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Title: Europe's Revolt of the Pampered
Source: VDARE
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/101014_revolt.htm
Published: Oct 16, 2010
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2010-10-16 14:15:23 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 476
Comments: 31

For the fourth day running, France has been crippled by strikes. Airlines are canceling flights. Travelers making their way to Paris from DeGaulle and Orly face long delays.

Tourists are stranded. The Eiffel Tower was closed. Rail and subway traffic into the city has been curtailed. By shutting down refineries, French oil workers may cause a shutdown of gas stations and force the government to raid the strategic petroleum reserve.

Millions have gone on strike. One in 10 high schools has been closed. Students at secondary schools and universities march beside workers and block entrances to paralyze the educational system.

And what is the cause of this national tantrum?

President Nicolas Sarkozy has moved through the National Assembly and is pushing through the Senate a measure raising the retirement age for state pensions from 60 to 62.

For if France does not raise that retirement age, its social security system will face a $58 billion deficit by 2018. Sarkozy's reform follows his victory in repealing a decade-old Socialist law that mandated the 35-hour workweek in France.

What world, one wonders, are these French living in?

Around 2050, those high school and college students will be near or above today's retirement age of 60. Who do they think is going to pony up for their pensions? Are they not aware of what is coming for France and Europe?

Today, 23 percent of French men and women are 60 or older. That will rise to 33 percent by 2050, when there will be one French worker for each French retiree, if 60 is retained as the age of retirement.

Today, 5.5 percent of French men and women are 80 or older. By 2050, that doubles to 11 percent.

Who do the French strikers think is going to pay the taxes for the medical expenses of this infirm and aged ninth of a nation?

Where the median age of the French is 40, in 2050 it will be 45. But that number disguises a far drearier reality.

Since 1970, the fertility rate of French women has been below the 2.1 children needed to sustain France's population, what demographers call zero population growth. For the next four decades until 2050, the fertility level of French women is projected to remain roughly 15 percent below ZPG.

Yet France's population of 62.6 million is projected to make a healthy leap to 67.7 million. How can a population continue to grow when the birth rate for almost 80 years running to 2050 is below replacement level?

Answer: As the French retire, age and die, France is filling up with immigrants coming to replace the departed and departing French, and the millions of French children who were never born because their potential parents did not want them.

Where are the immigrants coming from?

Some come from Eastern Europe. But more are arriving from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and the former French colonies of the sub-Sahara. Arabs and Africans are populating cities like Marseilles and Grenoble, and filling up the burgeoning banlieues around Paris, where every few years, they go on a tear and burn thousands of cars. For Paris police, the banlieues are off-limits, except when traveling in platoons.

These immigrants do not bring the occupational skills, education or language abilities of French youth. Most will not earn the wages and salaries of native-born French, and thus not contribute the same level of taxes to sustain a welfare state constructed by a Socialist Party that has ruled France on and off for decades.

With the end of the 35-hour workweek and retirement at 60, the peeling back of social welfare benefits granted to the French in the salad days of socialism has only just begun. They can march and protest and strike, but they cannot avert the inevitable.

What is true of France is true of Europe, where not one nation has a fertility rate that will replace its native-born. Among Russians, Ukrainians, Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, the death rate already exceeds the birth rate. These countries have begun to pass away. And their neighbors will follow.

With the financial crisis of 2008-09, followed by the threatened debt default of one or more of the European Union PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain), all of Europe also seems to be slashing defense budgets to save all they can of their welfare states.

Which raises questions we debt-swamped Americans cannot put off forever. Why, 65 years after World War II, are we still defending these nations? When Europe has more wealth, more people and a more lavish welfare state than we do, why should we impose sacrifices on our people to pay for the privilege of defending her people?

Instead of borrowing from Europe to defend Europe, why do we not charge them for providing that protection? If we are going to play Romans, why not demand tribute, as the Romans did?

