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Title: "Nobody Gets Their Kids Back " (Major Update, October 14)
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Published: Oct 15, 2010
Author: William Norman Grigg
Post Date: 2010-10-15 06:33:24 by Ada
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The "Petition for Abuse/Neglect" filed on behalf of Cheyenne Irish by New Hampshire's Division of Children, Youth, and Families (DCYF) alleges that the baby, who was born on October 6, was "neglected" by her mother on that very day in the hospital where the infant was born. What this means is that Stephanie Taylor's act of "neglect" was to give birth to her child, and that the only way she could have avoided that charge was to have Cheyenne killed in utero. Because Stephanie had neglected this supposed duty, the DCYF kidnapped Cheyenne a little more than 16 hours following her birth. Barring a near-miraculous outcome, Cheyenne's parents will never get their daughter back. So testifies New Hampshire resident Dorothy Knightly. Between August 31, 2005 and February 3, 2006, Dorothy (who prefers to be called Dot) saw three of her grandchildren abducted by the DCYF on the basis of spurious child abuse and neglect allegations. Dot's grandson Austin (who is now ten years old), was so traumatized by the kidnapping that he attempted suicide. As a result he was institutionalized and "medicated" with dangerous psychotropic drugs. Two of Dot's grandchildren have been adopted, and the DCYF won't permit any contact with the grandparents. Ally was placed with her father. All of this began on August 31, 2005, when Dot's daughter Candy gave birth to a daughter named Isabella. At some point in the pregnancy Candy developed a condition called placenta previa. Although this usually requires that the child be delivered via C-section, Candy was put on a morphine drip and Isabella was delivered normally. Predictably, this meant that a urine test found morphine in Isabella's bloodstream -- a circumstance easily explained as a result of the circumstances of her birth, but was maliciously depicted as evidence that Candy had "abused" her baby through pre-natal drug use. Isabella. Believing that this matter would be quickly and easily cleared up, Dot and her husband applied for temporary custody of Isabella in their home. They eagerly and cheerfully cooperated with the DCYF out of the common but tragically mistaken belief that agencies of that kind are operated by people who actually care about children, governed by laws, and burdened with scruples. "We let those people into our home," Knightly lamented to Pro Libertate. "We opened the door and greeted them with smiles. We offered them coffee and treated them well. We trusted them. We assured our daughter, `don't worry -- they're not going to take your baby.' We assumed that we had rights, that the law meant something, and that the people in the DCYF would have to obey the rules. We'll never make that mistake again, and we hope other people won't either." Two weeks after Isabella was born, a false child abuse report was filed with the DCYF alleging that Austin and his sister Ally had been molested by their father, who was married to Dot's other daughter, Holly.When they were notified of the accusation, Dot and Holly immediately took the children to the Southern New Hampshire Medical Center to be examined for evidence of molestation. A comprehensive screening revealed no evidence of abuse of any kind. Nonetheless, during a preliminary hearing regarding custody of Isabella on September 26, 2005, DCYF official Kate McClure unflinchingly committed perjury by claiming that the medically debunked molestation charge had been "confirmed," adorning that lie with a critical decorative detail: The purported act has supposedly taken place in the grandparents' home. Once that charge had been made by the DCYF, the fate of Dot's grandchildren was settled, in everything but the details. A DCYF document entitled "Notice to Accused Parent" explains the ground rules that govern New Hampshire's "family law" court system: "All Court hearings and records of abuse and neglect cases are confidential. The hearings are not open to the public and only people involved in the case, or invited by the parties and approved by the Court, will be admitted to the Court hearings." In practice this means that DCYF banishes from such hearings anybody who can speak effectively on behalf of the accused. A "preliminary hearing" can result in the DCYF being awarded "protective supervision or legal custody" over a child, "which would give DCYF the right to temporarily remove your child[ren] from parental care and custody and determine where and with whom your child[ren] will live," explains the document. At no point in the process is it necessary to prove that abuse occurred. Even at an "adjudicatory hearing" -- the equivalent of a criminal trial -- the standard is a "preponderance of evidence," rather than a requirement to demonstrate guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." But the threshold for a judicial decision to award custody of a child to the DCYF is merely the presentation of "evidence." In substantive terms, an anonymous, unsubstantiated accusation of abuse qualifies as "evidence." In the same fashion, "temporary," as defined in New Hampshire child abuse cases, is a synonym for "indefinite." Once a judge has granted custody or protective supervision to the DCYF, the matter is placed beyond judicial remedy, and the child's fate will be determined by the child-snatcher bureaucracy. After Candy was charged with "neglecting" Isabella by receiving a morphine drip during a difficult delivery, the grandparents were forbidden to present evidence at either the preliminary or the adjudicatory hearing. On October 3, 2005, the DCYF