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Title: "Nobody Gets Their Kids Back " (Major Update, October 14)
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://freedominourtime.blogspot.co ... body-gets-their-kids-back.html
Published: Oct 15, 2010
Author: William Norman Grigg
Post Date: 2010-10-15 06:33:24 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 1088
Comments: 53

The "Petition for Abuse/Neglect" filed on behalf of Cheyenne Irish by New Hampshire's Division of Children, Youth, and Families (DCYF) alleges that the baby, who was born on October 6, was "neglected" by her mother on that very day in the hospital where the infant was born.

What this means is that Stephanie Taylor's act of "neglect" was to give birth to her child, and that the only way she could have avoided that charge was to have Cheyenne killed in utero. Because Stephanie had neglected this supposed duty, the DCYF kidnapped Cheyenne a little more than 16 hours following her birth.

Barring a near-miraculous outcome, Cheyenne's parents will never get their daughter back. So testifies New Hampshire resident Dorothy Knightly. Between August 31, 2005 and February 3, 2006, Dorothy (who prefers to be called Dot) saw three of her grandchildren abducted by the DCYF on the basis of spurious child abuse and neglect allegations.

Dot's grandson Austin (who is now ten years old), was so traumatized by the kidnapping that he attempted suicide. As a result he was institutionalized and "medicated" with dangerous psychotropic drugs. Two of Dot's grandchildren have been adopted, and the DCYF won't permit any contact with the grandparents. Ally was placed with her father.

All of this began on August 31, 2005, when Dot's daughter Candy gave birth to a daughter named Isabella. At some point in the pregnancy Candy developed a condition called placenta previa. Although this usually requires that the child be delivered via C-section, Candy was put on a morphine drip and Isabella was delivered normally. Predictably, this meant that a urine test found morphine in Isabella's bloodstream -- a circumstance easily explained as a result of the circumstances of her birth, but was maliciously depicted as evidence that Candy had "abused" her baby through pre-natal drug use.

Isabella.

Believing that this matter would be quickly and easily cleared up, Dot and her husband applied for temporary custody of Isabella in their home. They eagerly and cheerfully cooperated with the DCYF out of the common but tragically mistaken belief that agencies of that kind are operated by people who actually care about children, governed by laws, and burdened with scruples.

"We let those people into our home," Knightly lamented to Pro Libertate. "We opened the door and greeted them with smiles. We offered them coffee and treated them well. We trusted them. We assured our daughter, `don't worry -- they're not going to take your baby.' We assumed that we had rights, that the law meant something, and that the people in the DCYF would have to obey the rules. We'll never make that mistake again, and we hope other people won't either."

Two weeks after Isabella was born, a false child abuse report was filed with the DCYF alleging that Austin and his sister Ally had been molested by their father, who was married to Dot's other daughter, Holly.When they were notified of the accusation, Dot and Holly immediately took the children to the Southern New Hampshire Medical Center to be examined for evidence of molestation. A comprehensive screening revealed no evidence of abuse of any kind.

Nonetheless, during a preliminary hearing regarding custody of Isabella on September 26, 2005, DCYF official Kate McClure unflinchingly committed perjury by claiming that the medically debunked molestation charge had been "confirmed," adorning that lie with a critical decorative detail: The purported act has supposedly taken place in the grandparents' home.

Once that charge had been made by the DCYF, the fate of Dot's grandchildren was settled, in everything but the details.

A DCYF document entitled "Notice to Accused Parent" explains the ground rules that govern New Hampshire's "family law" court system: "All Court hearings and records of abuse and neglect cases are confidential. The hearings are not open to the public and only people involved in the case, or invited by the parties and approved by the Court, will be admitted to the Court hearings." In practice this means that DCYF banishes from such hearings anybody who can speak effectively on behalf of the accused.

A "preliminary hearing" can result in the DCYF being awarded "protective supervision or legal custody" over a child, "which would give DCYF the right to temporarily remove your child[ren] from parental care and custody and determine where and with whom your child[ren] will live," explains the document.

At no point in the process is it necessary to prove that abuse occurred. Even at an "adjudicatory hearing" -- the equivalent of a criminal trial -- the standard is a "preponderance of evidence," rather than a requirement to demonstrate guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." But the threshold for a judicial decision to award custody of a child to the DCYF is merely the presentation of "evidence."