America is the first empire in history to pay tribute to its satraps.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Th United States is facing these same problems except at a larger level. IMHO that's one of the reasons why the federal government refuses to do anything about illegal immigration. Someone is going to have to pay for the gimmie generation, i.e. baby boomers.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   14:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#1)

Illegals contribute less in taxes than they absorb in social programs, so they aren't our salvation, IMO.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   14:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2) (Edited)

Illegals contribute less in taxes than they absorb in social programs, so they aren't our salvation, IMO.

I never claimed they were our salvation bot. You are the one who supports the party of illegal immigration not I.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   14:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

Anything that tears the European Union apart can only be a good thing I say. lol

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-16   14:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: irishthatcherite (#4)

Anything that tears the European Union apart can only be a good thing I say. lol

I understand what you mean. Everyday that goes by I find myself a bigger supporter of succession. That appears to be the only way to decentralize the power of the two party fraud in Washington DC.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   14:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#5)

I understand what you mean. Everyday that goes by I find myself a bigger supporter of succession secession.

Quick fix.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-16   14:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#6) (Edited)

Quick fix.

Oopss. Thank you for the correction. By the way, what is the HTML code to cross something out like that?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   15:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#3)

No need for name calling, I was polite to you. This is a few years old, but helpful nevertheless. Put this in your back pocket for further reference.

Costs of Illegal Immigration: Illegals Cost Feds $10 Billion a Year; Amnesty Would Nearly Triple Cost

Article from:
U.S. Newswire
Article date:
August 25, 2004

WASHINGTON, Aug. 25 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion.

The study, entitled The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget, will be available on line at http://www.cis.org. Among the findings:

-- Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.

-- Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

-- If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

-- With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments - not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.

-- Amnesty increases costs because illegals would still be largely unskilled, and thus their tax payments would continue to be very modest, but once legalized they would be able to access many more government services.

-- The fact that legal immigrants with little schooling are a fiscal drain on federal coffers does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a drain. Many legal immigrants are highly skilled.

-- Because many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth, barring illegals themselves from federal programs will not significantly reduce costs.

-- Although they create a net drain on the federal government, the average illegal household pays more than $4,200 a year in federal taxes, for a total of nearly $16 billion.

-- However, they impose annual costs of more than $26.3 billion, or about $6,950 per illegal household.

-- About 43 percent, or $7 billion, of the federal taxes illegals pay go to Social Security and Medicare.

-- Employers do not see the costs associated with less-educated immigrant workers because the costs are spread out among all taxpayers.

Why Legalization Is So Costly. Costs rise unavoidably because amnesty will not change the low education levels of illegal aliens or the fact that the American economy offers such workers very limited opportunities, regardless of legal status. The vast majority of illegal aliens will continue to have very low incomes, and make very modest tax payments. However, legal status would allow them to use many more programs. We know that cost would rise dramatically because legal immigrants with the same levels of education make extensive use of public services. Thus, even though we estimate that average tax payments would rise by 77 percent, we also find that costs would rise 117 percent. To understand why this happens it is helpful to consider a program like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which pays cash to low- income workers. Illegals currently account for only 1.5 percent of the program's total costs, but if they were legalized their use of the program would grow tenfold because with legal status they would no longer need stolen or bogus Social Security numbers to get the credit. This dramatic rise in cost is not due to laziness on the part of immigrants. In fact, only those who work receive the EITC. The dramatic rise in costs simply reflects the low educational attainment of illegals and their resulting low incomes.

If Illegals Stay, So Will the Costs. To the extent that policy makers have considered the fiscal costs of illegal immigration, they have generally tried to reduce the costs while allowing illegals to remain. But this strategy has not been effective because the average illegal already receives less than half as much in services from the federal government as do other households. Moreover, many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded American citizenship at birth under current law. Other programs are simply too politically sensitive to cut, such as the Women, Infants and Children nutrition program. And others costs are unavoidable, such as incarcerating illegals who have been convicted of crimes. Conversely, enforcing immigration laws is both popular with voters and administratively more feasible. There are really only two options: either we begin to enforce the law, significantly reducing the number of illegals in the country, or we accept the costs created by the presence of a large pool of unskilled workers.

