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Title: Allen West - Too Extreme
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Published: Oct 21, 2010
Author: Ron Klein
Post Date: 2010-10-21 09:13:57 by Flintlock
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yeah, that's really about it except that i'm hoping for the disposal of a record number of incumbents.

Incumbents by 90 per cent or larger, a tenner bet???????????

Once the newbies are given a key to the mens room, they nearly all morph into lifetime professional politicians, EVEN RON PAUL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE...

Death grip on the power of office.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   11:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Klein may be a Zionist too, but I don't see the expenses for the wars being pushed nearly as hard from the left.

Yeah, lets bag this since nothing either of us will say is going to change minds or opinion regarding this election cycle. I will say this about wars. christine once posted a great flow chart regarding them, and under which administration - a D or an R - the war(s) began. maybe she can find it. Also, my first presidential vote was for Nixon who ran as a "end the war with honor" candidate. Vietnam was JFKs & JBJs baby.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   11:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Vietnam was JFKs & JBJs baby.

And today we are holding naval maneuvers with Vietnam as potential allies...against China.

War is a very profitable business.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   12:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And today we are holding naval maneuvers with Vietnam as potential allies...against China.

War is a very profitable business.

You got that right, and that extends back to our Revolution when the French lent us a hand. Let's hop into the real world for a moment; the last guy who hinted at peace from a position of power was JFK. The most recent civilian was a guy named Ritter {sp}? Toss in Cindy Sheehan for comic relief. So, as I see it, the problem is war is in our collective DNA. I have no doubt it will handed down to my children & g'children, as it was to us. How to end the cycle? Isn't that what the trash who surrounds Obama tried to do in the 60s? Well hot damn if the Woodstock generation who now steers the ship hasn't had a collective change of heart. Add to them all the leftist crap who infest our universities - peaceniks turned warmongers. What else to conclude except war is the way things are, the way things were and the way things will be. I don't much like it, but again, my head hurts from banging it against a wall hoping someone will emerge and lead us.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   12:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

my head hurts from banging it against a wall hoping someone will emerge and lead us.

No one in sight.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

www.jaymeblackmon.com/wars-started-under-democrats

Here’s a little insight to those that love to paint Republicans as war mongers. Anyone remember that unpopular little war in Southeast Asia called Vietnam? According to wikipedia, John F. Kennedy (D) escalated our involvement in the Vietnam conflict by committing our armed forces to duty for a war in which we were never attacked. Sounds like some familiar talking points huh? By the time the Vietnam War ended, over 8 million servicemen and women had served. EIGHT MILLION. Over 58,000 were killed and nearly 2,000 missing.

Let’s step back a few years to 1917 when Woodrow Wilson (D) declared war on Germany and marked our entrance into World War I. The USA suffered nearly 117,000 casualties. The US homeland was never attacked, but rather some US merchant ships had been attacked in international waters by Germany. Supposedly that was enough for Wilson to declare war after running a no-war policy to get elected.

Onward to World War II. In 1941, Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) declared war on Japan (and rightly so) after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. So why did we attack Germany, after all – they hadn’t attacked us? The US suffered nearly 417,000 casualties in World War II.

In 1950, Harry S. Truman (D) led the United States into a proxy war against Communist ideals (Soviet Union) via North Korea. The United Nations authorized force under US commanders. Once again, the United States was never attacked and how coincidental that the UN authorized such a measure. The USA lost approximately 390,000 service members in the Korean conflict.

William Jefferson Clinton (D) appointed use of the US military to stop the bloodshed in Yugoslavia which was brokered by NATO. Supposedly there was genocide taking place in Yugoslavia, which was found to be untrue after the war had ended. The USA was never attacked and none of its interests were in jeopardy. Many saw this as a diversion from the Monica Lewinsky scandal to dominate the news cycle. I’d also like to throw in this tidbit for our beloved Human Shield, Sean Penn of Hollywood. President Clinton, “Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation’s wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq’s arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, “You cannot defy the will of the world,” and when I say to him, “You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.” Even Al Gore (D) as Senator ridiculed George H. W. Bush for not taking out Saddam in Operation Desert Storm. Yes, that’s the same guy that called us going into Iraq a miscalculated blunder by George Bush.

