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Title: "Right" vs. "Left": Is There Really a Difference?
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Post Date: 2010-10-12 14:03:35 by Eric Stratton
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Poster Comment: We've obviously been arguing in a thread over whether or not the GOP is truly better than the Dim Party, or perhaps rather ideologies. We can refer to them as they are often referred, "Right" and "Left." But is there really a right and a left politically speaking? For sure representatives in both parties have all categorically slidden "left" throughout the lives of anyone reading this and even further back. Today's Right's are more left than the Left's of Kennedy, Nixon's, yea even Reagan's day! And when these people get elected, what's the first thing that they say as a media mantra, "they'll have to move to the center," a center that keeps moving left, "...in order to govern/legislate." The greatest damage to the liberties of Americans since 9/11 has come from the Right however, not the left, via the creation of an uncontrollable Military and War Industrial Complex that would have had Hitler and other famous historical dictators drooling all over themselves! I would argue that there is no "right" or "left" other than in terminology which has obviously, to the informed, been used solely to deceive and control! No, the profile of our politicians is far more consistent with a normal curve. If one draws a vertical line down through the center of the normal curve, then it divides it into two equal halves with approximately 70% of the population of that distribution very close to that center line. Politically speaking, so close so as that there is tremendously little distinction between the two, with in this case often some "Lefts" even further to the "Right" of some "Rights" and visa versa. The names Pansy Graham, John McCucaracha, Olympia Snowe-job, Arlen Sphinctor, and Joe Lieberself come to mind immediately. While some "Right" and some "Left" politically speaking, they are all all but interchangeable. Sphincter has even changed political parties recently suggesting little difference overall. Most decisions are made from "Center," not "Right" or "Left." Those that are typically involve a trade-off going the other way. In order to see clearly the nature of our Federal Government, people need to begin looking at the 3/4 of the portion of that normal curve as the driving force behind what gets done, or perhaps what's "being done" or being perpetrated upon us by a Government that many seem to view as possessing two diametric halves. Rather, the American populace has been trained like monkeys to assume that there are two "halves," as it were, of government, with a significant ideological space in between them. It's a "Good cop" vs. "Bad Cop" routine. To ~ 50% of the populace the "Good Cop" is the "Left," while to the other ~ 50% of the populace the "Good Cop" is the GOP. The "Bad Cop" roles for both are also thusly reversed. But upon closer examination, it is clear to see that the differences between R and D, other than what is faked via media and "voting patterns" within Congress, that the lines between "Right" and "Left" become tremendously blurred when referring to the individual politicians holding the seats. This leaves us with a far more normal distribution with really merely one clump of politicians occupying and owning "the middle," which obviously is hostile to the civil liberties of Americans for anyone not having slept through the last 20+ years. It also means that apart from nomenclature, there is very little if any difference between "Right" and "Left" anymore these days as the entire Government is so far "left" of Constitutional principles and morality that it's in another solar system altogether. The true issue is the campaign that the Federal Government has embarked upon making itself the enemy of a free people period. Most Americans continue to play the role apparently perfectly content to go into the modern era of serf status to their new masters in the castle. Naturally the crowd rushing to the towers for their "security," while coming with a terminal price whether people realize it yet or not, came with the bugel sounding the warnings of post-9/11 Amerika! Another topic altogether. Until Americans begin to realize this, they will continue to be owned and played for the sheople that they are and ultimately end up impoverished and as modern day slaves!