seized Isabella, who at the time was a little more than one month old. She was never seen again by her grandparents.Candy was allowed brief, sporadic visits until March of 2006. One particularly provocative aspect of this case involves Candy's refusal to apply for DCYF-administered welfare benefits. On September 2, 2005 -- less than a month after Isabella was born -- DCYF employee Melissa Deane tried to persuade Candy to apply for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Candy refused to do so, pointing out that she and Isabella would be living with the grandparents and wouldn't need welfare aid -- or the invasive government supervision that would come with it. On September 28 -- two days after the preliminary hearing upheld the neglect charge against Candy -- Ms. Deane signed the application and filed it herself. A few days later, DCYF kidnapped Isabella from the hospital, eventually arranging for her adoption to another family. Dot Knightly points out that as long as Isabella remained with Candy, the DCYF would not be able to obtain federal welfare funding in her name. That problem was "solved" by filing an application over the objections of Isabella's mother, and then stealing her child. The DCYF then turned its predatory attention to Dot's other daughter, Holly, and her two children, Austin and Ally. On January 19, 2006, Holly went to the hospital following a friend's suicide attempt. While there she was arrested for "belligerent behavior" by a police officer who believed that she was intoxicated. Although she was on various prescription medications (she had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder), a test confirmed that there was no alcohol in her system at the time of her arrest. Regardless of that fact, Holly was charged with "child endangerment." The arresting officer, Patrolman Josue I. Santia, delivered Holly's children Austin and Ally to Dot's home. Santia noted in his report that he and his partner "felt comfortable leaving the children in [the grandparents'] custody." On the following morning the grandparents were awarded temporary supervisory care over the children while the child endangerment charge was examined. That charge was eventually dropped, but DCYF wasn't willing to end its pursuit of Holly's kids. Darren Hood Tucker, an attorney employed by DCYF, went "judge shopping" and "found another Judge willing to modify the court order" granting temporary custody to the grandparents, Dot Knightly recounted to Pro Libertate. Tucker was able to suborn a judge into ruling that it was inappropriate for Austin and Ally to have contact with Dot's daughter Candy -- whose only "offense" had been to give birth to a child who was later abducted by the DCYF. "They sent four police officers to our home and took those children away at gunpoint," Dot recalls. "Poor Austin was literally dragged down the street kicking and screaming as the neighbors looked on." Shortly after the siblings were placed in a foster home in Merrimack, Austin -- who had no previous record of behavioral problems -- tried to hang himself. News of the suicide attempt sent Holly rushing to the hospital, where she was intercepted by DCYF caseworker Anna Salvatore. The caseworker "threatened my daughter Holly by stating that if Holly didn't sign Austin's admission to Anna Philbrook Psychiatric Hospital ... the Judge would sign a court order terminating Holly's parental rights," Dot Knightly relates. Just days earlier, Austin had been a bright-eyed, friendly, cheerful little boy. Austin's disposition and physical appearance changed dramatically after he was seized by armed strangers and forced to take mind-altering drugs. During the four months that DCYF caseworker Anna Salvatore was on maternity leave (remember that detail; I'll return to it momentarily), Dot, her husband, and Austin's mother were able to have one brief phone call with Austin and his attending physician at the Psychiatric Hospital. The doctor told Dot that "after Austin spoke to his family his whole demeanor changed ... and he was not the same violent little boy as when he was admitted." When DCYF Supervisor Tracy Gubbins learned of that phone call, she issued instructions that there would be no further contact between Austin and his grandparents or his mother. Austin with his Grandpa. The only reason Dot was able to talk to her grandson was because the newly single caseworker was on maternity leave. Dot believes that Anna Salvatore -- who is now known as Anna Edlund -- may have become pregnant as a result of an affair. "Holly and her husband had been having problems, but after this whole mess began they actually moved into a new apartment and seemed to be starting over," Dot told Pro Libertate. "The caseworker, or `home-wrecker,' Anna Salvatore found out about this and had them separated again within a week. Then Salvatore started to visit Holly's husband on nights and weekends, with or without the children, which eventually ruined her own marriage. And then she ended up divorced and pregnant -- after tearing my daughter's family apart." After Austin was placed in a "pre-adoptive" home, Dot -- with the help of the new caseworker -- was able to arrange a few brief, supervised visits with Austin. During one of them, the traumatized little boy quietly informed his grandmother: "They told me that Holly's not my mother anymore." "Honey, Holly is still your mother and will always be your mother," Dot replied -- thereby triggering the DCYF's retaliation reflex. "From that time, all further visits were canceled," she recalled to Pro Libertate. Not even this could be considered the crowning act of cruelty inflicted on this long-suffering family by New Hampshire's child "protection" racket. By 2008, Dot -- who still hoped that she would be permitted to care for her grandchildren -- had completed her coursework to be a state-certified foster parent, but was refused a license. She was told by DCYF official Lorraine Bartlett that she would never be permitted to care for Austin out of fear that she would take him off the toxic psychotropic drugs he was forced to take. Through a steady series of dilatory and obstructionist maneuvers, the DCYF made it impossible for Dot to qualify as a foster parent for her grandchildren. When it was decided that Austin would be adopted by another couple, Dot and her husband were instructed by Bartlett to write a good-bye letter to their grandson in order to bring "closure" to the atrocity. This gesture reminds me a bit of the way that firing squads employed by Ethiopian despot Mengistu Haile Mariam would force families of the victims to pay for the ammunition used to murder their loved ones. Dot insisted that she would continue her legal efforts to get Austin back. "Nobody gets their kids back in New Hampshire," replied the DCYF official. "The government gives us the power to decide how these cases turn out. Everyone who fights us loses." (Note: This is a slightly edited version of the original essay; some details have been changed in the interests of clarity.) UPDATE -- According to a source on the ground in New Hampshire who is very close to the principals in the story, Cheyenne Irish was not sexually abused. She was rushed to be examined by a specialist dealing with victims of child sexual abuse; that specialist reportedly concluded that no abuse had occurred. In interviews today, Jonathan Irish's father has made it abundantly clear that he considers his son to be a disturbed and potentially dangerous individual. That view is reportedly shared by other people long acquainted with Mr. Irish. Assuming -- for now -- that there is merit to that characterization, we're still left with this question: If the father is the problem, why was the mother charged with neglect for the act of having the baby? UPDATE, October 14: Sometimes, They Do Get Their Kids Back... ... if the parents in question can create a nation-wide controversy over the kidnapping. Reports the New Hampshire Union- Leader: "Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor emerged from a closed family court hearing Thursday afternoon with smiles on their faces and indicated they may be getting back their daughter Cheyenne, whom state officials took from them hours after her birth last week." A local TV report unequivocally states that Cheyenne has already been returned to her parents: Interestingly, Johnathan Irish's mother was on hand in what appears to be a supporting role. This contrasts sharply with the attitude of Mr. Irish's biological father, who has conspicuously approved of the DCYF's action in abducting Cheyenne.
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
Bullshit. In fact this whole article is one big steaming pile of bullshit. Barring a near-miraculous outcome, Cheyenne's parents will never get their daughter back. So testifies New Hampshire resident Dorothy Knightly. Between August 31, 2005 and February 3, 2006... What is the point in linking 2 unrelated stories? The writer has evidently taken classes in the Alex Jones School of Journalism. I know why the stories are linked. It's to generate outrage. What the hell is going on with people and this story? This is nuts. From the very start of this incident it has been one idiotic act after another. .
What this means is that Stephanie Taylor's act of "neglect" was to give birth to her child, and that the only way she could have avoided that charge was to have Cheyenne killed in utero. Because Stephanie had neglected this supposed duty, the DCYF kidnapped Cheyenne a little more than 16 hours following her birth.
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#2. To: PSUSA, ada (#1)
i agree w/ you on this one. linking the stories is a desperate attempt to milk attention. also, what you know i have asked about the venerable 'oathkeepers' years ago is, they always claim to uphold their oath. so, do the cops who are members of oathkeepers, (if there actually are any active cop members), do they IMPOUND CARS AT CHECKPOINTS, seize kids with cps social workers, and do all the other sorts of things that are ordinary pig duties in america on a day to day basis? Or, is this sudden 'ardent opposition to all things cps' a brand new deal for the oathkeepers? if so, WHY? I would like if anyone can give me a single condemntation of cps practices by anyone in oathkeeprs from before this irish case.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#3. To: PSUSA (#1)
side note: will grigg, formerly of john birchers, the author of this, had his own home visited by cps & wrote about it. i have no idea if he is a member of oathkeepers.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#4. To: Ada (#0)
"Nobody gets their kids back in New Hampshire," replied the DCYF official. "The government gives us the power to decide how these cases turn out. Everyone who fights us loses." There's the problem; they have turned the world upside down and made themselves god, and made the children of God their fictional creation [the STRAWMAN] via the fraudulent 14th Amendment. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God....... 