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Title: What a scientist didn't tell the New York Times about his study on bee deaths
Source: Fortune
URL Source: http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/08/new ... ees_ny_times.fortune/index.htm
Published: Oct 8, 2010
Author: Katherine Eban
Post Date: 2010-10-12 11:43:39 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Deadly, Bees, die, off
Views: 408
Comments: 34

FORTUNE -- Few ecological disasters have been as confounding as the massive and devastating die-off of the world's honeybees. The phenomenon of Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) -- in which disoriented honeybees die far from their hives -- has kept scientists, beekeepers, and regulators desperately seeking the cause. After all, the honeybee, nature's ultimate utility player, pollinates a third of all the food we eat and contributes an estimated $15 billion in annual agriculture revenue to the U.S. economy.

The long list of possible suspects has included pests, viruses, fungi, and also pesticides, particularly so-called neonicotinoids, a class of neurotoxins that kills insects by attacking their nervous systems. For years, their leading manufacturer, Bayer Crop Science, a subsidiary of the German pharmaceutical giant Bayer AG (BAYRY), has tangled with regulators and fended off lawsuits from angry beekeepers who allege that the pesticides have disoriented and ultimately killed their bees. The company has countered that, when used correctly, the pesticides pose little risk.

A cheer must have gone up at Bayer on Thursday when a front-page New York Times article, under the headline "Scientists and Soldiers Solve a Bee Mystery," described how a newly released study pinpoints a different cause for the die-off: "a fungus tag-teaming with a virus." The study, written in collaboration with Army scientists at the Edgewood Chemical Biological Center outside Baltimore, analyzed the proteins of afflicted bees using a new Army software system. The Bayer pesticides, however, go unmentioned.

What the Times article did not explore -- nor did the study disclose -- was the relationship between the study's lead author, Montana bee researcher Dr. Jerry Bromenshenk, and Bayer Crop Science. In recent years Bromenshenk has received a significant research grant from Bayer to study bee pollination. Indeed, before receiving the Bayer funding, Bromenshenk was lined up on the opposite side: He had signed on to serve as an expert witness for beekeepers who brought a class-action lawsuit against Bayer in 2003. He then dropped out and received the grant.

Reporter: scientist "did not volunteer" funding sources

Bromenshenk's company, Bee Alert Technology, which is developing hand-held acoustic scanners that use sound to detect various bee ailments, will profit more from a finding that disease, and not pesticides, is harming bees. Two years ago Bromenshenk acknowledged as much to me when I was reporting on the possible neonicotinoid/CCD connection for Conde Nast Portfolio magazine, which folded before I completed my reporting.

Bromenshenk defends the study and emphasized that it did not examine the impact of pesticides. "It wasn't on the table because others are funded to do that," he says, noting that no Bayer funds were used on the new study. Bromenshenk vociferously denies that receiving funding from Bayer (to study bee pollination of onions) had anything to do with his decision to withdraw from the plaintiff's side in the litigation against Bayer. "We got no money from Bayer," he says. "We did no work for Bayer; Bayer was sending us warning letters by lawyers."

A Bayer publicist reached last night said she was not authorized to comment on the topic but was trying to reach an official company spokesperson.

The Times reporter who authored the recent article, Kirk Johnson, responded in an e-mail that Dr. Bromenshenk "did not volunteer his funding sources." Johnson's e-mail notes that he found the peer-reviewed scientific paper cautious and that he "tried to convey that caution in my story." Adds Johnson: The study "doesn't say pesticides aren't a cause of the underlying vulnerability that the virus-fungus combo then exploits...."

At least one scientist questions the new study. Dr. James Frazier, professor of entomology at Penn State University, who is currently researching the sublethal impact of pesticides on bees, said that while Bromenshenk's study generated some useful data, Bromenshenk has a conflict of interest as CEO of a company developing scanners to diagnose bee diseases. "He could benefit financially from that if this thing gets popularized," Frazier says, "so it's a difficult situation to deal with." He adds that his own research has shown that pesticides affect bees "absolutely, in multiple ways."