In substantive terms, an anonymous, unsubstantiated accusation of abuse qualifies as "evidence." In the same fashion, "temporary," as defined in New Hampshire child abuse cases, is a synonym for "indefinite." Once a judge has granted custody or protective supervision to the DCYF, the matter is placed beyond judicial remedy, and the child's fate will be determined by the child-snatcher bureaucracy.

After Candy was charged with "neglecting" Isabella by receiving a morphine drip during a difficult delivery, the grandparents were forbidden to present evidence at either the preliminary or the adjudicatory hearing. On October 3, 2005, the DCYF seized Isabella, who at the time was a little more than one month old. She was never seen again by her grandparents.Candy was allowed brief, sporadic visits until March of 2006.

One particularly provocative aspect of this case involves Candy's refusal to apply for DCYF-administered welfare benefits. On September 2, 2005 -- less than a month after Isabella was born -- DCYF employee Melissa Deane tried to persuade Candy to apply for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Candy refused to do so, pointing out that she and Isabella would be living with the grandparents and wouldn't need welfare aid -- or the invasive government supervision that would come with it.

On September 28 -- two days after the preliminary hearing upheld the neglect charge against Candy -- Ms. Deane signed the application and filed it herself. A few days later, DCYF kidnapped Isabella from the hospital, eventually arranging for her adoption to another family.

Dot Knightly points out that as long as Isabella remained with Candy, the DCYF would not be able to obtain federal welfare funding in her name. That problem was "solved" by filing an application over the objections of Isabella's mother, and then stealing her child.

The DCYF then turned its predatory attention to Dot's other daughter, Holly, and her two children, Austin and Ally.

On January 19, 2006, Holly went to the hospital following a friend's suicide attempt. While there she was arrested for "belligerent behavior" by a police officer who believed that she was intoxicated. Although she was on various prescription medications (she had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder), a test confirmed that there was no alcohol in her system at the time of her arrest. Regardless of that fact, Holly was charged with "child endangerment."

The arresting officer, Patrolman Josue I. Santia, delivered Holly's children Austin and Ally to Dot's home. Santia noted in his report that he and his partner "felt comfortable leaving the children in [the grandparents'] custody." On the following morning the grandparents were awarded temporary supervisory care over the children while the child endangerment charge was examined. That charge was eventually dropped, but DCYF wasn't willing to end its pursuit of Holly's kids.

Darren Hood Tucker, an attorney employed by DCYF, went "judge shopping" and "found another Judge willing to modify the court order" granting temporary custody to the grandparents, Dot Knightly recounted to Pro Libertate. Tucker was able to suborn a judge into ruling that it was inappropriate for Austin and Ally to have contact with Dot's daughter Candy -- whose only "offense" had been to give birth to a child who was later abducted by the DCYF.

"They sent four police officers to our home and took those children away at gunpoint," Dot recalls. "Poor Austin was literally dragged down the street kicking and screaming as the neighbors looked on." Shortly after the siblings were placed in a foster home in Merrimack, Austin -- who had no previous record of behavioral problems -- tried to hang himself.

News of the suicide attempt sent Holly rushing to the hospital, where she was intercepted by DCYF caseworker Anna Salvatore. The caseworker "threatened my daughter Holly by stating that if Holly didn't sign Austin's admission to Anna Philbrook Psychiatric Hospital ... the Judge would sign a court order terminating Holly's parental rights," Dot Knightly relates.

Just days earlier, Austin had been a bright-eyed, friendly, cheerful little boy. Austin's disposition and physical appearance changed dramatically after he was seized by armed strangers and forced to take mind-altering drugs.

During the four months that DCYF caseworker Anna Salvatore was on maternity leave (remember that detail; I'll return to it momentarily), Dot, her husband, and Austin's mother were able to have one brief phone call with Austin and his attending physician at the Psychiatric Hospital. The doctor told Dot that "after Austin spoke to his family his whole demeanor changed ... and he was not the same violent little boy as when he was admitted." When DCYF Supervisor Tracy Gubbins learned of that phone call, she issued instructions that there would be no further contact between Austin and his grandparents or his mother.

Austin with his Grandpa.

