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Title: October 11th, 2010 CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby
Source: oathkeepers.org
URL Source: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10 ... eper-association-to-take-baby/
Published: Oct 11, 2010
Author: not attributed
Post Date: 2010-10-11 19:53:40 by farmfriend
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October 11th, 2010

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irish’s “association” with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Court’s Order. Alex Jones’ site, in an effort to protect the privacy of the family, posted excerpts from two different documents, leading some to question where the reference actually was.

To clear that up, below you will find an embedded PDF which contains the full (though redacted) versions of the following documents: the two Petitions (one pertaining to each parent), the Court’s Ex Parte Order, the Affidavit of Dana Bickford which was attached, the Motion for Change of Venue, and lastly, the Notice to Accused Parent, explaining the legal process. We have highlighted in yellow all text where the Petitions or the Court Order refers to the Affidavit which contains reference to Oath Keepers.

By looking at the below documents, you will be able to see from the two Petitions, the Order, and Affidavit item #7, in that order, that:

1. Both Petitions state: “7. Details or Details or facts of abuse/neglect (attach separate sheet if necessary): See affidavit filed with the Concord Family Court.”

2. The Court’s Ex Parte Order states:

“Findings of Fact:

There is reasonable cause to believe that the child is in such circumstances or surroundings as would present an imminent danger to the child’s health or life, which require the immediate placement of the child for the following reasons:

See attached affidavit”

Thus, the Court’s Order does, in fact, refer to, and adopt all of the reasons given in the Affidavit as being the reasons for the order.

3. The Attached Affidavit, referenced by the Petitions and adopted by the Court as its findings of fact, includes, at #7: “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, “Oath Keepers,” and had purchased several different types of weapons, including a rifle, handgun and taser.”

This is how all such petitions are done. The same goes for a restraining order. The petition is supported by affidavit laying out the reasons, and then if the judge finds those reasons sufficient, he or she issues the order. Such orders always rely on the affidavit attached to the petition. And in this case, the Order explicitly states that the reasons in support are listed in the “attached affidavit.”

We have posted these documents with the permission of both parents, but we redacted (blacked out) all the personal information and allegations that do not pertain to Oath Keepers or gun ownership. This was done in part to respect the privacy of the family, including the kids. It is out of such concerns that family court proceedings are usually closed to the public and I think it would be improper to post the entirety of the affidavit for the same reason. If the parents choose to post a non-redacted version, they can do it themselves (we left in their address because they have given that information out in several interviews, asking for donations to their defense fund),

More to the point, we also blacked out the parts unrelated to Oath Keepers and to gun ownership because my focus in this case is on the illegitimate listing of a father’s political affiliations and his gun ownership as a reason to take his daughter away from him and also away from her mother. That the Court relied on an affidavit that explicitly lists the father’s association with Oath Keepers to issue that order makes it important to all ten thousand dues paying members of Oath Keepers (many of them current serving police and military), and also makes it important to the estimated thirty thousand people (and growing) who have “associated” with Oath Keepers in the past, or still do, on several social media sites, such as Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, on our email alert list, in the comments section of our main site, in our free state forums, or in person at our many meetings across the country, and the many additional tens of thousands who have “associated” with us at various rallies, summits, and forums across the nation.

This use of a father’s political association and his gun ownership is also important to many other Americans who don’t even associate with Oath Keepers because what happens in this case can impact the free speech and association rights of all of us, across the nation, of whatever political or social orientation. And that is why we must stand firm, now. Subscribe to *Jack-Booted Thugs*

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#3. To: farmfriend, lod, all (#0) (Edited)

Sorry FF, but i am not buying this.

Here's why:

"We have posted these documents with the permission of both parents, but we redacted (blacked out) all the personal information and allegations that do not pertain to Oath Keepers or gun ownership. This was done in part to respect the privacy of the family, including the kids. It is out of such concerns that family court proceedings are usually closed to the public and I think it would be improper to post the entirety of the affidavit for the same reason. "

Bullshit. Those "allegations" that he is hiding are why this was done in the first place. The asshole is latched onto this "its because he is in the oathkeepers" crap and is intentionally ignoring everything else, or rather he is intentionally forcing the reader to ignore everything else by hiding the info for dubious reasons.

"More to the point, we also blacked out the parts unrelated to Oath Keepers and to gun ownership because my focus in this case is on the illegitimate listing of a father’s political affiliations and his gun ownership as a reason to take his daughter away from him and also away from her mother."

And there he admits what I posted above as the reason this asshole is saying that this is all about "oathkeepers", and hiding the other aspects of the info provided.

Putting that "he;s an oathkeeper" info into the documents was stupid. But this attention whore is playing it for all it's worth, to the total self-admitted exclusion of everything else.

