order to attend an "End the Violence" class which he did not do. Domestic violence and child neglect are part of the picture.

They definitely made a mistake even mentioning the Oath Keepers. The info I saw also indicates he was NOT a member of the Oath Keepers. He paid no dues and seemed to be most active posting on the website. I wonder if that means they spied on his internet activity. There are much better horses to back than this POS.

octavia  posted on  2010-10-12   8:44:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#12. To: octavia (#11)

Well there we go. Small wonder that this was redacted.

I wonder if that means they spied on his internet activity.

I didnt know that they have a forum there. I wonder who the spy is. hell, I cant even figure out why the OK is even an issue.

Was it because the OK owner(s) were a source of intel? I think that is a distinct possibility.

And if he's not a member, why is the owner acting like he is?

This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I think we're still missing some pieces of the puzzle.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-12 09:13:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: octavia (#11)

vote with you PSUSA. I read the non-redacted Change of Venue request. The mother had her two older children removed for neglect and the final judgement is pending. Also, the father was under a court order to attend an "End the Violence" class which he did not do. Domestic violence and child neglect are part of the picture.

They definitely made a mistake even mentioning the Oath Keepers. The info I saw also indicates he was NOT a member of the Oath Keepers. He paid no dues and seemed to be most active posting on the website. I wonder if that means they spied on his internet activity. There are much better horses to back than this POS.

doubt if it was a "mistake"; more like an "opportunity", i bet.

The mother had her two older children removed for neglect and the final judgement is pending. Also, the father was under a court order to attend an "End the Violence" class which he did not do. Domestic violence and child neglect are part of the picture.

The State makes accusations all day long in child custody [theft] suits. I have a friend ordered to take "violence" classes after she tapped her husband with a piece of paper. He dragged her to the bedroom, threw himself on her, badly bruising her breasts, and he got off as the "victim", accusing her of sticking a gun in his ribs, a gun he'd hidden two weeks before thinking it would keep her from leaving him; a gun he couldn't produce on the night of the deed because he couldn't remember where he'd hidden it. I'd have to see the evidence [which I haven't] and hear the parents' side of the story, before I'd believe anything the State had to say. That being said, if they are what the State accuses them of, the fact that the State listed them as being a member of Oath Keepers etc. as part of their reasoning to remove the baby, will set a precedent which will be used again. I think that is the point you are missing.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-12 09:38:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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