The only reason Dot was able to talk to her grandson was because the newly single caseworker was on maternity leave. Dot believes that Anna Salvatore -- who is now known as Anna Edlund -- may have become pregnant as a result of an affair.

"Holly and her husband had been having problems, but after this whole mess began they actually moved into a new apartment and seemed to be starting over," Dot told Pro Libertate. "The caseworker, or `home-wrecker,' Anna Salvatore found out about this and had them separated again within a week. Then Salvatore started to visit Holly's husband on nights and weekends, with or without the children, which eventually ruined her own marriage. And then she ended up divorced and pregnant -- after tearing my daughter's family apart."

After Austin was placed in a "pre-adoptive" home, Dot -- with the help of the new caseworker -- was able to arrange a few brief, supervised visits with Austin. During one of them, the traumatized little boy quietly informed his grandmother: "They told me that Holly's not my mother anymore."

"Honey, Holly is still your mother and will always be your mother," Dot replied -- thereby triggering the DCYF's retaliation reflex.

"From that time, all further visits were canceled," she recalled to Pro Libertate.

Not even this could be considered the crowning act of cruelty inflicted on this long-suffering family by New Hampshire's child "protection" racket.

By 2008, Dot -- who still hoped that she would be permitted to care for her grandchildren -- had completed her coursework to be a state-certified foster parent, but was refused a license. She was told by DCYF official Lorraine Bartlett that she would never be permitted to care for Austin out of fear that she would take him off the toxic psychotropic drugs he was forced to take.

Through a steady series of dilatory and obstructionist maneuvers, the DCYF made it impossible for Dot to qualify as a foster parent for her grandchildren. When it was decided that Austin would be adopted by another couple, Dot and her husband were instructed by Bartlett to write a good-bye letter to their grandson in order to bring "closure" to the atrocity. This gesture reminds me a bit of the way that firing squads employed by Ethiopian despot Mengistu Haile Mariam would force families of the victims to pay for the ammunition used to murder their loved ones.

Dot insisted that she would continue her legal efforts to get Austin back.

"Nobody gets their kids back in New Hampshire," replied the DCYF official. "The government gives us the power to decide how these cases turn out. Everyone who fights us loses."

(Note: This is a slightly edited version of the original essay; some details have been changed in the interests of clarity.)

UPDATE --

According to a source on the ground in New Hampshire who is very close to the principals in the story, Cheyenne Irish was not sexually abused. She was rushed to be examined by a specialist dealing with victims of child sexual abuse; that specialist reportedly concluded that no abuse had occurred.

In interviews today, Jonathan Irish's father has made it abundantly clear that he considers his son to be a disturbed and potentially dangerous individual. That view is reportedly shared by other people long acquainted with Mr. Irish. Assuming -- for now -- that there is merit to that characterization, we're still left with this question: If the father is the problem, why was the mother charged with neglect for the act of having the baby?

UPDATE, October 14: Sometimes, They Do Get Their Kids Back...

... if the parents in question can create a nation-wide controversy over the kidnapping. Reports the New Hampshire Union- Leader:

"Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor emerged from a closed family court hearing Thursday afternoon with smiles on their faces and indicated they may be getting back their daughter Cheyenne, whom state officials took from them hours after her birth last week."

A local TV report unequivocally states that Cheyenne has already been returned to her parents:

Interestingly, Johnathan Irish's mother was on hand in what appears to be a supporting role. This contrasts sharply with the attitude of Mr. Irish's biological father, who has conspicuously approved of the DCYF's action in abducting Cheyenne.

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#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

How many people know about it?

I didn't. That's why I asked Octavia. For all I knew, Octavia could have written that blood was a 100% sign of sex abuse, proving the OP right, and proving me wrong.

I bet he (or she) didn't know either and panicked, either at the thought of sexual abuse or other reasons for internal bleeding. I don't fault him / her for that. The online hoopla was probably generated by others.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   10:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#11)

We haven't gotten the truth yet. All we have now is a bunch of actions from all sides that just don't fit.

true.

Just because the ADL is a bunch of kike scumbags doesn't mean that they have a hand in this.

