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Title: October 11th, 2010 CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby
Source: oathkeepers.org
URL Source: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10 ... eper-association-to-take-baby/
Published: Oct 11, 2010
Author: not attributed
Post Date: 2010-10-11 19:53:40 by farmfriend
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October 11th, 2010

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irish’s “association” with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Court’s Order. Alex Jones’ site, in an effort to protect the privacy of the family, posted excerpts from two different documents, leading some to question where the reference actually was.

To clear that up, below you will find an embedded PDF which contains the full (though redacted) versions of the following documents: the two Petitions (one pertaining to each parent), the Court’s Ex Parte Order, the Affidavit of Dana Bickford which was attached, the Motion for Change of Venue, and lastly, the Notice to Accused Parent, explaining the legal process. We have highlighted in yellow all text where the Petitions or the Court Order refers to the Affidavit which contains reference to Oath Keepers.

By looking at the below documents, you will be able to see from the two Petitions, the Order, and Affidavit item #7, in that order, that:

1. Both Petitions state: “7. Details or Details or facts of abuse/neglect (attach separate sheet if necessary): See affidavit filed with the Concord Family Court.”

2. The Court’s Ex Parte Order states:

“Findings of Fact:

There is reasonable cause to believe that the child is in such circumstances or surroundings as would present an imminent danger to the child’s health or life, which require the immediate placement of the child for the following reasons:

See attached affidavit”

Thus, the Court’s Order does, in fact, refer to, and adopt all of the reasons given in the Affidavit as being the reasons for the order.

3. The Attached Affidavit, referenced by the Petitions and adopted by the Court as its findings of fact, includes, at #7: “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, “Oath Keepers,” and had purchased several different types of weapons, including a rifle, handgun and taser.”

This is how all such petitions are done. The same goes for a restraining order. The petition is supported by affidavit laying out the reasons, and then if the judge finds those reasons sufficient, he or she issues the order. Such orders always rely on the affidavit attached to the petition. And in this case, the Order explicitly states that the reasons in support are listed in the “attached affidavit.”

We have posted these documents with the permission of both parents, but we redacted (blacked out) all the personal information and allegations that do not pertain to Oath Keepers or gun ownership. This was done in part to respect the privacy of the family, including the kids. It is out of such concerns that family court proceedings are usually closed to the public and I think it would be improper to post the entirety of the affidavit for the same reason. If the parents choose to post a non-redacted version, they can do it themselves (we left in their address because they have given that information out in several interviews, asking for donations to their defense fund),

More to the point, we also blacked out the parts unrelated to Oath Keepers and to gun ownership because my focus in this case is on the illegitimate listing of a father’s political affiliations and his gun ownership as a reason to take his daughter away from him and also away from her mother. That the Court relied on an affidavit that explicitly lists the father’s association with Oath Keepers to issue that order makes it important to all ten thousand dues paying members of Oath Keepers (many of them current serving police and military), and also makes it important to the estimated thirty thousand people (and growing) who have “associated” with Oath Keepers in the past, or still do, on several social media sites, such as Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, on our email alert list, in the comments section of our main site, in our free state forums, or in person at our many meetings across the country, and the many additional tens of thousands who have “associated” with us at various rallies, summits, and forums across the nation.

This use of a father’s political association and his gun ownership is also important to many other Americans who don’t even associate with Oath Keepers because what happens in this case can impact the free speech and association rights of all of us, across the nation, of whatever political or social orientation. And that is why we must stand firm, now. Subscribe to *Jack-Booted Thugs*

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#3. To: farmfriend, lod, all (#0) (Edited)

Sorry FF, but i am not buying this.

Here's why:

"We have posted these documents with the permission of both parents, but we redacted (blacked out) all the personal information and allegations that do not pertain to Oath Keepers or gun ownership. This was done in part to respect the privacy of the family, including the kids. It is out of such concerns that family court proceedings are usually closed to the public and I think it would be improper to post the entirety of the affidavit for the same reason. "

Bullshit. Those "allegations" that he is hiding are why this was done in the first place. The asshole is latched onto this "its because he is in the oathkeepers" crap and is intentionally ignoring everything else, or rather he is intentionally forcing the reader to ignore everything else by hiding the info for dubious reasons.

"More to the point, we also blacked out the parts unrelated to Oath Keepers and to gun ownership because my focus in this case is on the illegitimate listing of a father’s political affiliations and his gun ownership as a reason to take his daughter away from him and also away from her mother."

And there he admits what I posted above as the reason this asshole is saying that this is all about "oathkeepers", and hiding the other aspects of the info provided.

Putting that "he;s an oathkeeper" info into the documents was stupid. But this attention whore is playing it for all it's worth, to the total self-admitted exclusion of everything else.

Lets wait and see what the real truth of the matter is. I bet it is completely different from what the OP is saying. This OP has the stench of bullshit all over it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-11   20:30:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#3)

Bullshit. Those "allegations" that he is hiding are why this was done in the first place. The asshole is latched onto this "its because he is in the oathkeepers" crap and is intentionally ignoring everything else, or rather he is intentionally forcing the reader to ignore everything else by hiding the info for dubious reasons.