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
I refuse to remain passive. It's that funny stubborn streak I have. I do agree that the Sheeple who get their Nooze and Infotainment from the Propaganda Box i.e., Television are programmed, and and not only ill-informed but disinformed.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The only difference between left and right and what they 'both' will haggle endlessly over is who gets to steal from the American people and how they get to spend it, whether it be for welfare, warfare, or in their back pockets. Otherwise there really is no difference, and the outcome is the same for the people, theft, debt, war, and death. Land of the Free.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
For that answer, you need to ask the guy in the middle that owns, operates and controls both appendages, that is if you can stop him from laffing at such a stupid question.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I see you are still posting false arguments. Right now, it is the people (Tea Party) vs the elitists from BOTH parties.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Keep "baaing" sheep. I don't see you doing anything to fix things, you just keep complaining.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Only 7 Tea Party candidates won their primaries and out of those 7, every one of them is spouting the same exact rhetoric as their mainstream Republican counterparts: small government, less taxes, more war. Therefore you are doing no more than anyone else. Of course I have spanked your ass and made you look like a complete fool so many times that you have put me on your bozo list and won't see this, but that's the truth of the matter that you are incapable of dealing with. Instead you make up this pretend "movement" that has no bearing on reality.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Oh, I am. I just don't advertise it. Though, nothing illegal. And I don't complain about others trying to fix things. This is what makes me better than you.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
LOL. Who, exactly, is the sheep here? I would love to understand how only 7 tea party candidates are going to change the face of the Republican Party - that is IF all 7 of them win. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
I no longer use the right vs left scale. It is false as you have pointed out. I go with a scale that has no government on one end and all government on the other. Both the "right" and "left" are on the all government end of the scale.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. LOL you do have a way with words.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. The Tea Party is being controlled. The best way to control your opposition is to lead it.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. You, because not only do you complain, but you complain about anyone trying to fix things.
What do you think is happening here. When you cannot lead something, having your minions claim you control it as an alternative form of poisoning the opposing movement. Plants for the elitists here and elsewhere falsely claim that the Tea Party is controlled by the elitists as a way to try to destroy the Tea Party movement. Don't fall for such lies.
LOL! What movement? There are only seven candidates and ALL of them are running on the exact same platforms as the mainstream Republican Party!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Don't fall for such lies. I'm not. What do you think Palin was for?
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Do not mistake endorsements for control.
I liked the things of Russel Kirk that I read. and your post is right-on. today's so-called conservatives in washington are fascist pigs. they are anti-american in that they support an agenda that is against us. real conservatives like Russel Kirk were nothing like that. conservative principles are gone from our leaders today.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
I liked the things of Russel Kirk that I read. and your post is right-on. today's so-called conservatives in washington are fascist pigs. they are anti-american in that they support an agenda that is against us. real conservatives like Russel Kirk were nothing like that. conservative principles are gone from our leaders today. Most of the gibbering, drooling, retartds, that post at Freeptardia are NeoCons. And all a NeoCon is, is a liberal in a Pin Stripe Suit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Oompa Loompa doompety doo What do you get from a glut of TV You'll get no Oompa Loompa doompety da And that's the way it is ...
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't think there's any practical difference between the 2 parties when we vote. Some individual odd-balls in each party might be good people in office. Ron Paul certainly. and believe it or not Dennis Kucinich from among the Democrats. Now, I know that Kucinich has some 'leftist' views that many find unsavory. I don't blame them. but Kucinich would over-turn the trading regime we have now which I feel puts our nation at a big disadvantage with our over-priced US dollar and many nations suppressing their currencies to us. I digress. but Kucinich would eliminate all the wars and would eliminate the federal reserve too. I don't care if the guy is a communist, if he wants to do those things, then I'll vote for him. but Kucinich and Paul are odd-balls in their own party and referred to publicly that way by others in their parties. From a practical point of view there is no difference between the 2 parties. The Democrats did get about 60% of both Senate and House as well as the White House. They made no real changes at all. Their health care bill was a great disappointment to the sincere people among the democrats who did want health care reform. The 'single pay' option was rejected by Obama before the legislation was crafted and with it all hope of controlling costs which is what desperately is needed. You see not everybody among the democrats wants to push up costs. Republicans and democrats together over decades have built a health care system that is extraordinarily