I personally, would be VERY surprised if they [or the SPLC] didn't [Oathkeepers is on the recent SPLC list of enemies for the police to watch, if I remember correctly]....and if by any chance Irish is working FOR them, the child could be in very real danger, a sacrificial lamb to tarnish Oathkeepers further. As I said, I put NOTHING past those two outfits.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   10:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)

As I said, I put NOTHING past those two outfits.

I don't.

I wouldn't put it past them to include "patriot" .orgs on their "watch lists" just so they can give those "patriot" .orgs a credibility boost. They know we monitor them, the same way they monitor us. They have to know that.

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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen

PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   10:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA (#14)

I wouldn't put it past them to include "patriot" .orgs on their "watch lists" just so they can give those "patriot" .orgs a credibility boost

Tim Turner comes to mind. I hope he's for real; I THINK he's for real, but I really don't know for sure.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   10:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ada (#0)

People used to worry that gypsies would steal children.

For a period, they worried that Mormons would steal children.

Now, you have to worry about the gooberment stealing your children and giving them away to others.

This is about lawyers and lobbyists getting legislators to pass laws to steal the children of "unworthy parents". Then they give them to well-heeled and connected couples, the types who waited to long to have kids of their own. Or where the woman was left barren from abortions and the general pill-craze and our awful food industry.

What is a newborn white baby girl worth in political donations?

Naturally, the media has no interest in investigating any of this.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-10-15   11:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#15)

I've chosen to trust none of them. There's no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. Who anointed them as leaders in the first place? And a wrong guess can be disastrous.

But that's just me.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   11:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA (#17) (Edited)

Who anointed them as leaders in the first place?

The usual suspects.

From SUI JURIS:

"...The counterfeit statutory system relies on deception to keep it sustainable, and the fear of the people to say no, keeps it fed. Whenever you lose your children, your property, your inheritances, your money, your freedom, or anything of value, it is taken from you in a courtroom. The Fifth Amendment to the Bill of Rights guarantees that if anything is taken from you that you must be allowed a fair hearing, a trial by jury and Constitutional Judicial Due Process, and just compensation if it is not returned. None of this is being enforced at this time. Additionally, plans are being implemented called Justice 2020, the "Community Courts of Tomorrow" and "21st Century Courts", assessment centers and permanent, shared databases for the STATE, with all Constitutionally protected Inherent Rights removed. Much of the agenda is already in place, and must be stopped....."

Will Gaston was the only person to make me aware of the Justice 2020 agenda, back when they were murdering Terri Schiavo. I only found a little on it back then; haven't tried to find anything recently. Everytime I have looked though, the web seemed to be swept clean for the most part. 2020 is 400 years from when the Pilgrims came to America [Bush's ancestors came over on the Mayflower, btw]. I am convinced the Pilgrims were wolves in sheep's clothing. 400 years is the time the Bible [sorry!] says THE CHURCH would be afflicted in this country. [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16,17...29/"The US Is Still a [Judeo-] British Colony"]. It's a religious thang. Psalm 2:10-12 [possibly connected with this: watch.pair.com/dan.html / watch.pair.com/law.html ].

Will Gaston knows all about the Talmud and the Noahide Laws, the more reason they tried to destroy him.

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edit.

Terri Schiavo was murdered as a result of the 14th Amendment by the way. Her birth certificate [STRAWMAN] and marriage license made her the PROPERTY of the state, to be DISPOSED OF at will [and to set a precedent for the rest of us].

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   11:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA (#1)

What the hell is going on with people and this story?

This article was a test of your reading skills and ability to discern fantasy from reality. You pass the test.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   11:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA (#18) (Edited)

Will Gaston was the only person to make me aware of the Justice 2020 agenda, 2020 is 400 years from when the Pilgrims came to America [Bush's ancestors came over on the Mayflower, btw]. I am convinced the Pilgrims were wolves in sheep's clothing. 400 years is the time the Bible [sorry!] says THE CHURCH would be afflicted in this country. [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16,17...29/"The US Is Still a [Judeo-] British Colony"]. It's a religious thang. Psalm 2:10-12 [possibly connected with this: watch.pair.com/dan.html / watch.pair.com/law.html ].

