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Title: Baby Cheyenne returned to parents after Rochester hearing: Parents can't comment, but dad happy after hearing protested by Oath Keepers
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URL Source: http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... GJNEWS_01/710159937/-1/fosnews
Published: Oct 15, 2010
Author: Aaron Sanborn
Post Date: 2010-10-15 19:19:09 by christine
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Views: 481
Comments: 33

DOVER — Exiting Rochester Family Court into the midst of roughly 100 protesters on Thursday, Johnathan Irish clearly had something to smile about.

The court had just held a hearing on the future of Cheyenne, the infant daughter of Irish and Stephanie Taylor, who was taken into the custody of the New Hampshire Division of Children, Youth and Families shortly after her birth on Thursday, Oct. 7.

Neither would comment about the hearing's outcome, citing state confidentiality laws.

"I would love to comment, but we can't," Taylor said.

However, Irish used a smile to indicate the hearing's outcome.

"A picture's worth a thousand words. What's a smile worth?" he asked.

Prior to Thursday's hearing, Irish denied DCYF claims that Cheyenne could be in danger.

The Epsom couple's case has made national headlines in the last few days because of the Oath Keepers connection that was referenced in affidavit.

About 100 people gathered in front of the Strafford County Superior Court on Thursday to protest a reference that was made to the Oath Keepers organization in an affidavit related to the local child custody case.

The Oath Keepers, are a group that pledges to defend the Constitution and to oppose government tyranny.

They group was referenced in a DCYF affidavit as a political affiliation of Irish.

Those who attended Thursday's protest were outraged that an affiliation with the Oath Keepers would be mentioned in an affidavit related to a child custody case.

The affidavit for the case is sealed and Oath Keepers only provided the excerpt of the affidavit that referenced them. That excerpt allegedly states, "The Division (DCYF) became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, "Oath Keepers," and had purchased several different types of weapons, including a rifle, handgun and Taser."

"This is not just a child custody case, it's about the First Amendment," said Oath Keepers founder and President Stewart Rhodes.

Rhodes and the Oath Keepers issued a demand letter to DCYF on Thursday asking for the removal of Oath Keepers from the affidavit.

"We wouldn't be here and this wouldn't be a national issue if our name wasn't in there," he said.

Maggie Bishop, the director of DCYF, has gone on record saying that allegations that the state seized the newborn girl over her father's political affiliations don't reflect the division's policies.

Bishop has declined to discuss the specifics of the case because of confidentiality requirements.

The newborn, Cheyenne, was taken by DCYF officials hours after her birth last Thursday at Concord Hospital.

It has been reported that the DCYF affidavit stated there was a lengthy history of domestic violence between Irish and the baby's mother.

Rhodes said he wasn't concerning himself with the child custody case; his concern is strictly about his group being associated with the case. He fears that people will be hesitant to join the group after hearing about this case.

Rhodes said he would file a lawsuit if the organization's name isn't removed from the affidavit.

"This is a very important case," he said. "We can't have a precedent set that allows them to list people's affiliations whenever CPS (child protective services) comes to your doorstep."

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#1. To: FormerLurker (#0)

i just copied and pasted rather than going to the source.

christine  posted on  2010-10-15   19:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

i just copied and pasted rather than going to the source.

Yep, that's probably what I should have done the 2nd time. Weird how preview looked good though, yet messed up in the actual post.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-15   19:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Johnathon Irish, Stephanie and Cheyenne- Reunited

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-15   21:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GreyLmist (#3)

Johnathon Irish, Stephanie and Cheyenne- Reunited

Ahh .... Isn't that cute?

One thing you forgot to bring up is how Stephanie gave up two earlier children because of her own neglect. And Johnny? In the past he has a long string of known violence about him and has refused therapy.