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan [see Satan On Our Dollar] with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-4.htm ----------------------------------------- SUI JURIS - THE TRUTH IN THE RECORD A PROCESS FOR THE PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE COURTS By Pamela and Will Gaston Chapter 1 Opening The Book Inalienable Rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. (Morrison C State, Mo, App., 2422 SW 2d 97, 101) Sovereign: A person, body or state in which Supreme authority is vested. (The Supreme Authority formerly belonging to the King was vested in The People - freeborn Natural Persons, in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights through a Republican form of government.) Where is YOUR SOVEREIGNTY in this hierarchy? Page 3 Page 4 An innocent, Natural Man or Woman is literally "above the Law". He or she stands ON this Constitutional foundation as revealed in the diagram above. The restrictions apply to Government from the Constitution down through the Administrative and Corporate structures and are not applicable to Free, Natural persons. The Constitution does not bestow rights on anyone. Your Inherent Rights come from your Creator. You possess them yourself, naturally. The Constitution is a restriction on the government, not on you, preventing your sovereign, Inherent Rights from being violated. Your sovereignty exists literally where you stand, and by birthright, reiterated by the Constitution. Yet most people mistakenly think of themselves "below" the standing of an attorney. Seeing themselves at the bottom of this pyramid, they are "standing under" or "understanding" that they gave their rights up when they agreed to allow someone else to "represent" them. (Now you know what you just gave the judge when he asked if you "understood" what he was doing to you in court ! And you said "yes", NOT understanding at all that it means you "stand under" in agreement with his process. The court from then on says you "admitted" that you "understood" the "charges". An Inherent Right is a RIGHT, not a privilege, the exercise of which cannot lawfully be restricted with a tax or license or permission by the government. The diagram above rightfully outlines the hierarchy wherein our freedom and Republican Authority of the People is found and which Authority must be asserted and exercised. familyrights.us/bin/sui_juris/ ----------------------------------------- The above is an online book I have been trying to get ahold of for years, written by Pamela and Will Gaston, after their daughter was kidnapped and abused by the State of Oregon, and forced into child prostitution. You might want to make copies for a reference in case you get dragged into their Luciferian courts, and pass it along to everyone.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#5. To: Ada (#4)
fraudulent 14th amendment...... "The powers of government were never given the jurisdiction to do the things they are doing today. Many laws, taxes, restrictions and government powers come from this post-constructional (89 years later) jurisdiction. Abortion, Roe V. Wade, prayer in school, gun control are all fruits of the tree of this unlawful and unconstitutional jurisdiction. I will demonstrate, with facts and freely available documents, how this unconstitutional jurisdiction came to be and how to fix it. - Bruce Ray Riggs [ www.bruceforussenate.com ] VIEW VIDEO ----------------- I've only watched the first 3 and 1/2 minutes, so far, but so far, it's great.
[What started it all for Will and Pamela Gaston www.avoiceforchildren.com/in_the/beginning.html ]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#6. To: PSUSA (#1)
It SHOULD generate outrage. I don't care how the message gets out about the abuse heaped on America's children by the state in the name of "protecting" them. My God said "the hidden things of darkness will be brought to light", and in the case of child molestation by the state, it's past time. And I hope their trying to tarnish patriots with their phony self-righteousness back-fires big time.
What is the point in linking 2 unrelated stories? The writer has evidently taken classes in the Alex Jones School of Journalism. I know why the stories are linked. It's to generate outrage.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
But that outrage should not be artificially generated. That is what this article does. This is what a lot of these articles do. I don't care how the message gets out about the abuse heaped on America's children by the state in the name of "protecting" them. Well, I do care. If the message is based on lies, what good does it do? When those lies are found out, and they will be found out, then your support goes away. This could be what their true goal is in what I see as a psyop in progress. Otherwise none of this makes any sense. To generate this outrage, the truth is enough. There's no need to play psychological games and spreading rumors, half-truths, and outright lies. And I hope their trying to tarnish patriots with their phony self-righteousness back-fires big time. And how did they find out that he is/was "affiliated" with the OK .org? Who gave them that info? Why was it included in the affadavit(s)? Who is gaining from having that info included? Is it the OK and the publicity generated or is it the PTB that gains? I can see how both would gain. That makes both suspect. .
It SHOULD generate outrage.
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#8. To: Artisan (#2)
This is precisely why I am suspicious of OK, and have been for some time now. That is where it starts. It builds from there. ,
i agree w/ you on this one. linking the stories is a desperate attempt to milk attention. also, what you know i have asked about the venerable 'oathkeepers' years ago is, they always claim to uphold their oath. so, do the cops who are members of oathkeepers, (if there actually are any active cop members), do they IMPOUND CARS AT CHECKPOINTS, seize kids with cps social workers, and do all the other sorts of things that are ordinary pig duties in america on a day to day basis? Or, is this sudden 'ardent opposition to all things cps' a brand new deal for the oathkeepers? if so, WHY? I would like if anyone can give me a single condemntation of cps practices by anyone in oathkeeprs from before this irish case.