Underlying cause of bee deaths still unclear

Dr. Jennifer Sass, a senior scientist with the health group at the Natural Resources Defense Council, says that while the Bromenshenk/Army study is interesting, it fails to ask the underlying question "Why are colonies dying? Is it because they're getting weak? People who have HIV don't die of HIV. They die of other diseases they get because their immune systems are knocked off, making them more susceptible." In other words, pesticides could weaken the bees -- and then the virus/fungus combination finishes them off. That notion, however, is not explored in the new study.

In 2008 the NRDC sued the Environmental Protection Agency after it failed to release Bayer's underlying studies on the safety of its neonicotinoids. The federal agency has since changed course, and NRDC researchers are being allowed to sift through the Bayer studies, an NRDC spokesman says.

The EPA has based its approval of neonicotinoids on the fact that the amounts found in pollen and nectar were low enough to not be lethal to the bees -- the only metric they have to measure whether to approve a pesticide or not. But studies have shown that at low doses, the neonicotinoids have sublethal effects that impair bees' learning and memory. The USDA's chief researcher, Jeff Pettis, told me in 2008 that pesticides were definitely "on the list" as a primary stressor that could make bees more vulnerable to other factors, like pests and bacteria.

In 1999, France banned Imidacloprid after the death of a third of its honeybees. A subsequent report prepared for the French agricultural ministry found that even tiny sublethal amounts could disorient bees, diminish their foraging activities, and thus endanger the entire colony. Other countries, including Italy, have banned certain neonicotinoids.

Bayer v. beekeepers

As for the Bayer-Bromenshenk connection, in 2003 a group of 13 North Dakota beekeepers brought a class-action lawsuit against Bayer, alleging that the company's neonicotinoid, Imidacloprid, which had been used in nearby fields, was responsible for the loss of more than 60% of their hives. "My bees were getting drunk," Chris Charles, a beekeeper in Carrington, N.D., and a plaintiff in the lawsuit, told me in 2008. "They couldn't walk a white line anymore -- they just hung around outside the hive. They couldn't work."

Charles and the other North Dakota beekeepers hired Bromenshenk as an expert witness. Bayer did not dispute that Imidacloprid was found among the bees and their hives. The company simply argued that the amount had not been enough to kill them.

As the North Dakota lawsuit moved forward, an expert witness for the beekeepers, Dr. Daniel Mayer, a now retired bee expert from Washington State University, traveled to 17 different bee yards in North Dakota and observed dead bees and bees in the throes of what looked like Imidacloprid poisoning, he told me in 2008. He theorized that after foraging in planted fields where the seeds had been treated with Imidacloprid, the bees then brought the pesticide back to the hive, where it built up in the wax combs.

The beekeepers tried to enlist more expert witnesses, but others declined, according to two of the beekeeper plaintiffs, in large part because they had taken research money from Bayer and did not want to testify against the company. One who agreed -- Bromenshenk -- subsequently backed out and got a research grant from Bayer. Bromenshenk insists the two actions were unrelated. "It was a personal decision," he says. "I, in good conscience, couldn't charge beekeepers for services when I couldn't help them." He adds, "Eventually, the lawyers stopped calling. I didn't quit. They just stopped calling."

In June 2008 a district court judge in Pennsylvania defanged the beekeepers' lawsuit by siding with Bayer to exclude Mayer's testimony and the initial test results from a laboratory in Jacksonville, Fla., that had found significant amounts of Imidacloprid in the honeybee samples.

That same year Bromenshenk brokered a meeting between Bayer and beekeepers. When I interviewed Bromenshenk that year, he said that increasing frustration with the accusations against Bayer, which he described as a "runaway train," led him to contact the company in an effort to create a dialogue between Bayer and the beekeepers. Because of his efforts, in November 2008, Bayer scientists sat down in Lake Tahoe, Nev., with a small group of American beekeepers to establish a dialogue. The issues discussed were "trust and transparency," Bromenshenk told me. "How did Bayer do its testing, and do we trust the results?" Generally beekeepers and scientists have been highly critical of the design of Bayer's studies and deeply suspicious over who is or isn't on Bayer's payroll.

After the meeting, Bayer tentatively agreed to appoint a beekeeper advisory board to help redesign studies so that beekeepers could trust the results. But many beekeepers see the advisory board and grant money as a ruse on Bayer's part to silence its enemies by holding them close. "They have the bee industry so un-united," says Jim Doan, once New York State's busiest beekeeper until CCD decimated his business. "Even the researchers are off working on anything but the pesticide issue."