The President’s job above all else is to protect the American people, but I guess that’s only true if you’re a Democrat President? High ranking US Senators and Representatives all saw the same intelligence that the President saw and the majority of them voted for the war. Saddam Hussein broke one UN resolution after another with no penalty from the UN and committed PROVEN genocide among his people where he DID have WMDs where he gassed his own people. Where’s the outrage from bleeding heart compassionate liberals? Where’s the outrage when Saddam’s sons both marveled at TORTURING (yes the same torture that almost every liberal on Capitol Hill is against) members of Iraq’s Olympic Team when they failed to medal.

Ok let’s play politics. What if George W. Bush never sent us into the Iraq that Bill Clinton touted as a rogue nation? What if everyone followed Barack Obama’s lead? Let’s say that Saddam Hussein did have WMDs and handed them off to terrorists to use in the form of a suitcase nuke in NYC and scores were killed. What then? Who would be blamed? Not Obama. Don’t be so quick to jump on the Beat-up Bush Bandwagon until you have walked in his shoes.

Operation Iraqi Freedom resulted in just over 4,000 US casualties vs nearly 1 MILLION that were killed in all the other wars combined. Wow, I think I can stop now.

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this isn't the list i had posted before. i couldn't find it and this was written by a Bush acolyte. still, the point is that D politicians are as responsible for the involvement in this country's wars as Rs, if not moreso.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   12:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The people of America no longer enjoy "any" benefit by having a FEDERAL Government. As a matter of fact they've only become addicted to the FEDS because of the continuous beatings and abuses the FEDS serve up.

Whoever said that we are born to be the FEDS butt babies ?

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   12:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now. Instead of the free enterprise system that we once had in this country, today we have a situation where the U.S. government has become the very core of the economy. It is the hub around which everything else in the economy revolves.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118206

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   12:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now.

The U.S. Economy is drowning and the U.S. Govt. is an anchor chained around the people's neck.

The rest of the world is decoupling from America's FEDERAL Fascist-Corporate GOVERNMENT.

It ain't gonna be pretty either.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

America is headed for an unprecedented economic collapse, and the U.S. government is leading the way. If you can get financially independent, now is the time to try to do that, but the reality is that we will all feel massive economic pain when this thing comes crashing down.

This is the last part of http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=118206

and on the mark. It's really sad that so many are reliant upon the FED.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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wudidiz  posted on  2010-10-21   13:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Go to Christine's post at #93 ... I viewed it by clicking on the url there.

"Politics and Religion are the building blocks of slavery and oppression. Greed is the mortar that bonds them" and bankers are the masons with trowels in hand !

noone222  posted on  2010-10-21   13:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   13:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the democrat politicians are every bit the warmongers and every bit in the pocket of Israel as are the republicans. War is the Health of the State. that's the principle they govern by. and, take into consideration this fact.

When you sit down and really analyze it, you quickly realize that there is no way that the U.S. government can be extricated from the U.S. economy now. Instead of the free enterprise system that we once had in this country, today we have a situation where the U.S. government has become the very core of the economy. It is the hub around which everything else in the economy revolves.

none of this is going to change short term, so it simply comes down to some degree of gridlock on issues of lesser importance for this election. i admit that for some, maybe even myself, it might just be a desire to get rid of personalities that are the most despicable to us. and it's never good when either Rs or Ds have control of all branches of government.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   14:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you ever stop to think that the reason why our FedGov has in essence given up on the 2A rights agenda, or perhaps rather the evidence of it, is this militarized domestic police state buildup???

What good is a handgun or shotgun, or even a rifle, if the people armed against you have a hundred times the firepower and infinitely more license to use them?!

Honestly, please answer that, then reconsider your position here!

Eric, it's possible for one, very motivated man to take down an entire precinct in a major city. Not that I know anyone that would, I'm just saying.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   14:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   14:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   14:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   14:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure, and when you sober up, take off the Spiderman leotards, and take a gander through the annuls of history sometime.

LOL

You're rolling off the rails, kiddo. Why don't you stop worrying about ZoG, FoG and SmoG and smell the roses (or in your case the cages THEY are constructing for us :))

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   14:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nor will one emerge in this system.