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#9. To: PSUSA (#7)
Ask the ADL. They monitor everything we do. I wonder how long they had been monitoring Mr. Irish. This might really be a stretch, and I have too much on my computer to go back and check yesterday's thread wherein Former Lurker discovered the pdf file bearing a child abuse case where the mother was given a pseudonym that just happened to match the name of the mother in this case. Wasn't that just last year? Were these people set up even before the child was born, to "get" Mr. Irish? I realize this might be a stretch, but if I had enough memory, I'd go check the timeline here. I put NOTHING past the ADL and the SPLC. I think this benefits them more than it could possibly benefit Oathkeepers.
And how did they find out that he is/was "affiliated" with the OK .org? Who gave them that info?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#10. To: PSUSA (#7) (Edited)
But that outrage should not be artificially generated. That is what this article does. This is what a lot of these articles do. Octavia explained yesterday how the blood could be a natural process after birth. I vaguely remember hearing that when my first child was born, but I forgot all about it. How many people know about it? Did Mr. Irish? If he knew it could be explained away in this way, and that his child was NOT abused by the State, would he have risked getting egg on his face by making a big hoopla about it? What benefit would that have been? Unless he works for ADL or SPLC [just thought of that possibility....maybe you already had. "By deception thou shalt do war."?]
It SHOULD generate outrage.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
Ask the ADL You (generically speaking) have to go off of what you know. I asked that question because I don't know. Until we do know, we can only ask who benefits, as well as try and make sense of a story that makes very little sense. I came to the conclusion that both parties benefit and that makes them both suspect. We haven't gotten the truth yet. All we have now is a bunch of actions from all sides that just don't fit. Just because the ADL is a bunch of kike scumbags doesn't mean that they have a hand in this. .
And how did they find out that he is/was "affiliated" with the OK .org? Who gave them that info?
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)
I didn't. That's why I asked Octavia. For all I knew, Octavia could have written that blood was a 100% sign of sex abuse, proving the OP right, and proving me wrong. I bet he (or she) didn't know either and panicked, either at the thought of sexual abuse or other reasons for internal bleeding. I don't fault him / her for that. The online hoopla was probably generated by others. .
How many people know about it?
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#13. To: PSUSA (#11)
true. Just because the ADL is a bunch of kike scumbags doesn't mean that they have a hand in this. I personally, would be VERY surprised if they [or the SPLC] didn't [Oathkeepers is on the recent SPLC list of enemies for the police to watch, if I remember correctly]....and if by any chance Irish is working FOR them, the child could be in very real danger, a sacrificial lamb to tarnish Oathkeepers further. As I said, I put NOTHING past those two outfits.
We haven't gotten the truth yet. All we have now is a bunch of actions from all sides that just don't fit.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)
I don't. I wouldn't put it past them to include "patriot" .orgs on their "watch lists" just so they can give those "patriot" .orgs a credibility boost. They know we monitor them, the same way they monitor us. They have to know that. .
As I said, I put NOTHING past those two outfits.
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#15. To: PSUSA (#14)
Tim Turner comes to mind. I hope he's for real; I THINK he's for real, but I really don't know for sure.
I wouldn't put it past them to include "patriot" .orgs on their "watch lists" just so they can give those "patriot" .orgs a credibility boost
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#16. To: Ada (#0)
People used to worry that gypsies would steal children. For a period, they worried that Mormons would steal children. Now, you have to worry about the gooberment stealing your children and giving them away to others. This is about lawyers and lobbyists getting legislators to pass laws to steal the children of "unworthy parents". Then they give them to well-heeled and connected couples, the types who waited to long to have kids of their own. Or where the woman was left barren from abortions and the general pill-craze and our awful food industry. What is a newborn white baby girl worth in political donations? Naturally, the media has no interest in investigating any of this.