Results Similar to Other Studies. A 1997 report by the National Research Council (NRC) on the fiscal impact of immigrants concluded that education levels and resulting income is the primary determinant of tax payments and service use, which is also a central finding of this report. The results of this study closely match the findings of a 1998 Urban Institute study. Our estimated average tax payment for illegal households in New York State is almost identical to that of the Urban Institute, when adjusted for inflation. The results of this study are also buttressed by an analysis of illegal alien tax returns done by the Inspector General's Office of the Department of Treasury in 2004, which found that about half had no federal income tax liability, very similar to our findings of 45 percent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   15:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: (#3)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   15:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#3)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   15:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

I have never supported illegal immigration, much less amnesty, so your poor attempt in trying to associate my comments with the two is nothing more than a deflection from the fact that the party you shill for on this site is the leader in trying to pass amnesty.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   15:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

If the Republicrats and Democans do not want amnesty in order to pay for the social programs the greatest parasite generation and baby boomers demand, then why do you suppose they want it?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   15:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

The government is destroying jobs at a rate of 460,000 jobs A MONTH! There is no way this can continue much longer.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-10-16   15:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#11)

Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to associate your comments with anything. My comment was simply an attempt to add to your article. I ended it with, IMO, which should have signaled nothing was personal. As far as me being a shill for the Rs, knock it off. I'm choosing to impede the Marxist-in-Chief with a vote, which isn't to shill since I've haven't asked anyone to follow my lead, nor would I. You have me at a distinct disadvantage since you haven't shared your political strategy with me. Please enlighten me/us how best to stop the Kenyan and his agenda, in your opinion.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   15:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#12)

If the Republicrats and Democans do not want amnesty in order to pay for the social programs the greatest parasite generation and baby boomers demand, then why do you suppose they want it?

Diversity, my friend. Illegal immigration is being brought to us by the same people who, by government force, integrated our schools, neighborhoods, and now nations. This is a sick, anti-White mind set we're up against.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   15:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PaulCJ (#13)

The government is destroying jobs at a rate of 460,000 jobs A MONTH! There is no way this can continue much longer.

Agree. All we can hope for is fiscal sanity from the new members.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   15:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#5)

I understand what you mean. Everyday that goes by I find myself a bigger supporter of succession. That appears to be the only way to decentralize the power of the two party fraud in Washington DC.

Indeed, not to mention the fact the EU Member States were fully independent nation-states to begin with. I notice too that the partisan fraud exists even in countries that have more than two major parties - they just become a cartel of parties.

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-16   15:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to associate your comments with anything. My comment was simply an attempt to add to your article.

It appeared to me that that you were because you originally posted the article to me and then something about Libertarian kooks. If I mistook your meaning then I apologize.

You have me at a distinct disadvantage since you haven't shared your political strategy with me. Please enlighten me/us how best to stop the Kenyan and his agenda, in your opinion.

That's the difference between you and I. I have a distinct set of political beliefs that do not change in accordance with who is in power. I do not throw those beliefs away in order "to win." I do not give a shit about "stopping the Kenyan" because I do not believe that replacing Obama with a Republican is going to change a damn thing for the better. Replacing Daddy Bush with Clinton was a change for the worse. Replacing Clinton with Baby Bush was a change for the worse. Replacing Baby Bush with Obama has been a change for the worse. Considering the candidates running for office, I see no indication that this trend is going to be any different. As a matter of fact, since I am convinced that this is how the two parties motivate their base to vote, as well as how they further their big government agenda, I have every reason to believe that the next Republican will be even worse than Obama.