Stewart is hiding it because we don't care about the other allegations. Did you actually read Stewart's post? Of course there are other reasons they took the baby. We are protesting the fact that Oathkeeper association was listed as a reason for taking the baby at all. Is he a scumbag? Possibly, but if he is enough of a scumbag that he needs kids taken away from him, why not throw him in jail?? All they are doing is punishing the baby girl by depriving her of her mother in the first critical days of life, when she needs to bond with the mother.

I feel like I am repeating what Stewart said to you. If he is a scumbag, he is an easy target. No one will care that we took his rights away. No one will care that now the groups and ideas you associate with can now be used against ANYONE, even if you are pure as the driven snow. We can take children away from anti abortion and homeschooling and anti illegal immigration people. Just call the groups "militias" and you get their kids.

Your thinking is not advanced enough to comprehend the concepts being debated. Just like Stewart says in the post, yeah, Padilla was a scumbag. He still gets his due process rights, because if they can deny him his rights, they can do it to you. That is the whole point.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-10-11   21:20:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: echo5sierra, PSUSA, all (#4)

I feel like I am repeating what Stewart said to you. If he is a scumbag, he is an easy target. No one will care that we took his rights away. No one will care that now the groups and ideas you associate with can now be used against ANYONE, even if you are pure as the driven snow. We can take children away from anti abortion and homeschooling and anti illegal immigration people. Just call the groups "militias" and you get their kids.

Thank you for laying out the exact crux of the matter and why this is so odious. It might well be that he is a scumbag, but Oathkeepers is not a scumbag group, and his ownership of guns should be irrelevant.

The other problem is that Persecutors and Family Service types also LIE. They have been caught at it repeatedly and in multiple proceedings. Yes we need to protect children but given the record of Family Service Departments at least by the records in my State, Oregon, (where the Children and Family Services Department had to change their name because they were in such disrepute) their actions, word, and past treatment of children is no recommendation beyond the fact that they are State Appointed Scumbags.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-11   22:04:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent, echo5sierra, all (#6) (Edited)

but Oathkeepers is not a scumbag group

You don't know that. Yes, the members probably are honorable, but who knows about the website owner(s)?

It always amazes me when people turn over their private information to unknown people. Would you fill out this application if it went to the DHS or DOD, telling them that they will not obey orders? Why place yourself on their radar for no good reason? You have just handed over to them your most precious tactical asset, the element of surprise. And you did it for nothing.

Here is the form to join: https://www.formstack.com/forms/?721615-lEe3sgs4Tc

Why give that info to unknown people when you do not know what they are going to do with it or even who they are working for? It's a WEBSITE with nice sounding WORDS that ANYONE can put up. That is all it is.

If you are going to take an oath, then take the f'n oath already, and don't announce it to the world by blowing a trumpet. Just obey the oath. It's not important for anyone else to know. If you want others to know, then protect your privacy. You should not have to give up that right to privacy by taking any oath.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-12   8:10:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: PSUSA, echo5sierra, all (#10)

It always amazes me when people turn over their private information to unknown people. Would you fill out this application if it went to the DHS or DOD, telling them that they will not obey orders? Why place yourself on their radar for no good reason? You have just handed over to them your most precious tactical asset, the element of surprise. And you did it for nothing.

A. I've heard the founder of the Oathkeepers interviewed on the radio and he seems to be coming from the right place. He is well aware that what he is doing is flying right into the maw of the monster.

B. If there was anything in the background of the Oathkeeper's leadership that was really discreditable you can count on it having received great publicity by now. What is notable is that has not happened.

C. There is strength in numbers. While the PTB are no doubt made uncomfortable by those who stand up to take the Oathkeeper's Pledge what can they do about it publicly? Say it is a bad thing to reaffirm one's commitment to the Constitution and the Rule of Law?

The nasty thing about Oathkeepers from the point of view of the Oligarchy is that they are playing a harmony to the misuse of patriotism and loyalty, which have been used to sell their pointless and ruinous wars, and it is a song which they cannot cut across without attacking their own PsyOps. As such Oathkeepers is good medicine because it reaffirms that loyalty is given to the Constitution and the Nation not just whatever puppet is wearing the right hat today.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   12:52:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#28. To: Original_Intent (#24)

A. I've heard the founder of the Oathkeepers interviewed on the radio and he seems to be coming from the right place. He is well aware that what he is doing is flying right into the maw of the monster.

Uh huh. What do you expect him to do? Say something like "Join me and I will give all of your info to the DHS"?

I dont know if he is a straight shooter or not.

But you should know that people will tell you what they know you want to hear. It makes them that much more believable because your guard is down.

B. If there was anything in the background of the Oathkeeper's leadership that was really discreditable you can count on it having received great publicity by now. What is notable is that has not happened.

That's not so notable.

How long did it take for Hal Turner to finally be exposed? He sure talked the talk, but he never walked the walk.

C. There is strength in numbers. While the PTB are no doubt made uncomfortable by those who stand up to take the Oathkeeper's Pledge what can they do about it publicly? Say it is a bad thing to reaffirm one's commitment to the Constitution and the Rule of Law?

Since when do you need to give personal and private info to take a pledge?

Who benefits from receiving that private info?

There is only strength in numbers if they are being led by honest people. How can one judge anthers honesty by listening or reading only to public words? You can't.

People better start exercising due diligence before handing this info to others on a silver platter.

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