Bromenshenk's study acknowledges that the research does not "clearly define" whether the concurrent virus and fungus, which were found in all the afflicted bee samples, is "a marker, a cause, or a consequence of CCD." It also notes uncertainty as to how, exactly, the combination kills the bees, and whether other factors like weather and bee digestion play a role. Scientists like Sass at NRDC believe the mystery is far from resolved: "We're even concerned that based on this, beekeepers will use more pesticides trying to treat these viruses," says Sass. To top of page


Poster Comment: One cannot continuously pour poisons into the evironment, whether you label it happy water or whatever, and expect that there will be no effect from the accumulated weight of the poisons. "Modern" agriculture is reaching a crisis point. The adverse affects of "Strip Mine and Poison" agriculture is beginning to take a heavy toll on our environment. All of the advertising and propaganda in the world cannot reverse hard physical effects. The die off of the Bees is critically important because it affects so many food crops that we take for granted. However, the affects of Strip and Poison farming is showing up in other areas as well. So called "agricultural run-off" is poisoning streams and estuaries that we depend upon for water and sea life. It is killing fish populations, and/or making freshwater fish inedible from the heavy load of toxins stored in their tissue. The true cost of Strip Mine and Poison agriculture is yet to be paid, it has up to this point merely been deferred, and when the full bill comes due it is going to be a big one.

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#1. To: christine, farmfriend, CadetD, wudidiz, HighLairEon, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, Horse, Lod, Kamala, Eric Stratton, HAPPY2BEME4UM, randge, X-15, scrapper2, AllTheKingsHorses, FormerLurker, Itistoolate, Esso, ratcat, Cynicom, abraxas, all (#0)

(((((Big Pharmacide Ping)))))

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   11:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-12   11:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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(((((Big Pharma = Big Pesticide Ping)))))

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   11:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)

LOL.

???

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   11:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#0)

One cannot continuously pour poisons into the evironment

from an environmental point of view it is scary. because fireflies almost all died. frogs & salamanders have been having problems. Fish are now having troubles in the fresh water lakes & rivers in north america. the problems in the gulf with corexit & oil. the bees have problems

the earth is currently being destroyed. and our mass media behaves as though how the stock market did that day is more important.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-12   11:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#4)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-12   11:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#0)

What the Times article did not explore -- nor did the study disclose -- was the relationship between the study's lead author, Montana bee researcher Dr. Jerry Bromenshenk, and Bayer Crop Science. In recent years Bromenshenk has received a significant research grant from Bayer to study bee pollination. Indeed, before receiving the Bayer funding, Bromenshenk was lined up on the opposite side: He had signed on to serve as an expert witness for beekeepers who brought a class-action lawsuit against Bayer in 2003. He then dropped out and received the grant.

Isn't Bayer the same company which sent out vaccine lots that were infected with HIV, and another time they shipped some out that was infected with the Avian Flu?

Bayer Knowingly Sold HIV-Contaminated Vaccines, Say Internal Documents

‘Accidental’ Contamination Of Vaccine With Live Avian Flu Virus Virtually Impossible

Makes me think I should dump my bottle of Bayer aspirin into the trash, who knows what's really in those little white pills.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-12   11:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#0)

In other words, pesticides could weaken the bees -- and then the virus/fungus combination finishes them off. That notion, however, is not explored in the new study.

Science moves one ponderous step at a time.

This study was valuable in identifying the two primary culprits in bee deaths. Now comes the time to ask why the bees are vulnerable to this when they were not in earlier decades.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-12   11:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Red Jones (#5)

the earth is currently being destroyed. and our mass media behaves as though how the stock market did that day is more important.

The media is actually owned and controlled by nihilistic psychotics. That is theme I keep repeating because it just does not compute for normal sane people that there would be an uberclass that just doesn't give a shit about the rest of humanity.

The pretty faces on the Telly are whores, or presstitutes as I often name them, and the various media organs they work for are controlled and owned by that small group of nihilistic psychotics I mentioned above.

Expecting sane behavior from insane people merely because they have a "blow dry" and a $10,000 suit is itself an insane computation.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   12:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#7)

Isn't Bayer the same company which sent out vaccine lots that were infected with HIV, and another time they shipped some out that was infected with the Avian Flu?