So I am going to vote for the person(s) who most closely matches my political outlook without giving half a damn who wins. As time goes on either more and more people will wake the fuck up and vote third party or they won't and we will either live in shackles or rise up and overthrow the two party fraud by force.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   15:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

Diversity, my friend. Illegal immigration is being brought to us by the same people who, by government force, integrated our schools, neighborhoods, and now nations. This is a sick, anti-White mind set we're up against.

That's as good as any other opinion I've heard. I sure wish an insider would wise up and shine light on what exactly their game plan is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   16:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: irishthatcherite (#17)

Indeed, not to mention the fact the EU Member States were fully independent nation-states to begin with. I notice too that the partisan fraud exists even in countries that have more than two major parties - they just become a cartel of parties.

If they are like ours, then they are all being funded by the same corporations. That's the way it is here in the states. Corporations in the US hedge their bets by funding both sides.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   16:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)

If they are like ours, then they are all being funded by the same corporations. That's the way it is here in the states. Corporations in the US hedge their bets by funding both sides.

Most likely, particularly in Ireland were we have a long standing economic policy of attracting multinational companies with tax incentives.

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-10-16   16:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#18)

That's the difference between you and I. I have a distinct set of political beliefs that do not change in accordance with who is in power. I do not throw those beliefs away in order "to win."

Well, I did exactly what you're doing for a decade, then I did nothing for the past decade, and now, given new and changing information, I'm going to break my political fast and hope that by throwing a tire strip in front of Obama we'll win some time. Time will tell. Given my political odyssey, I'll say this about politics; never say never and it isn't over until WE say so. That said, we both desire the same end despite approaching it (this cycle) from a different position. Lets ditch the anonymity and keep our powder dry.

Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   16:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

hat said, we both desire the same end despite approaching it (this cycle) from a different position. Lets ditch the anonymity and keep our powder dry.

I think you mean animosity, but your point is well taken. I've known your opinion on this election for quite some time and in respect for you and your opinion, chose not to address it, even when AKA Stone tried to pull you into our arguments. The only reason I brought it up the other day was because I thought you were attacking me for not being willing to vote RP. Therefore I attacked back. Today I was just being a prick when I threw in the bot comment.

After rereading your original post in the thread from the other day, I will admit that I may have misinterpreted your intention. I will drop the animosity between us and not broach the subject anymore. As you say, we both desire the same end, even if we do not agree how to get there.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-10-16   17:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#23)

Yes, animosity. Watching college football & posting is a challenge :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   17:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Jethro Tull, all (#12)

If the Republicrats and Democans do not want amnesty in order to pay for the social programs the greatest parasite generation and baby boomers demand, then why do you suppose they want it?

For the same reason Europe is accepting more immigrants than they can absorb to destabilize the culture in order to make a totalitarian takeover look like a solution.

The point is to create a "Tower of Babel" syndrome with a significant minority speaking another language, bringing a different, less literate, culture, and thus dragging the society down, impovershing it, and making it less resistant to conquest from within.

It is Psychological Warfare being conducted against the American People who have a strong cultural tradition of resistance to tyranny, the Mexicans and South Americans do not have the same tradition.

It is nothing more than creating a division and conquering.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-16   17:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Hook'em Horns!

Root'em Hogs!

And Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Beavvvverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-16   17:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)

Hook'em Horns!

Root'em Hogs!

And Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Beavvvverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes to all, and RETIRE PATERNO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   17:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

...and RETIRE PATERNO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think so? He usually presents a good defense, although he has always been too conservative on offense.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-16   18:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

Looks like the Longhorns are on their way to an upset of Nebraska.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-16   18:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#28)

He's was real sick over the Spring & Summer. A TIA, or multiple TIAs are speculated as the cause. It's bad up here. He isn't engaged. He has another year to go on his contract, but god, I wish he'd bail for the sake of the kids.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-16   18:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Bear Bryant didn't retire until the year before he died. I suspect if what you say is true Paterno may die "in the saddle". I think he's earned it, even if they just push him aside and let him "play" Head Coach one last year.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-16   19:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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