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Title: Will the Federal Reserve Cause a Civil War ?
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URL Source: http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time ... ext-meeting-lead-to-civil-war/
Published: Oct 20, 2010
Author: TIME
Post Date: 2010-10-20 12:41:56 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 117
Comments: 8

Will the Federal Reserve Cause a Civil War?

Posted by Stephen Gandel Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 5:35 pm
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Bernanke critics are on the attack (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

What is the most likely cause today of civil unrest? Immigration. Gay Marriage. Abortion. The Results of Election Day. The Mosque at Ground Zero. Nope.

Try the Federal Reserve. November 3rd is when the Federal Reserve's next policy committee meeting ends, and if you thought this was just another boring money meeting you would be wrong. It could be the most important meeting in Fed history, maybe. The US central bank is expected to announce its next move to boost the faltering economic recovery. To say there has been considerable debate and anxiety among Fed watchers about what the central bank should do would be an understatement. Chairman Ben Bernanke has indicated in recent speeches that the central bank plans to try to drive down already low-interest rates by buying up long-term bonds. A number of people both inside the Fed and out believe this is the wrong move. But one website seems to believe that Ben's plan might actually lead to armed conflict. Last week, the blog, Zerohedge wrote, paraphrasing a top economic forecaster David Rosenberg, that it believed the Fed's plan is not only moronic, but "positions US society one step closer to civil war if not worse." (See photos inside the world of Ben Bernanke)

I'm not sure what "if not worse," is supposed to mean. But, with the Tea Party gaining followers, the idea of civil war over economic issues doesn't seem that far-fetched these days. And Ron Paul definitely thinks the Fed should be ended. In TIME's recently cover story on the militia movement many said these groups are powder kegs looking for a catalyst. So why not a Fed policy committee meeting. Still, I'm not convinced we are headed for Fedamageddon. That being said, the Fed's early November meeting is an important one. Here's why:

Usually, there is generally a consensus about what the Federal Reserve should do. When the economy is weak, the Fed cuts short-term interest rates to spur borrowing and economic activity. When the economy is strong and inflation is rising, it does the opposite. But nearly two years after the Fed cut short-term interest rates to basically zero, more and more economists are questioning whether the US central bank is making the right moves. The economy is still very weak and unemployment seems stubbornly stuck near 10%.

The problem is the Fed only directly sets short-term interest rates. And they are already about as close to zero as you can go. That's why Ben Bernanke has been recently talking about something called "quantitative easing." That's when the Fed basically creates money to buy the long-term bonds that it doesn't directly control, and drive down those interest rates as well. That should further reduce the cost of borrowing for large companies and homeowners. Some people are calling this "QE2" because the Fed made a similar move during the height of the financial crisis when it bought mortgage bonds. (See photos of the Tea Party movement)

Not everyone agrees this is a good move. In fact, a number of presidents of regional Fed banks, not all of which get to vote at Fed policy meetings, have recently come out against Bernanke's plans. Some say it sets bad policy. Others think it will stock inflation, which might be the point. Few, though, have warned of armed conflict. Here's how Zerohedge justifies its prediction of why the Fed's Nov. 3rd meeting will lead to violence:

In a very real sense, Bernanke is throwing Granny and Grandpa down the stairs - on purpose. He is literally threatening those at the lower end of the economic strata, along with all who are retired, with starvation and death, and in a just nation where the rule of law controlled instead of being abused by the kleptocrats he would be facing charges of Seditious Conspiracy, as his policies will inevitably lead to the destruction of our republic.