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#15)
I've chosen to trust none of them. There's no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. Who anointed them as leaders in the first place? And a wrong guess can be disastrous. But that's just me. ,
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#18. To: PSUSA (#17) (Edited)
The usual suspects. From SUI JURIS: "...The counterfeit statutory system relies on deception to keep it sustainable, and the fear of the people to say no, keeps it fed. Whenever you lose your children, your property, your inheritances, your money, your freedom, or anything of value, it is taken from you in a courtroom. The Fifth Amendment to the Bill of Rights guarantees that if anything is taken from you that you must be allowed a fair hearing, a trial by jury and Constitutional Judicial Due Process, and just compensation if it is not returned. None of this is being enforced at this time. Additionally, plans are being implemented called Justice 2020, the "Community Courts of Tomorrow" and "21st Century Courts", assessment centers and permanent, shared databases for the STATE, with all Constitutionally protected Inherent Rights removed. Much of the agenda is already in place, and must be stopped....." Will Gaston was the only person to make me aware of the Justice 2020 agenda, back when they were murdering Terri Schiavo. I only found a little on it back then; haven't tried to find anything recently. Everytime I have looked though, the web seemed to be swept clean for the most part. 2020 is 400 years from when the Pilgrims came to America [Bush's ancestors came over on the Mayflower, btw]. I am convinced the Pilgrims were wolves in sheep's clothing. 400 years is the time the Bible [sorry!] says THE CHURCH would be afflicted in this country. [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16,17...29/"The US Is Still a [Judeo-] British Colony"]. It's a religious thang. Psalm 2:10-12 [possibly connected with this: watch.pair.com/dan.html / watch.pair.com/law.html ]. Will Gaston knows all about the Talmud and the Noahide Laws, the more reason they tried to destroy him. ================= edit. Terri Schiavo was murdered as a result of the 14th Amendment by the way. Her birth certificate [STRAWMAN] and marriage license made her the PROPERTY of the state, to be DISPOSED OF at will [and to set a precedent for the rest of us].
Who anointed them as leaders in the first place?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#19. To: PSUSA (#1)
This article was a test of your reading skills and ability to discern fantasy from reality. You pass the test.
What the hell is going on with people and this story?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#20. To: PSUSA (#18) (Edited)
Will Gaston knows all about the Talmud and the Noahide Laws, the more reason they tried to destroy him. look what i found: Jewish Roots of the American Constitution « The State of America [ON THE PIC, IN THE TOP LEFT-HAND CORNER: 1620 "....7. During the colonial and constitution-making period, the Americans, especially the Puritans, adopted and adapted various Hebraic laws for their own governance. The legislation of New Haven, for example, was based on the premise that “the judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses, and as they are a fence to the moral law, being neither … ceremonial, nor ha[ving] any reference to Canaan, shall … generally bind all offenders, till they be branched out into particulars hereafter.” Thirty-eight of seventy-nine statutes in the New Haven Code of 1665 derived their authority from the Hebrew Bible. The laws of Massachusetts were based on the same premise. 8. The fifteen Capital Laws of New England included the “Seven Noahide Laws” of the Torah, or what may be termed the seven universal laws of morality. Six prohibit idolatry, blasphemy, murder, robbery, adultery, and eating flesh from a living animal, while the seventh requires the establishment of courts of justice. Such courts are obviously essential to any society based on the primacy of reason or persuasion rather than passion or intimidation. 9. The seven universal laws of morality (together with their particular branches) comprised a “genial orthodoxy.” This genial orthodoxy transcends whatever social or economic distinctions exist among men: it holds all men equal before the law. By so doing it places constraints on governors and governors alike and thereby habituated Americans to the rule of law. As a further consequence, this ancient Hebraic orthodoxy dissolved or subordinated many ethnic differences among immigrants in the new world. It moderated the demands of various groups, helped coordinate their diverse interests and talents, and thereby contributed to America’s growth and prosperity. 10. Now, without minimizing the influence of such philosophers as Locke and Montesquieu on the framers of the American Constitution, I believe America may rightly be deemed the first and only nation that was explicitly founded on the Seven Noahide Laws of the Torah. Indeed, the legislation of the several states comprising the Federal Union embodied these laws—including the prohibitions against blasphemy and adultery—well into the nineteenth century. It should also be noted that the constitutions of eleven of the original thirteen states made provision for religious education. Some even had religious qualifications for office. 11. Strange as it may seem, the Seven Noahide Laws were recently and explicitly incorporated in Public Law 102-14, which established March 26, 1991 as “Education Day”! What presumably saves this Congressional joint resolution from violating the First Amendment is its silence about the Hebraic origin of the Noahide code. Here I must digress for a moment and say a word about the First Amendment. 12. The First Amendment states that, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion …” This clause is now misunderstood. It was intended not to prevent Congress from enacting laws supportive of religion, but to prohibit Congress from establishing a state or national religion. In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared: Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle. Incidentally, the theme of Washington’s Farewell Address is national unity. National unity, he believed, requires national morality, a precondition of which is religion. Religion and morality counter man’s natural inclination to self-indulgence and his tendency to be preoccupied with the immediate gratification of his own desires. Religion and morality foster self-restraint and consideration of others. Far more than secular humanism, religion inspires men with reverence, with deference to wisdom, with concern for posterity. But these ideas are Jewish ideas, rooted in the Seven Noahide Laws......." http://thestateofamerica.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/jewish-...[sorry, not complete URL; too much stuff on my computer] That's why we've got SATAN ON OUR DOLLAR [ www.jesus-is-savior.com ] . The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.