What makes you think Cheyenne has a chance in HELL to survive?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   21:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

you think a guy should be mandated 'therapy' by the state if he has a temper? eegads buck. give me a break with such bullshit. hell, you yourself should be in a straightjacket if those standards would apply. that is feminist b.s. mandated therapy . 'anger management classes'. taught by little social workers. fuck. give me a break with that b.s.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-16   0:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GreyLmist (#3)

the tattoo on her boob is such a nice touch! aww! lol! sorry couldnt resist

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-16   0:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#4)

One thing you forgot to bring up is how Stephanie gave up two earlier children because of her own neglect. And Johnny? In the past he has a long string of known violence about him and has refused therapy.

I counted four times in this thread where you said "citation required" or words to that effect. Do you think you shouldn't be required to source your claims, buck, or don't you have anything but gossip? You do realize, don't you, that false accusers have been known to sic CPS and the police on people just to make their lives a misery, swing divorce rulings in their favor, etc.?

What makes you think Cheyenne has a chance in HELL to survive?

Do you believe they'd let her go home to parents they think unfit just to get the Oathkeepers out of the way?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-16   3:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Artisan (#5)

that is feminist b.s. mandated therapy . 'anger management classes'. taught by little social workers. fuck. give me a break with that b.s.

Commie social workers who even preach that guys whistling at girls is abusive. Such a business.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-16   3:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Artisan (#6)

sorry couldnt resist

I'm not perfect so I decided not to cast any stones at you. But might not be a bad idea to wear a hardhat for a while anyway, just in case I change my mind. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-16   3:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GreyLmist (#7)

Do you believe they'd let her [Cheyenne] go home to parents they think unfit just to get the Oathkeepers out of the way?

As Rhodes said, it is a court of publick opinion.... so yes.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-16   14:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Artisan (#5)

you think a guy should be mandated 'therapy' by the state if he has a temper?

Irish has been lucky so far. Some of his violent rampages have gone unnoticed and only the tip of the iceberg has been demonstrated in court and the rulings .. are far too lenient. His therapy classes were court mandated; please recognize that when you or anyone go to court for repeated similar offenses ... something is very wrong.

If I had been the judge of his earlier wanton violent streaks, he would have been incarcerated.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-16   14:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

Irish has been lucky so far. Some of his violent rampages have gone unnoticed and only the tip of the iceberg has been demonstrated in court and the rulings .. are far too lenient. His therapy classes were court mandated; please recognize that when you or anyone go to court for repeated similar offenses ... something is very wrong.

If I had been the judge of his earlier wanton violent streaks, he would have been incarcerated.

Perhaps your children, or grandchildren, should be taken away from you by the state. Lets see how calm you would be.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-10-16   14:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PaulCJ (#12)

Hey pal, I have no record of criminal offenses nor have I ever hurt or abused women and children. Irish has a long list of violence.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-16   14:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#13)

Hey pal, I have no record of criminal offenses nor have I ever hurt or abused women and children. Irish has a long list of violence.

All someone has to do is falsely accuse you, and you are considered violent. The judge in this case probably was pissed off at child services.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-10-16   14:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PaulCJ (#14)

All someone has to do is falsely accuse you, and you are considered violent.

Not quite true in a US court of law unless the defendant has no method of reasonable denial about the same charges brought up.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-16   15:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#11)

His therapy classes were court mandated; please recognize that when you or anyone go to court for repeated similar offenses ... something is very wrong

I don't believe in court madated therapy classes. that could be a thread in itself. if a man commits a crime, against person or property, put him to trial and if convicted, give him a real sentence and make him pay restitution. therapy as a sentence is bogus.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-17   15:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#16)

therapy as a sentence is bogus.

That is because the so-called "therapy" is bogus.

If it really worked that would be one thing, but it doesn't. From what I've read people going through these "anger management" programs very often come out angrier than when they went it, and if they weren't angry before they are now. They are all based on the premise that the person there for the "therapy" will think, and does think, as the "therapist" thinks they think, and when you tell someone wrongly "this is how you think" and they don't think that way it sets off an internal protest which can really screw a person up if they weren't already.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-17   15:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Artisan (#16)

I don't believe in court madated therapy classes. that could be a thread in itself. if a man commits a crime, against person or property, put him to trial and if convicted, give him a real sentence and make him pay restitution. therapy as a sentence is bogus.