You might also recall them from an earlier incarnation: Bayer-IG Farben.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   12:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

It's just sad and funny and predictable, a very good indicator of the corrupt times we live in.

Yes, the good ol' New York Times: "All the news that's fit to Omit."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   12:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#0)

The problem is the family farmer is going out of business. It is my personal belief that the system has been rigged against them leaving big ag as the only survivor.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-12   12:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: farmfriend (#12)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-12   12:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend (#12)

The problem is the family farmer is going out of business. It is my personal belief that the system has been rigged against them leaving big ag as the only survivor.

Increasingly small farms have been steadily going organic and marketing locally. The number doing so as been doubling at an almost geometric rate. I forgot the the exact numbers but it has doubled about 4 times i.e., doubled, doubled again, doubled again, and doubled again since the early 90's. Organic farming, studies have found, is more profitable for the farmer because the slightly lower output per acre is more than balanced by the reduced costs of producing the crop and so it encourages the conversion. As a result drop by drop that cuts into the petrochemical pesticide and fertilizer markets. As well consumers are increasingly aware of what is going into their food and are voting with their dollars to pay a little more and buy organic. The Grass Fed Beef Market is bringing in premium prices above and beyond the additional cost of raising cattle on their natural feed - grass. Grass fed beef is also more nutritious with much lower risk of E. Coli being present. Thus we see bills like S 510 which would allow the FDA to regulate small organic farms out of existence by making compliance costs and fines so draconian that small farmers are driven out at an even higher rate.

The long term agenda is still complete totalitarian control, and food control, controls populations.

If there is insufficient push back they will establish that complete food control.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   12:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)

Say, I really like that tagline ghostdogtx. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-12   12:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#10)

You might also recall them from an earlier incarnation: Bayer-IG Farben.

Ah yes, besides manufacturing the Zyklon B for the Nazi death camps, they introduced Heroin to the world...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-12   12:56:22 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#10)

You might also recall them from an earlier incarnation: Bayer-IG Farben.

From IG Farben [Wiki]

World War II

During the planning of the invasion of Czechoslovakia and Poland, IG Farben cooperated closely with Nazi officials and directed which chemical plants should be secured and delivered to IG Farben.[1]

In 1941, an investigation exposed a "marriage" cartel between John D. Rockefeller's United States-based Standard Oil Co. and I.G. Farben.[13][14] (see [15] and[16]) It also brought new evidence concerning complex price and marketing agreements between DuPont, a major investor in and producer of leaded gasoline, U.S. Industrial Alcohol Co. and their subsidiary, Cuba Distilling Co. The investigation was eventually dropped, like dozens of others in many different kinds of industries, due to the need to enlist industry support in the war effort. However, the top directors of many oil companies agreed to resign, and oil industry stocks in molasses companies were sold off as part of a compromise worked out.[17][18][19]

IG Farben built a factory (named Buna Chemical Plant) that produced synthetic oil and rubber (from coal) at Auschwitz,[20] which was the beginning of SS activity and camps in this location during the Holocaust. At its peak in 1944, this factory made use of 83,000 slave laborers and prisoners.[21] The pesticide Zyklon B (infamous for its use in gas chambers during the Holocaust), for which IG Farben held the patent, was manufactured by Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung), which IG Farben owned 42.2 percent of (in shares) and which had IG Farben managers in its Managing Committee.

Of the 24 directors of IG Farben indicted in the so-called IG Farben Trial (1947–1948) before a U.S. military tribunal at the subsequent Nuremberg Trials, 13 were sentenced to prison terms between one and eight years. Some of those indicted in the trial were subsequently made leaders of the post-war companies that split off from IG Farben, including those who were sentenced at Nuremberg.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-12   12:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#14)

Increasingly small farms have been steadily going organic and marketing locally.

I know one raisin farmer who did it by necessity. He simply could not afford to buy all the pesticides etc and stay in business. He said his yields were higher after he went organic. And I saw an article posted on face book talking about how Monsanto is losing money. I'll dig it up and post it.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-10-12   13:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent, All (#7)

Bayer Knowingly Sold HIV-Contaminated Vaccines, Say Internal Documents

‘Accidental’ Contamination Of Vaccine With Live Avian Flu Virus Virtually Impossible

Looks like it was Baxter International, not Bayer, who released the H5N1 weaponized Avian Flu in their "vaccines". There are so many criminals, it's hard to keep them separated, especially when they're joined at the hip.