The one with a slight chance of survival was Traficant, he has gone mute and faded into the woodwork.

No way is the system going to allow itself to be taken down, within or without.

The rule of the gun will come first.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   15:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   15:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But they never installed A, the military on our soil, B, created the DHS/HOSE, C, revoked Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus, D, drafted the Patriot Act, etc., etc., et al., and etc.

you think that republicans did this all on their own? wasn't the PA drafted when clinton was in office? it had been prepared in advance of 9/11 which was a planned event for how long? also, can you elaborate on A?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   15:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The chimperor started the ball rolling with his' it's just a gd piece of paper; this regime has picked up said ball and is running with it very nicely indeed.

The gutless/complicit/corrupt congress goes along with it.

Lod  posted on  2010-10-21   15:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   15:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What I find is funny is JT, Flintlock, and christine's arguments in favor of voting for a clown like West while simultaneously telling me out of the other side that it's all the same as the FedGov acts as one when that's been my primary point forever and a day here.

We all have to do as our conscience dictates.

I did my civic duty for untold years, to no avail.

What is right, the best, or moral becomes meaningless, when the candidates are preselected for you, by the same people.

I use to think the 80 million that did not vote were shirking their duties, however, for whatever reason, the fact they do NOT vote speaks volumes.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   16:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And BTW, I'd like to see you go ask West, and please do, whether he favors the public purchasing the same caliber and magnitude of weaponry that our FedGov has for use against "civil unrest?" Go ahead, ask him and see what he says!

I think the people who support West should ask him if he believes that American citizens have the right to any weapon that any soldier can carry in the field. Of course he will say no (at least I think he will) and that will prove that he is no fan of the second amendment.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   16:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Otherwise, seriously, while I don't give a s**t about myself, I am worried about my kids and the future that they'll have, perhaps without me. That's definitely worth considering

Yes, and consider where we'd all be if we lose the right to communicate freely? As ridiculous as that once sounded to me, the PC code has never been more powerful, and our 1st Amendment right never more endangered.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   16:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   16:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   16:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-10-21   16:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i have to get going here. i'll read your link when i get back.

i was thinking. am i correct when i conclude that you think the Ds are the lesser of the two evils and that your opinion is that we're better off with Ds in control of the house and the presidency?

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   16:46:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have to tell you I feel like banging my head against a commode.

Relax comrade. #1, the Ds could still pull it out. #2, if we get gridlock, Obama the commie coon just might be slowed down, and #3, should the Rs take the House, whites will be vilified as racists which always delights me because each time the insult is hurled, it becomes less potent thus causing more dopey whites to wake up. I simply don't get why you give a flying fig about how I'm planning to spend 5 minutes of my time on 11/2. It's my business, just as what you do is your business. If I'm right, you lose nothing since your Doom & Gloom flag is waving on high. If I'm wrong, it does nothing to halt the progress of those wicked imps I'm suppose to fear from the dreaded FedGov. As I said previously, f**k 'em and the Black suburban they rode in on.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-10-21   16:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It had to be sold to the American People christine

another quick response...Obama - the Nobel Peace Prize recipient. look at the conflicts he's escalating - the good little puppet boy..so we have all the same shit as we had with bush plus lots more of leftist shit including multiculturalism and political correctness gone wild along with it.

christine  posted on  2010-10-21   17:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, Obama is worse than Bush. I used to think that whatever president we had been saddled with that it couldn't get any worse. The next (s)election just about invariably proved me wrong, they get worse every time. While I thought we had surely hit the bottom of the barrel with Bush it seems that Obama knocked the bottom out of the barrel and Congress threw him a shovel and he started digging. Only actual work he's done in his life is destroying America.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-10-21   17:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The next (s)election just about invariably proved me wrong, they get worse every time.

To my recall, Bush Jr. presided over more laws being enacted to enchain American citizens than any other of my time. All in the name of "security" of course and Americans accepted them without a whimper.

I do NOT recall in my time a President that actually sought a smaller government. As for the most inept President, the laurels go to Obama, a man totally in over his head, made president solely because he is black.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-10-21   17:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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