The court orders in this case are purely local in nature and are up to the judge of the case. Obviously, it was felt that Irish possessed some redeeming social qualities so as to NOT imprison him but instead seek some sort of remedial action such as counseling to some degree.

But he violated that same court order. In fact Irish is such a maniac that he ran around lying about the Oath Keepers to begin with. Check this out:

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-17   15:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#17)

That is because the so-called "therapy" is bogus

I think that it's important to have confidants, someone trusted that you can share your problem with, and work out undecided issues or dilemas, etc. I do not think that a paid 'licensed' 'therapist' is the best bet in this regard, by any means. Isn't that what friends are, or should be, for? lol.

In this soceity as you have pointed out before, people are isolated and do not connect with others as they should. The proliferation of internet social networks and forums may in fact be evidence of this.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-17   15:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo, 4 (#18)

I think this video has stopped, immediately, any interest I may have had in this wing-nut family.

People! you've had your fifteen minutes, now go away.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-17   15:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#19)

That is because the so-called "therapy" is bogus

I think that it's important to have confidants, someone trusted that you can share your problem with, and work out undecided issues or dilemas, etc. I do not think that a paid 'licensed' 'therapist' is the best bet in this regard, by any means. Isn't that what friends are, or should be, for? lol.

In this soceity as you have pointed out before, people are isolated and do not connect with others as they should. The proliferation of internet social networks and forums may in fact be evidence of this.

Having someone willing to listen is a good thing. It can be a Priest, a friend, a sibling, a parent, or even your dog or cat. When a person is troubled they need someone to talk to whom they can trust, and someone preferably willing to listen while suspending judgment and not telling the person what they think. The last is the most important. Telling someone what they think does either 1 of 2 things both of which are bad. It either short circuits the cognitive process i.e., a lesson is best learned when a person figures it out for themselves. Now you can help this a long with a little Socratic Dialogue i.e., asking questions which cause the person to think and evaluate. If you do that make sure you get an answer to the question - people will seek to avoid pain and sometimes you have to look. Also let them know you heard their answer, and don't offer a judgment of the answer because the point is to lead them into thinking their way through with just a few helpful questions.

The other bad thing that could happen is that in telling someone how they think you could be wrong. Sometimes that make someone explode, but in every case it is received by the person as not only wrong but an attack upon their most inner being. That is why Psychoanalysis rarely works.

The best therapy is often just listening, staying engaged and letting the person know they've been heard, and nothing more. It is simplicity itself and the gift of a true friend.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-17   16:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod, GreyLmist (#20)

People! you've had your fifteen minutes, now go away.

Yeah and that poor baby is going to experience a lifelong series of neglect and abuse; forget the PHOTO-OP in post#3 of the thread; that was for show and tell for about 30 seconds.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-17   16:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo, Lod, GreyLmist (#22)

People! you've had your fifteen minutes, now go away.

Yeah and that poor baby is going to experience a lifelong series of neglect and abuse; forget the PHOTO-OP in post#3 of the thread; that was for show and tell for about 30 seconds.

It may not be ideal, but it is certainly no worse, and likely better, than putting the child in a succession of Foster Homes, medicating them into a haze, and then calling it "good" care.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-17   16:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, 4 (#23)

There are some who should not be allowed to have pets, much less offspring.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-17   16:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lod (#24)

I agree, no argument. The point though is what is the alternative? From what is seeping out about 2/3 of kids put under state care wind up on some form of mind control/mood control Psychotropic medication and/or Ritalin (or its lookalikes).

The care in the current State Run system is no better than what a stray dog receives, if not worse.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-17   16:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#10) (Edited)

Me: Do you believe they'd let her [Cheyenne] go home to parents they think unfit just to get the Oathkeepers out of the way?

You: As Rhodes said, it is a court of publick opinion.... so yes.