Will Gaston knows all about the Talmud and the Noahide Laws, the more reason they tried to destroy him.

look what i found:

Jewish Roots of the American Constitution « The State of America

[ON THE PIC, IN THE TOP LEFT-HAND CORNER:

1620
2020

Anno Domini ]

"....7. During the colonial and constitution-making period, the Americans, especially the Puritans, adopted and adapted various Hebraic laws for their own governance. The legislation of New Haven, for example, was based on the premise that “the judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses, and as they are a fence to the moral law, being neither … ceremonial, nor ha[ving] any reference to Canaan, shall … generally bind all offenders, till they be branched out into particulars hereafter.” Thirty-eight of seventy-nine statutes in the New Haven Code of 1665 derived their authority from the Hebrew Bible. The laws of Massachusetts were based on the same premise.

8. The fifteen Capital Laws of New England included the “Seven Noahide Laws” of the Torah, or what may be termed the seven universal laws of morality. Six prohibit idolatry, blasphemy, murder, robbery, adultery, and eating flesh from a living animal, while the seventh requires the establishment of courts of justice. Such courts are obviously essential to any society based on the primacy of reason or persuasion rather than passion or intimidation.

9. The seven universal laws of morality (together with their particular branches) comprised a “genial orthodoxy.” This genial orthodoxy transcends whatever social or economic distinctions exist among men: it holds all men equal before the law. By so doing it places constraints on governors and governors alike and thereby habituated Americans to the rule of law. As a further consequence, this ancient Hebraic orthodoxy dissolved or subordinated many ethnic differences among immigrants in the new world. It moderated the demands of various groups, helped coordinate their diverse interests and talents, and thereby contributed to America’s growth and prosperity.

10. Now, without minimizing the influence of such philosophers as Locke and Montesquieu on the framers of the American Constitution, I believe America may rightly be deemed the first and only nation that was explicitly founded on the Seven Noahide Laws of the Torah. Indeed, the legislation of the several states comprising the Federal Union embodied these laws—including the prohibitions against blasphemy and adultery—well into the nineteenth century. It should also be noted that the constitutions of eleven of the original thirteen states made provision for religious education. Some even had religious qualifications for office.

11. Strange as it may seem, the Seven Noahide Laws were recently and explicitly incorporated in Public Law 102-14, which established March 26, 1991 as “Education Day”! What presumably saves this Congressional joint resolution from violating the First Amendment is its silence about the Hebraic origin of the Noahide code. Here I must digress for a moment and say a word about the First Amendment.

12. The First Amendment states that, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion …” This clause is now misunderstood. It was intended not to prevent Congress from enacting laws supportive of religion, but to prohibit Congress from establishing a state or national religion. In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle.

Incidentally, the theme of Washington’s Farewell Address is national unity. National unity, he believed, requires national morality, a precondition of which is religion. Religion and morality counter man’s natural inclination to self-indulgence and his tendency to be preoccupied with the immediate gratification of his own desires. Religion and morality foster self-restraint and consideration of others. Far more than secular humanism, religion inspires men with reverence, with deference to wisdom, with concern for posterity. But these ideas are Jewish ideas, rooted in the Seven Noahide Laws......."

http://thestateofamerica.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/jewish-...[sorry, not complete URL; too much stuff on my computer]

That's why we've got SATAN ON OUR DOLLAR [ www.jesus-is-savior.com ] . The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   12:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.

Don't climb out on a tall tree's limb and saw it off. You won't float but will fall down according to Sir Isaac Newton; you remember the apple story, correct?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   12:15:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21) (Edited)

don't be a shill.

www.america-betrayed-1787.com

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edit.

p.s. for anyone who wants to know about how this CON came about, try searching "america land of the free or home of the slave sweetliberty.com jewishpersecution18" [or jewishpersecution19; i forget]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   12:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)

hahahahahaha.

The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.

Of course it was designed that way. The US Constitution clearly states the same in the so-called first amendment of 1793.

Hard to believe that the US federal government was NOT supposed to be a method of worship isn't it?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   12:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ada (#0)

it sounds like the state of New Hampshire has badly persecuted this family.

we should re-think these state agencies that take children. They do more injustice themselves than would occur if they did not exist.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   12:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

And I hope their trying to tarnish patriots with their phony self-righteousness back-fires big time.

AMEN!

SING IT SISTER!

The Choir is here to back you up. Pardon my French but screw the Statist bastards.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   12:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#23) (Edited)

The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.

Of course it was designed that way. The US Constitution clearly states the same in the so-called first amendment of 1793.