Here's just one example of ties between the two companies;

Baxter US - Company Leadership


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-12   13:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#18)

Increasingly small farms have been steadily going organic and marketing locally.

I know one raisin farmer who did it by necessity. He simply could not afford to buy all the pesticides etc and stay in business. He said his yields were higher after he went organic. And I saw an article posted on face book talking about how Monsanto is losing money. I'll dig it up and post it.

I want to see Monsatan go broke. I despise the bastards. They are just flat evil.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   13:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#17)

Yup. That's our "buddies".

Don't forget your daily healthful shot of Heroin.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   13:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#21) (Edited)

Don't forget your daily healthful shot of Heroin.

I wonder if they're still sending out free samples upon request?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-12   13:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)

I have been very disappointed not to see farmers doing obvious shit, like burning Monsanto trucks...

Not just the farmers.

ELF & EarthFirst appear to have dropped the ball on this issue as well.

Buzzard  posted on  2010-10-12   13:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#22)

Don't forget your daily healthful shot of Heroin.

I wonder if they're still sending out free samples upon request?

Only through authorized Street Corner Dealers.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   14:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Buzzard, ghostdogtxn (#23)

I have been very disappointed not to see farmers doing obvious shit, like burning Monsanto trucks...

Not just the farmers.

ELF & EarthFirst appear to have dropped the ball on this issue as well.

That's because most of the big Eco-Nut groups are false opposition and are controlled by foundation grant money which comes from the small inbred group of old money defectives who are feeding at humanity's throat.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   14:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#16)

HEROIN

The sedative for
coughs

Oh, I think I'm getting a bit of a sniffle....


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-10-12   15:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: abraxas (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-12   16:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Buzzard (#23)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2010-10-12   16:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#26)

Oh, I think I'm getting a bit of a sniffle....

I bet the protection big pharma companies have against prosecution and lawsuits is a reward for developing the right "goods" for those who wish to profit on human misery.

Just think how many people became addicted to this crap when they were giving out free samples.


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FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-12   17:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

I give you credit for picking it. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-10-12   17:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#0)

So called "agricultural run-off" is poisoning streams and estuaries that we depend upon for water and sea life. It is killing fish populations, and/or making freshwater fish inedible from the heavy load of toxins stored in their tissue. The true cost of Strip Mine and Poison agriculture is yet to be paid, it has up to this point merely been deferred, and when the full bill comes due it is going to be a big one.

Agree 100%.
And the government is more concerned with a tiny bit of CO2 emitted by cars, instead of the toxins on our food and hormones in our beef.

Red Jones mentioned fire flies. These things were common when I was a kid, now they are rarely seen. Even in a lush and dark state park where I vacation, fire flies are rare.

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Armadillo  posted on  2010-10-12   20:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Armadillo (#31)

Red Jones mentioned fire flies. These things were common when I was a kid, now they are rarely seen. Even in a lush and dark state park where I vacation, fire flies are rare.

That is sad. There is nothing like a warm Southern evening watching fire flies flit around. That is more than just another insect it is a part of America.

And the government is more concerned with a tiny bit of CO2 emitted by cars, instead of the toxins on our food and hormones in our beef.

That is because there is big money in Carbon Taxes with that insignificant amount of gas. There were more greenhouse gases, I would guess, since Methane is a Greenhouse Gas and CO 2 only marginally so, emitted from the Gulf "Event" than in the preceding ten years world wide. Where are the Glowbull Worming Cultists on that?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-12   20:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Perhaps beekeepers should coordinate with sprayers and lock in their bees for a couple of days to allow herbicide to be absorbed by plants or dissipate.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-10-13   2:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#0)

...Dr. Daniel Mayer, a now retired bee expert from Washington State University, traveled to 17 different bee yards in North Dakota and observed dead bees and bees in the throes of what looked like Imidacloprid poisoning...The beekeepers tried to enlist more expert witnesses, but others declined, according to two of the beekeeper plaintiffs, in large part because they had taken research money from Bayer and did not want to testify against the company.

As long as Bayer keeps handing out "grants" to beekeepers like it was free crack, nobody will testify against Bayer.

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X-15  posted on  2010-10-13   16:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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