What you are essentially saying, then, is that the agency itself is unfit in that it puts its own business interests above the chilldren that it uses to stay funded and in business -- and it is a big business. Isn't that child abuse? Yes, it is and it's also a form of child slavery. What police charges have been filed against these parents to remove 3 children from their home? None that I know of so that amounts to Kidnapping. It's also a violation of the Constitution on several counts, not the least of which is Cruel and Unusual Punishment and without so much as a criminal indictment required. "CPS" denies the accused the right to confront witnesses against them in order to defend themselves. The privacy of accusers is protected by anonymity but some parents aren't even told what they've been accused of, just that they're under investigation by "CPS". There is no due process, no recognition of Parental Rights even to refuse the drugging of their children with Ritilin, etc. Apparently, you condone all of that and you've corroborated none of the claims you've made. All you've done is post a video that shows the only person convicted of violence in this case is the father of Jonathan Irish. Even his anti-2nd Amendment accusations against his son indicates that his son isn't a felon because there are no charges that he's broken any law to acquire guns. It sounds to me like his father is the one who called "CPS" and implicated the Oathkeepers in it. For all you know, he could be trying to ruin them as "payback" for being rejected by Cheyenne's mother. It's possible. The record points to him as an abusive father and so does his loathesome testimonials. He's definitely not the only side to this story:

"Oath Keeper Baby" parents answer critics

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-18   6:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GreyLmist (#26)

It sounds to me like his father is the one who called "CPS" and implicated the Oathkeepers in it.

I hadn't thought of that, but it certainly is possible. In fact, it's more than likely what happened.

Right or wrong, a decent father would not go up to a journalist and spill his guts on how bad a father his own son is, and tell all sorts of lurid stories that will smear his son in the media.

Nope, judging from his words, the man has some issues.

For all you know, he could be trying to ruin them as "payback" for being rejected by Cheyenne's mother. It's possible. The record points to him as an abusive father and so does his loathesome testimonials. He's definitely not the only side to this story:

I didn't know about the abuse from Irish's father. Do you have any info on that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-10-18   6:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: All (#26)

"Oath Keeper Baby" fam shows controversial document (New Hampshire)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-18   7:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#27) (Edited)

I didn't know about the abuse from Irish's father. Do you have any info on that?

Go to 4:49 in the video that buck posted at #18. It mentions that his father was convicted of assaulting him in 1999. That might be a reason, too, why he is trying to use the press to harm and isolate his son for him. I wouldn't take his word for anything about this case.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-18   7:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#25) (Edited)

From what is seeping out about 2/3 of kids put under state care wind up on some form of mind control/mood control Psychotropic medication and/or Ritalin (or its lookalikes).

This is from the Comments section of the YouTube video that buck posted at #18:

"If they get you on [a] drug related to mental illness=there goes your 2nd amendment right. So if they catch this generation comin up America will cease to be what was."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-18   8:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GreyLmist (#30)

there goes your 2nd amendment right

Bullshit ! I know that's what "they'd like to have people believe ... rights must be used to preserve them. They will pass laws, create chaos and even use mind controlled nut-jobs to disarm us. Our mission, should we accept it, is to piss on their graves !

The right to self-defense didn't originate under the CON-sti-stupid ... it is innate, it's an inherent and natural right, psychiatrists be damned !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them".

noone222  posted on  2010-10-18   8:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: noone222 (#31)

it is innate, it's an inherent and natural right

Yes but the point I think the poster was trying to make is that they are drugging children to disarm them as adults if they can get away with it. Maybe they think they'll be too drugged up to complain much that their rights are being infringed. Might be they also intend to weaken our Military strength that way too or supplement their numbers with foreigners because there wouldn't be enough Americans who aren't doped out on Ritilin or whatever.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-18   11:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GreyLmist (#32)

Yes but the point I think the poster was trying to make is that they are drugging children to disarm them as adults if they can get away with it.

I have to agree with you !

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them".

noone222  posted on  2010-10-18   11:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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