Hard to believe that the US federal government was NOT supposed to be a method of worship isn't it?

Not for me....the Bible foretold it!

Ezekiel 17:1-10

The battle of the two eagles. The first one [Ezekiel 17:1-6] is God John 15:1-2.

The second one is the CONstitution/US Government, ADORNED WITH THE ROTHSCHILD EAGLE [SATAN ON OUR DOLLAR www.jesus-is-savior.com ], Ezekiel 17:7-10. It will WITHER AWAY/BE ROOTED UP: MATTHEW 15:13. PSALM 2.

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Ezekiel 17:1-10

The battle of the two eagles. The first one [Ezekiel 17:1-6] is God John 15:1-2.

see also Exodus 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians and bore you on EAGLE'S WINGS and received you unto myself.

see John 14:3 I go and prepare a place for you. I will come again and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

Ezekiel 17:1-10 to the "house of Israel" ["the church is Israel now"] is a riddle! You have to connect all the dots. Folks who are looking for the earth to be destroyed and to being transported to never-never-land, probably won't get this.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   12:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle.

Well, from looking at our past and present, all of that religion and morality hasn't gotten us very far. Technology advances, people don't. We're not much better than israhell in that regard.

On second thought, we're much worse. How many millions have we murdered in the name of "god" and country? This is what revering the bloodthirsty insane lying kike "god" gets you.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   12:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative (#16)

Naturally, the media has no interest in investigating any of this.

that is a major problem right there.

The little newborn baby was taken due to alleged abuse of other children, not the particular newborn taken recently. and the other children came under suspicion because of events that occurred years ago. and throughout it all the accusations of the government are presumed true without examination. but the family's side of the story is considered illegitimate.

the system drugs up the children and destroys the families. That is the real abuse.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   12:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#25)

thank you....

Pardon my French but screw the Statist bastards.

Pardoned!

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   12:53:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Red Jones, FormerLurker, PSUSA, Artisan, wudidiz, christine, all (#24)

we should re-think these state agencies that take children. They do more injustice themselves than would occur if they did not exist.

Exactly.

The fundamental problem is that many of them are corrupt. This is a subject that FL knows considerably more about than I do as he appears to have done a lot of research on it - particularly the Franklin Scandal, and the Callboys at the Bush I White House. However, while superficially they might seem disrelated there seems to be a thread that runs through the use of children as sex slaves and State operated so-called "Child Welfare Agencies".

As Artisan pointed out the scandal involving multiple dead children in the Florida System and the use of child and teen inmates in the Texas Reform school system as sex toys are well documented - even though the lamestream Presstitutes were more or less forced into covering it because the stench was so bad they could not ignore and remain credible. Of course the Statist tools such as PSUSA will continue to try to continue to obscure and confuse the issues but the volume of evidence is growing to the point to where there apologetics and disinformation are at best a holding action to try to delay recognition of the problem among a broader audience.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   12:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#25)

The Choir is here to back you up. Pardon my French but screw the Statist bastards.

Watch out there, O_I. There could be a catholic priest right behind you .... backing you up so to speak.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   12:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent, all (#30)

Of course the Statist tools such as PSUSA will continue to try to continue to obscure and confuse the issues but the volume of evidence is growing to the point to where there apologetics and disinformation are at best a holding action to try to delay recognition of the problem among a broader audience.

That's a first for me. No one has ever called me a "statist" before. I've been called everything but, at one time or another, but never that. Calling bullshit on this one incident doesn't make anyone a statist. But perhaps you think calling people names helps you make your case, whatever that case is.

What does your little rant have to do with the OP? Nothing. Not one thing. You are again being a distraction from the OP topic. I guess you just can't help yourself.

Put down the fire water and maybe you can start making sense.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   13:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: PSUSA, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, all (#27)

In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle.

Well, from looking at our past and present, all of that religion and morality hasn't gotten us very far. Technology advances, people don't. We're not much better than israhell in that regard.

On second thought, we're much worse. How many millions have we murdered in the name of "god" and country? This is what revering the bloodthirsty insane lying kike "god" gets you.

Here to stir in a little hate to try to get people not to look I see.

You are a gut little Gestapo Officer. How are things in the basement of FBI HQ today?