Will Gaston was the only person to make me aware of the Justice 2020 agenda, 2020 is 400 years from when the Pilgrims came to America [Bush's ancestors came over on the Mayflower, btw]. I am convinced the Pilgrims were wolves in sheep's clothing. 400 years is the time the Bible [sorry!] says THE CHURCH would be afflicted in this country. [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16,17...29/"The US Is Still a [Judeo-] British Colony"]. It's a religious thang. Psalm 2:10-12 [possibly connected with this: watch.pair.com/dan.html / watch.pair.com/law.html ].
2020
Anno Domini ]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)
Don't climb out on a tall tree's limb and saw it off. You won't float but will fall down according to Sir Isaac Newton; you remember the apple story, correct?
The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#22. To: buckeroo (#21) (Edited)
don't be a shill. =============== edit. p.s. for anyone who wants to know about how this CON came about, try searching "america land of the free or home of the slave sweetliberty.com jewishpersecution18" [or jewishpersecution19; i forget]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)
hahahahahaha. Of course it was designed that way. The US Constitution clearly states the same in the so-called first amendment of 1793. Hard to believe that the US federal government was NOT supposed to be a method of worship isn't it?
The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#24. To: Ada (#0)
it sounds like the state of New Hampshire has badly persecuted this family. we should re-think these state agencies that take children. They do more injustice themselves than would occur if they did not exist.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
AMEN! SING IT SISTER! The Choir is here to back you up. Pardon my French but screw the Statist bastards.
And I hope their trying to tarnish patriots with their phony self-righteousness back-fires big time.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#26. To: buckeroo (#23) (Edited)
Of course it was designed that way. The US Constitution clearly states the same in the so-called first amendment of 1793. Hard to believe that the US federal government was NOT supposed to be a method of worship isn't it? Not for me....the Bible foretold it! Ezekiel 17:1-10 The battle of the two eagles. The first one [Ezekiel 17:1-6] is God John 15:1-2. The second one is the CONstitution/US Government, ADORNED WITH THE ROTHSCHILD EAGLE [SATAN ON OUR DOLLAR www.jesus-is-savior.com ], Ezekiel 17:7-10. It will WITHER AWAY/BE ROOTED UP: MATTHEW 15:13. PSALM 2. ================ edit. Ezekiel 17:1-10 The battle of the two eagles. The first one [Ezekiel 17:1-6] is God John 15:1-2. see also Exodus 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians and bore you on EAGLE'S WINGS and received you unto myself. see John 14:3 I go and prepare a place for you. I will come again and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also. Ezekiel 17:1-10 to the "house of Israel" ["the church is Israel now"] is a riddle! You have to connect all the dots. Folks who are looking for the earth to be destroyed and to being transported to never-never-land, probably won't get this.
The CONstitution was anti-Christ from the beginning.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#27. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle. Well, from looking at our past and present, all of that religion and morality hasn't gotten us very far. Technology advances, people don't. We're not much better than israhell in that regard. On second thought, we're much worse. How many millions have we murdered in the name of "god" and country? This is what revering the bloodthirsty insane lying kike "god" gets you. .
In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared:
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#28. To: TooConservative (#16)
that is a major problem right there. The little newborn baby was taken due to alleged abuse of other children, not the particular newborn taken recently. and the other children came under suspicion because of events that occurred years ago. and throughout it all the accusations of the government are presumed true without examination. but the family's side of the story is considered illegitimate. the system drugs up the children and destroys the families. That is the real abuse.
Naturally, the media has no interest in investigating any of this.
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
#29. To: Original_Intent (#25)
Pardon my French but screw the Statist bastards. Pardoned!
thank you....
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#30. To: Red Jones, FormerLurker, PSUSA, Artisan, wudidiz, christine, all (#24)
Exactly. The fundamental problem is that many of them are corrupt. This is a subject that FL knows considerably more about than I do as he appears to have done a lot of research on it - particularly the Franklin Scandal, and the Callboys at the Bush I White House. However, while superficially they might seem disrelated there seems to be a thread that runs through the use of children as sex slaves and State operated so-called "Child Welfare Agencies". As Artisan pointed out the scandal involving multiple dead children in the Florida System and the use of child and teen inmates in the Texas Reform school system as sex toys are well documented - even though the lamestream Presstitutes were more or less forced into covering it because the stench was so bad they could not ignore and remain credible. Of course the Statist tools such as PSUSA will continue to try to continue to obscure and confuse the issues but the volume of evidence is growing to the point to where there apologetics and disinformation are at best a holding action to try to delay recognition of the problem among a broader audience.
we should re-think these state agencies that take children. They do more injustice themselves than would occur if they did not exist.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#31. To: Original_Intent (#25)
Watch out there, O_I. There could be a catholic priest right behind you .... backing you up so to speak.