OK. The idea that Bernanke might kill large swaths of low-income neighborhoods or Florida by his plan to further lower interest rates is a little ridiculous. But there is a point in Zerohedge's crazy. Lower rates do tend to favor borrowers over savers. And the largest borrowers in the country are banks, speculators and large corporations. The largest spenders in our country though tend to be individuals. Consumer spending makes up 70% of the economy. And the vast majority of consumers are on the low-end of the income scale. So I think it is a valid question to ask whether the Fed's desire to drive down interest rates at all costs policy is working. Companies are already borrowing at low rates. They are just not spending. (Read a special report on the financial crisis blame game)

That being said, civil war, probably not. "It is a gross exaggeration," says Allan Meltzer, who is a top Fed historian at Carnegie Mellon. "I cannot recall ever learning about riots or civil war even when the Fed made other mistakes." When I called, David Rosenberg was traveling and couldn't talk, but he did send me a quick e-mail to stress that he has never, ever suggested that any moves the Fed makes will lead to a militia uprising.

Some smart people, though, including Meltzer, it appears, and Rosenberg do think the path of quantitative easing that the Fed looks likely to embark on is the wrong move. John Taylor, a top Fed scholar at Stanford, says eventually you will have to pull the support out, and when you do a year from now when the economy is recovering he thinks it could be quite disruptive. So even if you don't double dip now, you might double dip then. And even if you don't it would make for a slow recovery. Others, such as Raghuram Rajan, who has became famous for warning about the possibility of a financial crisis back in 2005, believe low-interest rates could be creating new bubbles in say gold or commodities.

So it seems clear what the Fed is likely to do. How the economy, the militias and the rest of us react is up in the air. The count down is on. T minus 15 days to Fedamageddon. See you there, hopefully.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

That being said, civil war, probably not. "It is a gross exaggeration," says Allan Meltzer, who is a top Fed historian at Carnegie Mellon.

that's not what he said. He said it "positions US society one step closer to civil war if not worse."

And imo it does just that. It's no "exaggeration".

Now when it comes to who is going to fight who, that's open for debate.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-20   14:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#1)

Now when it comes to who is going to fight who, that's open for debate.

How would you recognize the bad guys or the good guys in a civil war without any method of uniformity in recognition to differentiate between the two groups?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-20   14:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#2)

The way things are now, the only way to recognize the black hats from the white hats is in who is shooting at you at that time and place. Otherwise, I really dont know. That's a very good question. I don't see any answer, yet.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-20   14:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#3)

Well stated. And with that point, we are decades away from any serious, concerted revolution. The problem is organization and without organization, you can't "see the whites of their eyes."

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-20   15:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

I also see the possibility of it organizing very quickly. I need to go back thru history, but our first civil war was organized rather quickly. It built up to that point, true enough, just like we've been building up to it today.

Also the breakup of the old USSR surprised everyone it happened so fast.

I don't know, and that sucks. I hate not knowing.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-10-20   15:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#5)

I need to go back thru history, but our first civil war was organized rather quickly.

Not true. It took years and years for any commitment from so-called patriots within the thirteen colonies to organize any any formidable way, such as the Continental Congress. And the revolution took about eight years to complete; and even after 1783, it was total disarray about a uniform US Government until 1793.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-20   19:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Civil War? No. A Civil War would mean that states would secede, and people would turn against each other, to preserve the Union.

What these assholes are talking about, is a REVOLUTION. One where the people stand against a tyrannical system of governance, and fight against the government and their handlers. IE the banking cartels, the Rothschild Family, IMF, you name it. If that war begins, and I pray it does, with God's help we will be free of them all.

Starting with the treason in Washington, ridding ourselves of that rat's nest will be a boon to freedom. Of course that will have to wait until we burn down the Federal Reserve and IRS buildings.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-10-20   19:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA (#5)

To supplement my perspective about the length of time for any serious organization efforts prior to the Revolution; the population base was only about 2.5M consisting of English and a few others from Europe. Forget the large domesticated slave trade and indigenous Indians being counted.

So, in contemporary America we have a population base of about 320M; that's about 100 times the early 1776 colonial years. And moreover, the ethnic-cultural and social mores are far from "unifying" against an oppressive Washington DC.

America is decades away from any revolution is all I am saying. The best that can be demonstrated is a TEA party, headed by a Zionist PIG begging for more war around the world shackling American taxpayers with more grief and illusion.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-20   20:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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