Millions were not murdered in the name of God and your attempt to say so is superficial at best, and that is being kind.

Because someone uses religion as a cover for foul deeds does not make it a result of religion but of the actions of the person who falsely and pervertedly claims religion as an excuse. Just as the Talmudists take the hateful writings of hate filled scribes as justification for foul deeds does not make it the word of God or God's law. To assert otherwise is simply an untruth.

However, no logical argument will dissuade you from spreading the hate you seek to sow as it is not based on logic or reason, but just irrational hate emanating from some hate filled bowel within you.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: PSUSA (#32) (Edited)

As you well know, or should, the discussion has proceeded to much broader and fundamental issues. The key topic here, as though you did not already know, is the ongoing train of abuses perpetrated by so-called child welfare agencies which are increasingly populated by perverts and ghouls. This one case simply illustrates a few points:

The arbitrary and capricious power asserted, and exerted, by such agencies.

The abuse they perpetrate while falsely claiming to help.

The lack of a check on the system or a means of seeking impartial redress of grievance against them.

And in this specific case the backdoor attempt to smear the Oath Keepers in the process.

However, I expect you will continue to try to divert from those key points.

That's a hell of "living" you've marked out for yourself. Spend that blood money in good hellth.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   13:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: PSUSA (#32)

Statist tools such as PSUSA

I tended to agree with O_I on that one. you seem to think that everything this family says is a lie and not only that illegitimate for there to be an article speaking in their defense. Every accusation against them is true according to you.

that is a horribly abusive bureaucracy. and think - this type of thing does happen all over the country. We've all read and heard horror stories. To be good citizens like PSUSA we're all supposed to agree with the government's accusations to justify the abuse.

Barry Goldwater wrote in his auto-biography that he does not favor funding these state agencies that take people's children. He said laws against abuse should be enforced, but when you have a bureaucracy you are just inviting abuse by the bureaucracy. I used to say that Goldwater was pro-choice on child abuse. But he was right.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   13:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)

The key topic here, as though you did not already know, is the ongoing train of abuses perpetrated by so-called child welfare agencies which are increasing populated by perverts and ghouls.

Citation required.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   13:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Red Jones (#35)

We've all read and heard horror stories.

Not me other than families and friends (normally on some form of dope) abusing children. Here and there, a school teacher having sex with a student.... but NEVER social welfare employees.

Citation required on your part.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   13:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#36)

Get busy then.

Here's your link: RESEARCH TOOL

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   13:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent (#33)

You are a gut little Gestapo Officer. How are things in the basement of FBI HQ today?

Great! We got another field agent, and she is H. O. T. HOT! I'm doin' her tonight!

But you can again have the last word. No more distractions.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   13:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Red Jones, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, wudidiz, all (#35)

Notice Buckie's tactic here. Demand proof of information freely in the public domain in great volume, but to try and obscure that fact behave as though it is not and to try and discredit by stating such a false assumption.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   13:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: PSUSA (#27) (Edited)

In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle.

Well, from looking at our past and present, all of that religion and morality hasn't gotten us very far. Technology advances, people don't. We're not much better than israhell in that regard.

On second thought, we're much worse. How many millions have we murdered in the name of "god" and country? This is what revering the bloodthirsty insane lying kike "god" gets you.

George Washington was a Freemason, a closet Roman Catholic [see What About Those Pilgrims at watch.pair.com (?); Mystery Babylon, Catholic or Jewish at watch.pair.com ; and Pope Affirms Noahide Laws at www.realzionistnews.com ], and he was of the Merovingian [Tribe of Dan] bloodline, related to the British Monarchy. He gave the Jews their foot in the door. [see GEORGE WASHINGTON'S LASTING GIFT TO GENERATIONS OF JEWS.] Until that time, only Christians could hold public office in America. I'm sure he was a tool in the hand of God [and there are rumors that he came to Christ on his deathbed, and so his Masonic doctors bled him to death], so I will try to be charitable and leave it at that, because I can't stomach the man and the myths the PTB built around him.