The Choir is here to back you up. Pardon my French but screw the Statist bastards.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#32. To: Original_Intent, all (#30)
That's a first for me. No one has ever called me a "statist" before. I've been called everything but, at one time or another, but never that. Calling bullshit on this one incident doesn't make anyone a statist. But perhaps you think calling people names helps you make your case, whatever that case is. What does your little rant have to do with the OP? Nothing. Not one thing. You are again being a distraction from the OP topic. I guess you just can't help yourself. Put down the fire water and maybe you can start making sense. .
Of course the Statist tools such as PSUSA will continue to try to continue to obscure and confuse the issues but the volume of evidence is growing to the point to where there apologetics and disinformation are at best a holding action to try to delay recognition of the problem among a broader audience.
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#33. To: PSUSA, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, all (#27)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports…. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle. Well, from looking at our past and present, all of that religion and morality hasn't gotten us very far. Technology advances, people don't. We're not much better than israhell in that regard. On second thought, we're much worse. How many millions have we murdered in the name of "god" and country? This is what revering the bloodthirsty insane lying kike "god" gets you. Here to stir in a little hate to try to get people not to look I see. You are a gut little Gestapo Officer. How are things in the basement of FBI HQ today? Millions were not murdered in the name of God and your attempt to say so is superficial at best, and that is being kind. Because someone uses religion as a cover for foul deeds does not make it a result of religion but of the actions of the person who falsely and pervertedly claims religion as an excuse. Just as the Talmudists take the hateful writings of hate filled scribes as justification for foul deeds does not make it the word of God or God's law. To assert otherwise is simply an untruth. However, no logical argument will dissuade you from spreading the hate you seek to sow as it is not based on logic or reason, but just irrational hate emanating from some hate filled bowel within you.
In his “Farewell Address,” George Washington declared:
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#34. To: PSUSA (#32) (Edited)
As you well know, or should, the discussion has proceeded to much broader and fundamental issues. The key topic here, as though you did not already know, is the ongoing train of abuses perpetrated by so-called child welfare agencies which are increasingly populated by perverts and ghouls. This one case simply illustrates a few points: The arbitrary and capricious power asserted, and exerted, by such agencies. The abuse they perpetrate while falsely claiming to help. The lack of a check on the system or a means of seeking impartial redress of grievance against them. And in this specific case the backdoor attempt to smear the Oath Keepers in the process. However, I expect you will continue to try to divert from those key points. That's a hell of "living" you've marked out for yourself. Spend that blood money in good hellth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#35. To: PSUSA (#32)
I tended to agree with O_I on that one. you seem to think that everything this family says is a lie and not only that illegitimate for there to be an article speaking in their defense. Every accusation against them is true according to you. that is a horribly abusive bureaucracy. and think - this type of thing does happen all over the country. We've all read and heard horror stories. To be good citizens like PSUSA we're all supposed to agree with the government's accusations to justify the abuse. Barry Goldwater wrote in his auto-biography that he does not favor funding these state agencies that take people's children. He said laws against abuse should be enforced, but when you have a bureaucracy you are just inviting abuse by the bureaucracy. I used to say that Goldwater was pro-choice on child abuse. But he was right.
Statist tools such as PSUSA
Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)
Citation required.
The key topic here, as though you did not already know, is the ongoing train of abuses perpetrated by so-called child welfare agencies which are increasing populated by perverts and ghouls.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#37. To: Red Jones (#35)
Not me other than families and friends (normally on some form of dope) abusing children. Here and there, a school teacher having sex with a student.... but NEVER social welfare employees. Citation required on your part.
We've all read and heard horror stories.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#38. To: buckeroo (#36)
Get busy then. Here's your link: RESEARCH TOOL
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#39. To: Original_Intent (#33)
Great! We got another field agent, and she is H. O. T. HOT! I'm doin' her tonight! But you can again have the last word. No more distractions. .
You are a gut little Gestapo Officer. How are things in the basement of FBI HQ today?
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The second dumbest creature on the face of the earth is the one who cannot recognize its enemies. The most stupid of all is the one who will defend and collaborate with the very enemies that are destroying it and its own kind. -Ben Klassen
#40. To: Red Jones, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, wudidiz, all (#35)
Notice Buckie's tactic here. Demand proof of information freely in the public domain in great volume, but to try and obscure that fact behave as though it is not and to try and discredit by stating such a false assumption.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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