Lets wait and see what the real truth of the matter is. I bet it is completely different from what the OP is saying. This OP has the stench of bullshit all over it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-11   20:30:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#3)

I vote with you PSUSA. I read the non-redacted Change of Venue request. The mother had her two older children removed for neglect and the final judgement is pending. Also, the father was under a court order to attend an "End the Violence" class which he did not do. Domestic violence and child neglect are part of the picture.

They definitely made a mistake even mentioning the Oath Keepers. The info I saw also indicates he was NOT a member of the Oath Keepers. He paid no dues and seemed to be most active posting on the website. I wonder if that means they spied on his internet activity. There are much better horses to back than this POS.

octavia  posted on  2010-10-12   8:44:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: octavia (#11)

vote with you PSUSA. I read the non-redacted Change of Venue request. The mother had her two older children removed for neglect and the final judgement is pending. Also, the father was under a court order to attend an "End the Violence" class which he did not do. Domestic violence and child neglect are part of the picture.

They definitely made a mistake even mentioning the Oath Keepers. The info I saw also indicates he was NOT a member of the Oath Keepers. He paid no dues and seemed to be most active posting on the website. I wonder if that means they spied on his internet activity. There are much better horses to back than this POS.

doubt if it was a "mistake"; more like an "opportunity", i bet.

The mother had her two older children removed for neglect and the final judgement is pending. Also, the father was under a court order to attend an "End the Violence" class which he did not do. Domestic violence and child neglect are part of the picture.

The State makes accusations all day long in child custody [theft] suits. I have a friend ordered to take "violence" classes after she tapped her husband with a piece of paper. He dragged her to the bedroom, threw himself on her, badly bruising her breasts, and he got off as the "victim", accusing her of sticking a gun in his ribs, a gun he'd hidden two weeks before thinking it would keep her from leaving him; a gun he couldn't produce on the night of the deed because he couldn't remember where he'd hidden it. I'd have to see the evidence [which I haven't] and hear the parents' side of the story, before I'd believe anything the State had to say. That being said, if they are what the State accuses them of, the fact that the State listed them as being a member of Oath Keepers etc. as part of their reasoning to remove the baby, will set a precedent which will be used again. I think that is the point you are missing.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-12   9:38:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

My experience with CPS is them not moving soon enough to protect a child. CPS will often leave children in a dangerous situation too long in an attempt to rehabilitate the perpetrator, and "keep the family together".

Experiences: 1) Parents under investigation for 3-4 months by CPS. 4 month old baby brought dead to ER. Parents fried it on a stove burner.

2) The town derelect and his SLOW wife make 8 babies together. He beats them all. Seen in ER repetitively over years. Multiple broken bones. Call CPS, police nothing happens ever. Children raised to be beaten.

3) Admit a 2 month old brought to ER by CPS. Weighs 5#2oz but birthweight was 8#4oz. Parents admit deliberatly starving baby. Baby gains weight rapidly when simply fed. Parents from Michigan, all of 3 older children removed for neglect/abuse. Baby in foster care for 2 months and foster mother loves him. I see him at 4 months for checkup before he is released back to parents. Foster mother cries through entire visit. Next week parents and baby move out of state.

4.) Admit an addict monthly. Always found down in home unresponsive. Family once left her laying on kitchen floor for 2 days, until she began to turn blue. She has 4 children, all thin and dirty. Call CPS every damn time she is admitted. Caseworker comes in, chats her up and leaves smiling.

I have very little respect for CPS.

This mans' membership in Oath Keepers should not be an issue. But, both parents appear to have real parenting problems. If we want CPS to go away and to never interfere in parental rights, the price will be dead children.

octavia  posted on  2010-10-12   11:53:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#20. To: octavia (#19)

The real solution is to add up all the dead children that CPS has not intervened in a timely manner to save, versus all the children that CPS has saved. I dare say it will be similar to comparing the number of deaths by medical malpractice versus accidental gun death.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-10-12 11:58:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: octavia (#19)

I understand your point of view.

CPS apparently does not exist for the children, but for some other purpose, Just as the US government does not exist for the people, but to profit from them. All so-called governments and their agencies are in fact, for-profit corporations registered on Dunn & Bradstreet. Government has proved to be the child and family destroyer, not their savior.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-12 12:12:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: octavia (#19)

I have too much stuff on my computer and can't get the exact URL, but if you go to www.avoiceforchildren.com and click on the left hand side "Daily Mail", you will see something that might interest you. My computer is trying to crash, so I couldn't read it at this time:

Study: Why Child Abuse Investigations Don't Help Kids
Major, MAJOR new study- Study: Why Child Abuse Investigations Don't Help Kids By Maia Szalavitz Monday, October 4, 2010 Time ...Now a new study published Posted - Tue Oct 5, 2010 4:39 am

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-12 12:55:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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