expensive compared to other nations. Whose preferences are the high costs? Many Democrats wanted to attack that problem. Obama disrupted their efforts. and on the Republican side, we hear talk and accusations against democrats, but have they ever done anything good to control costs in the health care world? Where is this tort reform they always speak of? Why are they just plain unconcerned about costs though these costs are killing us? I read articles about how after Obama came in they'd have a vote on supplemental war funding and 90% of the democrats would vote for it. The Democrat voters would rather not fund any of the wars. and here are democrat politicians going against their own base. and they issued a statement where they literally said that the republicans made them do it. Even though they have a large majority. democrat republican same exact thing. from a practical point of view there is no difference. as far as our people - it is like Eric said, they're trained monkeys. they buy into this left-right paradigm even though it is 100% fraud. Among the intellectuals there are different camps. and you can use words like liberal, conservative, progressive, etc. to define some of the camps. but among the actual politicians there is no such thing - other than for image only, or else it is the unusual odd-ball.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
the 'tea party' people scare me. because they're insane. I've already had people accost me and tell me that we need to vote Republican to stop the big government, the deficit spending, etc. but the republicans have never demonstrated that they are for small government. In the 1990's there were 5 years where we had a democrat dominated congress (1990-1994) and 5 years where we had a republican congress (1995-1999). the rate of spending increase was almost the same for the 2 periods, but it was very slightly higher under the republicans. in the early 2000's certainly we saw a fascist regime that expanded government spending massively. and here's these 'tea party' people swearing that Obama is the great leader of big government and we have to put republicans in. all Obama has done is follow Republican leadership from prior to him being elected. so the tea party people it seems to me are mentally imbalanced.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
#3. To: Eric Stratton (#2)
#4. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
#5. To: Lysander_Spooner (#4)
#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)
#7. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
"Right" vs. "Left": Is There Really a Difference?
#8. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
#9. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
"Right" vs. "Left": Is There Really a Difference?
#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#8)
#11. To: PaulCJ (#9)
#12. To: Eric Stratton (#10)
#13. To: ghostdogtxn (#11)
But the reality is that the Tea Party is now just the energetic wing of the same statist GOP we had under Bush. When the dust settles, the Tea Party people are going to be just as disillusioned with the GOP as the antiwar left are with the Dems, and the statist apparatus will continue to keep on busting along.
#14. To: ghostdogtxn (#12)
#15. To: PaulCJ, ghostdogtxn (#13)
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Keep "baaing" sheep. I don't see you doing anything to fix things, you just keep complaining.
#16. To: PaulCJ (#13)
#17. To: Eric Stratton (#14)
#18. To: ghostdogtxn (#17)
#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#16)
I don't see you doing anything either.
#20. To: Eric Stratton (#18)
#21. To: PaulCJ (#19)
#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#20)
#23. To: ghostdogtxn, PaulCJ (#21)
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The fact that you buy into bullshit promises of false hope and can't see that the movement you are shilling for has been completely co-opted makes you better than me?
#24. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#26. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#15)
Only 7 Tea Party candidates won their primaries and out of those 7, every one of them is spouting the same exact rhetoric as their mainstream Republican counterparts: small government, less taxes, more war. Therefore you are doing no more than anyone else.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#27. To: ghostdogtxn (#21)
Who, exactly, is the sheep here?
#28. To: farmfriend (#26)
The Tea Party is being controlled. The best way to control your opposition is to lead it.
#29. To: PaulCJ (#28)
Plants for the elitists here and elsewhere falsely claim that the Tea Party is controlled by the elitists as a way to try to destroy the Tea Party movement.
#30. To: PaulCJ (#28)
Plants for the elitists here and elsewhere falsely claim that the Tea Party is controlled by the elitists as a way to try to destroy the Tea Party movement.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#31. To: farmfriend (#30)
I'm not. What do you think Palin was for?
#32. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Russel Kirk, the true father of modern conservatism, would be banned from Freeptardia within 3 posts.
#33. To: Red Jones (#32)
Russel Kirk, the true father of modern conservatism, would be banned from Freeptardia within 3 posts.
#34. To: Original_Intent (#3)
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompedah dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me
A pain in the neck and an IQ of three
Why don't you try simply reading a book
Or could you just not bear to look
You'll get no
You'll get no
You'll get no
You'll get no commercials
If you like reading you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the - Oompa -
Oompa Loompa doompety do
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#35. To: Coral Snake (#34)
What do you get from a glut of TV A pain in the neck and an IQ of three
#36. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
#37. To: All (#36)
#38. To: farmfriend (#30)
#39. To: farmfriend, All (#30)
#40. To: Red Jones, All (#36)
#41. To: farmfriend, All (#24)
#42. To: farmfriend (#24)
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