Jesus told us to BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES. He also said that before the separation of the wheat and tares in the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven, it would be FULL OF IT. Find it in Matthew 13/Luke 13. Funny, Cornwallis said more or less the same thing to George Washington:

"A holy war will now begin against America [Psalm 2]. She will think she is free but HER CHURCHES WILL BE USED TO TEACH THE JEWS' RELIGION, and she will be working for divine government, which is the [Judeo] British Empire, overseen by the Grand Architect of Freemasonry [Satan]"

America has been carrying out the agenda of Zionist Jews and their God Lucifer/Satan, but Jesus Christ/God will ultimately DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL. His ways are higher than our ways, but I have a problem with all the killing too. But it would happen anyway. There has been a battle going on since The Garden [Genesis 3:15], but Jesus Christ/God, who was in the beginning and created the world and saw that it was GOOD, will have the last word, and peace will reign, and some will be resurrected to life everlasting, and some not. Everyone has to decide for themselves which number they want to be in.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   13:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#38)

Get busy then.

I was hoping for some of the ones YOU want to talk about based on your fantastick post, just below:

The key topic here, as though you did not already know, is the ongoing train of abuses perpetrated by so-called child welfare agencies which are increasing populated by perverts and ghouls.

But, if you want to escape the opportunity, its OK with me. I doubt you can talk about any with a clear perspective.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   13:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo (#37)

Citation required on your part.

you're mistaken. Citation is not required. Not required because you're an idiot and not worth discussing anything with.

Buck says taking the newborn from the family at the hospital is not a horror story. Buck says accusing people of drug abuse over morphine given to the mother at the hospital is not a horror story. This family's overall story is not a horror.

buck's an idiot. Red Jones, October 15, 2010.

there's your citation.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   13:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Red Jones, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, wudidiz, all (#43)

buck's an idiot. Red Jones, October 15, 2010.

there's your citation.

LOL!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-15   13:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Red Jones (#35)

you seem to think that everything this family says is a lie and not only that illegitimate for there to be an article speaking in their defense. Every accusation against them is true according to you.

I think no such thing. All I ever said is that none of this makes any sense. I have accused the OK of hiding relevant information by redacting documents, because they admit that this is exactly what they did, and I called them on it.

I can't say someone is lying if I don't know the truth, right? Well, we haven't gotten the truth yet.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   13:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Red Jones (#43)

Not required because you're an idiot and not worth discussing anything with.

Yeah, I remember you suggesting that J.D. Hayworth wanted to create especial taxation policies in America when he was a congressman in AZ. I asked for your citation then just as now.

You are not just a liar and a waste of BW; you are a waste of time, klown. You can't back up anything you discuss; you are a fraud.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   13:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: PSUSA (#45)

you have a point that the documents were very heavily redacted. but this story above was told from the point of view of the family victimized, and you said the whole thing was bullshit. which means you don't believe them, but instead you believe the accusations against them.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   13:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Red Jones (#47)

which means you don't believe them, but instead you believe the accusations against them.

You think that is what I mean, but you are assigning that meaning to it.

The bullshit is both coming from those writing about it, and from not knowing who and what to believe from any party.

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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen

PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-15   13:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: PSUSA (#48)

I will agree that the style of the author Will Greer makes the article a little unclear. it is still a pretty dramatic story about persecution of a family by government.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   13:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Ada (#0)

http://www.infowars.com/irish-family-baby-returned/

here's a story saying the child was given back. The fellow named Irish (the father) says the state made a mistake in confusing him with someone else named Irish and this other fellow had some charges against him.

people with a criminal record are not allowed to have children? I didn't know. these people had their child taken away right after it was born before they even got the child home. that is unfair. and without the publicity the state would not have changed its decision.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-10-15   15:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Red Jones (#50) (Edited)

without the publicity the state would not have changed its decision.

and the baby would have ended up God-only-knows-where and in-what awful circumstances.

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I think this is a link FormerLurker posted yesterday:

A Critical Look At The Foster Care System: How Widespread a Problem?

http://www.liftingtheveil.org/foster04.htm

edit again...here's the rest of it:

A Critical Look at the Foster Care System - Lifting the Veil
Jun 19, 2010 ... A comprehensive look at the foster care system. Foster care abuse, fatalities and reform efforts are examined.
www.liftingtheveil.org/series1.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-10-15   16:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent, Red Jones, buckeroo (#40)

Notice Buckie's tactic here....

I think he's just nuts.


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-10-15   18:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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